No. GTFO.

Lol. Just lol.

If god is perfect, can he create a trench so big that even he can't jump over it?
Fuku

>>199711344

Proof of god or GTFO

What's that herb, that one in that song? Parsley, _________, Rosemary and Thyme?

Go to Hell. Save me a seat.

who created god?

Funny that your a christian and your boss is jewish. ha! you suck!

Proof that anything supernatural exists

And what, you're claiming that you're any better?

Either way neither group has any fucking proof, which makes you all idiots for arguing about it as if you actually know.

notanathiest; apathist. I don't know and don't care at this point. Enjoy your life of faith, op. ^_^

i bet the pay sucks

There are tons of religions. Why is yours right?

I declare that you have down syndrome, churchfag.

successful troll OP

Can restrictions on what believers can see/do/think about/believe be seen as forced ignorance. If so, how can this be a positive thing?

>>199712254
>>199712254
>>199712254

the burden on proof lies on the theist because they are the ones making the positive accertion. Read on some logic b4 you post shit like this moronfag.

jesus is based on every other religion that pre-dates him...
horus, of egypt... over 3000years prior,
born to a virgin mother, on december 25, there was a bright star shining in the east, he was later crucified and resurrected 3 days later.

bible is nothing more than copypasta.

maybe you should find a new hobby.

What is your opinion on Pascal's bet?

Do you know the difference between the Christian god and the cosmic deity?

>>199711973

OP here.

God is ominpresent and omnipotent.

This meaning he's always been and will always be. He's all powerful and all loving. No one "created" God. He's simply always BEEN.

I don't know if your brain can wrap around that idea (it's a hard one in general) but it's the truth.

what makes you so sure that the bible is right?

>>199711544
no.

>>199711973
he always was; think outside of space and time.

>>199712658
That section of zeitgeist was poor. It inaccurately said something which everybody already knows (well, everybody outside of America), i.e. the link between Christianity and paganism.

KILL CHRISTIANS

>>199712772
>jesus
>ginger

>>199712643

True, but that does not change the fact that both are beliefs wholly reliant upon faith based on absolutely no evidence.

Athiesm says "I don't see proof of it, therefore I don't believe."
Religion says "I don't see proof against it, therefore I believe."

Neither is based on any sort of noncontroversial proof or evidence.

Therefore, both conclusions are not founded upon a really firm premise.

OP is going to Hell

>>199712452

OP here.

Yes there are tons of religions, but Christianity is correct because Jesus died on a cross for our sins. He got rid of original sin by dying for you AND me and cleansing us.

As I stated before, there are tons of religions. NONE however, have the same story as Christianity (Bill Maher was actually scolded a lot by making that poorly researched claim in his idiotic movie "Religulous")

Jesus is and will always be. The sooner you atheists ACCEPT him, the happier you'll be. There is an afterlife and millions of miracles throughout the world support that.

Also, nothing doesn't come from nothing. It's basic physics...

So by simply a faith perspective and a logical perspective there MUST be a higher being.

Do you finally get it now?

>>199712984
why?

>>199712984
>implying god exists

OP, instead of trying to shove your religion on other people, why dont ya' just KEEP IT TO YOUR FRIGGIN SELF!?

>>199711344
Why should good people who do not believe in God, or simply do not believe in your God go to a place of eternal suffering? Or if you're not that kind of Christian, be denied eternal bliss?

And "you can't really be good without God" is not a proper answer unless you can explain to me why it is true without resorting to the Bible or any religious texts.

>>199712984

>I don't know if your brain can wrap around that idea (it's a hard one in general) but it's the truth

Oooooh am I hearing some condescension and arrogance from this christian?

>>199713810
i havnt watched zeitgeist or watever yet and i still knew that. every religion is basically the same shit OP

>>199712984
oh, you mean like how the matter that makes up the universe always has been?

>>199713739

Then God's not perfect, dickface. Think about it.

>>199714062


Athiesm says "I don't see proof of it, therefore I don't believe."

that's called rational skepticism and makes a fuckton more sense then the alternative.

"Invisible pirates are responsible for the water slowly disappearing from this glass!!"

I don't see proof, therefore I believe it!

>>199712984
This is incorrect. You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

The Christian god is markedly mythical. It was the jewish patron deity. It did not create the universe out of nothing. There was darkness and chaos, the god of the old testament merely bought light and form.

You are the worst kind of Christian: One who hasn't got a clue about their own religion.

How can god be omniscient and omnipotent at the same time? If he knows everything, he knows when and how he'll intervene in human affairs. But if so, it means he can't change his mind, and is therefore not omnipotent. Otherwise, god is not omniscient.

Explain that, irrational faggot OP.

>>199714194
Strange how people still believe in something so silly like miracles, how old are you man?

If god is all powerful and all loving, why did he create the most cancerous and terrible creatures in the universe?

Hmmm, 5/10

>>199711344

If God exists why does the pope need a bulletproof car???

>>199712984


OP here.

The Universe is ominpresent and omnipotent.

This meaning it's always been and will always be. It's all powerful and all loving. No one "created" the Universe. It's simply always BEEN.

I don't know if your brain can wrap around that idea (it's a hard one in general) but it's the truth.

>>199714062
Wrong.
Christianity takes something which can't be proved and builds a whole belief system around it.

Atheis simply doesn't believe something that can't be proved. It does not draw conclusions based on the non-existence of god. If it did, it wouldn't be atheism, it be theism based on the theory that there is no god.

Dur.

>>199714194

>Christianity is correct because Jesus died on a cross for our sins.

That statement is logically fucked up.
Stating a belief as a fact and claiming that that fact is the reason that your belief in said fact is circular reasoning.

>>199711344
so far you have only aswered two questions OP. with very poor answeres at that. gotta do better

>>199715154

This man is correct an omnipresent, omnipotent God wouldn't let his best cheerleader get shot.

Jesus is the legitimate son of God if He is the one foretold by the prophets.

The problem is, you cant establish the legitimacy of the prophets. Let me give you an example:

Take the greatest of all the prophets, Moses. Moses wrote of the flood in genesis. There was no flood that covered the entire Earth. There was NEVER a flood that covered the entire Earth. Either Moses made the shit up (prophets dont lie) or Moses got his shit wrong (Prophets cant be wrong). So Moses can not be a prophet.

Now before you go and dismiss the book of genesis as an allegory and something we shouldnt take literally. I want to remind you that the very first convenants God makes with man are in genesis (the covenant with Abraham, the covenant with Noah..etc).

So if Moses isnt a prophet then all the shit that he predicted (such as the messiah) are all bullshit.

ok troll, I'll bite.
if god is omipowerful, and therefore knows everything that everyone and everything will do in the universe right it's very beginning, this must include god as well. therefore everything that will happen is objective and unavoidable, but as well as this but god has not control over any event within the universe's history or even his own. therefore god is not omipowerful in any case, either because he does not know objectively what he will do, or because he lacks control of anything because of this objective knowledge. =]

smoke weed everyday

i'm not an atheist, i'm actually a firm believer that there is a god, but you can't honestly think you're right can you? i look at it like this: in science we change or theories based on our understanding AT THE TIME, which is why our theories develop over time. i take the same approach with religion. a book written thousands of years ago can't possibly give any modern person sufficient moral guidance, it's just too outdated. so throughout my life instead of asking someone to tell me what my relationship with god should be, i let my faith develop as my understanding of the world does. The fact that you would call atheists delusional is ridiculous. youre attacking a demopgraphic of people that base their lives on fact, whereas you base your life on guesswork and outdated instructions. LUL UR A JOKE.

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>>199714475
Why does no one ever answer my question? Is it because they can't without saying "CUZ GOD SAID SO?"

blah blah blah

everyone in this thread is an idiot, congratulations

Answer me this OP...


You say christianity is the right religion? How do u know this, there are ALOT of massive religions out there how do you KNOW for sure that they arnt right? You only believe christianity is right because as a child or at some point in ur life u were pointed towards it, or it was there at the time... Had u grown up else where u would believe in another religion and believe it was the right one


And secondly if someone is a good person, doesnt sin or anything but just doesnt believe in god for there own reasons, will they go to hell? Dont they deserve eternal bliss even if they didnt believe in it..?

Taoist here

Religion with biased opinions is bullshit.

miracles every day, huh?

Why is Jesus always depicted as white when it is historically impossible for that? Also, was he a good carpenter?

Whay don't you keep your dumbass religion to yourself?

Also, you are dildos.

Why is the burning flesh of animals pleasing to him? (Lev 1:9)

>>199714475
>>199714475

Im not op, but ill answer your question based on christian dogma. Jesus outright says that the gentiles who do not know God will not be doomed to hell. The gentiles being everyone who isnt a jew. Where modern christians got the "if you dont beleive youre going to hell" thing I have no idea, its not in the bible and its absolutely not the words of Christ.

>>199715154
OP here. I guess you're right. I guess I've wasted over 25 years of my life. Imma go hang myself like Judas nao.

>>God is omnipresent

Explains how he's always been.

>>God is omnipotent

Explains how he created the world

Man-->sins

disrupts the natural world

Jesus saves us

Yeah the Bible isn't what we would consider "normal" in today's standards. But than again today's standards wouldn't be considered "normal" in the Middle Ages. or even before.

Jesus is real though. It's just so blatantly obvious...I feel sad for you Atheists who always have to feel like disproving his existence. LOL @ proof right there God is on your mind....LULZ

>>199711344
You're going to hell, if God is real then no one has been worthy of gaining entry into heaven yet. He put down these "rules" and they are so incredibly hard to follow to the dot that everyone that has ever existed is burning in the pits of hell. Think about it.

>>199714768
>>199715506
Come on, OP. I challenge you, roundly.

>>199716458
ALOT is 2 words.

here, ill fix it for you > A LOT

>>199711344
How does it feel to know that your shitty religion is a sect of judaism and you pray to a jew, have a jew idol as well?

>>Churgoer for 25+ years

The public education system, hard at work.

Why does god give a shit whether we believe him or not? What does he have to gain from it?

>>199712639

You seem to have skipped over my question.

Where did dinosaur bones come from?

jewish carpenter? since when jews been good with their hands other than grabbing their necks, gasping for air

>>199717272

its called forgiveness.

miracles every day

successful troll is successful?

Wow you guys are stupid.

>>199714687

Lawl I'm not arguing with the fact that it makes more logical sense.

But the fact still remains that atheism is the belief that a lack of proof for god constitutes proof that he does not exist.

That's still based on faith.

Lots of things were doubted until evidence came out that they were wrong.

Think of early european astronomy; it wasn't just the christfags who fucked that shit up.

omnipotence and omnipresence apparently aren't worth shit then, huh?

Not OP, but to the guy who mentioned the book of Leviticus, Jesus actually condemned that book of the bible, and having read it, I have decided to stick with jesus's opinion on it, although some of it's laws are pretty lulzworthy "thou shoult not have sexual relations with your mother" or "though shalt not consume animals without split hoof that do not chew the cud" srysly, WTF is this shit?

>>199717885
>implying God isn't the world's biggest troll
If God exists, then he can either be the nice sincere one everyone believes in, or he can be the douche that likes being HARDCORE. You can't deny either one.

>>199711344

Hey OP, I've read that dadoes can be cut for joinery using either a router or a table saw... can you check with this carpenter boss of yours and see what he recommends?

When oh when will NPR put on a "carpenter talk" show for people like me?

>>199717549
>>199717549

Christianity is not a sect of judaism. Thats just plain ignorant. Jews beleive the messiah is forthcoming and when he comes he will restore the world back to them. Jews beleive Christ may have lived (or maybe he didnt they dont care).. he said some wise stuff, or it was attributed to him. They regard Christ about how you would regard Buddha or Mohammed w/o being Buddhist or Islamic...Some wise guy that said shit but that doesnt pertain to your beleifs.

Christians beleive Christ was the messiah. They beleive in the resurrection of Christ and the forgiveness of sins by Christ. They beleive in the divine trinity, the holy ghost, the Christ, and God are all three the same thing but different (im serious). Jews beleive none of that.

What's it like being such a bad troll, OP?

>>199715506

Then you should be an apathist my friend.
Why make an absolute statement that he does not exist instead of simply stating that we don't have a way of knowing?

If God is all-powerful, does that mean he had the capacity to create a world with free will, but without the urge to sin (eg by destroying satan completely rather than sacking him), and if so, why did he not do so?

If Jesus asked you to suck his cock and swallow
would you agree?

How can free will exist if we're all part of God's plan?

Can all athefag answer me this:
You don't believe in god, but lets say hypothetically, god presents himself to you, undeniable, would you follow his rules, knowing if you didn't, you would go to hell?
This is to ALL on this thread.

>>199715218
OP here.

EBM is ominpresent and omnipotent.

This meaning hes's always been and will always be. It's all powerful and all loving. No one "created" EBM. He's simply always BEEN.

I don't know if your brain can wrap around that idea (it's a hard one in general) but it's the truth.

>>199711344

wow your pay must suck

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>>199717105
Right, and some Christians believe that those people will be doomed to purgatory forever. How is being denied eternal bliss any better than being sent into eternal punishment? I mean, you could realistically say that Hell is simply the lack of God in purgatory.

What kind of God would send good people away?

if god only made adam and eve then why are we not all retarded inbreds?

>>199712984
Way to be meek, you fuckface

>>199719014
>I don't know what the Old Testament is.

>>199719137
God is enjoying the show.
He has been fapping for many millenia now.
Fapping to our suffering, using blood and tears as lube.

>>199719403

he has.

>any question about god

have you seen, heard from, spoken to, or been indefinately influenced otherwise by him?

oops

>>199719071
I didn't say he doesn't exist. I said he can't be proved. So it's dumb to build a belief system around it.

>>199719245


well in that case, then it would have been proven beyond doubt that it exists. I would then have no reason not to believe.

>>199719245
If it turned out The Matrix was real would you join the resistance?
That scenario is infinitely more plausible the existence of a God, nevermind a God consistnt with your beliefs.

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>>199718243

atheism is not based off of a lack of proof of god, its based upon proof to the contrary. Christians believe that god created the earth, but science has proven that all planets are formed through planetosis. Christians belive that god created all animals as they are now, 6000 years ago, but science has proven that lifeforms gradually change to adapt to their biome. As for the 6000 years bit, ever heard of Mesopotamia? Indus River civilization? China?

>>199712984
>all loving

then 'splain hell, nigger

why does god hate amputees

srs question:
Where can god touch you?

>>199719700

This is what I have come to believe.

If God exists, which he might not, he's up there laughing his asses off and making us all fuck around and fuck each other and ourselves and try to live our measly little lives for nothing but his amusement.

Also...? I know more about this shit than you do I think op.

Learn2apologetics more.

Used to be a christfag before I realized that it makes no fucking sense, god was never there, and that this whole time I've been wasting my time trying to follow the blind who were following the blind who were following the dead and blind who were all basically trying to follow someone dead so long ago that even the writings from shortly after his death are so easy to interpret in a bunch of different ways that it's useless.

>>199719245

Incontrovertible demonstrable repeatable evidence by 10:30 PM EST, or GTFO forever.

>>199711344
what is a "churgoer"? also sage the troll.

why did god create sin

>>199719649
>>199719649

Youre right the old testament is the Jewish Torah (being the first five books written by Moses) the chronicles of the first kings, the first judges, etc... But if youll look at the THREE THINGS I LISTED those are the things that you must beleive in order to call yourself a christian. You DO NOT HAVE TO BELEIVE in the old testament. You could think Moses was a senile old man and you would still, technically, be a christian.

Do you see the difference here? A christian (of any sect, except non-trinitarianisms) must, by definition, beleive at least those three things. Now other sects (like catholics) pile more shit on top (like transubstantiation in the case of catholics). Jews DO NOT beleive any of those three things.

Dont let the fact that some jewish books are in the bible confuse you. In fact the Koran has some jewish books AND some christian books (having come about later than both) but that absolutely DOES NOT make muslims either jewish or christian.

>>199719245
Probably. If the vision was credible. What's your point?

if 4chan exists how can god?

>>199719245
>>199719245

Stupid thing to say, the reason athests dont believe is because they cannot see proof...
If god showed himself in an obvious way and not just some guy claiming to be the son of god who can do some magic tricks then obviously any atheist would believe instantly

>>199711344
Ok douchebag.

How many prayers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

Where did Cain's wife come from?

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>>199720538
So yes? That's the point.
He knew you would, but he does not want you to.

He wants to build a real realationship with you and all of mankind based on love, trust, and loyalty.

NOT because you have too. But because you want to.

So God created man, put the first humans in a garden with a tree that they weren't allowed to eat from and allowed a fallen angel to roam around in the form of a snake to temp the humans to eat from the tree. Because God made the first humans idiots, they were gullible enough to listen to a talking snake and ate the fruit. Because of this, God cursed all humans with original sin and death. Then, He sent Himself down in human form to be killed to atone for the sins that He didn't commit. Now, we have to believe that He exists and put our faith in Him or we will burn forever. But if we believe in Him and kiss His ass, then we can live forever in the sky worshipping Him.

Makes perfect sense.

>>199711344
OP have you read the entire bible for yourself?

so, when adam and eve ate the forbidden fruit, (the first sin) and jesus forgave all of our sins, why arent we living in paradise?

>>199720197

Then this is an apparent disagreement; maybe you weren't the one arguing in favor of atheism that I was replying to previously.

I agree. Building your life around making an assumption either way is retarded. Christians > retarded than Athiests, but both are still retarded.

Christianities Message is this

Eternal torment and suffering await anyone who questions god's infinite love.


thats why you religion is bullshit
/thread

>>199721508
Even if you knew for a fact that God exists, it doesn't mean your love is forced.

I mean, shit, we could all get really convincing religious experiences.

>>Churgoer for 25+ years

25+ years of FAIL

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Guys, Im gonna go out on a whim here and try something.

Instead of being athiest, can you just have a general lack of care for the subject altogether

>>199721256
>>199721349
Look at:
>>199721508

>>199719245

No.

Because that is not humanly possible.

Not with God/Christianity/Faith/Religion.

Not without God/Christianity/Faith/Religion.

Can anybody share that pic with the outer-space shit and the caption saying something like "nothing you'll ever do will have any meaning"?

I love how atheists always assume that they can come up with better answers than an omnipotent being and that they are as smart as one.

Does the 2nd rule of thermodynamics prove there is no god? (il give you a hint... NO.) 2nd rule of t.d is only true in a closed area.

But my real question...
why would happy sky man/morgan freeman/ 'god'
make us have shitty eye sight when a owl and alot of animals have thousand time better eyesight...?

>>199721508
Lawl. He's building a real relationship by refusing to confirm his own existence? Even according to the bible, and your claims ITT, god is basically just an egocentric, weird old man who's good at science

>>199721808
You were saying?

>>199721753
look at that one OP, i want to see the answer

>>199712984

"OP here".. derpa derpa derpa Hurr durr Hurr

>>199721508
Well it sounds like you embrace the better values of your faith and as long as it does no harm to others that is fine.
However this view just sounds ridiculous, giving a long winded and round-about explaintaions which makes no sense once you scratch beyond the surface. This makes God seem like a character from some Spanish soap, rather
then an omnipotent entity.

>>199720651

That's the cristian God.

Are you implying that just because you have proof that christinity is a load of horsecrap, that that's proof that there isn't some sort of god who's not the god of the bible?

Also yes. And if you want me to tell you about the life history of sargon the great, I can, but I doubt you'd like to hear. Unless you know nothing of the akkadians...?

>>199721808
Okay. So you're not OP. OP is being very selective about who he talks to.

>>199721901
here op

>>199721508

As much as I trust that my cock goes into Jessica Alba's shitbox on a nightly basis, it doesn't make it reality.