Ammonia turns any blood sample bad.

Don't know about where you are but over here, DNA is taken with fingerprints if a criminial record is brought on you for a serious crime, otherwise unless you've volunteered to put your DNA forwards (to be easily eliminated from investigations) then you're details wont be on there, certain UN states want to be able to take DNA at birth but this is unlikely to happen in this lifetime, in my opinion, human rights (privacy) and that.

>>192321817

What parts of a person contain their DNA? Hair? Skin? Saliva? Everything?

move to another country (that doesnt use dna )become a serial killer, hit the world news profit ???

>>192322392

That's no fun.

>>192321646

No, you're dumb, that was in the Boondock Saints. In real life ammonia doesn't do shit except clean things. Seriously people put their hands in it and clean shit with it, if it doesn't burn their hands what makes you think it's going to magically erase or corrode your DNA?

You need to not believe everything you see in the movies.

>>192322046

Virtually any part, although hair that has been processed (eg, dyed) is harder to extract DNA from.

All cells contain DNA
Sex cells (gametes), the hair follicle may contain traces if it's on the hair, the saliva, excrement etc...

Ammonia can damage blood samples, but piss can contain DNA samples.... so???!???!?!!!!???

1. go to itsover(9000).net (take out parentheses)
2. click a link
3. ???????
4. ZOMG SECRET OLDFAG RAID BOARD?!

3923866107

>>192321230
>This thread is purely informational, and i am in no way >condoning killing, nor am i hinting that i'm going to kill.

OP is a serial killer

>>192322969

That's right, I forgot to mention, DNA is more easily extracted when the hair contains a follicle.

DNA can be extracted from things like drinking straws, cigarettes, and lollipop sticks, as well.

>>192322876

Does muriatic acid turn any blood sample bad?

DNA is almost always put into the system when you have any sort of sexual crime: ie rape, child pornography, etc.

protip: water washes away most if not all trace evidence. including dna caught under fingernails.

>>192323432
Ok, now OP is a serial killer

>>192323651

That's not necessarily true.

The best way to get away with a crime where DNA testing could be used to prove guilt is to be clean.

>>192321230
what the fuck is that picture, what the dick, im shaking :(

>>192323926

which part isnt true? the first part is. second part is almost always true.

>This thread is purely informational, and i am in no way condoning killing, nor am i hinting that i'm going to kill.

Remember to give us some pictures of the body - purely for informational purposes, of course.

>>192324020

Are you really that much of a pussy?

>>192324146

The first part is true, the second part is relative. Even if you rinse away the visible evidence, traces almost always remain.

>>192324426

Take your arrogant conceited self and drive into your nearest body of water.

>>192324451
no but that thing looks fucked up even for me, which could be caused because im tripping balls on some medication

>>192324642

This thread is for smart people and serial killers. Go away.

>>192324577

throwing someone into a lake? sure. they remain. Throwing someone into moving water? no. they dont.

granted, this doesnt mean stuff caught inside a mouth or closed orifice, but things like hair, skin cells, saliva that drop onto a body? yes.

>>192321230
Did someone call?

>>
"A simple question to start off: When i watch t.v. shows they say that someone with no criminal background wont have their dna in the system. is this true? Also, when is your dna put into the system?"

They will have your DNA as soon as they find it at a crime scene, or take it from you in person. No, they don't store the DNA of every newborn so why would they have it? Stupid question, you would make a horrible serial killer.

>>192323148
or perhaps OP is an incompetent forensic scientist

>>192325064

Then make sure you don't cum in her butt.

another fun fact. usable fingerprints are actually uncommon at crime scenes. Less than half the time you find usable fingerprints.

>>192322046
u serious nigga?

>>192325420
also, a large portion of murders go unsolved.

>>192325472

Do i seem like I'm joking?

>>192325689
alright, carry on then.

>>192325642

mostly motiveless crimes. Watch CSI a couple times. basically everything they use to find evidence? go ahead and do that.. because its mostly fake.

>>192325350
Looking to learn from /b/? Questioning the logic of OP now
>>192325361
Rape in the butt and blow a load, then pop her a laxative, she'll wash the yism away before you can say police report, picture somewhat related to the general topic

>>192326091

You don't seem to understand the concept of anonymity.

Anon? Anonism? Anoniniteritarianism?

1. go to itsover(9000).net (take out parentheses)
2. click a link
3. ???????
4. ZOMG SECRET OLDFAG RAID BOARD?!

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>>192326826

i lol'd

>>192326091

You've really thought about this, haven't you?

I think the main thing is stay out of Miami or Dexter Morgan will bring you to justice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI_AbkKJwmg

I want the serial killer to ask some more questions.

>>192321230
jerk face didn't they take your fucken fingerprints when you were in 2nd grade at school?

fuck fingerprints anyway, if you wanna kill someone just fucken shoot someone in the middle of nowhere from a distance like the dc snipers.

the only reason they got caught was because they just kept riding around shooting people every few days.

if you did it once, you'd never get caught. that's where there's so many unsolved murders.

nigger.

>>192327415

You're an angry depressed arrogant little teenager. Please leave.

>>192327693
Yeah, we don't take kindly to those types here at 4chan!

1)) Ammonia actually makes the blood samples left over at the scene useless for analysis. This is one thing from the boondock saints that wasn't fiction. Apparently straight chlorine does the same thing.
2)) Tracks from shoes, fingerprints, your own blood left over at the scene, skin particles under your victim's/s' nails... It will ALL be tested.
Your best bet is to kill on one place, make sure it's a clean kill, and dump the body somewhere else. If you can't make a clean kill, clean the body in a bathtub full of chlorine. Cut/Rip off fingernails and flush down your toilet if you don't have a septic tank.

...Jus' Sayin'.

>>192327228

Alright, i'll see what i can come up with.

Shoe fibers. How can they trace them to specific shoes, and how can they use those shoes to track down the person at the crime scene, if at all?

I assume it would be a good idea to grind the soles of the shoe down to nothing.

>>192327837

>>192327842

And im "just reading".

>>192321230

Just eat the body, pussy.

>>192328089
They can only trace it to a person if there is DNA on the shoe or possibly if a person close to you points out to the police that you recently lost a pair of the same shoes,.

Can they trace clothing fibers back to you somehow?

>>192328089

I'm not exactly sure, since my specialty lies in DNA, but perhaps someone else may be able to help you.

My advice would be to purchase inexpensive shoes and dispose of them somewhere far and unrelated to where you disposed of the body, if you're concerned.

>>192321230

Your DNA is taken at birth as of 1992.

Formerly, small samples of your tissue deemed harmless to the infant were taken, and records of those have been kept since the mid 1900s.

Chances are, if you are alive, your DNA is on record.

>>192327842

they can and will test your drains, toilet, sink for blood / dna/ etc. i suppose the cholorine would prevent that.. but you leave far more evidence the minute you touch a body.

if you want to kill someone and not get caught?
pick someone at random from a phone book. make a zipgun. Shoot them from a decent distance. leave body and weapon at scene. throw the latex gloves you should have been wearing in a medical waste bin.

>>192328715
dont listen to this guy, he's probably a huge alex jones fan.

>>192328703

or wear plastic bags over your shoes.

>>192327842 <---Me
>>192328089
Wear a shitty pair of shoes you stole, and dump them off in a public dumpster at night.
...and remember, LEAVE NO WITNESSES.
If you can't make a kill without withnesses, don't kill. This includes someone that might have heard the victim screaming that you didn't see. You would be surprised who would turn into Captain Save a Ho when they hear someone's panicked screams .

>>192328639

My advice for this situation would be to buy a set of clothes you would dispose of, as well. I suggest cheap hospital scrubs or a track suit. Unless you work in medicine or are a runner.

I like helping you, would-be serial killer.

>>192323148
He certainly could be a killer, but he wouldn't have to ask us if he was a serial killer. Those guys either know their shit or are in prison, idiot.

I was informed by a friend of a professional that the proper order is to shave ALL hair off(preferably use nair or something to get the roots too, and pull those eyelashes and eyebrows out by the root as well) bathe like the fellow in Gattaca, then in a rubbing alcohol bath, and wear a skintight spandex suit that covers everything but your eyes(tuck shirt into pants and seal with velcro or something so it doesn't roll up). Use a frozen bullet, or something else untraceable in a stolen gun.

>>192328861
They will only test them if you give them reason to...ie you become a suspect in the murder.

>>192329492
dont forget to slice your finger prints off!

>>192329407

Your help is appreciated. I don't suppose thrift stores keep records of their customers, or what they buy do they?

>>192329290

We don't want him to slip!

The hardest murder to solve would be if you drove past someone on a rural back road and killed them there, someone with no connection to you, a place where you dont live, no apparent motive or witnesses.

>>192329956

I think you may want to look out for cameras, and be sure to pay in cash. Perhaps buy many clothes at a time, that way if you are under suspicion, you can say you were purchasing a new wardrobe.

>>192329492

sounds easy

>>192329956
fuck no...if you use a credit card they might be able to find something but not with cash.

>>192329492

no idea how you would shoot a frozen bullet. but a zipgun made of common materials solves the untraceable projectile and weapon problem in one go.

Obvious question here. Do the FBI or any form of law enforcement browse 4chan?

And im quit computer illiterate, how easy would it be for someone to trace my IP from this thread?

>>192331287

Quite.

>>192331287

no idea about from the thread. however, google does keep a record of searches based on your IP address. And that has been subpoenaed and used in court as evidence.

>>192331287

I really wouldn't be concerned, given that we're all talking in non-specific, hypothetical language, in a thread filled with science nerds and people who enjoy Dexter and CSI.

>>192331536

What happens if i destroy my computer and burn it?

>>192332116
Your computer is burned and destroyed, no?
Dipshit.

>>192332545

Will the google database of things i searched remain?

>>192332116

Forensic data recovery is far more insane than you can believe. Normal police cant do much, but military grade recovery has found up to 40% + of the content on a HD thats been wiped 5+ times, and then set on fire.

>>192332700

and yes, since google stores their info on their own servers, your data remains. And your ISP has the IP address you were assigned at that time. destroying your stuff does nothing.

>>192332805
set on fire, dump in a lake, make mash from it with a sledgehammer?

should work, no?

>>192332805

Very interesting. I'll just bury the fucker then.

>>192333062
>>192332805

once you've searched it. Google keeps it, not you. your searches arent stored on your home computer.

>>192332700
considering that their database isn't stored on your computer, yes. Seriously OP, dont take this the wrong way, but you are a dumbazzz

Just clarifying some discussion earlier:

Flushing a body with regular water with wash away all DNA that's "on" the body yes? Will the DNA be gone or will it just be moved into the dirt or wherever the body is?

>>192321230
Can anyone tell me where this picture is from?, could make some major lulz with it.

>>192333916

Wash the body with chlorine bleach, to be safe, and also cut/remove the fingernails and toenails.

>>192333690

I know, i was never very interested in computer programming or any of that stuff. But that's why I'm asking here.

>>192333916

i said dumping it in moving water would wash it away. I suppose some could get caught into dirt and things like that, but thats irrelavent. when they recover a body, they cant reasonably sift thru a ton of dirt to look for DNA evidence.

>>192334219

Chlorine bleach sounds kind of high profile, where can you get it?

>>192321230
if you were a normal kid chances are your parents had your finger print cataloged during one of those halloween (let us take your kids fingerprint incase they get kidnapped) campaigns.

>>192334219

why would you cut the nails? all thats really going to do is get THEIR dna on YOU and in your car/ house / apartment.

>>192334338
just remember not to leave any exotic moths in their throat, that will be your downfall.

I am a serial killer.

>>192334497

>>192334725
if that has happened to you then you are underage barned.

>>192332700
Use ixquick.com for searches, they do not keep records of your searches and don't log your IP

>>192334725

Is there anyway to check this without asking my parents?

>>192335163

what about bing?

or you know u could b smart and just dissolve the body with a strong acid like H2SO4 or HCL, u do it in a plastic bin that wont corrode and use enough to get it all, then doen the drain they go, if not down the drain u cn tross the liquid remains in the woods

>>192324451
i am also that much of a pussy.

>>192334922

Say thanks, and also thanks for tolerating my stupidity.

and u cn get strong acids as such at a pool supply store or a hardware store ect, and bins at walmart

>>192335411
Bing is Micro$haft, they don't give a shit about your privacy. ixquick was created with privacy being it's main goal

>>192335417
this, but thats just awesomely gross and was sposed to be used in that serie, breaking bad, where the crackhead put the guy in the bathtub and it dissolved through the floor.

>>192335962

Thanks there, guy.

>>192322876
Ammonia would probably fuck it up, Haven't seen that movie, but having seen what that shit does to everything else I mean seriously opening a jar of that shit is like rubbing your eyes with onion and mustard.

>>192335417

this person is a fool. Even strong acids take a while to dissolve a body, and when they find out the body has been dissolved, they can look for recent purchases. Further, im not even sure either of those will dissolve bone, and they almost certainly wont dissolve teeth / nails.

>>192335671

Hey, its ok. :)

>>192324451

Hypothetically speaking, if you shaved off all body hair (if male), wore generic latex gloves and really common clothes AND SHOES (brand new! Both Wal-Mart or alike) Also! Use clothing that is difficult to cut/stab such as leather, tough denim, etc. Use an inconspicuous vehicle (generic old 2 door pickup, mid 90s sedan, etc), and the victim had no ties to you (different city/state) as well as would have little if no family or people of consequence left. Have no witnesses, cameras. Somewhere in a rural yet tight-knit community. The day also matters. The longer they go without being noticed, the less evidence there is, so if it's rural and religious, Sunday night would be best. This is all Hypothetically ofcourse. And I also, in no way condone violence of any sort. It's just my little workup of how it'd happen. That's just me tho.

>>192336544
>>192336702

I lol'd

>>192336827

Thanks for your input.

>>192336544
>>192336702
haha I win!

>>192337202
Thank you kind anon.

Honours degree within the past 6 years. Work with blood every day. I love my job.

Alright, the subject of vehicles now. How easy is it to trace tire tracks back to a specific car, and is there anything conclusive cars leave behind? Anything at all?

>>192335417
Yeah...thats not going to happen

You get a layer of partially reacted scum surrounding the body (I've totally killed loads of people...im hardcore, guys) so you have to keep reutrning to the body to scrape that shit off, and even then it takes ages to dissolve the entire thing.

>>192337684

Depending on the wear and tear of the tread, they could trace the tracks tires made to the specific tires.

can you dig a hole in your house, prepare a room that is sound proof, make some air ducts, a small bathroom, and get some bitch to be your slave ? ever thought of that ?

>>192337945

Are most tire treads alike or are a lot of them unique?

>>192338128

I did!

>>192338128

I've thought about many, MANY things.

>>192336827

latex gloves can actually be traced. crazy, i know.. its been done.

>>192337684

Tire tracks can be traced somewhat, but the bigger problem is stuff being caught in your tires and transferred to a different place. Especially if its an uncommon material. And yes.. plants have been transferred and used as evidence.

>>192338128

i havent. some old guy did. and succeeded for over 20 years.

>>192338210
FUCK YOU ASK STUPID QUESTIONS JOO IDIOT

thats y u cut up the body into little pieces, incerease the surface area then win

>>192338210

They start out alike, but wear and tear makes them unique. They can also transport things, like >>192338354 said.

>>192335163

holy shits, im gonna start using this engine from now on.
if anyone finds out how many times ive "googled black loli shemales" while drunk id be fucked.

>>192338786

Just asking what's coming into my mind while i'm in the presence of people who seem to know what they're talking about.

>>192338548
lucky sob

>>192339282

Ah i see.

>>192338354
I agree, but if you buy it from a major supplier, such as Walmart, along with similar medi items (lancelets, facemasks, hand sanitizer), it would be much MUCH harder to trace and a LOT less suspicious, especially if you buy your supplies in another city/state, as well as find a way to dump it.

>>192323148
>OP is a serial Killer
No, OP wants to kill someone

>>192339431

so what else ya got? always willing to provide information to screw over laws.

>>192325320
I was totally thinking that when I saw this.

BTW, if all Serial killers were as sexy as Mr. Morgan, I'd fuck them till they wanted to dismember me.

>>192321230
the police dont have a magical dna sample from every single person in the world, its the same as fingerprints, they have to be logged first and then compared to later, normally when you commit a crime is when they first get them

You cant leave fingerprints on human skin.

If you're serious:
http://ztatic.net/tacticsliterature.htm

Lots of good literature

book will tell you how to make poisons and an acid that kills with one drop applied to the tongue. Use a squirt gun with it in a thick crowd. pic related

>>192339605

you misunderstood what i meant when i said trace. two examples... a latex glove can be turned inside out, and either DNA acquired, or rarely.. fingerprints taken from the INSIDE of the gloves. its difficult, but possible.

second. if the latex glove they know was at the scene has an imperfection ( this is very common) and they search your house, and find latex gloves with the same imperfection?.. this is very bad. This has actually been done. Most gloves are made and sold as batches.

all this shit is moot, without eye witnesses or a confession 90% of crimes go unpunished.

i walked on 2 grand theft auto cases because i didnt admit to them and nobody saw me do them.
they had circumstantial evidence, partial finger prints, and a security camera tape of me in a convenience store around the time the crime was committed.

>>192339716

If i hypothetically wanted to take someone into the woods, and they were hypothetically still alive, what could i wrap them in to transport them? I'd hypothetically carry them over my shoulder, as deep into the woods as i can go. Is there anything you can think of in this whole process that could lead back to me?

>>192340186

i assume you mean ricin? i have that book, been a long time since ive actually looked thru it. too bad its very easy to poison yourself while you make it. ill say it again. use a zipgun.

DNA can only be found in the blood, so go ahead and touch everything, TV lies, its fabricated to make their job look facinating and hard

>>192340538

Buy some inexpensive tarps and camping supplies with cash. You can rinse the tarps with bleach or ammonia afterward. Take a camping trip before or after said act.

>>192340870

Don't listen to this person, either.

>>192340538

mostly the fact that a lot of people would see you walking with something the size of a body over your shoulder. Also, if you keep them in the trunk, they can find evidence in that, as well as anything you left on the body when you dumped it. Id suggest a large piece of plastic or a garbage bag for transport. And the woods arent exactly a way to keep a body " unfound"

>>192340281
Touche. What about if taken from Doctor's office/hospital and disposed of in trashcan on way back to original city/state (residential trashcan-less witnesses/cameras)

they might not have your DNA in the system previously, but if they take DNA samples at the scene then you become a suspect and they take your DNA, then viola, they have you.

>>192340131

Anyone that can verify this?

>>192340870

Anyone that can verify this also?

>>192341275

much better plan.

>>192341195

I'll just have to be extra careful not to be seen now won't I?

>>192341412

You can leave partial prints on the skin, as well as other evidence (don't cough or sneeze or lick, for example).

DNA can be found in skin particles, hair/hair follicles, saliva, etc. DNA exists in all cells.

>>192341412

dna only being in blood is false. Its found in pretty much every part of your body.

no idea on leaving fingerprints on skin. however, since fingerprints are found by taking an imprint of oils left behind by your fingers when you touch something, it sounds feasible.

>>192323148
OP is a wannabe

>>192342075

Why do you think I'm doing my research?

>>192324020
FU-

>>192342325

Careful not to self-incriminate.

>>192342532

Thanks for the warning.

dude just wear polyester, a hat, extremely common shoes, and gloves and your all set. just make sure nobody sees you.


simple

>>192342821
oh and dont be stupid about trophies.

OP, I'm going to duck out in a few minutes. Any other questions?

If you leave dna and you have no criminal record then no it can't be traced back to you. We just went over that in my forensics class. :)

>>192343191
yea
like fingers and shit. no good.

>>192343587

Not at the moment, thanks a ton for your help, it was very much appreciated.

>>192340433

this is actually one of the most true things in this thread. NEVER ADMIT ANYTHING. reasonable doubt, and double jeopardy are your friends.

>>192343787

It was fun talking about Dexter and CSI with you, bro! Good luck writing your crime novel!

if you look up how many chemicals and elements luminol(the shit on csi that says if a red stain is blood or not) reacts to, its astounding, almost anything will show a 'positive' sample

>>192343787
well im going to go take a nap. what are the chances we'll see something on the news in the next few weeks?

>>192343730

they cant be traced back to you, but if you do it more than once, and they finally DO convict, chances are they are going to pin all the other murders on you as well. Police LOVE solving the unsolved.

>>192344279

Absolutely none.

>>192344160

they dont use it to see if blood is there. they use it to see where blood might be, so they can take a sample. its to narrow their searches.

>>192342821
this is the best advise ive seen along with just dont admit anything

also dont drive your personal vehicle, steal one or walk

>>192344474
bummer... oh well...

whens the novel being published