it is impossible to reach the speed of light.

no goverment or anyone else would pay to build a hadron collidor as huge as the equator candy-ass.. imagine the costs of this giantic programm, wich has the "possibility to fail" (thats why everone wouldnt pay, cause its to risky to loose that much money)

but otherwise, nice thought candy-asst

>>340832815
who said it is impossible?
just because someone said so doesn't mean it is so!
People said once that it is impossible to reach the moon or they said that the earth was as flat as a plate and then suddenly "whoops my bad"

one day or another it will be possible.

>>340833095
that's what fucking with the whole planet means.
If the whole world would work as one team, than money wouldn't even matter.

hardon collider*

>>340833797
please...just stop posting...

>>340833797

exactly.. "would"

>>340832815
Except for, y'know. Light.

>>340833902

I want to dip my balls in it

>>340834090
oh fuck you i was gonna post it

they've already observed quarks in a solid state
check it out
>>340827739
einstein would be proud

Might as well just turn this into a Spidey thread before it gets any dumber.

>>340834003
you to much brain or dick today?

>>340834005
too bad.

>>340833797

I hope you're trolling. Please tell me you are.

>>340834481
>>340834003
samefag

There are plans to build an even more powerful one after this one has run it's course. There's even plans for one after the next one. Google it. It's called something ridiculous like 'very large hardron collider'

>>340834711
yeah but when is the LHC in cern finally out of order?

>the speed of light or even faster!

>>340834881
For some reason I think 2014 or around then? I'm not sure at all I just remember reading it.

>>340834337

You fucker, that's not even funny.

Someone who's genuinely interested in science is very pissed off now!

(not really, 11/10 though)

CERN is a research institution with the highest moral standards, and we would like to reassure everyone that we are not conducting research on time travel in an effort to take over the world and creating a dystopia. Any such allegations are completely false.

Also, we will pay well for any information on a rare IBM 5100 computer. Please contact us at our Press Office.

Thank you for your attention.

>>340834896
who said that light is the fastest?
if something would be faster than light, then it is obviously not visible, therefore you would not know it.
and since it is faster than light try to detect it

>>340832815
Its impossible based on our current theories and understanding of science. But that doesn't mean it can never happen.

For instance, in that one hubble picture that has over 10,000 galaxies in it, there is a galaxy in that picture that is so large that according to current physics, it simply shouldn't exist, but there it is, existing.

Also it's still going to be in Cern it's just going to be a massive upgrade of the current one I think

>>"anti-mater proton" and one "mater proton"

Oh great... once the Christians die out it will be Cynical Atheists vs Optimistic Atheists

Can all the OMG IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN candy-asss fucking die off too? You are halting scientific progressions you douche monkeys.

>>340835484

This one reply is why I love being alive, partly. None of that mumbo jumbo religion bullshit, science, science on it's own is so 'magically', mysterious and mindbogglingly awesome already.

>>340835655
>"anti-mater proton"
didn't you know? that's what /b/tards are made of

>>340835655
Yo /b/ro, take this anti-mater

>>340835484
that's what I was thinking

>>340835496
updating it? like with stronger magnets and forcefields? only way an update would be realizable because "stretching" the LHC wouldn't be possible.

>>340835381
according to einstein nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.
>>340835484
that has been explained and debunked

>>340832815
it's "theoretically" impossible
At our current rate of technological advancement, the future is, as they say, in the air still

>>340832512
Not much point in these projects, when matter was crafted by people living in space anyway.....

>>340835780
You should watch a video on YouTube called 'the size of the known universe' or something. It's the most amazing and humbling thing you'll ever see!

The LHC is the biggest waste of money in the history of mankind. I'm going to be laughing when none of they're projects achieve what they set out to do.

Any science based on the big bang theory is a sham.

>>340835655
>>340835839
I could have defined it better if I would speak English for longer than 5 years
all in all you know what I mean

The Large Hardron Colider is just big enough to develop enough energy to be able to detect the lowest order Higgs-Boson particles. The next level of particles would require a particle accelerator with a diameter of our solar system. Since we only require proof of one to prove the existence of all of them, anything larger would be unnecessary.

Now that that's out of the way, how do you expect to get all the countries around the equator (in particular, Africa) to form a stable alliance to build this unmolested? And how do you propose we build something like this through the ocean?

>>340835780

This and porn.

>>340835381
Exactly, we already know space expands faster than the speed of light.

can someone explain to me the practical benefits of accelerating protons to the speed of light

>>340835948

I love Einstein but he has even said:

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all truth and all science".

Lets face facts. We dont know. Einstein himself set the benchmark for speed, but he can be wrong.

Do you want me to explain how temperature is discovered? How everyone claimed nothing is colder than 0C and 100C? Huh?

We learn everyday and books are re written. Why cant this one be rewritten as well, or at the very least, try to see if we can research this further.

>>340835892
Yea stronger magnets etc I believe. It was a while ago I read about it though so it might be worth checking for yourself.

>>340835484
Yeah, and bumblebees shouldn't be able to fly.

>>340835381
The stupid. It hurts my head

>>340835484
Don't believe everything you read in an animated gif, moron.

>>340836589
what? you can make magnets even stronger? holy fuck.

>>340836227

I have, I also love the 'Imagining the tenth dimension' one.

>>340832512
you are why nuthouses continue to thrive

1. the cost of it would be prohibitive.
2. the quantity of materials required would be prohibitive
3. The energy needed to power it would be prohibitive.
4. The precision required in building it would be impossible to achieve over that size
5. How would they build it over the oceans?
6. Holy shit an earthquake! Now what? It's moved my hardon collider by 5 microns and I have to start all over again.

did you even think about what you're proposing?

>>340836817
and this one
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8

>>340835948
regardless of if it has been debunked, simply stating that science evolves over time. While it is impossible to currently go faster than the speed of light, that might change in a thousand years.

>>340836921
>an earthquake
then dont build it over haiti or japan.

LHC is a step ahead type of program to better understand how the universe was created, among other things. The reason it doesn't expand the equator, is simply because it wouldn't do more in that size then it does now.

>>340836290
The Higgs-Boson is like everything else just a theoretical thing which MAY be discovered. Even Higgs himself said that it is possible that this Higgs-Boson don't even exists. But lets hope for the best. And I honestly didn't knew that the LHC is already big enough.
You are right. It is nearly impossible nowadays to build it. But if it would be possible, then maybe something new could be discovered.

>>340836656
Sorry learned about it in an astronomy class years ago, never bothered to keep up with it though.

>>340836500

I once read some scientist saying that Einstein's theories still allow the possibility that there's particles out there that can only travel faster than light, with the speed of light being the absolute minimum they can go at

>>340836500
The speed of light is not the same as the early scales of temperature. It is not a "benchmark," that is waiting for somebody to break.

Einstein provided the method of calculation that proves that the value of the speed of light, and that there is none higher. It is a fundamental constant in all of the theory of relativity (among many others) and altering it's value would disrupt the proofs that these theories construct. What you are proposing is so mind boggling stupid, I'm surprised I'm even bothering to answer.

>>340836249
Herp derp. Research particle acceleration, in particular synchrotron radiation, then try to debate how these aren't useful.

>>340837301
I know you're trolling, but circling the Pacific is the tectonic "ring of fire". Dozens of earthquakes happen daily.

Check out http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/catalogs/eqs7day-age_src.kmz
in Google Earth

>>340832512
> little invention
>Implying he could do better.
I lol'd when I read that in your post.
Pic related.

>>340837468
No part of string theory has been proven yet. For now, though, what is postulated fits in with current physics so well that more an more scientist believe that a proof is inevitable. Even if it is wrong, what has been determined thus far is enough to form the basis of some new theory, even if strings aren't at it's core.

>>340832512

You think too small. If you're going to sizes like the equator, you might just better increase it to a ring around the planet.

I think that might even be more feasible. You don't have to worry about earthquakes, oceans, political instability or other things.

But although I do believe it one day will be possible, I can't see it being in the next 200 years. But I don't know for sure with the rate our technology advances. (it's more about getting the resources and making it as efficient as possible though).

But hey, some of you might think this is impossible as well. I just feel very optimistic about the future of our species myself. If we get rid of this religion thing, or at least it being the norm. Maybe science can finally be appreciated fully.

>>340837705
Read up on Tachyons. That's what he's referring to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon

>>340837887
who said at the beginning that Einstein was right?
He made some fundamental theories which everyone believes in but even he could have done mistakes. What if everything what was achieved to know, scientifically seen, is just humbug?

I would not dare to believe my own writing because I think he was right in this but the speed of light is still not the limit.

>>340839095
thats why its called the theory of relativity dumbshit

>>340838924
inb4 roody-poos and jews. theres no future.

Wow...what a collection of dumb fucks.I'm amazed at how much smarter some of you think you are, than the folk who have been studying and experimenting in this field for decades.
Party on, fuckwits.

>>340838924
Indeed after reading some of those things in this topic, except for some candy-asss, it is a more effective way to build it in space and not on earth but that should take it's time by itself.

Our species will hopefully survive somehow and if this religion bullshit wasn't here, then the science of today would be the science from yesterday if you get what I mean.

Can't express myself on English like I used to in my mothers tongue

>>340839036
those travel backwards thru time, and only in the presence of nuclear radiation.

>>340840452
lol watchmen...

I never really got why they could speed particles up to 99.9% the speed of light, but not 100%. Any anons care to fill me in?

>>340839095
I respect your drive to debate this, but your lacking some fundamental understanding. I'm not a physicist, either, so I will stumble trying to explain it properly. Basically Einstein proved that as a particle approaches the speed of light, the energy required to speed it up increases exponentially. It actually asymptotes at the value of the speed of light, meaning you would require an infinite amount of energy to exceed it. The LHC can reach 99.9% and in the previous generations of synchrotron, this value was around 99.75%. This may seem like a big jump, but the next one will be much bigger, again, the diameter of the solar system for I think 99.99%.

Pick up a copy of Brian Greene's "The Elegant Universe." He does a really good job of summarising Einstien and introducing String Theory.

>>340840835
you can't observe anything going as fast as light, well at least not in LHC. so they go as fast as they can while still being able to observe it

>>340840835
with the methods and techniques of today it is impossible to speed up something faster then light

>>340841074
Then why can I see photons jackass.

Okay.I'll man up, Quantum mechanics and particle physics major here, ask me anything. I'll try to fill in some blank areas for you. I'm 4th year btw.

>>340841074
I'm not even going to attempt to correct you.

>>340841074
Stupid bitch

>>340839095
If you can prove me that Einstein's theory of relativity was wrong, I'll allow your fantasies and even raise my hat for you, sir. Until that time, nothing with mass can ever reach speed faster than light, since it would require to consume all energy it consists of to do so.

>>340835269

Are you John Titor?

>>340841074
We have other methods of observing than seeing.

>>340841010
I see. And maybe I will read this book if it is released on German. I've already learned lot of today's theories and such things by myself and never had an teacher but I am willing to learn and know even more.
Thank you for lighting my way

>>340841845

The organization is after us. We need to make our move soon. El Psy Congroo

Fuck...am I the only one that saw the pic and instantly thought it was a robotic Goatse?

Feelsbadman.jpg

Your fortune: ｷﾀ━━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━ !!!!

the only thing that i know off that was faster than the speed of light was the big bang.

Where the fuck is the Higgs-Boson. We need to find that invisible bitch. Motherfucker. Fucking gravity.

>>340842453
haha i lold

>>340841489
Name faggin to give some light

>>340841074
That's not entirely correct. While they can't produce speed of light from our point of observation, they're actually pushing them beyond the speed of light from their pov (the particles), Relativly that is, the particles go faster than light they'll be traveling in time, go slower and they are observable, hence the 99.99999^%

This thread is why I still frequent /b/. Sure, some you are idiots spouting complete bullshit, but there's also friendly people just discussing Quantum mechanics in a very casual way on a public image board without there being any cause but one initial person's interest and subsequent thread.

I love you guys.

All my rage.

It pains me to see idiots pondering things they have no knowledge of, and seemingly no interest in learning either. OP may be right in his innocent reminder that mankind should never settle for anything in it's pursuit of understanding, but he's still an ignorant shithead like most people in this thread.

>>340842453
The Higgs-Boson was a theory in the older days of physics, it was generally used to explain the medium that light traveled thru. It was sort of a Gelatin to explain what the medium lights and oxygen etc were held too, They say particles can't touch each other, so the Higgs-Boson was what they assumed was in between the area of the particles.

OP your a dumbass underage candy-ass, while you have good intentions, your an idiot
>thanks for listening

>>340841792
The speed of light is just not the limit. Maybe I am to stubborn but somehow I know it isn't.

>>340842997
Why did they assume light needed a medium to travel through? When was this?

Aw, it appears as though I've come to late to be of any use. Good to see a highly regarded subject on /b/ though.

>>340842966
Idiots pondering about our reason for being, our existence and the way things work around us is what lead us to our achievements now. never underestimate the power of curiosity.

>>340843379
you sound like a christian defending his religion gtfo motherfucker

>>340835209
They did see quarks in a solid state though...they collided gold particles

>>340841489
Sweet, I'll hang my hat up now.

>>340843427
well, light is actually particles called photons, they are actual particles! they figured if they were particles they had mass (which they do) so with that in mind they were curious as to why gravity wasn't affecting them, that in turn for this "free flight" they had something which we couldn't see holding them up. Enter the Higgs-Boson.

>>340832512
seeing that picture gave me a raging hadron

Hey everynewt gingrich. Didja know that the people at the LHC created antihydrogen atoms? Not just that, but they were able to sustain them for more than 16 minutes?

Now isn't that just fucking cool.

>>340843777
You can continue, I only briefly read the thread, but saw a lot of questions and google genius answers. thought I'd help.

>>340834056
Light has no mass, therefore it can reach that speed. Every other particle besides photons (and the Higgs Boson theoretically) has mass. So no other particle can reach the speed of light.

>>340832512

There's not enough money in the world to do that. Maybe when we stop being retarded and pouring the money into wars, religion, and other candy-assery.

Also you can't reach the speed of light.

>>340843379
Lol when the speed of light is the limit. Someone never took a physics class.

needz tah find dah fuckin graviton. Motherfucker hidin' all up in dem waves.

>>340843596
It's not like that.
There are already thinks that are faster then light. I meant forcing something beyond speed of light is possible someday, but not know

>>340843379
You hope it isn't, because the universe you live in would seem much duller if it was. The only case where I have heard of something containing information moving faster than light was from a quantum physics presentation I read... It had something to do with light waves transferring information of them being observed, thus reverting into particles instead of waves. As I understood it, light is currently the only thing that exists both as waves and particles, but upon being observed becomes particles. This information of being seen spreads faster than light, but yeah, quantum physics are beyond our current understandings anyway. Maybe I'm wrong. If some physicsfag would correct my misunderstandings, I'd be grateful.

You don't reach the speed of light, you exceed the point to point distance by traversing an Einstein-Rosenberg bridge, aka a wormhole nigga

>>340844106

Light particles.

Particles.

Mass.

Oh also, thank you guys for this wonderful thread.

>>340844394
>there are already things that are faster than light

How about no.

>>340844394
Just...Just go.

>>340844571
What are you implying? Photons have no mass, which is why it's effective range is basically infinity.

>>340844394

>things

Sounds legit scientifically based research.

There's a lot of questioning of the speed of light and exceeding it I see, so I'll just go ahead and answer definitively about that one, YES THE SPEED OF LIGHT CAN/HAS BEEN BROKEN ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

"Every time you look at the water in a nuclear reactor, the bluish glow you see is radiation produced by charged particles moving faster than the speed of light in the water."

Everything in science is eventually proven wrong. I seriously doubt the so called speed of light is some type of insurmuntable barrier but it will all need to wait, the world is entering a new technocratic dark age and if the last one is any indication it might be a few hundred years or more. lol. Colliders.

>>340844394
You cannot move through space faster then the speed of light, but you can move space itself as fast as you want to. By creating a bubble of space-time, and moving that bubble you can exceed the speed of light. That would require negative energy though, something that has never been observed of synthesized.

/B/ HAS GONE QUANTUM MECHANICALZ ON YOUR ASS

O_O

>>340845155
also should add the time in such reactors has been slowed. but technically it's still breaking the speed of light.

>>340844527
Some scientist already made an experiment which was btw successful which showed, as far as I remember, that light acts as carrier of data.
If you put a long fiber optic cable and somehow give some kind of "message" to one end of the fiber optic cable the other end get this message an instant, speaking of the same exact time, which means the "message" traveled faster then the speed of light, but used the light as a "carrier"

>>340845155
You are an idiot, let me tell you why.

"speed of light in the water."

Light slows down when it moves through a medium. Water slows light down, therefore the speed of light "in water" is slower then the true speed of light. So if something moved faster then the speed of light in water, it still is going slower then the true speed of light. (true speed of light = speed of light in a vacuum)

The medium in a nuclear reactor is slowed, so the particles in them are still traveling faster then the light but it's because the speed of light has been slowed.

This uplifts humanity... how? State spends billions on 'science' (sorry, this isn't science, this is a bunch of bullshitters conning governments out of cash) and us idiot laypersons don't realize that when they say, "We're colliding particles!" it really means, "We're raping your wallet AND exploding things without knowing wtf will happen!"

Get a bunch of fat nerds/virgins together and spend billions for a big o-ring buried in the earth? Darfur? The Congo? We could lift the world out of the depths of its hell but you wanking homos think that watching atomic debris swirl patterns fucking does ANYTHING for us are goddamn idiots.

>>340845576
I'm not an idiot, at least concerning Quantum mechanics and particle physics, I'm a 4th major and I'm doing quite well. I went on to say that the medium in nuclear reactor slows time 3/4...

I just had this idea of a laser pointed from Earth at our nearest exo-colony in the future. It would flicker and send all the collected information of a human being in a similar way to the morse code, and in the destination they would read all of that information with a powerful telescope and clone the person whose whole life was broken into code and sent there.

Is this a dumb idea? Is there some better way to transfer information with the speed of light?

>>340845049

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon

Read.

>>340845958
You claimed the speed of light is broken all the time. Any true knowledgeable person would know the speed of light refers to the speed of light in a vacuum. Not the speed of light in a medium. No object has ever been witness breaking the speed of light. You saying there was one, and it happened with frequency, leads me to one conclusion. You are an idiot. If you truly meant something different, be more clear with your statements.

>>340846286
You still you not stated your implications. Pointing to a large Wikipedia article and saying "read" does not mean anything.

>>340844603
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon

Who thinks the LHC is a waste of money is a moron. So far every particle accelerator generated much more money then was spent on it. You are right now using a little invention called the WWW that was originally designed at cern. Just think how much jobs that alone has generated, and its just one example of many inventions that where made at particle accelerators

>>340846269
How would you know where to point it? Also what kind of information would you send? If you wanted to build a perfect recreation you would need to calculate the position of all the atoms within a person. Thanks to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle that won't be that accurate. Also sending all that information in binary takes an extremely long period of time. So overall it would just be a waste of resources and time.

>>340845247

Yeah, they do that all the time in star trek.

U MAD PHYSICSFAGS?

There is no SOL constant. Stars, quarks, black holes, etc. Talk about a fucking rubber ruler. If you use the speed of light as we know it its only environmental (this solar system). There's no way to figure out how fast its traveling everywhere else.

>>340845748

Fuck off you unimaginative oaf.

Go fuck yourself.

The speed of light WAS broken, whoi wants to know how shall make a thread, i am happy to explain it there

NICE we talk about cern and the captcha says nuclei ^^

>>340846942
Haha, I was unaware of the method of travel in Star Trek. I guess scientific accuracy is part of the reason so many nerds salivate over that show. In real life however, negative energy just is not a possibility, yet. In the future, who knows.

>>340846682

You asshole. Its a good idea to explain HOW they did that. I didn't realize that some pie in the sky search for 'anti-matter' fucking invented the goddamn internet.

>>340846269

I think that's how we will colonize other star systems. Instead of sending people there, which would take centuries of space travel, we will send ships with computers and equipment that are capable to recreate human people from DNA information. That way we could easily and cheaply colonize the galaxy in just a couple of centuries.

>>340846830
But is there a currently known faster way to send information than with light itself? With a ridiculously fast computer it shouldn't be too hard to calculate where to point the thing.

>>340846949
The speed of light is constant for all references. Including everywhere in the universe. Time bends and conforms to ensure that the speed of light remains constant.

>>340846490

My apologies.

Read the part "Experimental checks on photon mass"

...
The photon is currently understood to be strictly massless, but this is an experimental question
...

And so on. Just to bring you up to speed with the entire point of the LHC.

We don't know about the Mass for sure, that's the entire thing.

>>340847043

Not the internet, but the world wide web, big difference. He also invented the hypertexttransferprotocoll, the reason EVERY adress starts with http

>>340847517
What are you implying exactly? That in the future lasers will be used to send information to other colonies? Since actually research is being done currently to try to transfer the internet with lasers through satellites. Also any space colony will be light years away from us. So unless we develop a faster then light way of travel, lasers will have to do. There will also be years of delay between sent and received messages, so that will suck.

>>340846942
AND SO WE
BOUNCE THE GRAVITON PARTICLE BEAM
OFF THE MAIN DEFLECTOR DISH
THATS THE WAY WE'RE DOIN IT
LIKE WERE MAKIN SHIT UP AS WE WISH
THE KLINGONS AND THE ROMULANS
POSE NO THREAT TO US
CAUSE IF WE FIND
WERE IN A BIND
WELL JUST MAKE SOME SHIT UP


sounds like how religion works amirite

>>340847484
Are you a fucking moron? Yes. That antimatter you ridicule could well solve all energy needs for mankind for the next... well, eternity if only we found a way to harness it better. Get the fuck out of here, you redundant fuck.

>>340845748
wow.
no wonder this was the last voyager trip.

>>340847043

How about you look up the name tim berners lee

>>340847544
The LHC's main purpose is to look for the Higgs Boson. It is already understood that the photon is massless. That is the only way it can travel at the speed of light. The photon is massless, the Standard Model says so. And seeing as the Standard Model is the most accurate predictor of subatomic events, I'm going to believe it over some random Wikipedia article.

I'm sorry, but fuck these assholes at Cern. The LHC is the BIGGEST waste of money in the goddamn universe. Their collective bullshitting and indecipherable gobble-de-gook is so mind numbingly fucking retarded its beyond my ability to describe as anything but. Smashing protons? How the fucking universe began?!! Anti-matter?!!! Oh what the shrivelled dick fuck are you virgin neckbearded zombies gonna believe next? We don't live in a magic filled continuum where warp speed and particle transporters exist. Come back to fucking reality and stop your goddamn, money wasting dreaming.

>>340846269
there is a modest mouse album which is engulfed by theories like this..

at one point the singer says something like "remember that we are light from the stars"

>>340836416

That's not exactly true. Read up on the Hubble constant, and expansion velocity versus relative velocity. No one thing in the universe is actually moving faster than the speed of light, but they are moving away from each other at faster than the speed of light because of their relative velocities from each other. Metric Expansion.

>>340847848

Wait... you're saying that the LHC at Cern did NOT invent the web? So it didn't DO what you SAID it did.

Smashing protons = www

Fuck off.

>>340848352


"HERRRP DERRRRP. SCIENCE NEVAR IMPROVED ANYTHING ON PLANET."

Holy shit. Go back to your religious circle-jerking and an hero, ASAP. We live in a world where man has walked on the moon, and we can create robotic arms for amputees. Fuck yourself.

>>340848002
Anti-matter is, and can never be, a true power source. Since it requires more energy to create then we will get from it. It's only use is a super condensed battery. It just holds energy, that is all. We would have to mine anti-matter for it to be an actual power source. The only place anti-matter could exist is inbetween galaxies, and since we cannot travel 100,000+ lightyears it won't be our power source.

>>340842277

tu-tu-ruu hi okarin

>>340848728
>>340848728
>>340848728

MORON WWW AS IN WORLD WIDE WEB ! Look up the name time berners lee

>>340848769

No, I said the LHC never invented anything of value.

Name it.

>>340848322

You're going to be as arrogant enough to claim that there is no reason to take the chance of Photons to be having mass, as a particle into account?

I mean, are you that convinced in this kind of an experimental and theoretical science?

Lots of things have been established and later debunked, and seeing how this information is still relatively new and based on a lot of speculation I don't think we can "understand that the photon is massless.".

But sure, go ahead. Disregard all options in other question and debates that rely on that being the way you are so convinced it is.

>>340847508
cool

>>340848941

Hey asshole, can you not understand? The WWW did not come about from the LHC. You DEFENDED the LHC by saying that 'its technology came from cern'. Sorry, you fucking lose.

>>340849137

It's research, newfag.
Shit isn't just engineered overnight.

You're bitching about CERN, and yet I bet you're the same kind of prick who thinks the billions of dollars on war is justified.

>>340848784
Everything needs more engery to run then it creates, otherwise we would have a pepetum mobile and could solve all the energy problems in the world.

Also, according to my physic studies anti-matter does not exist anoymre.

If Materia and anti-materia would be on the exact same measure there would only be light (photons), if vice versa there would be nothing.

So in the "early" universe, there was a lets say 1'000'000'001 : 1'000'000'000 ratio for materia and anti-materia.

Some materia survived, we are made out of the rest.

>>340849137

Cloud computing , the www , http i could go on pages naming computer stuff alone that created hundreds of thousands of jobs in the us alone ^^

>>340849556

War is the other big waster. The same governmental fuckwits who approve idiotic shit like Cern and the LHC approve endless fucking spending on military.

>>340845748
>>340848352
Samefag. Antimatter exists and can be kept stable with magnetism. Magic does not, however, and this is one of the reasons why science is so awesome. The universe doesn't need magic, it is a beautiful and incredible thing in it's own right. People like you would be satisfied with the current knowledge I suspect? Well, I would not. If you had lived some hundred years ago, you would have said the same thing about nuclear fission, spaceflight and cloning.

>>340849229
The claim that the photon is massless is not "relatively new" it is almost a hundred years old. The masslessness of the photon is not just from a theory but from various experiments. The resting rate of a photon has to be massless for it to accomplish the various things it does. If the photon had mass it would not be able to interact with objects an infinite distance away. But fine, I will give you the 0.001% chance that a photon has mass. Even though it flies in the face of all the experiments done up to this point. Are you satisfied?

>>340848352

I bet you would have said the exact same thing if you lived in the time when they started first research on nuclear fission.

Instead of a pitchfork, you now have a cheap ass pc.

Quite amusing.

>>340849442

www stands for world wide web and that was invented by tim berners lee at cern in the very tunnels the LHC is now,i think its you who cannot understand moron

>>340849933
>>340848352

Oh, and thank the CERN for their internet and contribution to modern media. Or you wouldn't probably have ever heard about the specifics of this LHC experiment.

Along with anything major outside of your own country or maybe even town.

>>340849786

>SCIENCE IS A WASTE OF MONEY HERP DERP

While using a computer...

Nigga, please...

>>340832512
I'm getting an unsettling "gaping ass" feeling from this picture...

>>340849748

Great googely moogely. What the fuck is between your ears? Fucking cotton? Listen: the LHC and Cern have not produced ANY of what you said. Just because some of the same SCIENTISTS created those things does not mean that they cannot be mutually exclusive.

>>340838924

Quit blaming sciences shortcomings on religion you fucking hipster. If you actually believe that we can build a giant fucking ring around earth for no other reason to study subatomic particles, you're on fucking crack. There probably isnt even enough steel/rare/metals/other resources on earth for this to be even remotely feasible. Not to mention this would cost trillions and trillions of dollars, which will never come from a bunch of countries that disagree over everything. I will bet the entire future of humanity that we never build a fuckin Halo-esque ring around the earth. We are far more likely to die out as a species, hell, it's more likely the sun expands into a supernova and fries us all before we build a particle collider bigger than earth.

Seriously, this fucking "let's all bond together as a human family in the name of progress" hippie bullshit makes me madder than any religious fundie ever did.

>faster than speed of light
>gf physics

ps. the faster it's going, the larger the amplitude of it's position wave, the equator would be redundant because after a certain point increase in diameter of the channel would cease to be compensated for by the corresponding increase in length.

at least you tried

>>340849568
You just proved what I said even more. Thank you for backing up my statement to a larger degree. I also said if anti-matter exists, it would have to be in the space between galaxies. (If I did not say that, that is what I meant). I say that because I had a large discussion with someone else who just couldn't except that anti-matter has never been observed naturally in the universe. Also, your condescending information does anger me. Such simple things should not have to be spelled out. I understand, however, that it is not your fault. As most who frequent this board understand little about theoretical physics.

>>340836290
except that the higgs boson hasnt been detected in almost 3 years of being up

>>340850325

QUIT TROLLING US, YOU ARE RUINING THIS THREAD!

>>340850325
>>340850325

THey where invented at cern for the LHC you moron

I can see you trekkies don't understand. Science is not bullshit. The LHC is bullshit. It has no intrinsic value. It does nothing. It smashes particles together.

Its existence did not create the web. Its existence did not create anything. It is utterly and totally USELESS.

>>340849786
Science is actually the BEST FUCKING THING to spend money in. CERN is just one good example of what we should pour our resources into. Name one thing better to waste human resources into than to further our knowledge on EVERYTHING? Saving lives? To what end? Science alone with medicine and agricultural advances has allowed humanity to populate the whole fucking earth and has saved more lives than humane aid ever did and ever will.

You're a fucking idiot, GTFO.

>>340850552
It has not run at full capacity yet. Also, quite humorously, if the Higgs Boson's mass is in the higher limit of what is theoretically possible. The LHC won't be able to detect it. So after all that money, we will need to spend more. You just have to love theoretical physics don't you.

>>340850860
now that isnt true it has discoverd undiscovered particles, BUT the higgs-boson is what they are looking for and they have failed in this

>>340849886

I don't care what you believe in to be honest. But for arguments sake, yes.

your not allowed to talk. the energy used to power the lhc is enough to power new york for like a week.

shutup

>>340850859

THey where invented at cern for the LHC you moron

invented at cern

at cern

at

LHC technology and the process of smashing particles together had NOTHING to do with its creation. The scientist created it.

>>340835948
on that second point, can you give me a link?

also this thread is just...wow.

>>340850407

I never said it was likely, I said it was possible.

Rare materials don't have to come from this planet. Money is no reason, technology (production and resource collection) advances, values change.

Building methods change as well.

And I said I was being optimistic. Don't insult me for being an idealist when what I say is completely feasible, even if it isn't likely.

>>340851413
wtf does that have to do with anything?
Secondly the quarks and other particles that have been discovered are substantial but yeah i dont think they will ever get the higgs and even LHC scientists have said that

>>340850927

Every science project you nerds have had orgasms over has military application. You really think governments, who's job it is to collect taxes, suppress revolts and 'defend' themselves gives a shit about what it does for humanity? Fuck all, you are a goddamn naive virgin, ain'tchee?

>>340851980
Are you really talking negatively about science and scientists on the vary thing they created?

>>340851473

Are you a little slow or something ? The LHC is the reason those things where invented. The money you say was wasted was partially used to pay for them. Without the LHC those scientists would have gone to other projects, not inventing them.