lol y u mad tho?

I prefer having my x-ray when I need it rather than 1 year later, thank you very much.

>>196423545
>>196423545
A) You troll.
B) You know nothing bout economy.

OP is a fag. This one came first

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i prefer paying for just my own shit rather than every lazy niggers'

>>196424143
Free speach for all or england for all

>>196423867
This doesn't happen. Look at countries such as England, where they have the healthcare system we need. Everything is still straightaway, stop being an ignorant fucking moron.

>>196423545
Fo' Shizzle!

haha i love it. It costs me fucking nothing to have x-rays, surgeries, follow-up appts and specialist appts, and it would have cost an americunt about 2 mil by now. enjoy your shitty system of death faggots.

we have health care, obviously. it's just not free.

>>196424434

americunts also cant do math very well. proven here.

you would pay less in taxes for universal than you are right now for your rediculously overpriced, completely unregulated ins.

if you still arent happy with that, and you know that fact then you just dont rly care about the money u actually are that selfish you wouldnt want to help another citizen of your country out? lol selfish mother fuckers

>dumbass republicans

fixed

>>196425330
Sooo....you have no taxes taken out for your health care system?
3k for one xray, or 50 dollars every time someone coughs.
Toughie

Land of the free, home of the really fucking stupid.

Dumbass Democrats, they want to raise taxes to pay for unproductive citizens

this thread again

Right America sucks because dogs get faster health care in Canada and why the English NHS is going under and raising taxes to ~50% to cover all the drunks. I like my private health care. They throw out the drunks that would cost me more money... Oh, and I don't pay ~50% in taxes.

>>196425860
You fucking moron. A person should not have to pay $10,000 for surgery + hospital stay.

>>196425681
You really are retarded. Don't worry though, here is some cake you fat mother fucker.

>>196423545

the majority or americans want it. its not the majority people that are moronic (just pretty stupid) its the ones in congress. even then theyre not even retarded. they're rich, they help the people who are rich its just a greed thing.

theres nothing anyone can do about it short of revolution, and changing the way the entire exec branch of govt works. first step hanging and castruating every lobbyist in the world and forbidding it with punishment by death

>>196423545

you mad cause u cant afford 2000

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>>196425681

fuck are you ever retarded .. you pay 7000 for your PAY healthcare vs my 3000 for all my shit taken care of god you faggots suck at everything

Hey now, we get free X-Rays when we go to the airport!

>>196426081

Why doesn't that person just get a fucking job you commie shit

>>196424434

This.

>>196423867
Canadafag here, went to the hospital, got an X ray, and left within half an hour. didn't pay a cent. suck my fractured foot.

OP is either a troll or utterly clueless.

Pretty sad when those are your only options...

Why do newfags respond to these blatant trolls every time?

I'll take it once I know the price tag on this shit

>>196426081
As with anything else, as quantity rises, quality falls. If health care is free, the services everyone will receive will be no where near as good as they are now.

People should only get free health care if they have a fucking job.
You don't work, you don't get shit. It's that simple.

>>196426518

> i prefer paying

you like paying for shit?

Hey I'm an American and I can't stand the healthcare system here. If I'm going to pay 2000 dollars for something then it had BETTER be worth my 2000 dollars not something that could be done in seconds.

>>196426169
Not hearing a convincing argument for your side in there.
I'm hearing a troll who's out of ways to defend his argument and can't admit defeat.

I've paid a total of 10 dollars for my health care the past 5 years.
A bottle of hydrogen peroxide and a box of band aids.
With fucking dinosaurs on them.
How much got taken out of your last paycheck for your system?

NOTHING IS FREE. you want "free" health care? somebody fucking pays for it. Stop taking from the people who have the mental capacity to make money and get a real job.

You do realize that the xray still costs $3,000? It isn't like it magically becomes free

calling america stupid is.. uh.. kind of stupid. you're talking about a country that has given the rest of the world a lot of wonderful things, and continues to invent, inspire, and contribute.

sure, our health care system is fucked sideways, but that's not because we're stupid. that's because our politicians are cock knockers.

we might be lazy for not standing up to them, burning shit and flipping over buildings.. but we're not stupid. most people just don't care enough to burn DC to the ground.

I have health insurance and its fairly affordable. hows your taxes?

Hey dumbasses, where does the money come from then?
Oh right, the mean, evil 'rich.'

Stop being pussies and pay for it yourself.

Everyone pays $100 in tax so everyone gets health care. Or: Everyone pays $159,252.23 dollars to get their own health care.

Fat americans. Go eat more cake fatties. MOAR CHEESEBRGERS FATSO? YH OF COURSE U WANT MOAR YOU FAT BASTARD

Hey I heard there's this thing called insurance.

>>196426615

who cares if OP is trolling.. every troll thread turns into people other than OP talking about shit anyway. every post is a troll post.

>>196425392
Most people have health insurance through work, so they pay nothing.

America is the land of pedophiles, racists and fat people.

Accept it, you losers.

not this again!

>>196426702
You've clearly never been to Canada. or any other country.

I love how Americans are living in fairy lands from the early-mid 1900's - I want the government to do everything for me, but I don't wanna pay taxes!

lol.

>>196427613
Yet we lead the free world
guess that makes you guys pussies, huh?

anime-assault.com

panoramicvacanc

its called insurance. Get it. We have the largest DOD budget in the world and give more aid to other countries that nearly every nation combined. This shit costs money. There is a reason why Obama fell flat on his face when ge tried passing healthcare legislation.

19 years old cumdumpster here with cam. add me on MSN 'paris2luv'

immensepreview4

>>196427191
100 in taxes every 2 weeks (give or take) for 5 years.
12k
A box of band aids and some disinfectant since I didn't actually need a doctor and didn't feel like paying for the rest of my country's fuck ups?
$10
I feel reeal stupid :3

>>196427519

so they would still pay nothing if they got it through their work if health care became universal. the same employer would pay higher taxes as opposed to the overpriced pos health ins company they are paying atm. also, it would be cheaper for the employer. FUCK why are people so fucking dumb and ignorant? cause you waatch glen fuckign beck?

>>196427519
This

Most of you faggots with socialized health care don't understand this.

Since I still live with my military parents, I get free health care as a dependent until I'm 23.

>>196427895

AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! hey we should invade iran

and by iran, i mean iraq

>implying that if you arent a poor faggot and dont have a job health care is an issue

>>196428006

you made the anti-healthcare look dumb, thanks

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>>196428157

most unenducated faggots dont understand the fact that if they did universal healthcare they're raising the age to somethig like 27 and you would still pay nothing. FUCK why are you so fucking retarded? do you watch glen beck?

>>196428416
Pretty much

>>196428006

And than bam you get cancer! than what faggot

Poorfags will never understand the way an economy works.

o teh irony

amerifag here who does want universal health care

>>196423545
Almost fell for it. But i looked to my trusty picture...
This helps me through these idiotic trolls.

>>196428705
BAM. I die. But at least I enjoyed life before the cancer because I had some cash.
Who wants to live past 30 anyway?

LOL @ when you guys instead of needing X-Rays actually get *really* sick. I serious long-term illness.

That insurance company you've been paying your premiums to will dump you ASAP and no other will touch you ever again for the rest of your life.

Enjoy selling your house and *still* not being able to afford the bills!

Enjoy dying of something that would have been treated in any civilised county - and even shitholes like Cuba!

Protip: Socialism doesn't *actually* make things free.

idc cuz ima be a gov employee

Healthcare is socialism. It's the idea that it's my responsibility to provide to those that cannot provide for themselves, that they are entitled to the result of my work and my intellect. I agree with the principle of helping man, but being forced to do it at gunpoint isn't freedom, it's wrong. Fuck you socialist country ruining scum.

>>196428157
Health insurance provided by a job is not free, moron.

The money is taken out of your paycheck most of the time. Hell, my work has raised our premiums about 15% to 20% over the last three years. Inflation is 3% to 5%. And the quality has gone down with co pays going from $10.00 to 20.00 and reduction of dental benefits. So, I'm paying more for less service. Great deal I have going there but, hey, it's cheaper then buying it privately.

>>196429556
Of course you ignore the fact that you would get to keep your current healthcare plan if you so wished.

>>196427807
fo sho!

>>196430021
That doesn't having shit to do with this. I'm still paying for the leeches.

ever look at what the insurance company pays out of the claim due to "negotiated" pricing? pretty affordable. I'd rather pay that than deal with the typically half-assed coverage everyone seems to have.

Oh, and Medicare can't legally negotiate, which is why its a massive money sink.

A WILD OREILLY APPEARS!!

got food poising
went to local emergency room
waited 45 min, while vomiting for 5 min with DR
DR wrote 1 script for anti-nausea
said if I was not better tomorrow come back
I have health insurance (Aetna)
Got 2 bills - one from DR one from hospital
After insurance and $20 co-pay I owe an additional $180.

What is wrong with this picture anti-health reform fags?

>>196429556
You really need to look up what Socialism means.

>>196429181
dumbass who can't admit when he's wrong
>>196429556
if it works...

Becuz freedom isnt free at least we have freedom not like SOCILIST EUROP

i'm quite content paying my $5 copay for $3000 xrays, especially since i dont have to wait 6 months to a year to get one

who cares, the weak die and the strong survive

americans don't need socialized medicine. they need sense of empathy.

>>196430838
Enlighten me.

>Herp the country is in more debt than any other country. The dollar is going the way of the Peso
>LETS SPEND TRILLIONS ON HEALTH CARE

DERPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

I could get a free x-ray tomorow if i needed one.

>>196430788
whaaaa whaaaa things costs money
shut the fuck up and don't ask me to pay for you, you got treated

Health care is the largest industry in the United States, employing more than 14 million people nationwide. US health expenditure totaled $2.2 trillion in 2007, comprising 16.2% of the US economy.
77% of Americans say that they think health care should be a right (40 KB) . Others argue that it is not the government's responsibility to guarantee health coverage for its citizens. The US Census Bureau reports that 46.3 million people in the US were uninsured (3 MB) in 2008, although some groups contend that this figure is inflated and misleading due to flawed methodology and the number's inclusion of undocumented immigrants and people who choose not to obtain insurance.

Many Americans say our health care system works well and that reform is not needed; however, according to a 2009 peer-reviewed study in the American Journal of Medicine, 62.1% of all US bankruptcies in 2007 were related to medical expenses (119 KB) and 78% of these bankruptcies were filed by people who had medical insurance.


Republicans are lame. Also, the game. Hehe. That rhymed.

>>196431751

Do it and post it here otherwise youre a lying faggot!

>>196431649

too many words

lol retarded Americans. your ignorant "Patriotism" is mindblowing. When I was a kid, I was extremely sick. I was throwing up constantly, and I was in risk of dying from starvation. I was treated VERY well, and promptly, and was saved thanks to Canada's excellent healthcare system. didn't cost anything at all.

How much are you Americans taxed per dollar?

>>196423545
Please, sir, I am a US citizen and I am offended.
The proper term is Americunt.
Thank you, good day.

>>196423545
>They don't have healthcare

hurr durr no hospitals in America

there should be no taxes for anything

>>196429556
So therfore your against free education, the post office and the fire department.

Americans are tough bastards. There isn't a single injury inflicted upon an American that can't be fixed with some electrician's tape.

Not all Americunts are completely fucking retarded.
Just thank our government for bringing the fucking hail storm down.

>>196432673

As any right-thinking person is.

I pad $87 for my X-ray.
IDK WTF country OP lives in where it costs the government $3000 to give someone an X-ray. Sounds inefficient to me.

>>196432673
Things that benefit the public, myself included, are not the same as paying for those who won't work.

>>196431477
In a nut shell, Socialism is when a government takes control of the means of production in a society and distributes them to the public. This is a total take over, steel, gas, all factories, farms not just Health Care.

If you think having Universal Health Care is going to change the country into some sort of Socialist Government, then your on some nice drugs.

We have socialized systems already that I wonder if you could do without. Police, Firefighters, etc. These are in place for the good of all citizens, why not health care? A cop will protect a illegal the same as a tax paying citizen, right?

>>196433331

one word: death panels

wait wut

>>196433214
Just because someone doesn't have health care doesn't mean they don't work, ass hole. Go suck Glen Beck's dick.

>>196423545
iceland
ireland
greece
/thread

We got healthcare in Australia.
We got in a nice, big gang fight at new years, and the ambulance drivers asked my mate if he wanted to ride shotgun to the hospitol, just to "make sure" there was no damage - he was kicked in the head a few times.
Anyway, the harmless 3 minute drive cost him $617.

>>196428006

Then you get in a car accident, need major surgery and a stay at the hospital for three weeks, voilá, your up to $120,000 instead. Congratulations dear sir, you are and idiot

>>196434052
Sup, bro.
I'm a foreigner who knows how to drive, and doesn't get into accidents.
And if I do, I hope I fuckin' die.

>>196433693
Everyone gets a free public education, and I payed my way through college. Fuck people who cry to me about how hard their life is and that I should pay for them. They should get a job instead of sitting around waiting for the next handout.

We've created an entitlement mentality in this country, and it's going to destroy us.

>>196428006
you're either really, REALLY fucking retarded, or one hell or a troll...

This is what happens when a bunch of rich people are able to pay a political party to tell their dumbass constituents whatever they want.

>>196433462

Feel like the police are doing well "protecting and serving"? How many children do you think they killed today? How many nonviolent people got thrown into jail for having a plant in their pocket? "For the good of all citizens" fuck.

i'm in the northeast (where we got hammered by the blizzard), and the damn socialists plowed all my roads.

>>196434890

man fuck those socialists, always takin our money and doin shit with it

As i have always said. Hail Hitler. You jews, fags, brits. Americunts, french pastry pussies, and everyone else needs to die. There is only one GOD and he is ADOLF HITLER. He will live on and lead the father land to 1000 years of prosperity!!!!

>>196434890
win

>>196434697
And how quickly would your dumb arse get gunned down by thugs, if there were no cops?
You know a system works if your dumb arse is safe and alive enough to complain about it.

>>196423545
No one in power in america actually wants free health care, even obama is clearly a pawn of rich. That is why he is purposing a single payer system which will destroy the industry, when it fails there wont talk about universal health care for another 10 years

waiting in in a queue to get a check up

5% income tax just to pay for the "freeness"

i'm sure the lazy shits on welfare will get in first (considering they are the fucktards that vote in this democratic shit that wants healthcare)

the people pushing healthcare don't even have to go by it's law

the list goes on and on

>>196433462

read about socialism, then come again when you know what you are talking about. YOU STUPID CUNT!

We also love starting businesses and paying relatively low taxes. Not getting caught up in massive amounts of red tape and then taxed until we are all working class.

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>>196435099

HAHAHAHAHA EPIC WIN, i loled so hard

>>196435186

derp couldn't have any defense against criminals without police derp

derp no criminals are aided by the police derp

What, are you 14 years old? Just got out of civics class?

>>196434697
How many murders have they caught, how many gang related crimes have they stopped, how many crimes have failed to be committed because of the presence of a police officer.

Maybe we should do the capitalist thing and privatize them? Yup, that works damn well....

http://rawstory.com/2010/02/security-guards-inothingi-15yearold-girl-beaten/

>>196434420

just because you know how to drive, you can still get hit by a drunken driver on your way home from the pub right? or are you super man? YOU STUPID CUNT!

>>196435215

>destroy the industry

really? get your shit straight. fag.

>>196429376
do you have the dumbs?

well, ppl who dont know shit about working healthcare systems are poor fuckers, yes yes I like my private health insurance thing, I pay a little more per year and get the best available doctors I can chose from, get into 1 or 2 bed rooms instead of a room with 6 beds and the possibility of some student with almost 0 expierence in cutting actual shit up is at zero

and

no niggers with me in my rooms :D

Nothing is free

if it cost $3000 dollars for an xray, i'd be a very rich man.

>>196436094

freedom is free, and survival of the fittest is free

Stupid americans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0d0pQgLNws

>>196435389
nah, he has it right, you stupid piece of shit.

>>196427191

You fucking kids have no idea how private health insurance works in the USA. You just hear the medias overblown numbers. A middle class family that makes $50,000+ a year gets all the healthcare they need for a reasonable price each month. It's the poor motherfuckers who make less than $40,000 a year who want all the free shit because their dumbasses dropped out of our FREE education or didn't choose to go to a GOVERNMENT RUN college on grants and shit that poor people get.

Not our fault if they are lazy fucks.

>>196434890

Oh noes! Also, awesome!

>>196429406
No. But insurance capitalism of an amenity leads to really high cost

>>196423545
I'd rather pay 3k for an x-ray than pay more taxes, cuz im rich bitch...

>>196436259

I'm the person he was originally responding to, and arguing that having the taxpayers pay for everyone's health care isn't socialism because socialism requires all industries to be government run, is a flimsy technicality. It's still a socialist idea, and does nothing to refute my original point.

troll troll troll troll trolllll

>>196436259

i would like to hear from you then, what is the basic idea of socialism?

I have free health insurance through my part time job at ups. it kicks ass. an $11,000 operation to have a kidney stone removed cost me $100 all said and done. you can get good health care if you look around.

>>196436494
whether you want to admit it or not, America still has a class system. Most people who are born poor stay poor, and most who are born rich stay rich. If you really think poor people are somehow inferior, you are either a fucking retard or a very successful troll.

>>196436790

Maybe to an uneducated fuckhead with no skills. Any jackass in US who graduated highschool and went to a 2 year school makes more than enough money to cover the cost of health insurance and have stuff like cable TV and a decent car and house.

Again, not my fault if some nigger drops out of school to be a gansta and needs fucking healthcare after they get shot.

>>196435233

that must be some list.

Rupert Murdoch owns our minds, thatsa the problem.

ANd he's Australian & DOminionist

>>196436899
Yeah, it's a socialist idea...BECAUSE IT FUCKING WORKS, you stupid cunt

>>196436494

never had a sociology class, huh?

>>196437217
The poor stay poor because their culture does not value education

>>196436494

I make over $50,000 and some how no matter how much I pay my insurance company, I still have to pay a shit load of cash to hospitals and for doctor visits. For something as stupid as the lab the doctor sent my blood to isn't in my insurance plan. How the fuck should I be responsible for where my doctor sends my blood?! seriously. everything is fucked up!

>>196437527
So if something works it's socialist? What the fuck are you talking about?

>>196437622

no they stay poor because their culture does not value having money, stupid

>>196436899

Socialism have nothing to do with everything being run by the gouvernment. I know it for a fact because 2002-2006 my country was run by socialists, and it was a hell of a lot better for 90% of the people living in my coutry. since 2006 though, the country is run by more liberal parties, and the only thing they do is give more money to the richest, and less to the poorest.

i can sense the darkness of this thread

>>196437217

Last I checked it was illegal for a kid to NOT get an education. I'm sorry if people choose to just not value an education. The poor get poorer only because our standards get higher (not everybody needs a flatscreen TV and HD programming), they drop their asses out of school, or they don't take advantage of grants and scholarships they could get for just being poor faggots.

Class system is true, there will always be poor people Though when are you poor? When you can't afford a SUV like your neighbors?

1. go to itsover(9000).net (take out parentheses)
2. click a link
3. ???????
4. ZOMG SECRET RAID BOARD?!(no newfags plox)

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>>196435836
Single payer dumbass, R&D industry will lose marketing capabilities and funding, medical industry moves abroad

ohlookthisthreadagain.jpg

>>196437822
no, i'm saying that a lot of tenants of socialism work

>>196437915
Which country is that?

>>196437622

the poor stay poor because local taxes pay for education. in nj where abbott funding sent state money to the poorest schools, the achievement gap was closed more drastically than any other state in the past 10 years.

>>196436494
Yup, them ignorant, unwashed masses that do stupid shit like work in factories or other jobs that pay under 50K a year should just shut up and die when they get sick.

Not like anything they do is work a crap anyway.

>>196438017
But then, some value freedom and prefer to be poor and travel the world instead of being locked in a big house.

I'd rather pay $5000 or so of my hard earned money for when I get sick and go to the hospital, once every 5 years or so, than $200 or so a month for some other person I don't know to go to the hospital when he sneezes a little too hard.

Everyone in this thread fails. Thanks guys, the troll now owns /b/

obesity is pandemic in America. All these fat fucks will die early of heart disease, but not before racking up huge medical bills. As a taxpayer, I don't want to pay for their fat fucking lazy life.

>>196438217

Sweden.

>>196438473
winnar

>>196436494

You think teachers are uneducated?

education =/= more money

the richest people didn't graduate college. Think about it.

>>196438473

Most factory jobs not only pay enough to support a family, they also provide a healthcare benefit package. It's stupid to let your workforce be unproductive because of poor health. Even Wal-Mart has an employee healthcare program which gives more healthcare than the government programs do.

Brits pay 50% max tax

US pay 35% max tax
US pays 17% of GNI on health care

Even without accounting for the other more socialised systems in the UK like universities and welfare

>>196438406
Bullshit, I went to a shitty public school. The ones of who tried and cared did well, the rest became leeches

so⋅cial⋅ism   [soh-shuh-liz-uhm]
–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

socialism = means of production. govt controlling isn't socialism, its being smart and responsible

>>196438701

it's not just that, it's the fat fucks that sue doctors that cause the most harm.

>>196423545
Stupid Australians. They like passing laws that ban porn with small tits and young porn stars, as well as female ejaculation.

You Ausfags are retards.

BUT IF WE HAVE FREE HEALTH CARE, THERE WILL BE LONG LINES FOR THE EMERGENCY ROOM, LIKE THE WAY WE HAVE IT NOW.

>>196439694

lolololololololololloolololololoooool

Whats, that? The sound of amerifags trying to convince you that paying a years salary for a simple checkup is good?

>>196439280

...thinking...

ok, you're wrong. most rich people did graduate college. and the percentage of rich people who didn't graduate college gets smaller with every year that passes because college is the new high school.

yes, i know i'm getting trolled.

i have the strangest feeling...

i think op is a faggot guys.

>>196439761

is /b/ 100% trolls?

How bout I watch out for my own ass, screw the man and all forms of insurance, public and private, which exist solely on the basis of you putting more in than what you need to get out.

>>196439993
you kind of missed the point there, ass hole. you can still graduate college and not make much at all.

>>196439975

Sounds to me like a eurofag that has no idea what the real cost of healthcare is in America.

>>196439291
Really now? What about a job that is considered high risk?

I work in a foundry, hands on with molten metal pouring parts that go to military, commercial and medical applications. The insurance provided by my work is pretty good, but it is slowly being taken apart because of the high risk of my job. Average pay for one of our workers? About 30 to 50k a year unless they make supervisor and go on a salary.

>>196440336
more like 60-70%

>>196440441

Of course you can. If you choose to be an Art Therapy major...

You Americans are fucking retarded.

You would rather get desperately sick and have to pay a GIGANTIC bill, than pay TINY TINY amounts each in tax so everyone gets their health care free.

HUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRR

lol enjoy your huge lines at the doctor's office because all the poor fuckheads walked in before you.