the latter. and if anyone comes a knocking trying to collect mine, they be dead...

The Constitution is NOT a living document. As with all things, personal responsibility should be used with all things.

>>207285469

what about the proliferation of guns in high crime areas? if these kids just had bats, they might not be so bold

even if you removed every gun in America it wouldn't make the country any safer, people who want to kill will always find a way.

>>207285666

surely conditions have changed since it was written. the wisdom of 200+ years ago is going to have some limitations when applied to modern times

It's a right, but the problem is there are too many dumbasses that ruin it for responsible citizens. You can see what lawmakers are trying to do (make it so less people are murdered), but they fail to realize they're unarming citizens and criminals would just find another way to kill. I say felons get 50 years in jail if they're caught with a firearm for any reason. Murder is already illegal and they don't have any problem breaking that law.

>Gun control: where do you stand?

Stand with your feet in a comfortable position and get the target in your sights. When you feel steady take the shot.

Hope this helps.

I stand against the banning of weapons in general, criminals won't care if its illegal...

>>207284259
Where I live we have had 2 "amnesties" for firearms; both right after mass killings. The level of gun crime has diminished at the same rate as serious crimes in general.
Recently, we've had a couple of drug gangs killing each other. The favored method was the gun.
It looks like the old saying has some truth in it:
"when guns are illegal only criminals will have guns".
A recent newspaper article reported that pistols were selling for $5000 on the black market.

<--- one of mine, so guess...

>>207286242

True, they have. But once we start altering that document, we may as well start removing whatever amendments we don't like. The Constitution is our very life blood. It must not be tampered with.

Gun Control = Use both hands you dumbfucks!!

>>207286544

Most murders are committed by someone who knew the victim, not random street crime. Just locking up habitual criminals, while probably not a bad idea, isn't going to change this.

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England banned guns in 1997... from 1998 to 2005, deaths from handguns rose 340%.

Pretty much the same story everywhere else it's tried.

>>207286979

But it has been tampered with. This is part of its design.

As a gun owner, gun laws should be extremely strict, easier to trace, and just generally harder to get a hold of.

If we were really moving towards the banning of firearms, I would hope it'd at least be done on a state level. I'm not really a fan of the federal government being in charge of prohibiting things. Whatever happened to the reserved powers?

<--- come on guys just think about it...

Florida, the "original" right-to-carry state. They've had the right-to-carry law longer than any other state and guess what happened to their violent crime rate? You guessed it..again a HUGE drop, murder rate down 38% since the law was enacted. Compare that to the nation average which was only down 4%. But what about their ... See Morebattle cry, people legally carrying handguns will turn into blood crazed maniacs. Well, Florida has issued the most carry permits of any state, nearly 1.7 million of them, the revoke rate (which isn't necessarily for a violent crime) is 10 in 100,000. Now take a look at violent crimes committed by NON-permit holders, over 3,000 in 100,000 people. Hmm so permit holders are not only non-blood crazed citizens, they also tend to be MORE safe and law abiding then non-permit holders. Strange.

Protip: If guns are illegal, the only people with guns are criminals.

The only people with guns... are criminals.

Banning guns is IDIOTIC. We all have a right to defend ourselves.

>>207286979

Ammendments ARE alterations!

people should not be allowed to carry lethal weapons. But in America there are so many guns already that banning them would cause an enormous underground traffic to appear, so meh.

>>207287286

It's a start. There's no way to stop people from killing each other.

everybody with guuunss mothafuuucker

Yeah i got a question, how come none of those guns are pretty. They're all ugly black and brown. If you're going to use something to kill things or help you attain things on shelves why can't you do it with some style? Like someone should make a beautiful neon purple gun with flowers growing out of it except make it to the same caliber as an m95.

>>207287713

Part of the design? Okay, I'm going to have to research that before I get into an argument. I'll be right back.

>>207288524

Gun control is using both hands.

No felons should have guns. No people with a crime of ANY sort. What I mean by this is no Niggers or Spics.

I'm liberal but I love my guns like a bible thumping conservative.

I'll leave this here

I'm totally for gun control. We should do it the old American way: to keep guns out of the hands of the jews and niggers

Then we can lynch.

Why not just have a universal national carry permit, that way you arent guessing what laws are from what state. Plus its almost like the national registration that the anti gunners seem to want, just not as extreme. Plus they need to start making it so all states have to submit the mental health records to a national database to aid in keeping guns out of mentally unbalanced ppl

I think it's interesting so many people on here are so pro-gun, for lack of a better term. This doesn't seem like the kind of place that would draw that kind of crowd. Then again, maybe it does. Fearful people tend to hoard firearms and hang out on /b/?

only white people should have guns. so they can shoot the niggers, spics, and jews

>>207288848
Oh lawd there's more people in the US than in those countries xD

if you ban guns, then the criminals KNOW they are the only ones with weapons. If EVERYONE has a gun, that gook is gonna think twice before trying to stick up a liquor store. and getting his face blown off.

stop being such a pussy

guns are awesome

It's a waste of time. Guns are already illegal where gun crimes are worst. We have no idea how many guns are in this country.

I don't really care, if they ever get outlawed I'm going to be incredibly rich because I'll sell all of mine to the gangs and the mob. I can figure out other ways to defend myself and exact my revenge on people.

The International outlook on gun control...

Guns=WIN!

>>207285469

No they won't you fucking idiot. You'll cry and bitch and whine and then hand them over, diarrhea running down your trousers from nearly getting shot on suspicion of terrorism, and then you'll come onto /b/ and brag about how you just wasted six armoured marines, while intellectually fellating the pundits who entirely rely on you to be such an easily manipulated cock.

>>207289855
I don't really see the problem with the original poster.

There's too many fucking people on Earth.
There's too many fucking people in the US.
Most people are ants.

If anything, the death rates are lower than I'd hope.

>>207288722
that is the greatest thing i have ever seen. Someone should make a mod of that!

US Supreme court says right to bear arms means you get a gun.

>>207289667

The problem I always see with this line of thinking is that everyone WON'T arm themselves: some people just don't want to have guns around them. The "utopian" heavily armed society is a fantasy, so using it as justification to relax guns laws seems poorly thought out.

Gun control doesn't work. It just makes it more difficult for law abiding citizens to protect themselves.

The government doesn't need to take our guns by force. They can just shut off the electricity and water until we're killing each other for beans and toilet paper, and we'll be begging them to come settle our bullshit disputes.

<------------------ deeez mah bitches.

I know one thing... by the end of June, we should be hearing from the Supreme Court as to whether or not the 2nd amendment, and the INDIVIDUALS right to keep and bear arms applies to the states. That finding is a near certainty. After that... you can damn well bet that myself and every other gun owning American is going to spare no time, effort or expense in challenging
and overturning as many federal and state gun control laws as possible.

Lived in Arizona, open carry.

Guns help reduce crime.

"A mainland invasion of America would never work. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

Contributing. Guess it's obvious which side I'm on.

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>>207290666

even the hookers wouldn't take your money, huh?

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-death-rate-per-100-000

well would you look at that, the odds of someone dieing from gun violence are way higher in the southern states where gun rights are considered a big deal.

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>>207291073

Also: NIGGERS

>>207290277

If most people are ants, where do you think you fall.

Pic related

>>207290666

minez

>>207290974

what's that?

>>207291073

death rates per 100,000

Which is like six counties in South Carolina, and two blocks in Brooklyn.

>>207291672

ARFCOM?

>>207292215

D.C., Chicago, and NYC: what do they have in common?

Nations' highest gun crime/homicide/rape rate...

...and guns are illegal there.

If you want to know my stand on gun control, it's simple: Outlaw all private possession of firearms unless the person is part of the police or army, a hunter, or lives in a rural area.

>>207285666
>The Constitution is NOT a living document. As with all things, personal responsibility should be used with all things.

It is a living document because interpretation of the Constitution changes with the times.

There should be none for law-abiding citizens. Criminals will always be armed , its a fact.

Kinda like all those shootings in school zones , didnt the CRIMINALS see the GFSZ signs , with a gun surrounded by a big red circle and red slash through it? Oh wait , they probably did see it , silly criminals :/

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>>207292514

that would be the sticker, yes

I own 6 guns. I believe in the right to have guns to protect yourself. I also believe in gun education. Most of the shit I have ever encountered about guns is from people who have never seen/handled/fired one before, and they FREAK THE FUCK OUT. Whereas anybody who's had a gun education course or at the very least gone to the range with a friend would be like "oh cool, I shot a gun once, it was fun"

>>207291073
Only problem is they don't specify how many of those deaths are innocent ppl and how many of those are felons killed by a citizen defending themselves. If the death rate is 20 per 100000 but 15 of those are felons killed while committing a crime, it doesn't seem so bad to me

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>>207284259
>THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO SHOULD HAVE GUNS ARE THOSE WHO CAN GET THEM ILLEGALLY

>>207292658
The way I read it, the Constitution states that your mother is a whore, I own all your shit now, and your father is dissapoint at your faggotry.

>>207285829

It's nto about the people who want to kill, it's about the accidental deaths related to fire arms. Most people that own fire arms end up shooting their own friends or family, it is much more likely than them using it to defend against a robbery or intruder of any kind in their home.

>>207292807
I've read that the crime rates have dropped in areas where gun ownership was recently legalized, but I don't feel like I can trust the NRA as a source of information because they're so nutty about everything.

>>207293109
Shove it.

>>207292658

All males over the age of 16 are "part of the unorganized milita".

It is unclear if females have this same duty/right.

Guns are cool.

>>207292695

Most criminals that are armed are armed with legally purchased guns. Also, many criminals do not even have weapons, so try again.

the bottom line is guns don't kill people, people kill people. Most of the people who kill someone with a gun would just use another method if one was not available.
Also most criminals acquire guns through illegal means anyway.
And another thing, if guns were made illegal then there would be a huge underground market for them like during prohibition.
We also should not take away guns from honest americans who rely on them for self-defense considering that people who are a treat would purchase them illegally.

just my 2 cents

>>207285744
Yes they would.

Someone would come up witha new different cooler type of bat, maybe made of titanium or something, and then one of them would kill that kid for it, then the dead kids possy would get mad and go get all their bats and try to find the kid that stole the cool bat, and then they would do a drive-by trying to hit someone standing on the sidewalk that looked like that kid, swinging wildly from the car and hitting innocent pedestrians that have no idea why someone wants to kill them with a bat, and then the community gets all upset and they have a town meeting about how there are so many bats on the street, and then someone comes up with the idea to have a voluntary turn-in of all illegal bats, the church has to go on a fundraising drive to promote non-violence in the community and tell everyone how having a bat is wrong, and then enough people complain to Mayor Daley about how many bats are killing people, and he has to come up with county legislation to chase all of the bat dealers out of chicago, and then the aldermen need to raise property taxes to get more kickbacks from the condo developers because of all the extra complaint mail they have to read about all the different wards getting fed up with all the bat-related incidents in their communities, and then the federal obama government has give all the municipalities more tax relief to pay for all the new tactical body armor and night-vision the local police need to catch the bat dealers hanging out on the corner, in the bad parts of town......

And the moral of the story is.....................

I get taxed more. FUCK U anti-gun fuckers.
I say give'm bigger guns and free ammo. Let the animals kill each other.

go to /k/. fag

>>207293639
Yeah legally purchased guns that they have stolen

>>207293455
There are females who are part of the National Guard, and the Guard is the only known legalized militia.

And the only unorganized militia these days are the survivalist folk.

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>>207291672

lol liar.

It sickens me to even think that people can think of "reasonable" gun control. However I'm not going to argue with the pot smoking hipsters and faggots on /b/. That was be even less reasonable.

>>207293204

Well accidental deaths are 1) very few and far between (often this is a cover to enact race-based bans using economic discrimination), and 2) often the conclusion of shoddy police work.

Hundreds of guns are used to prevent crime every day in the US. There aren't hundreds of people being shot by accident every day.

This is /b/, OP can talk anything he wants here.

>>207293922

Legally purchased guns which they have stolen which would not be around if gun control was stricter.

Thank you for proving my point exactly.

>>207293717
my typo
"Threat"

>>207292658
>It is a living document because interpretation of the Constitution changes with the times.

Negative. Interpretation does not change with time. Only adding or removing amendments can happen. To date only 1 amendment has been removed from the Constitution of the USA and it required an amendment to do it.

Many civil rights were granted not due to interpretation but rather additions to the constitution.

The District of Columbia’s murder rate plummeted by an astounding 25 percent last year, much faster than for the US as a whole or for similarly sized cities. If you had asked Chicago’s Mayor Daley, that wasn’t supposed to happen. The Supreme Court’s 2008 decision to strike down DC’s handgun ban and gun lock requirements should have lead to a surge in murders, with Wild West shootouts. Everyone in DC now knows that murder rates rose after the handgun ban and fell after they were removed.

>>207293965

Read Heller v. DC. Unorganized militia is *ALL* males 16-65.

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>>207294129

Please show me the statistics proving that crimes are averted by guns. Every single study has shown that the inclusion of a firearm by a citizen escalates a crime, it does not prevent it. Where a burglar would not necessarily kill someone over a burglary, they would certainly do so if they felt their life was in danger.

Educate yourself plz

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>>207294226

Uh huh... wait, except that's bullshit. Roe v. Wade is not an amendment to the constitution but it redefined constitutional law anyways.

Why do I bother arguing with people that don't know shit about how their own government works

>>207294048

Wait, so no guns laws at all? That seems... ill considered.

>>207294197

It isn't as though they are all that hard to make. You can (make a crappy one) for less than $20 in material from Home Depot.

>>207294197
No instead they would import them from other countries and still have them you dumb fuck. Only an idiot would think that banning all guns from being made or sold in the US would stop it all, there are millions of guns around the world, they exist therefore we are fucked. Buy a gun and defend yourself.

I think you should be able to own the biggest fucking piece you can possibly have.

Guns should be unrestricted completely.

more innocent people die accidentally from gun posession than the amount of innocent lives saved by it

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>>207294624

This.

If you pull a gun you are statistically more likely to be injured or killed by your assailant.

It's a sad but true fact. So many people (especially here in the US) think they're tough shit cause they've got a few guns and they go to the target range a few times a month.

Then Mr. Nigger breaks into their house, they panic in the situation, Mr. Nigger sees that they are packing heat, and since Mr. Nigger is already used to life-or-death situations on the street, he panics and shoots first.

>>207294967

Generally the supreme court finds in favor of additional rights not *explicitly* written, of which there are many (this follows from Amendments 9 + 10, plus other parts of the constitution). The supreme court has yet to rule against an *explicit* right.

>>207295367
>>207295367

That proves nothing faggot. It proves the lack of knowledge of most gun owners. That's all.

>>207293639

Unless you believe somehow that outlawing guns will make them all disappear, you have to agree that once you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have guns.

I prefer to be given the freedom to own a gun and the responsibility not to use it in a crime. Just like turning my cell phone off when the flight attendant tells me to, and not raeping my neighbor's kids when she leaves them with me to babysit for a few hours. I don't like the government forcing me to be honest.

>>207295367

Bullshit.

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>>207295058

They would import them from other countries? Wow, you think most criminals are that fucking organized? What a joke. Since you know so little about criminals (you're talking to someone who majored in criminology and works for the PD) let me enlighten you, buddy: The burglar that breaks into your home is not a well connected mafioso, chances are he doesn't even know anyone in organized crime.

Don't believe all the movies you watch. You'll just end up embarrassing yourself in an argument!

burp

>>207294624
Every single study done by an anti gun organization proves that guns cause more crimes blah blah blah. And every single study by pro gun organizations proves that guns reduce crime etc etc etc. Who do you believe, they are both peddling their beliefs one way or another, they just find a group that is willing to do a study to back up their belief.

>>207295368

Why the hell do people think this is profound? No fucking shit, if you criminalize possession of an object everyone who possesses one is a criminal. Also, sky's blue.

Hey, I have an idea:

We should cut off everyone's penises so no one will get raped.

\very much like gun control

>>207293787
>George Bush with an L85

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Anyone who argues for gun control is a liberal.

Liberals are destroying this country and the world.

99% of you have no idea what a real liberal is and only know the bullshit "if you're not liberal you're conservative argument".


Gun control is universally bad.

>>207294197
>>207293922
Regardless , they would still come in from the border. Troll harder. like I said , criminals will always be armed. You could ban gun possession all day long , not going to matter , they are CRIMINALS they will be ARMED.
>>207295058
This exactly.


>>207293639

>>207295752
What police department? Cause they shouldnt have hired you. Prohibition proved that most people werent mafioso yet everyone seemed to be able to get alcohol.... odd. Yet that could never happen with guns......

>>207294624

http://tech.mit.edu/V114/N1/chung.01o.html

http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/anti-gun-propaganda/

>>207294967

We know exactly how the government works. That's why we are having this discussion. Free Speech rules.

>>207295639

I do believe that outlawing guns will make them more scarce. And what do you as a citizen need a gun for? If you're not hunting, you don't. You should call a professional instead of trying to be a vigilante. There's a much higher chance that you will murder your own wife your child by accident than an assailant.

You need protection from yourself, because you people are just plain dumb!

when we live in a utopian society where governments don't fuck you over, and insane wackos don't threaten your life and your family, I'll have no problem living without a weapon.
Until then, give me a mufuckin rocket launcher for home defense.

>>207294624
afaik there have been no unbiased studies on this topic. All have been undertaken specifically to prove that guns are bad, or by the NRA to prove that guns are awesome.

i think it'd be okay to get rid of all automatic weapons and handguns, but rifles and stuff should stay so we can still hunt.

I think most people have missed the real reason behind the 2nd amendment...so we can start another revolution if we had to. The main point was so that the people defend themselves from the government.

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>>207296429

Buying drugs from the mob /= buying guns from the mob. Big difference.

I'm not that guy, btw.

>>207294967
>Uh huh... wait, except that's bullshit. Roe v. Wade is not an amendment to the constitution but it redefined constitutional law anyways.

Nope, Roe vs. Wade did not change constitutional law in anyway. The only thing that has changed is the arguement surrounding abortion. Challenges to its use come from different ways. To date the entire arguement surrounds the woman's control over her body. This does not affect a state or federal government to restrict a procedure from being done to her though as noted by many locations that had forbidden abortion. Nor has the court been challenged on whether the embryo is considered a human or not and if so at what age.

Roe vs. Wade won't be overturned pretty much ever. But a new challenge can supercede the practice of abortion if declared constitutional.

>>207296618
hhhmmm wait 5+ minutes if you live in a decent size community for a cop, or take gun education classes and know how to take care of the problem yourself.....

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>>207295752
Are you fucking retarted? Why do they call it organized crime? You think they only bring drugs in?

>>207296429

Alcohol is consumed on a daily basis, and its primary intended usage isn't to murder people. You're comparing apples to oranges. Not very intelligent of you.

>>207296618
>>207296618

Self defense.

What happens when you're getting robbed, your life is threatened, and you can't wait for police?

What if you're under attack by an assailant that WILL kill you. Don't tell me people don't want to kill you. There are criminals where I live that will kill you for owning the house they're robbing. It's one less witness.

What if you're in a store that's getting robbed and the assailant starts shooting? You, not having a gun, can't do anything but pray and wait. If you had a CWP you could attempt to fire back.

What if you're hunting?

What if you're not hunting but want to protect yourself from animals?

I can argue for guns all day. Your argument is fucking illogical and wrong.

Most eurofags will agree that a golf club vs. a gun is a losing fight.

So what, ban guns from cops and civilians, and the government gets to keep theirs? Fuck that.

>>207296974

You don't understand, you DON'T know how to take care of the problem by yourself. Statistically you will do more harm than good to yourself and your family, and end up killed.

Stop thinking you're a superhero, because you're definitely not.

canadafag here.

Our gun control laws are very strict and have relatively few shooting deaths per year. However, people seem to be getting stabbed in Ottawa and Vancouver every other Tuesday. That said, guns level the playing field. A granny with a pistol has a much better chance of standing up to a mugger than a granny with a can of pepper spray or a knife.

ahem...
Gun Control is using both hands.

>>207296618

Um, yeah, how is that going to work. The cops are 5+ minutes away... if you can call them. Same thing with any other professional.

Cops are only there to figure out what happened *after* the fact. Then arrest people. YOU CANNOT SUE THE GOVERMENT FOR A FAILURE TO PROTECT YOU.

>>207295752

wow you're a fucking dipshit. LIKE CRIMINALS DON'T ORGANIZE TO IMPORT DRUGS INTO THE COUNTRY????? HURRRRRRR

>>207296939
Where there is money to be made, someone will step in to fill the demand. Greed, religion and thirst for power is some of the reasons we will never have world peace

>I do believe that outlawing guns will make them more scarce. And what do you as a citizen need a gun for? If you're not hunting, you don't. You should call a professional instead of trying to be a vigilante. There's a much higher chance that you will murder your own wife your child by accident than an assailant.

Professionals come to clean up the mess. They do not stop you from getting stabbed, mugged, or raped. They file the report and try to catch the person. Vigilantism is when you go out and try to catch the criminal. Not when you're trying to defend yourself.

If I was a dictator, only shotguns are single bolt action rifles for hunting would be legal.

But as a Californian citizen, I think its lame that we can't buy legit AK47s D:

>>207297472

Show me the statistic. I heard that this was bullshit at least 10 years ago.

Also, guns are used to deter domestic violence... maybe this is the family stuff that you are talking about?

>>207297299

>protect yourself from animals?

>>207289304
maybe that is because your "crowd" is an extreme minority then?

2A. Thou shall not infringe....

Hi guise
Because I am the shooting spree world champion, my cuntry changed its gun laws

I killed 35, wounded 19 and I'm still alive

if, for some reason, your government goes down the shitter and becomes evil...it's nice to know people have guns and can try to revolt

>>207297065
Agreed.

Crim Major , PD Iknorite? hurr durr.

>>207296618
>>207296618

Just the other day 4 people broke into a guys house with high caliber assault rifles (AK-47 for you because you won't understand) and he killed them all with a shotgun. You think they wouldn't of killed him and his wife?

The point is, you're defending yourself. In a life or death situation I choose life. I'd rather die fighting than live on my knees. If someone points a gun at me I'm going to make a conscious effort to kill them.

>>207297299

Statistics say you're wrong. The vast majority of burglars will not attempt to put your life into danger unless you yourself are threatening them with a weapon. That is why everyone knows the best advice when being burglarized is to not confront the burglar and attempt to contact the authorities.

I know you are having an emotional response to this, but I can assure you you will do more harm than good with a weapon.

Seriously, the entire concept behind an armed population was that should the United States need to defend itself in war, the people would be armed and ready to fight. Secondary was the ability of the people to resist with arms their own government, especially if it became tyrannical.

Since we're JUST about there, and no, it's not Obama, but a steady progression, I'd have to think that any gun control policy isn't for any stated purpose but simply to keep the people from rising up against the ruling class.

Simple resistance against unjust laws doesn't take armed response. But the truth is that with growing regularity, even the simplest of protests are resulting in overwhelming demonstrations of force. The government should fear the people, not the other way around, and I absolutely encourage open carry in states that permit it (and even states that don't) in any protest, as it is time to remind the powers that be that while the courts dither with the 2nd amendment and what it means, the PEOPLE know exactly what it means, and it is their ruling that will ultimately decide the issue.

Our 2nd Amendment rights as US citizens grants us the right to own and bear arms, not for hunting, but in the case of an abusive government that has grown beyond the will of its people (British Empire). This right will never die, if it does, expect shitstorms to fly across America.

tl;dr America will never lose its guns

My stance has always been you can have all the guns you want.

So long as you make your own ammo, just like when they created the law back in 1789.

The gun enthusiasts would probably have no problem. The lazy and illegally minded fucks would. Hence it would work.

i think people should have automatic gun turrets in their homes. They have to designate in a computer who gets shot on sight or what hours the premises is off limits, and post warning around their house. If a person decides to trespass its their own fault if they get dead.

Stores would have the same setup.
Regular citizens wouldnt need guns anymore if all the guns were taken away. Since thats impossible, give the trustworthy people guns and make the process more difficult for people who want to carry illegally.

>>207297892

Never been hunting or hiking. Where I live you need a gun to protect yourself from bears. Those fuckers will charge you for being within 900 feet of their cubs.

>>207297541

How many thousands of Mexicans (+ south americans) illegally cross into america every year?

And a Mexican needs 1) air, 2) water, 3) food, 4) some ac. A gun will be just as happy being smuggled in your fuel tank.

Firearms are tools and nothing more. Same as a knife, a hammer, a drill, whatever. It's the intentions of the person holding them that decides how that tool is used.

A general ban on guns is like banning sports cars for everyone because they are more deadly in the hands of teenagers. Just because some people fail to use them properly, doesn't mean everyone should be punished. The blame is being misdirected.

Instead of worrying about banning guns, we should worry about the people that use them improperly. Why do they do it and how can we correct their behavior? The problem lies with them and not the firearm. If they are truly determined to injure another human being, they will find a way to do so no matter what tools you legally ban from their possession.

>>207297112
Not really, it just proves that criminals are capable of organizing enough to get the job done and defeat the purpose of the law, same with our ever so successful war on drugs. Criminal know guns exist and know that it gives them an advantage over most people, so they will go get them some how, some way

>>207293965

You are clearly a cumdumpster because you didn't register for "Selective Service" like all men 18 and over ARE REQUIRED BY FEDERAL LAW TO JOIN. What is it we join? An unorganized militia that can be conscripted by the government.

Stupid people like you, who make bold statements without knowing WTF they are talking about, is the problem, not guns.

>>207297892
you do know wild animals live in the united states right? there are coyotes around here up to 120 pounds with no fear of humans.

COME AND TAKE IT DON'T TREAD ON ME

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>>207298201
thank you anon. it couldn't have been said better any other way.

>>207298128
>>207298128

Are you going to let statistics tell you whether you're going to live or die?

Statistically you have a 1 in 6 chance of dying in a game of russian roulette.

Similar, no? Would you be willing to bet your life on those statistics? Didn't fucking think so. Shut the fuck up.

>>207298128

I'd rather have my guns ready in case "statistics" decide to go the other way on me

>>207296618
Yeah argue that with the nigger that breaks into your house , and is reaming your asshole while the "professionals" are minutes away. This isnt a fucking fairytale eutopia we live in today.

if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have them etc.

If they enact gun control can I still own a sword???

>>207287805

HOLY FUCK AN ANON USING ACTUAL STATISTICS TO BACK UP HIS CASE.

MY HEAD MIGHT EXPLODE

>>207297566

Not saying the mob won't sell guns, just saying that the people seeking mind altering substances are different from the ones who want weaponry. The only reason I bring that up is the other guy said people still bought booze during prohibition despite not being affiliated with organized crime. My point is that buying drugs illegally is a whole different ballgame than buying guns illegally.

>>207298128

Statistics also say most of the criminals can be dissuaded by you having a gun. Only a very few of them escalate from there and try to get shot.

The US constitution is 200 years old.
It took no account that most gun murders would be domestic crimes.
They didn't know that dickwads would be leaving them lying around for children to blow their heads off with, or that there would be movies making guns cool.
They never pictured gangs with automatic weapons controlling the streets.
Nor did they ever dream that arms manufacturers would become so powerful they would have a say in government itself.

People have to move with the times and not be tied to a bad decision made 8 generations ago.

How many people die from bear attacks and how many people die because some nigger got there greasy nigger hands on a gun.

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>>207285744
You honestly think that criminals will go through the trouble of obtaining a legal gun just so they can shoot someone and then go to jail? Fuck no! They're going to get it as fast and easy as possible.

when seconds count, the police are only minutes away

>>207299058

here's a chart

if you make guns illegal then only criminals will have them. if there was a way to make guns completely nonexistent i'd be all for that. fuck you hunting fags

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>>207298499

You're using the term "criminals" to describe a large group of nonuniform people. I promise you that the average criminal that you will run up against in your mundane life is not a mastermind, and there is a good chance that they have little to no connection with any form of organized crime.

The average burglar is the same race as you, probably lives in the same neighborhood or very close to you, and is probably between the ages of 18 - 28. Furthermore, if they have a gun, they probably got it from stealing it from their parents or a friend who purchased it legally, which wouldn't be the case if guns were illegal.

Believe it or not, I don't care, but if you have a gun there's a much higher chance you will use it on your loved ones. Don't say I didn't warn you when you get put in jail for manslaughter and have to live with murdering a spouse for the rest of your life.

>>207294624

Bullshit. Show me one study where guns have a net increase in crime. Oh wait, you can't.

>>207298566

Where are you? I hear coyotes around here all the time, and coydogs, too.

>>207299204
>>207299204

Exactly. The "Just like a wop to bring a knife to a gun fight" moments deter most criminals and are the reason most robberies fail. Minus getting filled with .45 ACP by some guy in a nice white suit when you walk out your door.

Most robberies are done by unarmed/lightly armed criminals. They expect you to react scared so they have control. When you pull a fucking 12 gauge with 00-Buck and start shooting they're high tail the other way.

guns are for pussies with no honor imo

Saying that guns kill people is like saying pens misspell words, dumb ass people.

>>207299204

No. No they don't. I'm sure you got your information from a very colorful graphic, but my information comes from criminology and statistics coursework.

As a free human being I have a God given right, not privilege, to defend myself.

The law be damned.

>>207296618

You fool slave.

>>207299058

thanks, i think :)

>>207293204
LOL wut? I know what you mean, but if you're not careful with your words you end up saying something silly. Also, that is exactly why I support safety/education.

>>207299670

Appeal to emotion.

If I'm shooting, my first concern is to protect my wife/kids/dog/whatever. I'd make sure they were safe and then deal with the problem.

Then again, I'm one of the few people who've trained for home invasions and already know how to react. I can have my sec shotgun loaded and ready to fire within 3.2 seconds of my door being kicked in/window being broken.

the second amendment exists only so the people have the power and means to overthrow a corrupt government, and if they try to take that away from us, that means that the government is corrupt, and needs to be overthrown

>>207299820

Most robberies succeed, actually. Only 8% of burglaries is a suspect ever apprehended for, and only 12% of robberies do they ever link to a suspect. When the citizen attempts to resist the robbery there is a higher rate of mortality involved.

Sorry, but you've received faulty information.

>>207300541

amen, people often forget that is the purpose, not crime fighting or hunting.

>>207299670

Um. Once again, show some statisics about this. You keep asserting that you will kill your own family members... but this isn't shown. It isn't even all that logical.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. - C.S.

>>207299184
Yes buying drugs is different than buying guns, but the main point was someone would fill the demand for guns, just like the mob filled the demand for alcohol.

>>207300805
>>207300805

Doubt it. Higher rate of mortality is due to the home owner blowing the fucker to bits when he walks through the door.

>>207294226
wrong it's called an informal amendment, it's the interpretation is decided by congress and no formal paperwork is needed. study your own government it's your resposibility ignorantfag

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>>207300805

Um. How many succeed/fail?

Being apprehended is not the same thing as being scared off because the clerk waved a shotgun in your face.

>>207300401

That's why it's called an accident, buddy. I didn't say you were going to purposely shoot your wife or son. You will hear a loud noise, panic, grab your gun, go shoot a figure that moves in the dark that you think is a burglar, and it will have accidentally been your wife.

Or your son will find your gun, think it is a toy, discharge it and kill their best friend.

There are plenty of accidents that can happen with fire arms.

Gun control only keeps criminals safe. It's highly unlikely that someone is going to register the weapon they use to rob/murder someone.

If the government actually got rid of all the guns, then the criminals would rob and kill people with knifes. Then what? Are you going to ban knifes? Then people will start robbing and killing with sharpened sticks. Then what? Are you going to ban sticks?

>>207301379

There are plenty of accidents that can happen by you walking outside.

Your point?

>Americans thinking some piece of paper written 200 years ago is still relevant and gives them "rights"

>>207300882
>>207300541

This.

>>207301379

there are plenty of accidents by people walking their doggy

I have no problem with anyone using a gun as long as it's for defence of self and not of property.

So if you shoot an unarmed intruder, you do time.

>>207301288

Those are for reported crimes, which may skewer the results to have a higher than average success. I can't find the exact statistic and I don't want to make something up (like most of the people in this thread seem to be doing)

>>207301637

adding to that, if you've ever shot a gun around someone in your LIFE you'd know the first thing you check is what you're aiming at.

We were always taught to only point at what you intend to kill. Identify, dispatch, move.

>>207300970

But just because a person would obtain a gun illegally by stealing a legally purchased gun, doesn't mean they'd buy one from organized crime. They probably wouldn't, because if the person was relying on stealing a friend/family member's gun they probably don't have criminal contacts.

>>207301644

A piece of paper cannot give people rights, and nobody claims that it does.

"Constitutional rights" is a misnomer because rights are God given.

The Constitution simply recognizes them.

ITT:
1) People who figure it is their "civic duty" to stop/deter crime.

2) People who think they will shoot themselves or their wife.

you know, I hate to be the one to throw logic into politics, god forbid, but most criminals acquire their weapons illegally, so limiting gun rights won't reduce gun related crimes, it will only cause law abiding citizens to be defenseless in events such as a home invasion

>>207301994

Why? He's on my property and threatening my life. You think I'm going to wait for him to brandish his weapon and kill me?

Liberal. Don't you have coffee to be drinking at some starbucks?

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The irony is that most criminal justice programs are anti gun in general, and use the statistics of the anti gun organizations. Why you might ask??? Cause if everyone defended themselves, you wouldn't need the police. Its called job security.

>>207301637
>>207301728

Oh man, you just made me laugh.

Yes, walking your dog or walking outside is equally as dangerous as keeping a fire arm that you have not been professionally trained to use in your house.

This is your argument?

this is what happened in england, although there is still an underground gun trade, murders and robberies with knives increased dramatically after the gun ban

170,000,000 PEOPLE HAVE DIED, MURDERED BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT IN 20TH CENTURY ALONE.

That's no typo, 170,000, 000 people kill on purpose by their own government.

So sorry if I don't completely trust my life and safety blindly in it's hand