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    6 KB Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:43:07 No.339896171  
    Ask a philosopher anything.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:44:21 No.339896309
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    do you work in a coffee shop ?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:44:53 No.339896367
    >>339896171
    Why?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:45:01 No.339896385
    >>339896309

    Currently unemployed.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:45:13 No.339896407
    Does the universe was always there?
    If so, what happened "yesterday" and "yesterday" and "yesterday"

    Was it created at some point?
    If so, how can "something" be created by "nothing"
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:45:16 No.339896414
    Fucking awesome thread.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:45:51 No.339896490
    Are you a raptor?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:45:51 No.339896491
    Do you think that we aren't philosophers?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:46:44 No.339896595
    Is this the real life?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:47:06 No.339896633
    >>339896367

    Why why?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:47:52 No.339896726
    How does one such as myself who is devoid of a conscience or normal human emotions go about living a moral life?
    Also is it immoral of me to tell someone I love them if I have never felt it, though I am sure I would not enjoy their absence.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:47:55 No.339896734
    Why do you call yourself a "philosopher"?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:48:06 No.339896752
    >>339896633
    Why why why?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:48:20 No.339896777
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    why anythang ?
    why are we here ?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:48:25 No.339896787
    is this just fantasy?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:48:31 No.339896803
    >>339896752
    Why not?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:48:39 No.339896818
    Isn't every person a philosopher?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:49:00 No.339896855
    you wanna touch tips? we can cum in each other's pee-holes!
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:49:00 No.339896856
    >>339896407

    You ask how can universe be created out of nothing, but what is nothing? When you think of nothing, you're already thinking of something, right? So this nothing is a something, too.

    The universe was always here; but at the same time, it is constantly being created and annihilated.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:49:10 No.339896874
    what is philosophy?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:49:27 No.339896907
    >>339896595

    Is this just fantasy?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:49:46 No.339896951
    >>339896595

    No. What you call "real life" is a composite of simulacra. It's structured like a fiction.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:49:49 No.339896957
    Your fortune: Good news will come to you by mail

    If there is no God then how do you explain why life exists?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:49:49 No.339896959
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    Why do white people like chicken?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:50:43 No.339897064
    >>339896957

    Same way you explain how God exists.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:51:04 No.339897108
    >>339896907
    caught in a landslide...
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:51:12 No.339897121
    >>339896726
    conscience and emotions are not necessary to live a moral life. Morality can be derived from any number of ideologies: Hedonism, utilitarianism, etc.

    If your moral code disallows you from telling un-truth then yes, it would be immoral. Claiming to have a feeling when you do not have one would not be truthful.
    If your moral code allows for un-truths, then you will have to apply the circumstances to the rules and decide if it is moral or not
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:51:15 No.339897127
    how do i deal with the absurd and my immutable search for purpose?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:51:30 No.339897155
    >>339896856
    Shitty ontological argument that is categorically false. If you going to refute the theist ontological argument "god exists because we have an idea of what IT entails"
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:51:37 No.339897170
    Caught in a landslide,
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:52:02 No.339897204
    what's new on Wendy's menu?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:52:06 No.339897211
    >>339896874

    Not everyone will give you the same answer. I will say: philosophy starts when Parmenides said "thought and being are correlative". A stronger pronouncement of the same principle was posed by Hegel: what is actual is rational, what is rational is actual. The belief that somehow rationality is limitless, is philosophy for me.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:52:22 No.339897247
    >>339896171

    If God exists and free will exists, when did I choose to exist? If life is a test to determine if I should be saved or not, why was I not given the option of not existing in the first place? Isn't free will a damnation in itself?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:52:26 No.339897258
    >>339897127
    See Camus, myth of sisyphus.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:52:43 No.339897287
    >>339896856

    Ugh. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

    Just because I have to think of something in order to imagine 'nothing' doesn't mean that 'nothing' is actually something.

    This is like saying that there are only three dimensions because when I try to think of something that's six dimensional I'm really only visualizing it in three dimensions. Human limitations != natural limitations.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:52:58 No.339897313
    >>339896171
    when you brush your teeth do you go up/down first or left/right
    >> Mang !!jIcPNMSVBL3 07/10/11(Sun)05:53:02 No.339897320
    >>339897170
    >>339897108
    With no escape from reality...
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:53:40 No.339897387
    >>339896818

    >I count every day
    >I use math every day for everyday tasks

    Isn't everyone a mathematician?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:54:01 No.339897433
    If your philosophy comes up in regular conversation, and someone asks you about it, do you just rattle off some complete and utter bullshit worded so they don't understand any of it, and because they don't understand a word they think you're a boss?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:54:04 No.339897439
    >>339897121
    individualist who doesn't believe in ethics LOL
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:54:14 No.339897463
    Your fortune: Average Luck

    If you had the chance to know the truth about everything in this Universe, the truth to all the important answers, but you were immediately struck blind, deaf and dumb 5 seconds afterwards, would you do it?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:54:15 No.339897465
    >>339897155
    Cogito, ergo sum?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:54:28 No.339897491
    >>339897127
    Deal with the absurd however you choose. It matters little.
    As for a search for purpose, there is no clearly defined path towards discovering one's purpose. That is left to the individual. What do you want to do?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:55:11 No.339897566
    >>339897258
    no fucking shit plato, i didn't just pull that out of my ass.

    explain to me how prometheus can accept the absurdity of his situation when he cannot become the actions of his punishment.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:55:12 No.339897570
    >>339896171

    What's the ultimate question to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:55:20 No.339897584
    has one really come as far as to do more look like?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:55:24 No.339897592
    Your fortune: ( ´_ゝ`)フーン

    >>339897258

    camus can do, but sartre is smartre
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:55:49 No.339897633
    >>339897121
    Okay but consider I am a blank slate and the morals I know of are learned from social experimentation. I know these things are bad, nothing tells me they are but I have learned from experience that these things have negative consequences for myself if I am caught.
    I feel almost nothing, my life is empty, I make meaning for myself but it has no real meaning. I suppose I'd be a nihilist or something. I don't see morals being particularly useful often times they get in the way of my sucsess
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:56:11 No.339897666
    >>339896951
    Alright Plato, calm down.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:56:17 No.339897673
    >>339897287

    How can you say "these are human limitations", being a human? When you show a limit to your understanding, you already have to transcend that limit, in order to see it.

    If you claim there is a "nothing" that is not a something, if you can claim there is a nothingness that doesn't already turn into being, then tell me something about that nothing, anything. As soon as you define it, it will become something. If you don't define it, its definition will be "that which is not defined", thus it will be again defined, and it will be something.

    Therefore, nothing and being are the same.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:57:40 No.339897824
    >>339897566
    >Story problem from Phil101 midterm that proves you took the course
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:57:47 No.339897844
    >>339897465
    Cogito ergo sum is soliphism not the claim Ka(G) [I know...God]. This is strawmanning my counter argument and begging the question, is that Descarte's view? No. It isnt. Descarte's derives truth from categories and axioms. That's why so few philosophers are cartesians because metaphyisics is far more useful.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:58:24 No.339897909
    >>339897592
    Lol ok commie ;)
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:58:30 No.339897923
    how's weather tomorrow??
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:58:39 No.339897946
    >>339897247

    As Empedokles said, God is the most ignorant of all beings. Have you considered that? He hasn't got a clue. He's an idiot.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:58:52 No.339897962
    This confused summerfag needs to get slugged in the jaw
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:59:32 No.339898036
    Would this ever turn you on enough to compel you to manually massage your nether regions?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvuxbv1QRj4
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:59:41 No.339898049
    >>339897633
    OK, your moral code doesn't include anyone other than yourself. I would consider yourself to be something of a utilitarian.
    That which helps you is good, that which hurts you is bad. Did you want something more than that?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)05:59:58 No.339898075
    >>339897824

    cool, i've never even taken philosophy, good to know the best i can do is already used for the simplest shit
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:00:39 No.339898150
    >>339896407

    >Does the universe was always there?

    Well does it? Does it was?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:00:54 No.339898191
    >>339897566
    oh snap, someone read 5 Dialogs and thinks he's a philosopher
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:01:18 No.339898231
    >>339897824
    also, note difference between prometheus and sisyphus

    not the same person
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:01:37 No.339898268
    >>339898150
    Ladies and Gentlemen, the Socrates with NO answers
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:01:58 No.339898310
    fuck this thread is dumb
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:01:59 No.339898312
    Your fortune: Excellent Luck

    if there are a chicken but it laid a egg what came first?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:02:02 No.339898319
    Do you do this for a living?
    Do you get paid?
    Who pays you, and what service do you provide?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:02:21 No.339898353
    >>339898231
    I approve
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:03:21 No.339898458
    Your fortune: キタ━━━━━━(゚∀゚)━━━━━━ !!!!

    Are you gay? candy-ass?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:03:27 No.339898469
    >>339898312
    The question presupposes that the question means anything. It doesn't.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:03:34 No.339898484
    >>339898191
    alright, calm down
    anyone who's taking this seriously is a candy-ass
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:03:34 No.339898489
    >>339898353
    textbook problems are useless to consider.

    Much like masturbation, empty in the end. Nothing but a sticky mess afterwards.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:03:34 No.339898490
    Do we translate pure thought into language and back when we communicate, or are our thoughts limited to and in the form of language and symbols?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:04:21 No.339898575
    >>339898319

    I'm unemployed.
    I live on the mercy of other people.
    I live like a poor person, eat very little, and read all days.
    I'm happy.

    P.S.: I'm sorry my thread got overtaken by philosophy dilettantes.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:04:29 No.339898593
    >>339898353
    approve what?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:05:06 No.339898659
    >>339898575
    Give me your definition of good.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:05:18 No.339898689
    >>339898575
    Because you're the best ever, bye socrates
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:05:51 No.339898749
    >>339898575
    So, why are you posting in this thread?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:06:06 No.339898777
    >>339898593
    That is the question for the ages
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:06:17 No.339898803
    >>339898049
    I'd like to know that I'm not the only one who gets up in the morning looking in the mirror and seeing a construct, I'd enjoy feeling the love that my girlfriend feels for me. I'd like to be a person. I'd like to know what satisfaction feels like. I'd like more, I know of utilitarianism, I never considered myself much of one. I do not believe life has any real meaning. I sometimes look at that as the ultimate freedom. I value my freedom which stops me from doing many things. If I did have a moral code it includes never hurting women. I will hurt a man, even kill one but never a woman something about that is wrong. Deeply wrong oh and animals it's pointless if anything I believe they are better than people, they don't pretend, we all do some like myself more than others, I do it because I have to, Animals live a pure existence
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:07:04 No.339898892
    >>339898575
    it's obviously good for nothing, because you're shit
    go get a job and sell your labor
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:07:12 No.339898907
    >>339898575
    Thank you for answering
    Mercy of other people meaning your neighbors or family or friends, right?
    Not on the dole?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:07:22 No.339898930
    >>339897320
    Open your eyes...
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:07:57 No.339898998
    >>339898777
    i wish i had the image for i dont know what the fuck is going on
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:08:32 No.339899069
    What is your stance on Solipsism? Ever since I learned about it, I have trouble not seeing links to it everywhere. Like it's an idea that's ingrained in everyone to some extent.

    I'm fairly cynical, so maybe that has something to do with it.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:08:51 No.339899097
    The Qabalists and Hermeticists expanded this idea of Nothing(Ain), and got a second kind of Nothing which they called "Ain Soph"-"Without Limit". (This idea seems not unlike that of Space.) They then decided that in order to interpret this mere absence of any means of definition, it was necessary to postulate the Ain Soph Aur-"Limitless Light". By this they seem to have meant very much what the men of science meant, or thought that they meant, by the Luminiferous Ether. (The Space-Time Continuum)

    All these ideas are evidently without form and void; these are abstract conditions, not positive ideas.

    The next step must be the idea of Position. One must formulate this thesis: If there is anything except Nothing, it must exist within this Boundless Light; within this Space; within this inconceivable Nothingness, which cannot exist as Nothing-ness, but has to be conceived of as a Nothingness composed of the annihilation of two imaginary opposites. Thus appears The Point, which has "neither parts nor magnitude, but only position".

    But position does not mean anything at all unless there is something else, some other position with which it can be compared. One has to describe it. The only way to do this is to have another Point, and that means that one must invent the number Two, making possible The Line. Zero becomes Two. 0=2, And so on.

    It's pretty interesting to note that many Quantum physicists agree with most of the ideas about origns of the univeres with religious philosophies such as Vedanta or Kabbalah.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:09:02 No.339899117
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    Why?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:09:41 No.339899201
    strictly speaking, anyone who thinks deeply and logically is a philosopher.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:10:27 No.339899288
    >>339898490

    First good question.

    It's interesting that Hegel - my favorite philosopher - defined madness as "thought without language".

    I don't know about that. But what do you think of this:

    "Pure thought" is just a retroactive fiction. It exists only in a presupposed and projected pre-linguistic past. We say we "articulate our thoughts", but verily, it is the articulation that is the thinking. There is no other thinking than articulation and symbolization.

    You could say "a cat is thinking without language", but a cat is only conditioned, not thinking. Thinking proper requires language.

    Not only thinking, EVEN THE THINKER. What we refer to as "I", "me", "myself", the subject, is a product of language. The neuro-scientists there, can dissect the brain all they want and try to find the homunculus there, we can guffaw at their follies.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:12:39 No.339899549
    >>339899117

    "Why?" - a question without reference can only refer to what itself established, therefore, its own questioning. So I interpret your question as "why why?" - so the question is "what is the reason of asking for a reason?" - the answer is: the reason is the reason.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:12:54 No.339899577
    >>339899288
    Interesting, I don't Helen Keller wrote of being in a state of madness before she learned language.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:14:07 No.339899724
    >>339899201

    Sure. One can be a mathematician too if one thinks deeply about mathematics.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:14:22 No.339899758
    Why is a boxing ring square?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:14:29 No.339899768
    >>339896171

    Do you believe in tipping?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:14:48 No.339899802
    >>339899577

    She did? I must find that quote, it will be useful. Thanks.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:14:54 No.339899815
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    >>339899549
    Why?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:16:17 No.339899962
    >>339899802
    note the word "dont"
    as in I meant to say that she didn't write that
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:17:07 No.339900052
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    why ?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:19:35 No.339900330
    >>339896171
    how do you kill, that which has no life?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:20:01 No.339900376
    >>339900330
    Can you survive death?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:20:38 No.339900434
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    Whhhhhy?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:21:09 No.339900499
    >>339900052
    >>339899962

    Check the case of Kasper Hauser.

    Your insistence on asking why is that of a child's.

    According to Lacanian psychoanalysis, he's not
    really interested in reasons. He only wants to prove that the mother doesn't hold the answer, is as clueless as he is (which is in a way true). That is to say, he wants to demonstrate a lack in the Other (the order of language)
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:22:27 No.339900638
    >>339900330
    >>339900376

    You are already dead, but you don't know it yet.

    You can kill that which has no life by showing it it's already dead but it doesn't know it yet. It lives only because it doesn't know it's dead (yet).
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:22:38 No.339900657
    when will someone make a good sex robot ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwXR-gey9XE
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:22:58 No.339900693
    >>339900499

    derp derp cheap excuse so you don't have to think about shit herp derp
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:23:12 No.339900717
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    Caaaaa-stanza!
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:24:40 No.339900881
    >>339899069

    My stance on solipsism is that it is self-contradictory, therefore untenable.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:25:13 No.339900943
    op has low-tier philosopher knowledge
    everything is nothing, notihng is nothing, everything is everything

    that's all you need to understand and you'll know everything

    also speak in infinity, time is irrelevant always
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:27:32 No.339901197
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    These pretzels are making me THIRSTY!
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:28:20 No.339901265
    Your fortune: Outlook good

    why did you study the most beta of this world's carreers? don't you like to eat or something?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:30:27 No.339901501
    >>339901265

    I was interested in it.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:31:25 No.339901600
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    Your fortune: ( ´_ゝ`)フーン

    Is being (consciousness) a state of mind?
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:31:29 No.339901606
    Your fortune: Excellent Luck

    hello i are philosopher, i do nuttin but sit around all day, but i liek to think i am special and inteligents, using some fancy words and stuff. i hope i got your attention for a sec and maybe even your envy. please be envious? :(
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:32:43 No.339901749
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    >>339901501

    You should do something more fulfilling, like digging ditches or scraping dead animals off the road. Thats basically where a degree in philosophy will get you anyway.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:35:35 No.339902058
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    >>339899802
    >>339898490
    Language is a tool that is used for abstract thought. The thought is not in the language, nor is it reducible to the language, but rather the language is a tool used in constructing abstract though. Think of it this way, the Hammer is not the house, but the hammer is needed to construct the house.
    The individual words are invested with meaning (derived from mental content), and the syntax of the language gives us a tool that allows us to operate on the meaning of the words re-arranging them with other words and relating them to other words (which also have meaning. This fact allows us to join bits of our mental content to each other to creates new concepts, and thus new content. So once we take our intentional mental content (the content of our thoughts) and attach that content to words, we can then use syntax to connect the various thoughts to each other in various ways, and then communicate the different variations to each other.
    So the answer is that we Do not think IN language, we think WITH language. This is a background capacity that we have as human beings.
    As an aside language then allows for two other things, 1. we can give form to our mental content and 2. it allows for community lexicons which constitute the various languages (IE spanish and english). The language that you use contains within it words used to distinguish things from each other, which means that the language you now use contains within it all the distinctions that people have found to be worth making over the years, and it contains the result of all the conceptual development of past generations. Its like a sort of meta-memory which means that every new generation passively inherits all the conceptual work of past generations so that no new generation ever has to start from scratch
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:37:50 No.339902305
    >>339902058
    You should source the stuff that you take straight from a book...Because I just read that exact same paragraph out of my Sociology book.Sociology in the Changing World.
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:40:19 No.339902577
    Your fortune: Good Luck

    >>339901501
    hey and i am interested in spending half of my life at my lonely beach village just dozing off, and the other half just doing stuff i like. that's why i'm finishing my studies that will probably take me further than my mom's home where i lie in bed thinking "the house is not the hammer but you need a hammer for the house"
    >> Anonymous 07/10/11(Sun)06:43:21 No.339902923
    >>339902305
    Not from sociology, Philosophy of language here.
    That sociology book stole it from John Searl and J.L. Austin. Particularly the very cleverly named work by Austin,: Sense and sensibilia. I don't use sociology because that always fuck things up. If you read anything like that in a book they plagerized from Austin and Searle (also Davidson, Evans, Strawson and whole host of others)



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