>>207651872
Yes

>>207651872
yes

yes

>>207651872
Yes

no

>>207651872
Yes

>>207651872
yes

>>207651872
yes

>>207652154
5 against 1, you lose

yes

>>207651872
Yes.

>>207651872

Yes

>>207651872
yes

Just what i suspected...

>>207651872

yes

That would be yes, but many us are in favor of it. The government is fucktard ratbag and the douchenozzle wingnuts (especially the Tea Baggers) are tools of the wealthy corporations.

>>207651872
yes

samefag everywhere

yes

>>207652324
the game.

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssss

>>207651872
yes

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We don't want the government to control 6% of the free market because then we would be well on our way to being socialistfags. Pic unrelated.

Yes, we are. We already have Medicare. That is socialized medicine. I am personally just a greedy bastard that doesn't want to take care of some one else.

pretty much, that and the conservative party has filled their poor skulls with fear of the liberals and how liberals want to eat their children...

>>207652669
no
>>207651872
yes

no, they're Commies

>>207651872


yes

>>207651872
The American economy cant handle it, socialized healthcare is a job killer. And everything organised by the government is worse quality than what the private sector can make...and we dont want to end up like canada

no, liberals are retarded for thinking americans would ever think that liberals are trustworthy with our money

no, we arent retarded. we just dont like having to leave our own country for proper health care. we like having medical problems sloved/fixed not just medicated. ask canada why they come to america for treatment. research before posting amirite?

>>207652808
at least you're honest about being a jerk, kudos!

I am american and for public healthcare. Where is your god now?

>>207652978

>>we dont want to end up like canada


How come? Britfag here, I heard Canada had the best system in the world. Might be wrong though...

  ▲
▲ ▲

>are they retarded?

Short answer: Yes

Long answer: Yes

>>207652997

No, it's just that not all of us are okay with paying other peoples' medical bills through our taxes. We like to keep the money we earned.

>>207651872
lol canada's healthcare is pretty bad, much worse than the UK's

Yes

>>207652978
hurr durr... Sorry can you speak louder? I cant hear you over my amazing health care system.

>>207652794

see, this is the fucktardary that we deal with. "6%of the free market, we'll be socialiamists!" Cause Germany is disabled by its socialized medicine, or Japan, or France, or any other fucking industrialized nation. Without national healthcare, we put domestic employers at a competitive disadvantage (see, for example GM).

So,please die. Thank you.

>>207651872
higher taxes

yall are fucking stupid ass bitches

>>207651872
i love you man

>>207653552

Well the UK's doing pretty well with nationalised healthcare, as is France. I really think you'd be better off without privatised stuff but I guess you're more informed than I am.

Non-troll discussion in /b/? Is it possible..?

Yes.

/thread

Also hey, most Americans are retarded because of the already shitty socialized education system, not because of the health care.

>>207652997
Yeah, i'll look into that, mind if i look up your ass?

>>207652794

OP, your picture doesn't rhyme.

WTF?

>>207651872


yes

Nobody is argueing the fact that the insurance and medical entities are fucking americans over as a whole....

But the problem is that this isn't about fixing problems for the dems...that's all just an excuse.

What their REAL interest is, is giving another entitlement handout to niggers, white-trash, and illegals to buy their votes for the next election....and guess who ends up paying for it?

Oh, yea....that's right....Middle and upper class WHITE PEOPLE.....you know....the same people who as a whole actually WORK for a living and PAY into the system instead of LEECHING off of it and contributing nothing back.

Unless you consider going to prison in record numbers and abusing our welfare system as contributing.

The instant I head niggers running around labeling anyone and everyone that had a problem with free healthcare as "racists"....that told me everything I needed to know.

If you are for it, then you're probably a retard (and poor).

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>>207652794
doesnotworklikethat
>>207651872
yes

>>207654114
Help yourself. Ignore all the dead babies though, someone must've left them there I guess

>>207651872
yes

>>207653740

because the raping that health insurers give us is so much better than a consolidated and efficient national healthcare system.

The problem is most Americans don't travel and fail to realize that jerkwater countries like Brazil or Costa Rica have better healthcare for most citizens than the US.

sure does smell like samefag in here

yes. yes we are

>>207654472


Cool response

All the girls loved my British accent when I visited America. Shame they were all fat and stupid.

>>207654366
No, poorfags already get free healthcare. It's the lower-middle class through upper middle class who will benefit most from universal healthcare.

No they're not against healthcare, they're just against the current bill which is too bloated. Most Americans want them to start over and get a better cleaner bill.

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Its not the same as universal healthcare in other countries. Feels bad man.

Most Americans are, by nature, ignorant and extremely selfish.
They want their hard earned money to fund a new car, not a working class womans life saving operation.
They would rather have an Xbox 360 than give a regular person a new kidney or a blood transfusion.

They should probably just pass a bill saying that separate states can build their own NHS networks if they so desire.

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>>207654362
This poster speaks (basically) the truth - a little hate heavy mind you.

But yes, socialized *anything* is bad. Basically it's like this: the only reason to support socialized health care is if you think you'll get more out of it than you put in. Translated directly into english, you want the government to rob somebody for you, while simultaneously taking away their right to fight back. But if that wasn't enough, you also want everyone to believe you have the moral high ground in doing so!

WOW. Liberals are a bunch of faggots, eh??

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>>207654958

>>Most Americans are, by nature, ignorant and extremely selfish

citation needed

>>207652997
> ask canada why they come to america for treatment.

fgt

>>207654721
Stupidity is a good quality for womens to have.
Fat girls can't normaly make sammiches though, so never mind. American girls are useless.

because im not paying for your insurance. fuck you.

>>207651872
/b/... a new hope

>>207655097
this

We're all yes men. OH YES, OH OH JOHN, MMMM... YESSS

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>>207654514
healthcare insurance companies gouging us with their roughly 2% profit margin. gov't is what makes things so expensive now. only a fool would give gov't more control, costs will skyrocket, not decline like liberals would have you believe. hard to understand why american /b/tards would want to give ANY gov't that much control over it's people and their means of generating income. in that scenario, there are no more lulz.

>>207651872

They dont even know what it is thats why.

>>207652997
Canadians don't go to the USA for treatment... Rich people do.
The exploitative methods used by American health services mean that they can afford to charge much more and as a result have cutting edge treatment available. Only the rich can afford these services, and with the wealth disparity in the USA, that isn't a large percentage of the population.

>>207651872

Yes and why did i laugh at this? i am dissapoint

>>207652978

Your trollin right?

If your not your one dump muthafukka

>>207651872
well this was going pretty well... btw I've lived in the uk and america.... I lived in west virginia for 5 years and then i moved to cambridge england, there is no difference really. Both places have jerks, fat people, ignorant people, and normal people. This idea that we're all different is an illusion. American is equal to Britain.

>>207655635
Are you saying you don't know why /b/ tards want a free health care system that can not only diagnose, but cure things like carpel tunnel syndrome and the like for completely free...
YES FUCKING FREE. MOST /b/TARDS DONT PAY TAXES SO ITS FUCKING FREEEEE

yes

>>207651872

yes

>>207652978
>And everything organised by the government is worse quality than what the private sector can make

This is stupid.
Everytime when governmental stuff is privatized (like railway, post, etc), the same shit happens:
The prices go up, workers get fired or paid less and the quality goes down, BECAUSE those fucking private organizations' first goal is not to serve the people - which it should be - but their own profit. And 'being profitable' and 'being the best for the people' is not the same thing.

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>>207656088

I have lived in UK, Spain, Sweden, Denmark...
And UK does hardly represent European standards.
UK is probably one of the least functioning countries in Europe..

84% of all Nobel Prizes in Physiology or Medicine have gone to Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_in_Physiology_or_Medicine

So the REST of the fucking world benefits from the research done here in the United States.

So why is that important? Because if obama and his fucktards destroy our health care system then there will no longer be any incentive for people to do the research to further advances in medical care. After all with lawyers coming in and looting doctors money who is going to try new procedures or medicine?

So THINK before you fuck with things.

You are trusting assholes in government who never ran a business and couldn't be trusted to watch a pot of boiling water to make sure you and your family have good health care.

Are you retarded?

Socialized healthcare does not work. Never has, never will.

Just ask that british man (22 year old) that died from dehydration in your excellent English hospitals by lazy nurses.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1255858/Neglected-lazy-nurses-Kane-Gorny-22-dying-thirst-ran
g-police-beg-water.html

Amerifag here.

I am MOSTLY against socialized healthcare. On a WIDE scale that applies to EVERYONE, at least. We already have it. Medicare/Medicaid. Fix it, make it harder to abuse. That's all we need.

Socializing a large portion for the rest of the public will have a negative effect on the quality that can be afforded by the healthcare providers. We need more regulation to prevent scandals and insurance fraud/abuse by insurance companies, and keep it private in order to keep quality up and waiting lists down.


In Canada/Britain/Commonwealth, waiting lists are long. Many months can go by before you get your surgery. In Texas, I waited only a week between my orthodontic visit and my surgery to remove six misplaced teeth. The wait was so I could prepare, not because I was on a list.

People in America dislike expensive healthcare, while people elsewhere dislike long waits. A 'grass is always greener' effect, if you will. I will always state that private healthcare will always provide higher quality due to the innate effects of free market competition as it is. Unregulated, however, abuses on both sides of the market will occur.

because everything the government says is a lie

>>207652978

Yeah, private military companies could do better than America's military.

Oh wait, most outfit their soldiers with second rate Kevlar vests and AK-47's. They're like fucking dirty asian guerrilla armies.

>>207656531
By tearms of the NHS I'd like to say you're wrong.
I'm increadibly reliant on the NHS and it really helps as a student. In my area there is very rarely over a week wating period for a free visit to the GP, free counselling on a weekly period, operations have minimal waiting times and there are a large abundance of hospitals within 30 minutes drive, all of which never suffer from bed shortages.

The South East is the biggest problem for the NHS in the UK, it's pretty flawless in the north.

>>207656332

You are a fucking idiot. Please name ONE thing that has been moved from government to completely private control in the USA where what you claimed has actually happened.

Notice: private means the government does not set the rules or subsidizes the business.

The only time things get worse is when the government runs it: DMV, USPS, etc. etc. etc.

>>207656332

True

>>207653740

The democrat senators who aren't fucking pussies and Obama himself have said that it would hardly be a drop in the bucket compared to all the other shit we spend money on.

Yes

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>>207651872
You sir are an idiot :/

This is stupid.
Everytime when governmental stuff is privatized (like railway, post, etc), the same shit happens:
The prices go up, workers get fired or paid less and the quality goes down, BECAUSE those fucking private organizations' first goal is not to serve the people - which it should be - but their own profit. And 'being profitable' and 'being the best for the people' is not the same thing.

A good business should have a goal of serving it's customers if this is not the case then it is bad business, one of the best buissness men was henry ford find some of his quotes and find out what capitalism is really about

>>207656697


See, this is the kind of retard we have to deal with. He thinks that the research system is linked to clinical healthcare, which is what a retard would think. And he wouldn't realize that in Austria (where fucking prostitution is legal--WIN) healthcare is treated like a utility provided by government and it's awesome.

Feels bad that my fellow citizens are ignorant fucks.

>>207652794
You are now aware that the US military is the largest socialist program in the world.

>>207657642
You sir are an idiot :/

>>207656531
>>207656697

Go fuck yourselves

1 - We can't afford it
2 - We don't need it. Most people get adequate health coverage at a decent price, and we already have systems in place to help those that don't
3 - The system needs repairs, not replacement

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>>207656332
You are fucking stupid. Seriously.

It's exactly the same thing. People pay for what they want. If the government taxes your brains out so that they can hand deliver mail in chauffeured limousines and goldleaf envelopes, the quality of that service will decline if privatized, since people won't WANT to pay for the ostentatiousness out of their OWN pockets.

I'm exaggerating to make a point, which is this: the government adds nothing to modern medicine except choking regulations meant to keep spending under control which undermines the objectivity of doctors, and jacks up defensive medical spending through the roof. Coupled with terribly non-objective laws that ratchet up insurance costs which are ultimately passed onto us, the cost of medicine balloons into something far more expensive than it should be.

Two more points to be made. One, if private citizens couldn't pay for health care, neither could the government since that's where they get their money from. Two, nobody has a RIGHT to the products and services of other people. Medicine is not a right. Food isn't a right. Shelter isn't a right. You have the right to earn and keep these things, but you do not have a right TO them at the expense of somebody else.

Once again, all liberals are faggots. Thank you and good night.

the only good gov't program is a military

>>207656840

>>Many months can go by before you get your surgery

Only for a very small minority. Good to see someone who has a brain though.

>>207653348
Yet we're going there for our pills.
Personally, while I'm interested in the healthcare OPTION, I would also prefer to see pharma reform moreso. It's an industry built around treatment and avoiding cure at all costs.

>>207656697
Pitfalls in the system, everyone knows of the, they're going to happen. No system is perfect, but on average within Europe we have a longer life expectancy.

Now the 30 million in the states, who don't have health insurance, and the other 15 million who are not covered for 50% of other procedures. Heck that many people brings down your stats significantly.

If America has health reform I wouldn't doubt it will once again have the best healthcare in the world and will rival japan for life expectancy. But to those TEABAG people its not about the greater good it seems to be they feel they're being physically robbed.

Now anything that makes people act this way to a dude with parkinsons is fucking sick and idiotic. Fuck you teabaggers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ik4f1dRbP8

>>207651872
>Why are americans against socialized healthcare?

The Fear of SOCIALISM! Thank Joseph McCarthy for the reason why anything good that other countries have, we can't.

>are they retarded?

Yes

>>207658113

>>Food isn't a right. Shelter isn't a right

Heard of a thing called humanity? Fucking cunt

>>207658113
>Medicine is not a right. Food isn't a right. Shelter isn't a right.
In other, less selfish countries, it is.

>>207655635

what fucking planet do you live on?

Insurers are reaming us and top execs get paid multimillion dollar bonuses. Hospitals, on the other hand, operate at the margins you describe. They're different.

Anthem Blue Cross has been so profitable that, since WellPoint acquired it in 2004, it has contributed more than $4.2 billion to the parent company's bottom line.

Everyone has a right to basic health care fucktard

>>207658612
>>207658614


hivemind

>>207658113

I kinda agree, 99% of the population can earn to eat and shelter themselves, I'm not sure why they should have to pay to support the tiny percent that can't.

> I'm and american and money is the most important thing in the fucking universe hurrr durr durr
When it all boils down, this is why.

>>207657956

Um, no.

The latest Current Population Survey by the Census Bureau shows that there were 47 million Americans who were uninsured throughout calendar year 2006- more than the aggregate population of 24 states plus the District of Columbia. In contrast, in 2000, the number of uninsured people was 38.4 million; thus, the average annual increase in the number of uninsured people was 1.4 million.

Fast facts about the uninsured

* A closer look at the Census Bureau CPS data reveals that, 89.6 million non-elderly Americans were uninsured for at least one month or more during the two-year period of 2006-2007.

* Four out of five uninsured Americans are in working families.

* One out of five uninsured Americans is a child.

* Nearly nine out of 10 uninsured children come from families where at least one parent works.

* In more than half of all two-parent families with uninsured children, both parents work.

* Uninsured adults are more than 30 percent less likely than insured adults to have had a checkup in the past year.

* Uninsured women are two times less likely than insured women to have had a pap test in the last year.

* Uninsured adults are more likely to be diagnosed with a disease in an advanced stage. For example, uninsured women are substantially more likely to be diagnosed with advanced stage breast cancer than women with private insurance.

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wahaha he's fat

>>207658612
>>207658614

No, they AREN'T. You have a RIGHT to food? At who's expense? If I have food, which I planted, and harvested, and collected on my land, just how in the fuck am I obligated to give you any of it? Just because you don't have it?

No friend, they aren't rights. They are priveliges elevated to the status of rights which trample the genuine property rights of others.

>>207658612
Glenn Beck: Universal Education is not a right, you have to earn it.

That's right you lazy toddler, make some money before you bitch at me about teaching you how to count motherfucker.

>>207659256
I like this post, very much.

>>207659438
Wow, human evolution is going to take longer than I thought, I guess we should starve before we grow stronger!?!

>>207659438

I agree. And I'll go further. I say get rid of the socialized police force. if you can't protect yourself, fuck you. Which means I'm coming to your farm and killing you, raping your wife, taking your stuff, etc., cause I'm so bad ass.

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>>207659988


Enough, troll.

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>>207660273
Shuddup he's just a real conservative UNLIKE YOU COMMIE!

Fuck I am so sick and tired of hearing everyone tell me how bad our health care is in Canada. The worst is bullshit about wait times. You know who bitches about them? Cunts with the sniffles because someone shot in the face gets to go ahead of them. Fuck that.

More importantly, apparently it was good enough for this hypocritical twat.

>>207660273

what part of "/b/" are you not understanding?