>>12492947 (OP)
Because the "douches" are confident, attractive, and understand social situations. The "nice guys" do not, and are, usually, not as nice as you'd think.

Because these guys tend to have a danger factor that is incredibly sexy. Some girls feel like they can change them; most just like being the "only person he cares about" or at least delude themselves into feeling that way.

These guys also have a more.. obvious protective side to them, as well. Girls like going out in public with a guy and feeling like he'll kick the ass of anyone who makes her uncomfortable.

>>12492966
Says the femanon who gets beaten by her husband but "i steeel luv himmm"

>>12492976
^That too.

OP you are watching way too much television. That's your only problem. Life is not really like that because everyone treats everyone like shit pretty equally.

>>12492966
I'm friends with nice guys I've met at a lot of places and have been dating a really nice guy for 3 years. Some of the more attractive ones get dates, but girls end up dumping them after 2 months saying they weren't mean enough.
I agree that a lot of nice guys aren't confident, but isn't that better than being overconfident?

The abusive guys are attractive thus women think it's okay since they can't see past looks. Being "nice' and showing positive gestures such as care and concern turns women off so of course they don't ever go for a man who would actually give a fuck about them.

Treat a woman like dirt and she'll stick to you like mud.

>>12492966
This is an excuse to not feel guilty in descriminating against attractive and unattractive. Its the same reason guys would pick a hot stuck up blonde over a seemingly friendly thoughtful fatty. It works both ways and there is a middle ground

The main reason is that in grade school we were told that the male bullies actually liked us.
Thanks boomers, I don't think you quite understand how badly that line ruined society.

>>12492988

And by that I mean that you can't discount the stories of horrible bitchy women who are putting their men through hell. It doesn't matter whether they like nice guys or douches, there's always going to be those awful abusive women too and rest assured that they're making some macho bro feel terrible every day.

>>12492976

Truth.

I went on a "date" with this guy, he's a virgin betafag who probably hangs out on r9k and here (hi D!~) and this guy was sitting near us. He spent the entire night staring at me and making creepy faces.

And yes he was the sleazy kind of Arab. I finally mentioned it to the guy and he said, "Well I'm not going to do anything about it."

I was like like "wat......." but didn't mention it. Finalized in my mind that I'd never sleep with him though, just because he said that. He could've said, "c'mon let's go then" or "ha, fuck that guy" - odds on he wouldn't have had to confront him anyway.

An asshole/douche like OP describes wouldn't put up with that shit.

Sorry for any typos/incorrect English. I'm p. high right now

>>12492990
I used to deny that but I know it's true now. Girls love being treated like dirt and that's why I made this /adv/ rant. Why is niceness such a turn off for a lot of girls?

>>12492990

Have you moved to /adv/ for good?

>>12492947 (OP)

I think that women end up thinking niceness equals low self respect. And a lot of these nice guys are willing to put up with more shit than a "mean" guy would.

But, at the same time, there's actual nice guys out there that manage to not let shit get pulled over on them. It has a lot to do I think with balance and having a heart but still managing to realize when enough is enough.

>>12492947 (OP)
They think they can change them or they have delusions of making it work.

Nice guys are finished projects, jerks are potential. Part of the reason for this is that other women want to be accredited for someone else's progress but also if she's thinking of "building a nest", she wants the credit for being the glue that holds the future family together as if were some entitlement.

See, men -- ambitious men, know in their hearts that when they become the breadwinners, they're the driving force that gets the resources for the family: The house, car payments, food, all that shit.

Women, whether they become the homemaker or partner income earner aren't just content with that. They want to be the one to outclass the man in terms of achievements. If they're the reason why their loser/jerk of a boyfriend becomes father of the year, they get to ride that achievement as though they were Peggy fucking Hill, acting like people should be kissing her ass for indirectly making the bread of the house.

In short, if it's not about protection or ambition on the guy's part, it's likely an ego thing. Not all women want this, I'm sure -- but the ones that aim for the jerks know that polishing a turd is the type of achievement that brings her to the top of the pack.

You women are fucking scary.

>>12492990

>Treat a woman like dirt and she'll stick to you like mud.

I bet you feel pretty proud of this.

>>12493035
That is pretty true. From girls who date horrible guys, I always hear, "I can change him!" or "He just needs to get over this or this." but there's always another problem even if they fix that one.

>>12493015
Men aren't to show emotion. We are to remain soulless automatons devoid of feelings.

>>12493022
Nein.

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I've never been one of those girls so I have absolutely no idea. I've always tried to date nice guys. I'm married, my husband is the nicest guy I've ever met, he's also very intelligent and sweet.

Most self proclaimed nice guys (the guys who boast about how nice they are) are sometimes unaware of how jerky they actually are. I dated a guy I was not interested in once, he was one of those guys who complained that nobody would give him a chance and all of his crushes went after jerks and I was the same way - So I gave him a chance, I figured maybe I would find something special in this person if I get to know him. When we went out he always interrupted me when I spoke, he always complimented me excessively and hugged me every 5 minutes and I told him to hug me less and it really offended him. I dated him for probably a month before I couldn't take the constant hugging and he had really bad breath. I asked him to use mouth wash and he also got really depressed and offended.

A lot of really nice guys also go after the wrong type of girl or continue to go after a girl who has already said she wasn't interested. I understand it is hard to find a good match but sometimes they just give up and complain about it or tell everyone they are going to start being a jerk so they can attract someone who probably won't be good for them.

>>12492947 (OP)
OP will you go out with me?

Same kind of thing with army wives, to be honest

Here's a story

>live in small town in the southeast
>girl does this to her boyfriend, one of my "friends"
>he's a little faggot that can't handle loud noises lol what a fag
>looks like justin timberlake, totally a faggot
>he ships off
>his girl is a total whore
>fucks every guy in town
>I fucked her a few times, too
>bitch likes anal
>Said that a nigger had twice what I had when I went to fuck her drunk/stoned ass
>so I beat the fucking shit out of her and left her on the side of the street
>she's being raised/fucked by some nigger named after that one pit in batman or whatevs

Fucking army wives.

>>12493061

Oh ok.

It's pretty cool here and your opinions are interesting but if you were a news station you'd be FOX news and sometimes it freaks me out.

>>12493072
/adv/ is okay but there are metric shitloads of normalfags here. Still, it's a nice change of pace.

Why do you say that?

>>12493063
Self proclaimed nice guys are not real nice guys ever. They usually should be avoided.
And a lot of real nice guys do go after the wrong kind of girls, it can be really hard to find a girl who doesn't want to be treated badly or isn't rotten herself.

>>12493098

But the more "normal" change of pace is nice, I feel like there's a more varied opinion here but it's also nice to have you here because (at least on a lot of gender issue related stuff) you lean more towards favor of males than females. Always having the middle ground/ tumblr femnazi opinion doesn't really help anybody involved and all sides need to be heard.

I say that because you seem to kind of do the O'reilly "no spin zone" on gender issues, and although you provide some great points, you have a set opinion.

>>12493015
It's because nice guys aren't sincere. They're not nice, they're just putting on an act because they think it gets them pussy.

Nice is a cheap quality. They want a man that pushes back and doesn't back down. Nice guys hardly show what they bring to the table and only revolve their lives around whom they're targeting.

The puppy love phase gets old and they start thinking about the kind of person they'll be spending a chunk of their lives with.

See this? >>12493063
This is all the shit you shouldn't be doing as a guy. Don't be a clingy shit whose self worth is tied to whether or not people, let alone that one person you worship will date you. Matter of fact, don't even worship -- that shit is creepy and it shows how empty you truly are.

See, a lot of "nice guys" have a weak foundation at best. They need to build their lives outside of trying to impress/fuck girls.

Remember what we talked about earlier on sincerity now.

>>12493061
>Men aren't to show emotion. We are to remain soulless automatons devoid of feelings.

Wrong. Wrong. Fucking wrong. Men are allowed to have feelings, they're just not allowed to overreact and have thin skin.

Learn to be assertive and learn to be comfortable in your own skin.

>>12493164
I don't agree with you at all. And you sound mad so I won't try and use logic with you either.

>>12493152
Oh. I guess so. I sometimes don't see the point in even getting involved because femnazis (females in general) cannot properly argue nor debate so it's akin to yelling at a brick wall.

>>12493164
I'm a male and every time I have shown feelings, it has bitten me in the ass.

You don't touch the hot pan more than once.

>>12493181
>You sound mad
Maybe, but that doesn't mean I don't listen.

If you're man enough, maybe tell me which points you disagree with and why.

I think the problem is that people interchange nice with spineless. I consider myself a nice, i treat girls right with respect but I'm just confident

>>12493186

But by having that point, you're debating. It's not the fact that you have a point, it's the fact that it has to be turned into something offensive and debatable....

Dammit, how do you always draw me in Bill. It's like you know what to say to get all my jimmies rustled.

>>12493186
>I'm a male and every time I have shown feelings, it has bitten me in the ass.

Honestly, I'm not sure how to help you in this department since you described the situation in such a general way so I have no clue in what to point out could have been better.

I guess consider a speed dating session or something.

>>12493069
>Can't handle loud noises
>Joins the army

Flawless logic.

Most women want balance in a guy. Be nice to her 75% of the time, but want that bad boy/aggressive guy 25% of the time. They love a guy who can take control.

They only want to see that "aggressive" behavior at certain times.

A women gets bored when the guy caters to her every need and leaves you if you are too abusive.

>>12493922
This is accurate

The problem isn't with being nice, it's with "nice" being your only positive characteristic. A nice guy who is also sexy and personable will be tripping over pussy, a nice guy who sits in his mother's basement 24/7 will get to know the ladies of YouPorn on a first-name basis.

>>12493922
>Aggressive

No. The word is "assertive" not "aggressive."

>>12493944
>A nice guy who is also sexy and personable will be tripping over pussy, a nice guy who sits in his mother's basement 24/7 will get to know the ladies of YouPorn on a first-name basis.

Marginalized to the extreme!

>>12493301
I don't necessarily think it works that way. I feel like a debate needs to consist of two intelligent sides; when you don't have these two sides, you have an argument which leads to a quick dead end.

>>12493944
It all comes back to attraction. If you're attractive, women don't give a shit. If you're ugly, then you're a "nice creep".

Here's my story, different femanon speaking.

>Be dating boyfriend for about a year
>He works out a lot, well-toned
>Very kind to me
>Very kind to everyone
>Has a job, car, future, etc.
>Get bitched at constantly by a self-proclaimed "Nice guy" about bf
>"Your bf is such a douche! He's just a stupid meat head!"
>Boyfriend is a stats major with a secured job after graduation
>"Nice guy" is a fedora wearing neckbeard who lives in his parents basement.
>Enough said

I get frustrated when people automatically proclaim that if a guy is well toned, he's obviously stupid and a douchebag. Girls don't crave assholes, they crave fun, and just because a girl might argue with her boyfriend every once in a while doesn't make them bad. It makes them human.

ITT: Fedora wearing kissless virgin betafags

>>12494093
Pretty much.

>>12492947 (OP)
>nice guys who will treat girls right and would be good to them are completely ignored.
Being nice to someone doesn't entitle you to pussypoints. Neither does orbiting them like a giant faggoty moon and letting yourself be their emotional doormat.

The people who get girls are the people who know what they want and are clear about their intentions. As soon as you know for sure that you like a girl romantically, ask her out.

>>12493069
Bane?
He is named Bane?

They like assholes because they are raised this way.
>MOMMY! This boy in my class was mean to me!
>-That just means he likes you honey

Tada.

>>12492947 (OP)
I dont consider myself a nice guy.
I am however nice to everyone. Regardless of gender/looks/income whatever.
Im nice but dont get pussy at all. But then again that all falls back on me. Since I never make a move on any girl I meet.
Mainly out of fear of them already being with someone. I dont wanna go down that path again.

>>12495427
Except that's bullshit.

>>12495432

Except YOUR FACE IS STUPID.

>>12495441
Nu-uh, you doody-head.

>>12495442

Go away I don't like you anymore! PPPPFFFFFFRRRRRRTTTT

Usually because a lot of the more 'asshole' guys are most attractive, confident, and such. But I'm sure /adv/ already heard that.

The 'asshole' guys usually are a lot more ready to be abrasive, and 'act like guys I.E ready to tell another dude off'. In case you already don't know, a LOT of women get turned off by men who know how to do manly things like fixing cars and shit like that. Women also get turned on when they see their guy in a dominate situation with another guy, even if it's non aggressive at all(I.E him standing next to a short beta guy at the store when the short beta guy is helping him find something, the girl will get turned on because her man could easily rip that dudes head off)

They also like the fact and danger of having a good looking BF(good looking usually comes with cockyness). They can go "Oh yeah, my BF is the hottest out of all my friends!" and at the same time have the relationship stay exciting because of the chances that their BF could always find another girl.

OFC all girls are different and I see /adv/ keep trying to constantly group them into the same category.

>>12495459

> * Turned on by men who know how to do manly things

Too early...

>>12493186
You show your feelings constantly and act like a histrionic attention whore that's more over-dramatic than any girl I've ever met. Maybe that's why?

It's not about being nice or not. Every person is different in different circumstances. Stop fucking quantifying people as nice, and not nice. Are you all fucking twelve?

Now if you want to ask why do women stay with abusive men, then there are a few reasons and many studies that have been done on this that are readily available on the internet for everyone heres disposal.

Some women feel guilt, or a societal pressure to stay with a person, some feel attachment that prevails over the abuse, some believe that it will be the same no matter what partner, some like it, some don't give a fuck either way, some stay for money, security, some stay because they believe that they brought it on themselves, and who knows, maybe they've both been playing fucked up games with each other.

Once again people are different in any given situation based on genetic and nurture factors.

I presume that eeyore needed a hug box as a child and never got one so now must blame the world for the fact that he can't handle his own emotions.