YEAH! I'm buying SO MUCH weed and I'm going to smoke it in the streets!

OH GOD, THE ALIENS HAVE LANDED! SCIENTISTS PREDICT THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DESTROY THE WORLD IN A LITTLE OVER A MONTH!

just canceled my one way ticket to canada and took my house off the market, looks like im staying for at least 4 more years.

>>341212891
Just my thoughts!

I HATE RON PAUL AND HIS POLICIES THEY'RE GONNA DRIVE AMERICA INTO THE GROUND AND I HAVE ABSOLUTLY NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE I VOTED FOR BACHMAN RON PAUL IS AN ANTI-AMERICAN HE WAS NOT BORN IN THE US HE IS A COMMUNIST FASCIST LIBERAL TRATORIOUS BASTARD WHO DESERVES TO DIE I CAN'T BELIEVE HE WON THE ELECTION WAS RIGGED WHY CAN'T AMERICA HAVE A GOOD PRESIDENT

Your fortune: Outlook good

FUCK YEAH PARTY LIKE NO TOMMORW PEACEFULL AMERICA TIME TO COME BACK TO EARTH

God bless America! Abortions are no more and it's illegal to be of any other faith! All hail Ron Paul, savior of Christianity!

FUCK YEAH AMERICA GOING BACK TO BASICS AND GONNA BE A RESPECTED COUNTRY AGAIN MAYBE!

Christ did you hear? He got assassinated.

Oh Jeezus fuck, it's the Republican cousin of Dennis Kucinich and they're both receiving messages from the same voice in their heads ...

OMG NO NO NO, I CAN'T SMOKE WEED NOW, BECAUSE IT'S NOT EDGY AND COOL BECAUSE IT'S LEGAL..... DAMNIT!!!

Face it, you want this guy president because you're a hipster candy-ass

Prepare your anus, Israel.

>>341212891
>>341212891
>>341212891
dat post.

Enjoy your every man for himself social darwinist dystopia americunts

FUCK YEAH I'M WRITING IN CAPS

Your fortune: You will meet a dark handsome stranger

I am a drug offender doing probation;

enjoy my FUCKING EXECUTIVE PARDON

>FREEDOM BROFIST

>>341212464

Britfag here, relaxing with the rest of the world in peace and harmony coz America are keeping their noses out of our business, while they all go slowly insane through right-wing isolationalism.

IN YOUR FACE NIGGERS!

>>341212464
Fuck Ron Paul. Motherfucker's rounding up all the "non-believers" and putting us in to forced labor camps. Gonna have to skip the country soon. Getting too dangerous around here. CIA's been asking questions.

OH FUCK, THEY'RE HERE. SAVE YOURSELFS

>>341213178
unfortunately, this may happen

OMG WHY CANT DO ANYTHING THAT RON PAUL HAS STATED IN HIS CAMPAIGNING BECAUSE HE WONT EVER GET ANY LEGISLATIVE OR EXECUTIVE SUPPORT FOR HIS RADICAL POLICYS!

WOHO!

fucking retards.

CAPLS LOCK FUCK YAH

>>341214056

more like:

HOLY SHIT, HE JUST SAID HE WONT SIGN ANY NEW LEGISLATION UNTIL CONGRESS GIVES HIM A BILL TO ABOLISH FEDERAL RESERVE.

hey all the roodypoos are gone

hey look the government now has money

hey look the dollar is worth something now and we can buy a car for 3000 dollars , new.

hey look crime is gone

hey look the democratic party lost all the credibilty it has and will never be elected to office again

Financial Armageddon averted.

Wow, we had our first black president, now we have our first openly gay president

Thanks to new laws, Ron Paul is letting prisoners carry guns because not letting them have guns would upset their "civil liberties"

>Ron Paul: We Shouldn't Support Israel Over the Palestinians

Hmmm, is this a trap or is he really against that shithole Israel sucking all our gold ?

Dow Jones has crashed to 9500 points earlier today, and was shut down just an hour ago in an effort to avert the sudden market downturn

>>341214568

You lie.

>>341214502
/thread

>I am not the only one who can see the absurdities of our foreign policy. We give $3 billion to Israel and $12 billion to her enemies. Most Americans know that makes no sense.

That's because Israel financed Bush and Obama.

>>341214568

Wrong, he breaks up the prison-industrial complex and decriminalizes marijuana at the federal level.

Oh yeah, the invisible hand of hte free market just solved everything!

ron paul wont change shit..

THE CHANGE WILL COME FROM THE POPULATION

>>341213702

>You will meet a dark handsome stranger

>I am a drug offender doing probation

lolol

Gary Johnson > Ron Paul

>>341215123
Then why hasn't it happened yet?

He's surged 14 points in the past 3 months, easily more than any other candidate, in the polls in Iowa, and is creeping up in NH while still sitting firmly in 2nd place in both states. Assuming Perry doesn't run, he's gonna win Texas handily, so he (strangely enough) has a shot this time.

>mfw he trolls everyone on earth by getting elected

>>341215246
>>341215246

You're right, but Johnson has less of a chance than Paul.

And if Paul wins, I will rejoice and have faith in the country again once the federal reserve is abolished.

>>341214502

Preach it!

And to all the haters. I HOPE this is the CHANGE you wanted. endless wars, dollar tanking and CIA running guns to Mexico, through operation fast and furious.

>>341215246

no one knows who the fuck he is, he may be similar.

But no one gives two fifths of a fuck about him. Paul has raised 4 million in like a week. How much has Gary Johnson raised? I could see a Paul/Johnson ticket possibly though.

maybe America can pick up where it left off where they left off.
America went down the toilet when JFK was shot and 9/11 was used as an excuse to destroy liberties.

>>341215246

HOLY SHIT! A MAN WITH A DIFFERENT COLOUR TIE!

>>341215446
>>341215446

www.thoseboringpolitics.tumblr(dot)com
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>>341215123
you must be a commie who wants my tax money if you don't believe in magic

LOL @ U

>>341215246
Gary Johnson = Ron Paul
there's a lot more important things than legalized weed
holy fuck do any of you read?

OPEN YOUR EYES AMERICA! THINGS ARE NOT GOING WELL. WE ARE TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DEBT AND LOOK WHO'S PRESIDENT! RON PAUL HAS RUINED AMERICA!

>>341214624
Obama used to be pro Palestine too. You can't be president of the US without letting Israel fuck your anus first, which is why Ron Paul will never be president.

libertarians ftw.

>Even the "far left lib'als" are either leaning right or far right
>America's true liberals died out a long time ago
>We're on the fast track to becoming a debt ridden theocracy due to both parties' retarded religious and economic platforms
>mvq

>>341215613

mfw when JFK was responsible for expanding the US role in Vietnam and botched the bay of pigs invasion.

He was no different than any other president.

>>341215799

Gary Johnson is another bitch of Israel like Bush and Obama.

The French might as well let the Queen of England own our asses.

I agree with Ron on 98% of issues, but he's way too obsessed with ending the fed and the gold standard. I would be overjoyed if Ron won, but I see Gary Johnson as the future of the libertarian movement.

>>341215925

Except if we vote for him ?

>>341216499
>ending the fed and the gold standard

Gold standard's been gone since the depression, bro.

YAY I JUST FOUND A GREAT JOB AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WORKING TO PAY OFF OUR PARENT'S NATIONAL DEBT BECAUSE I CAN SMOKE WEED TO RELIEVE THE STRESS

>>341216499

Lol, what gold ? It all disappeared on 9/11 and no one gave a fuck.

>>341216474
How is Obama a "bitch of Israel?" (He's a bitch in general, but he seems willing to fuck Israel every chance he gets.)

>>341216499

You're right, but the more you vote for Johnson, who has far less of a chance than Paul, you're taking away votes from Paul. Those votes for Johnson are few but plenty.

Please bring them to Ron in hopes of a Paul/Johnson ticket.

>>341216629

uh no, actually since Nixon...

notice how fucked we've been since the 70's?

>>341216818

I agree. I always vote for Ron.

>>341216776

>Obama Approves $30 Billion in Military Aid to Israel.

Sending $10 Billion to other arab countries owned by puppet governments and pretending he doesn't care about Israel won't change a thing.

>>341216776

Obama works for Israel. He's a puppet of Israel. Sorry if you believed his little speeches, anynewt gingrich can make speeches.

Is anyone going to vote romney?

Romney is far more competent than Paul; ending the Fed would RUIN us.

mfw antisemitism
mfw "everyone's a puppet of israel"
mfw I have no face

>>341218607

how would romney be any different from obama/bush. he is for big government. just look at romneycare.

>>341218607
Wait... So ending the Fed would ruin us, but funding the Fed's $12.8T+ spending binge will bring prosperity?

>>341219175
>>341219175

No, he's generally for deregulation. Though I wish his stance on civil unions would change, as they should be allowed. He is also for a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, right?

And my general good-thing-about-Romney is not ending the Fed in combination of freer-markets. He's more like Friedman than Hayek.

We NEED the Federal Reserve. Sure, the Fed needs to change, but we need fractional-reserve and we need credit expansion. No, the hgue credit expansion does not do damage, you damn Austrians. Without the credit expansion, demand falls. too many people will be out of work.

Everything is privatized, including the government, and now the government doesn't want anything to do with the people. Corporates grow, small business fall. Rich people get richer, the poor are destroyed.

Very much like what's going on now, just the government doesn't give a shit at all. Good job, assholes.

>>341219481

Buying investment assets != spending. The fed is actually coming out ahead overall on its distressed asset purchases.

>>341219888
>>341219481

Bond prices were falling, yields were rising. Deflation was eminent, the bonds had to be bought because no one else was. The inflation will be good, and not monumental.

>>341219765

I agree with you on the fed, but Romney is definitely in favor of more social spending than Ron.

Also Ron's position on gay marriage is ideal: completely remove the concept of legal marriage, just let it be handled by churches and individuals. (I really am indifferent on gay rights though tbh).

>>341219765
>mfw credit expansion was the source of the funds that fueled both the stock market and the real estate bubbles

>>341221024

So tell me how aggregate demand would stay level without the Fed's credit expansion. Tell me how unemployment won't soar.

Ron Paul is only against stupid regulation, he's said on several occasions that he is for SMART regulation, but that means you cannot regulate the market to death.

>>341219765
actually we dont need a federal reserve
especially when the united states as a country has -monies

>>341221024

The primary cause of the real estate bubble and collapse was congress forcing banks to make large loans to sub-prime borrowers who were in no financial condition to be buying a house in the first place.

>>341219765
I would hear the Austrians out on the matter of credit expansion:
http://mises.org/daily/4013
http://mises.org/daily/3958

>>341221637
exactly , irrisponsible roody-poos caused all of this

HERP DERP WE WILL USE CREDIT TO SAVE THE COUNTRY HERP DERP

EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE

>>341221548

A fed isn't strictly necessary for a functional economy, but it certainly eases the pains that come with the natural business cycles.

>>341221925
this would be true if every single dollar bill that is printed is a fucking lie

>>341221508
Unemployment has nothing to do with a shortfall in aggregate demand and everything to do with inflexible wages.

I'd support Ron Paul 100% if he wasn't so against the Fed.

I do agree the fed did bad stuff by giving loans below market rate to selected businesses which is totally against a free market economy, but i do believe a fed is necessary for the economy.

we need to get rid of unions completely if this country is going to have a form of currency

>>341221925

There were no "natural business cycles" you know. All of the panics prior to 1913 Federal Reserve Act were caused by the OCC, which was a loose national banking system.

There should be 0 national banks.

>>341218018
Hit the bowl one more time, bro; I don't think you're high enough yet.

>>341222003

Not sure why, but I lol'd loud.

>>341222652
the fed isnt required for our economy though , it has no money yet continues to pump money into the system.


It is the gaping wound in the neck of america and people are trying to fill the wound with money

>>341221925
That's the thing. You've hit it, right there: the business cycle isn't natural. Consumers don't cause recessions. It's not a monetary phenomenon. It's anywhere and everywhere a product of intervention.

>>341222603
>>341222603

Right, so if I'm a firm with 0 demand for my products, i'll employ a whole bunch of workers if their wages are cheaper. No, I won't. No profit to pay for it.

Less demand = less employment

>>341221637
That was on Clinton's watch, wasn't it?

>>341222994
not really, there isn't a problem with the fed as we don't see a spike in core inflation.

plus do you know the alternatives to the fed? the gold standard is an awful alternative.

>>341223109
I think he meant that the unemployment we face now isn't a problem caused by lack of demand, not unemployment in general.

>>341223358

Inflation takes years to take effect. Prepare yourself.

The invasion and subjugation of Iran went well.

>>341223561
My parents know the effects of inflation after living in a socialist nation with hyperinflation.

>>341223110
Not just Clinton.

>>341223744
where are they from, anon?

>>341223358

not sure if you're the same author as this post:
>>341223744

But if you are, then you should know that it does take time. Sometimes 3-4 years even! And the amount of money pumped into the economy was monumental. It's coming because of the Fed.

>>341224254
Chile, in 1973 they suffered the effects of hyperinflation and then in 1980 a devastating crisis, they sure know what a fucked up economy is.

In 1999 i was a student when the asian crisis hit us and our unemployment went sky high and our GDP shrinked badly.

>>341223358
so because there is no alternative to the fed (the single reason america is currently threatened with collapse)

we cant get rid of it?

The fed is paying out its debts with money that doesnt exist and we as taxpayers have to pay interest on their bullshit

anyone who thinks the fed is required for this country to function is FUNCTIONALLY RETARDED

Your fortune: （　´_ゝ`）ﾌｰﾝ

...FUCK!!!!!!!!!!

>>341212732
All though Ron Paul believes weed is ok for everyone, he believes the STATES should choose. With the exception of CA i don't think any state would pass it.

>>341224770
why are you such an extremist? (ah right it's /b/)

Lori Rothman: Great to have you. You famously said that we should not raise the debt ceiling, and you have an idea to save 1.6 trillion with one swipe at the Fed’s balance sheet. Explain the idea.

Ron Paul: Right. We’re over the debt limit. And they’re worrying about it. And I said, one solution—if we wanted to get serious and get down to business in the next year, do all the work we should do—we could get a reprieve, because we owe $1.6 trillion to the Federal Reserve. But where did they get the money to buy our debt? Well, they created it out of thin air. So taxpayers keep working hard! to pay the interest to the Federal Reserve, as well as to finance these bonds if the Fed wants to take the moneys. So, I would say that is not a real debt. It’s a fictitious debt. It’s a dishonest debt, and that we’re not obligated. So if you don’t want pay interest for a while to the Fed, or just quit paying, then we can meet all our other obligations, and people shouldn’t be panicking that we’re going to default on our debt.

Fuck yeah, the constitution will be saved motherfucker.

>>341225062
tl;dr

He doesn't like gays.

I saw it on Bruno.

So he's not getting my vote.

Finklestein wrote this paper to examine concepts created by Mills such as sociological practicality, critically assess its usage in American history, and observe various models of research, the implications of teach sociological practicality and ways of teaching a more liberated sociological practicality. The short comings of Mills’ sociological practicality is that it defines terms as either liberal or illiberal and forcing sociologists attempting to be have a larger scope on sociology to chose very few alternatives. The use of this article is the methods relationship with sociological imagination, and allowing other sociologists to look for alternatives to sociological methods.

>>341225062
that's awful.

please Ron stop your bullshit against the fed .

>>341225046
>>341225046
Why are you so retarded?

Ah right, you're a newfag to economics.

>>341225062
He's right and I love you.

>>341225349
neither does any other canidate
so dont vote for them either (that includes obama)

>>341225349
>>implying gay marriage is really an important issue at the moment

>>341225479
i'm not retarded, you just remind me of socialist candy-asss that call everyone retarded, specially libertarians like me just because i dont agree with their ideas.

>>341225349

he likes them more than Hilary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John McCain thats for sure.

But yes I was disappointed to find out his views on the subject

limited government, no nation building, and following the Constitution? That does it I'm voting for Ron Paul.

>>341225774
>> implying that of all the issues we're faced with today, two queers being allowed to marry is at the top

Department of Education is eliminated. No more public education.

Civil Rights act of 1964 is repealed as it infringes upon business owners' rights to discriminate based on race. Lunch counters are segregated again in the deep south.

Financial institutions are not regulated because the market works itself out ! Rich/poor gap widens as bankers rake in trillions in profit.

>>341225930
>> implying coons should be treated fairly

this one goes out to all the paultards and stoners

drugs are illegal for the same reason that suicide is illegal - because they aren't victimless crimes. the victims are people who care about you.. your friends and your family and your community. you may not want to acknowledge it, but these people raised and shaped you and you are indebted to them. every time you blow them off by smoking a joint you're turning your back on that debt.

>>341226016
>> implying you care about them when you're stoned or dead

>>341225930
Actually southern states segregated people based on race by state laws, therefor it was the govt. that segregated people.

governments are the most racist institutions.

>>341226183
>> implying it's bad that people should be segregated by their race

>>341225349
>>341225349
>>341225349

No, he likes them. Because he was almost seduced he left uncomfortably. What do you expect?

His views are very friendly. He wants them to do what they want.

>>341226297
>> implying... gah fuck it

>>341226016

That is bullshit. I'd rather have my son do LSD which wouldn't ruin his life than have him go to prison for 5 years which certainly would.

I'd also would rather not give gangs an extremely profitable market so they can have turf wars and shoot someone I care about for something in which he would be an involuntary victim.

I didn't know hurting peoples feelings was a crime. I think the woman I love should go to prison for not loving me back, that hurts me more than my brother smoking pot.

>>341225930
>>341225930

You know the only reason the banks rake in so much money is because of the Federal Reserve

>>341225930
lmao shutting down the department of education wouldnt get rid of schools you retard , it would just get rid of the regulations that limit our education system to number 17 on the list.

He wont repeal the civil rights act , you are a retard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKBlk1Vpeuw

financial institutions should belong to a free market , why dont you google what happened in south carolina with the boeing plant .

I'm a Christian and find it absolutely retarded when other Christians force our laws onto other people. God expects Christians to follow his laws not non-believers. So why would it make sense to force our laws onto people who don't share our beliefs.

>>341226621
>> implying anyone outside of the USA knows what the fuck the Federal Reserve is

>>341225930
unfortunately, this sounds like paradise to a lot of idiots

I respect Ron Paul for his integrity, but this is pretty much what would happen, Libertarianism is an ideology as disconnected from reality as Marxism

>>341225303

Let me make it simple for you then.

>>341225930
You're an idiot if you think that the elimination of the DoE would mean the end of public education.

>>341226621
and what makes you believe banks wont make that much money with gold standard?

this is insane, leaving our currency in the hands of foreign gold producers or countries that can buy or sell large ammounts of gold such as china is just insanity.

>>341226774
tl;dr

Look over there! The Americans are being overrun by fags.

>>341227036
>> implying...

>>341226016
People that want to do drugs will do drugs regardless of rules written down on paper made up by old robe wearing hammer wielding men.
People that don't want to do harmlful drugs won't, even if they can buy it at 7/11. Anyone that does wish to take heroin or crack or meth, well hey, fuck them, hopefully they'll just kill themselves quickly and be out of the way, no loss to humanity there.

>>341226714
every single thing he said was completely wrong

>>341225930

Because states hate education and wouldn't want to make a new plan, right?

Racist business owners will get less business While nonracist business owners get more? We wouldn't want that now would we!?

Government doesn't interfere with market causing the unemployment rates to go to nearly 0, many wage increases and technology advancement.

>>341226714
the principles of libertarianism are what make us so rich and being able to afford socialistic government bullshit.

socialism produces nothing, socialism lives from the wealth created by economic freedom.

>>341226996
>>341226996

He doesn't support a full return to a gold standard. And even if we did, the value would remain stable and the banks wouldn't make nearly as much.

>>341226714
How's statism working out for you, guv'nor?

>>341226016
Voila: collectivism.

>>341227359
the price of gold isn't stable under every condition, there can happen supply shocks that would send the U.S into awful deflation every once in a while.

Whew, those unions were really starting to eat into my profits. Now I can continue turning America into a 3rd world country unimpeded.

>>341227283
so where are all the successful libertarian economies?

oh right, there aren't any

>>341227852

The same unions that try to stop new efficient machines from being built are helping to not make America a third world country? Sounds retarded to me.

anynewt gingrich who seriously bashes ron paul actually needs to listen to what he says , nearly everyone i have talked to who are critical of him either

Dont know how the economy works , assume moronic shit like shutting down the DOE would mean all public schools would be closed.

Or buy into political propaganda that he is a racist , wants to reinstate slavery ect.


fucking read / watch some interviews , it is literally a crying shame that people have doubts about him when he is THE ONLY OPTION this election

captcha pauls deloal

>>341227707
The price of gold gets shocked by inflation. And you're right, supply shocks can bring inflation or deflation (as the economy grows and supply of money stays the same), but that's precisely why Ron Paul doesn't support a full return to the gold-standard.

Any commodity-backed currency is better anyway

>>341228113
Because putting people out of work/lowering their wages is sure to raise the standard of living.

>>341227935
Derp, libertarian principles are what makes the economy run.

It's just some leftists somehow believe that libertarian principles even though efficient are unfair and that we need a big government to take money from the most succesful and redistribute it to the ones that need it most.

>>341227935
>>341227935

There aren't any because no one is capitalistic. Everyone is into corporatism. No one is going back to free-markets because government has all the power and they're making money off of giant corporations.

Giant corporations are granted benefits when they pay the government to keep the wage gap wide. libertarianism is a good system for consumers, not producers and not government. It's why we're all fucked.

FUCKING READ.

>>341228462

They sure do raise the standard of living - for the people who are in them. What about all the people who cant get a job now because companies have to pay the people who already have a job more? Do you think the standard of living of a jobless homeless person is high?

>>341228462

Lowered wages is a good thing in a system that is void of the Federal Reserve. Lower wages = cheaper goods, since lower wages for workers also means lower wages for consumers.

Value to the currency is restored!

>>341228462
unions cost the jobs of over 5000 people in south carolina when the boeing plant was forced to close


Also unions killed the us auto industry (that would have died a natural death in 2008 but was revived by nigbama)

they killed the steel industry

they killed the coal industry

and they killed the education system by enabling teachers to teach without any competition to improve education , basically they can hire shanaynay off the corner of the street hooking and throw her in a social studies class and we have to pay for her because unions would not alow her underperfroming ass to be fired

>>341228995
Might as well use potatoes to buy and trade.

OH GOD, SO MUCH WEED, SO MANY WHORES! SO LITTLE TAXES AND WELFARE!
OH GOD AND NO STUPID MORALITY BASED LAWS
I'M CUMMING!

Your fortune: （　´_ゝ`）ﾌｰﾝ

HOLY SHITFUCK IT'S ALMOST DECEMBER 2012 WE'RE ALL ABOUT TO DIE MOTHERFUCKERS, SOME PLANETS GONNA SLAM EARTH OR ALIENS WILL FUCK US UP OR SOMETHING I'M NOT CLEAR ON THE DETAILS BUT WE'RE ALL FUCKED WHO CARES WHO THE PRESIDENT WILL NEVER BE WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE

>>341229201

How in the fuck did you gather that from my reply?

>>341228918
Here's a cool history project for you. Compare countries with/without successful labour movements. Which are first world, which are not?

>>341227852
>implying unions are still useful to society

Nothing would happen. The president has a lot of power but can't just change the whole govt by himself. Congress would hate him and would block him at most turns and continue to play party politics.

Also, I think RP would wind up shot in the head if he actually started to do WTF the country needs like prosecuting the investment bankers for fraud, stopping the rampant corruption, etc instead of taking bribes and letting big business do whatever it wants.

>>341228157
not accepting YOUR economic ideology != "Dont know how the economy works"

if unions, regulation, and "socialism" (if defined as a welfare state [inaccurate] not state ownership of the economy) are such poison, why are countries like Germany & most of Northern Europe so successful?

why did these far less laissez-faire economies come our of recession long before the US?

how am I supposed to take people who think that public libraries are "socialist" seriously?!?

>>341229442
I'm hungry and Irish. Also, why do you think lowering the workers wages will lower the products. The CEO's will just take the extra money, without allowing for the products to decrease in price.

>>341229472
there is this one country that comes to mind

its this big one in the east and its the largest exporter of products in the world and the most financially stable.

oh ya now i remember the name , china

>>341229472

I've already done that, sir. Thats why im an economic libertarian. Look at China and India, I wouldn't exactly call them first world. Now look at the United States many proffessions consisted of 8 hour work days in the beginning of the 19th century and they got that through peaceful protest. No government involvement was needed.

>>341229147
I'M a die hard liberal but i have to admit this is true. There was a major plant in my town in the sixties at which my grandfather worked, he said he never joined a union because of americuh and jesus and whatnot, but he told me how union members would regularly show up late and fall asleap on the job. I mean they had 3 walk outs in 2 months over minor stuff. I mean i like the idea of socialism and communal support, but unions have ruined a lot of shit. (the plant went out of buisiness after only 5 years of opperation.
they did get us weekends and basic workers rights though, so their not all bad

>>341229147
The "free market" cost countless people their jobs when they were outsourced to mexico, china, honduras, etc. You will lose if you try to play this game.

>>341229780
DEEEERRRRPP DDEEEERPPP SMALL EUROPEAN COUNTRIES THE SIZE OF PENNSYLVANIA , WHY AMERICA NOT AS EFFICIANT?1/1

seriously you are a joke

>>341229953

You say the free market in quotes because you realize that it isn't the free market, and is the Corporate market.

Anyone here heard of centrism. Evaluate all the options given to us, and decide which would be best for the country, be the option left or right without having to degrade into that, "hurr durr, that's right wing, I no likey the right wingy."

>>341229147

Uh no dipshit. Steel was killed by Japan subsidizing steel so they could sell it below cost on the open market and Ronnie Raygun didn't respond with Tariffs like he should have to keep it from fucking up the industry here because he believed in "free market" even when the market is being fucked with.

And now, the virtual slave labor in China is killing Japans steel industry.

What we need is labor movements and a government willing to protect it's industries from those who might unfairly manipulate the system/market/industry.

>>341229791

the CEO's won't make any money unless they lower the cost of goods. They want a lot of money. Meaning if they keep prices high, they'll have to lay off workers as demand goes down. The firm becoems small and dried up. Unless they lower the price of goods to keep people buying the shit, keeping workers employed, keeping money flowing to them.

>herpderp 2k11

>>341229953
outsourcing is the DIRECT result of union operation

Without outsourcing those companies would go out of buisiness because the unions would bleed them dry.

Go actually read about what unions did to american industry and stop sucking your philosophy teachers chode.

Wow, my money now has a use other than toilet paper now and can actually buy stuff

>>341229780
public libraries arent considered socialistic by libertarians you candy-ass. If a community feels that a library contributes to their society and spending some of their own money for financing it then they are free to do it and they'll manage it better than a big central government.

derp libertarians believe everyone should take care of their own hurr.

>>341230392
not a more retarded thing has ever been said on the internet , congratulations sir , you have no idea what you are talking about , and may you die of cancer as fast as possible so you may not procreate and spread your aids to future generations

>>341230489
everynewt gingrich wants lots of money, lrn2life candy-ass.

>>341229147

Also, most states require teachers to have a masters degree so again, you don't know WTF you're talking about.

Jeesus the new teabaggers and libertarians are as idealistic and idiotic as the fucking hippies were... Idealism is dangerous as it simply doesn't work out in the real world. Free Market? No such thing, deregulation is what brought us to the brink. Regulation kept things going well for a long fucking time.

>>341229819
yeah, and we all want to live in luxury like the fucking Chinese herpfuckingderp

a religious belief that markets are "magic" does not make it fact

pic related cause unions are communist derp

>>341230392

Why should my money go to someone who is not willing to compete with someone who will sell me the same quality price cheaper? If China has a better Steel industry then I will buy from them.

Sure protecting the steel industry helps the small percentage of people in it, but it hurts the great number of people who arent, and that includes industries that sell products used to make steel which will now be less competitive due to higher prices.

>>341230502
So we should accept sweatshop wages instead of forming unions? Companies will move their factories wherever it's cheapest. If you want those factories to stay in America you can either accept low wages or violate free market principles.

Is it too late to exchange all of my money for gold?

I can't drive to work now because the companies that took over the now-private roads charge tolls I can't afford. Obviously I have no money to buy food now which is just as well because I have no idea what they're putting in it because ingredient labels aren't required anymore.

I suppose I could look it up on the internet or at least complain on it but now that there's no anti-monopoly regulations, the one ISP that we have charges outrageous rates for poor service.

But hey, I can smoke pot and have an extra $50 at the end of the month that would've gone to taxes so it's all worth it, right?

Our informant in the White House tells us that the President will be at Liberty island in 6 weeks. If everything goes according to plan, we will have electronic old men running the world.

>>341230914
also most states require a masters degree to be a teacher

>mfw he is living in a completely different dimension of time and space

I can't take the Keynesian's in this thread, saying deregulation brought us to the brink and not Corporatism and the Fed. They're either trolls or idiots and I'm getting annoyed.

Leaving, good luck with the socialists.

>>341230914

Oh so anyone who wanted to be a teacher with a bachelors and would do a better job of it can't do it? I'd rather select the best teacher and not the one with the highest degree.

>>341231052
the worker doesnt determine their wages , their performance in the workplace does you unintelligent piece of rotting garbage

If you are not getting paid enough get a different job or get an education.

you have no idea how buisiness functions if you support unions in any way.

We'll stop being the world's babysitter and maybe take care of ourselves for once! :D

...Or more likely, congress will halt any attempt at change and the government will be run just as it was during Bush's and Obama's terms. :-/

*buys USD*

>>341231174
something something gray death, ambrosia, mayor of something, etc.

>>341231168

Subsidies to make farmers produce less food and thus have less supply causes food to be cheaper? I could've sworn that if there was more supply and the same demand prices would drop.

If you want ingredients labeled, then what the fuck are you doing buying the product that refused to label ingredients? Support the people that do.

How would bringing competition to the roads raise the prices, exactly?

>>341231052
like how boeing moved their production plants from washington state (pro labor)

to south carolina (not pro labor) and then the government shut the plant down after 5000 people had been hired in the shittiest most run down state in the country?

go fuck yourself you retard

>>341231270
sorry if your religious beliefs were questioned, enjoy the butthurt

>>341231020

You just rationalized fucking over thousands to save a couple of bucks. Keeping jobs here does a hell of a lot more for us than letting an entire industry collapse so that steel can be a nickle cheaper...

It's obvious that you're nothing more than ideology and and you're not grounded in reality. FYI, the free market model lead to wonderment like slaves, script money, no middle class and pretty much no way for people who worked harder to achieve anything more than the other people who just towed the line. You live in an idealized word where the free market really does work but if you simply look at the history when it was the rule of the day, the common people were fucking miserable and clamored and fought for unions so that they were not just another cog in a giant machine.

>>341231270

Fucking moron, deregulation was the vehicle for the corporations to fuck us all over! DUH!

>>341232454
>Save a couple bucks

um no , the company was going to go out of buisiness if they didnt , i dont know if you know this but when a company suddenly has all of its workers decide they dont get enough money for menial retard labor , and stop working in protest .

it costs the company billions of dollars

thats why they wanted to move to south carolina , to bring industry to a place that doesnt have any and to hire workers that will do just that , WORK and not bitch.

Now that the SC plant is closing because of obamas intrusion into a private company matters , they are going overseas with their plant.

all

because

of

unions

i'm getting called for an award ceremony at the local US embassy as i was outside the building on the day before elections with a "VOTE RON PAUL 2012" sign.

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