Gotcha one OP

You don't HAVE to speak, do you?
If you do, say what you honestly believe, you're not going to find any reliable sources on this website that couldn't be found with a simple google search.

>>9755447
Of course I dont HAVE to. As a male I do not feel like being stomped on for an hour while statistics that are in >>9755435 can help me prove a point

>>9755468
You should play their feelings before playing any logic card. Females are immune to logic.

>>9755468
Sounds pathetic, but okay. Better check out those links first, because I can almost guarantee that they're going to ask for sources for those percentages and if you're not accurate, they're going to shit all over your already feeble manhood.

You're only going to make enemies this way, I'm warning you now. There's no way you'll be able to change their outlook, you'll just get shouted down no matter how valid your points are - the patriarchy is the root of all evil after all.

>>9755428
>http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf
Report financed and endorsed by the Department of Labor proving that there is NO GENDER PAY GAP due to gender discrimination.

I just saw an episode of the Daily Show with a "Woman's Rights" idiot parroting the "herpa derpa 77 cents on the dollar!" bullshit. It's NOT due to gender discrimination, as anyone with an IQ over 50 who spends 2 seconds with the data can see.

>>9755492
Oh, anon.
Can we get a misogyny general?

>>9755505
>not due to gender discrimination
>doesn't offer alternate explanation
The "herrpa derrpa" work both ways, anon.

>>9755505
Also, WOMEN not MEN initiate more divorces. Among college educated women, it's apparently 90%.
>According to a study published in the American Law and Economics Review, women currently file slightly more than two-thirds of divorce cases in the United States.[70] There is some variation among states, and the numbers have also varied over time, with about 60% of filings by women in most of the 19th century, and over 70% by women in some states just after no-fault divorce was introduced, according to the paper. Evidence is given that among college-educated couples, the percentages of divorces initiated by women is approximately 90%.
>Brinig, Margaret; Douglas W. Allen (2000). "These Boots Are Made for Walking: Why Most Divorce Filers are Women". American Law and Economics Review 2 (1): 126–129.

>>9755528
The alternative explanations are in the fucking report I cited and gave you a link to you illiterate retard.

>>9755536
Gee whiz, someone's an uppity little bitch boy.

>>9755505

OP This was exactly what I was looking for. I'm checking those other links too. Sorry to my fellow anons for the misogyny general that will spawn for this, but I guess I kind of asked for it.

>threads about how 4chan can't deal with women
>threads about how women are all stupid and feminism is bullshit

i think these two threads are somehow related

>>9755544
Gee wiz, someone's an illiterate retard. I'd rather be uppity than stupid.

I mean how fucking lazy you? I gave you the link for christ's sake.

>>9755428
Do you want to know how to instantly shut down the entire feminist movement in one fell swoop?

In your class, ask how many of them have ever bought a rap song or even like a rap artist. Point out how there is no other subculture in America that does more to degrade and objectify women, and then point out how the feminist movement has basically done zero point zero percent to fight it in any way. State that until this changes, there is no reason to take any single feminist in the entire movement seriously, and thus no need to participate in this sham of a discussion. Then, walk out, saying as you go that you would love to continue this discussion if any of them get around to being real feminists.

>>9755545
Responding to baseless arguments degrading the male gender isn't misogyny. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

>>9755428
oh my god please record this if you really plan on playing the anti feminist, please plz pls

I would love to hear what specific issues OP has with feminism.

>hurrr I dunno man, it's just like women are alll against us n stuff and I have ta feel bad cause im a man nn stuff, it;s bullshit!!

I'm expecting something similarly retarded.

>>9755570
Great point man although I do think plenty of feminists HATE hip hop/rap

>>9755580
I'll keep that in mind dude thank you.

>>9755614
OP Here
Not against feminism I share the common opnion that women should have equal rights. On the other hand I don't want to deal with the women who don't know what they are talking about stating that their lives are terrible because us men are oppressing them. The job pay gap and the oversexualization is a common topic and I disagree with the common points stated by women in both of these arguments.

Did I seem retarded?

>>9755615
> I do think plenty of feminists HATE hip hop/rap

You would be surprised. I used to date this girl who read a bunch of feminist blogs that ranted about every tiny little thing. Some she read because she agreed, some she read because they were lunatics and that's entertaining. One day, I made the offhand comment "Man, these blogs must really hate rap and black people, huh", and I just got a blank stare back.

She immediately started searching, and could find no mention of any outrage over anything rap related. The one article she did find basically said "Jay-Z has some awful lyrics but his music's good so it's okay". Do some research on this point, dig around, see what you can find, and throw it in their fucking face. They are attention whores and hate mongers, every single one.

>>9755428
Hahaha, honestly bro, if I were in this position, I wouldn't say a god damned thing the entire time. I would just stare at women as they cite bullshit statistics, parrot a bunch of bullshit, etc.

If anyone called me out to defend the male gender, i would just say something like, "I haven't heard anything yet worth responding to. This entire farce of a "debate" has been full of bogus statistics based on nothing but female hormones. Why would I respond to the chirping of birds?" And then poker face my way out of the classroom at the bell.

>>9755675
Fuckyes.jpg

>>9755657
Here's another topic. It's call the 14th Amendment to Constitution of the United States guaranteeing equal protection regardless of gender under the law.

Enter abortion laws that give women the right to murder their babies with vacuum cleaners and thereby avoid child support. How are men equally protected? They're not. Men have no say in what happens to the fetus. After the fetus is born, men have no say when it comes to child support.

Men have no say about their own mother fucking children. You don't get much more sexist than that, especially when there's a ridiculously easy solution:
>The legal male abortion
Men give up all rights to their children and all obligation to pay child support before the third trimester, just like an actual abortion.

Notice how fair that would be. Notice how women oppose it with all of their might and start screaming "dead beat dads!" Feminists who enjoy the "right" to murder their own children and avoid child support while opposing the man's ability to avoid child support as well are blood sucking, gold digging hypocrites who don't believe the Constitution should apply to men and women equally.

>>9755724
So much this

>>9755657

>On the other hand I don't want to deal with the women who don't know what they are talking about stating that their lives are terrible because us men are oppressing them

Perhaps, but the class hasn't even happened yet.

>>9755724
>>9755505
>>9755529
Put me in that mother fucking class! I'm ready to slay some retarded arguments!

>>9755724

Well, the fetus is growing inside of her body. The man shouldn't have equal say. I mean, if both parties have equal say and they disagree then where does that leave you?

>>9755844

With the ability to waive all rights but also to not have to pay child support

fuck you're stupid

Rappers do get criticized sometimes for being misogynistic, OFWGKTA is a recent example.

>the way I wrote that implied that there are other examples, but I can't think of any

>I don't know what I'm talking about basically

>>9755851

The difference between having an abortion and opting out of paying child support is that with one option there is no person in need of care, in the other there is a human being that you helped create which you are just abandoning.

>>9755844
Basically this.
>>9755851
OP take note. There is no logical counter to this:
>>9755724
So women will do this:
>Well, the fetus is growing inside of her body.
And conveniently ignore that the argument IN NO WAY assaulted the woman's right to choose whether or not to have her abortion. The argument dealt with custody and child support ONLY.

Be ready for that retardation.

>>9755900
>There is no logical counter to this:

Um, excuse me but are you fucking stupid?
>>9755896

Or just setting OP up to fail on purpose?

>>9755896
Yeah, kind of like how you have the right to "abandon" it by sucking it's live out of your womb with a vacuum cleaner and throwing it in the trash.

No, you're an idiot. You have the right to "abandon" it by killing the fucking thing. It's only fair that men have the ability to sign away custodial rights AND responsibility for child support BEFORE the baby is born.

OP, remember to stress that this "legal abortion" would only be applicable before the third trimester, just like an actual abortion. It exposes the women who make the above argument to be hypocritical gold diggers.
>Herpa derpa You're abandoning your child even though i have the right TO MURDER IT with a vacuum cleaner!

>>9755896

You are still not addressing how the woman maintain all the power in that situation. What happens when the man wants to raise the child and the woman doesn't? It's not opting out of child support.

Besides you are missing the point, it's not opting out of child support. It's making clear you do not want to be a father before the the fetus is born and since you cannot abort it yourself you remove yourself legally in a similar time line to abortions.

>>9755924

My advice for you is not to raise your hand in class. You are going to make an idiot out of yourself.

>>9755954
Feel free to respond with something intelligent instead of the fetid idiocy of that post.

>>9755944

>Besides you are missing the point, it's not opting out of child support.

Call it what you want, you are choosing not to support a child that you helped create. You know, this is why birth control exists.

u men are all stupidd... no idea how hard it is to be a woman in the modern day first world huh?

no idea where those stats came from but men are seriously responsible for like most of the abuse in society.. aspecially these days.. :/

>>9755954

Do you realize what kind of woman flock to those classes? Even if OP grunts and yells, he will still sound smarter and have better arguments than the people attending. Probably more than the 'professor' teaching it as well.

>>9755971
Also OP, don't get drawn into this idiocy. Notice how there's no response to the 14th Amendment violation of the Constitution. Notice how there's no response to the argument that abortions kill the child, which is far more heinous than giving up custody and child support.

Notice how the entire argument resolves around women have the right to do whatever the fuck they want... and then trying to shame men into going along with it.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

>>9755987
too obvious

>>9755971

Ok this is entering the realm of militant ignorance or trolling.

Birth control is not 100%. More importantly, the fact remains the laws are still at where woman can "opt out" when they helped create the child as well. This is not equal in any sense of the word.

>>9755965

Listen, you didn't even address my response in a coherent way in the first place.

This "legal abortion" isn't an abortion. It's allowing you to create a child and then pretend that it doesn't exist. Once born, a child is entitled to all the rights you are, and that is the obligation of it's parents before anyone else, because they created it. Sex isn't something you are entitled to, and you are well aware of it's possible consequences, pregnancy. You should be able to do something with full knowledge of the possible consequences and then just get to say "nah, I don't feel like dealing with it".

>>9755428
Don't sweat it OP. I took a gender studies class in Uni. Two guys, 33 girls. The other guy and I did pretty much all of the talking because no one else fucking did.

>>9756010
>It's allowing you to create a child and then pretend that it doesn't exist.
Lol, you gotta be trolling.
>Once born
Yep! You're trolling!
>OP, remember to stress that this "legal abortion" would only be applicable before the third trimester, just like an actual abortion.
And illiterate too!

>>9755991
Consider the following OP. If you want to beat the feminists, you will have to beat men first. Men make and enforce the laws that give women an advantages. Men also create the social perception that men should man up and deal with their problems rather than complaining and promote treating women special. Women are actually pretty irrelevant.

>>9755987
>>9755995
Wow.. I thought you guys would fall for this. I've done worse and people got trolled hard.

Femanons have to represent.

>>9756043
>Men also create the social perception that men should man up and deal with their problems rather than complaining and promote treating women special.
Not OP, but I totally agree. Men, you have GOT to stop Uncle Tomming up in this shit. Look up Uncle Tom if you don't know what it is.

You have GOT to stop trying to shame other men into doing shit just because you're pussy whipped.
>Herpa derpa man up!
Translation:
>My wife pussy whipped me and I'm going to try to make myself feel better by helping her pussy whip the world
Stop it.

>>9756007

>Ok this is entering the realm of militant ignorance or trolling.

You know, I'm just trying to have a conversation with you here, but you're making it pretty difficult. I'm trying to be nice here, you should really stop being so arrogant, especially when you are barely able to form a coherent argument. It makes you look like a jackass.

>Birth control is not 100%.

Then don't fuck. You are not entitled to committing actions and then refusing to deal with their consequences. If you argued for making the law so that if any one parent was in favor of abortion then it would be illegal to have the child then that would make a tiny bit more sense, but just allowing someone to impregnate a woman and then walk away without any obligation to deal with something they helped create, that is just...bizarre.

>>9756077

>>9756069
You gotta troll more like her:
>>9755844
>Well, the fetus is growing inside of her body.
Even though she's not trolling and is just an illogical moron, trolls like her are super effective.

Notice how the response completely misses the point of the argument but is something that's commonly said. People assume that she's just fucking stupid and get angry instead of thinking "Huh. Maybe it's a well played troll."

>>9756032

And you consider that a rebuttal? I really hope you do open your big mouth in class, if you are OP. You'll be doing your classmates a favor, not in the way that you think though.

Why on earth would you want to have a child with a woman that is bent on aborting it?

>2012
>being anti-equality

>>9756093
See like this:
>>9756077
She makes no attempt to respond to any of the arguments given and then claims that the other person "can't form a coherent argument."

Super effective troll. That troll's downfall was that she was TOO stupid. Notice how people started to catch on:
>Ok this is entering the realm of militant ignorance or trolling.
You can only ignore glaringly obvious points for so long. This troll did it for one post too long, which made people think, "There's no way this woman is THAT retarded. Her sentences are constructed too precisely for her to have THAT low of an IQ."
= Trolling

That troll could have kept it up by using a cliche like, "Well I see your point, but (insert idiocy that misses the point here)." That would have gotten at least another post or two of anger at her idiocy.

>>9756117

This guy knows his trolling.

>>9756117
>That troll could have kept it up by using a cliche like, "Well I see your point, but (insert idiocy that misses the point here)." That would have gotten at least another post or two of anger at her idiocy.
As you can see here:
>>9756099
>And you consider that a rebuttal? I really hope you do open your big mouth in class, if you are OP. You'll be doing your classmates a favor, not in the way that you think though.
Challenges the other poster for a "rebuttal" even though he/she has offered nothing in the way of logical discussion. Then goes on into an insult.

That would normally get the poster to get angry that the person is being that illiterate. The poster would probably copy/paste the argument that's already been put forth. All the troll would have to do then is re-use the previous troll tactic. Something like this:
>Well, the fetus is growing inside of her body.
And the cycle would be repeated.

>>9755661
I think this is probably more because outspoken liberal feminists tend to be white and not at all interested in rap to begin with, not because they necessarily like the music.

>>9756117

See, what is happening here is that he is avoiding responding to my point by pretending that I'm a troll.

I gather that there is an imbalance of power when it comes to choosing to have an abortion or not, but I fail to see how that justifies letting men impregnate women and then walk away from the child. Apparently you think this game of tit for tat is more important than the child's well being.

hurr I'm fully aware that sex exists for impregnation but I still get to call safe and avoid the consequences if something I don't like happens!!

Also, I'm not a woman, but you are a legit misogynist, which is ironic considering people like you justify this class which you so hate. It really is poetic justice, I hope the professor fails you. Bahahaa...

I love this thread. It went from OP asking for help about combating feminazis, actually getting legit advice, trolls popping up, spotting the trolls, and then a how-to troll guide.

There's literally no reason to have kids anymore.

There's tons of kids out there that need a family.

But people keep fucking.

>>9756163
You're finished troll. You almost had me, but then:
>That troll could have kept it up by using a cliche like, "Well I see your point, but (insert idiocy that misses the point here)." That would have gotten at least another post or two of anger at her idiocy.

>>9756163

>Apparently you think this game of tit for tat is more important than the child's well being.
This is strong troll bait. Very effective to those not familiar with it's logical fallacy. Sometimes it's hard to choose whether I'm impressed by a trolls willingness to continue trolling after being called out or saddened by the lack of pride.

Honestly though 5/10. Not the guy who was dissecting this stuff earlier, but third party here.

>>9756235
>Apparently you think this game of tit for tat is more important than the child's well being.
Yeah lol, that's the phrase that almost got me.

>>9756235

In class you are not going to be able to get away with ignoring the other person's argument and calling them a troll. Just something to keep in mind before you embarrass yourself.

>>9756259
What argument! Hahahah! God damn this troll is tenacious; I'll give him that.

Here's the answer to "How come I gotta pay just cuz I'm the baby daddy?" is because the rest of us don't want to, even though the kid will likely be a net drain on society, so since it has your genes, we - that is to say 'society' - will stick you with as big a bill towards the expense as we can get out of you and then make your life unpleasant until you comply.

Nothing personal - just don't want to pay for -your- kid.

Frombreading this thread I think you should pick on specific women not all at once
>who listens to any rap/hiphop......ya fuck you
>who is pro choice.....legal male abortion....ya fuck you
By then that's 99% of the class

>>9756235
yep thats a troll. I can tell by some of the pixels and from seeing a lot of trolls in my day

>i almost lost it

>>9756273

An airtight argument on your part, oh brother this troll doesn't give up!

: 3

>>9756259
Now I'm becoming saddened,

>>9756273
>keeps replying to troll
>"wow the troll keeps replying too, that sure doesn't happen often"

>>9756301
my hips are moving on their own

>2012 ishigidy diggitdy do

>>9756279

>Frombreading this thread I think you should pick on specific women not all at once
>who listens to any rap/hiphop......ya fuck you

What the fuck does this even mean? I'm not even kidding, it's like your speaking some foreign language. You're speaking moron.

>>9756301

This is the post that is either the troll doing a version of
>lol i troll u!!!
a seemingly damned if you do respond, damned if you don't.
or a bystander that doesn't understand what trolling is.

I can't have fun pointing out this stuff?

Ok, I'm a man and I agree that men should get to opt out, but, that's not exactly fair. Its rather easy to opt out when compared to the physical act of abortion. Perhaps a small one off fee should be paid to the woman to compensate her for the cost and discomfort of the abortion. Then all would be fair.

>>9756311
>You seem frustrated (go back to the kitchen)
You should have been able to realize the b instead of a space was a typo
I'm sorry I didn't add proper punctuation on my iPod
The "ya fuck you" would be replaced with the actual logic that most rap and hiphop is anti-women (unless you listen to obscure shit tier rap) (but this isn't a musical debate so ill stop there)

>>9756355
i'm a bystander and understand trolling perfectly. also, i never implied that you're not having fun or anything. Obviously, whether you're having fun or not doesn't change the following facts:
>you pointed out an obvious troll and kept feeding it at the same time
>women are bad
>abortion is good
>i like pizza

>>9756373

This is my genuine opinion, if I may.

You shouldn't get to opt out because there is a fucking kid walking around that you created but aren't paying for. Abortion is an acceptable form of opting out because you aren't putting any kind of burden on society. So this leaves us with the problem of who gets to make the choice for abortion, since it is the only acceptable way of opting out of raising a child.

It is completely dependent on the mother's body, everything else being equal, I think this tips the scale and gives her choice priority.

It would be nice if someone has an actual response, I'm just bored and looking for a conversation, they are a lot more entertaining than shouting troll at each other.

>>9756383

I see...

>backs out of the room slowly

>>9756418

That's it in a nutshell.

>>9756417

Don't understand your point. You are doing the same thing by stating the obvious. Whats wrong with feeding the trolls?

Don't say anything, stupid.

I'm an avid Atheist and even I lose arguments in big Christian crowds.

>>9756440
I didn't say feeding the troll is wrong. I said that it's not remarkable that a troll being fed keeps trolling.

>>9756418
This argument is invalid because the legal male abortion would be required to take place before the third trimester. Doing so would allow the FEMALE to make an informed choice about paying for the baby by herself OR aborting it.

So it would satisfy your "female choice" opinion as well as allow men a separate but equal option.

>>9756451

You can't argue with a crowd, the crowd wins by default. How do you get in those situation anyway, you just mouth off in church?

>>9756418
I'm fine with the idea of not impregnating women for giggles and then leaving the kid alone, but then we're going to have a problem facing the utter stupidity of women who keep babies nevertheless. Yes, getting or not getting an abortion affects their precious BODY, but having a kid affects three lives. It's either both parents want the kid or the kid doesn't get to exist.

>>9756452

Even when not accomplishing the main objective of trolling? To get an emotional response from it's intended audience? Typically anger.

I'd say it's like a rat eating rat poison and still wanting more when it knows it's dying.

>>9756373
I'm a feminist and I agree with males and females having the choice to opt out of parenthood when they do not want to be parents.

Parenthood is not a punishment for sex, not in the 21st century in a first world country. Parenthood is too important, too serious, to be used as a punishment. Raising a child well is hard enough when you WANT a kid and are ready for one.

>>9756478
>>9756418
Hell, you could set it up so that the legal male abortion has to be done within 30 days of being notified that the woman is pregnant and that doctors are mandated by law to inform the father that a woman is pregnant with his child.

That would give women even longer to make their own decision.

>>9756478

>Doing so would allow the FEMALE to make an informed choice about paying for the baby

She would only have a couple of months, what is she going to do, go back to college? Work a job while she is nurturing an infant? Stop calling arguments invalid, just explain why they are wrong. Jesus...

Be on the defense, not the offense. If anyone of those idiot 'modern feminists' speaks out then don't try to attack her, just defend yourself. She'll look like an idiot while she tries to grasp for things to hurl at you.

But it might turn out peaceful or all in good fun. Feminism is good, but the way that it's contorted it's made out to be bad (extremist feminist).

http://www.mgtowforums.com/forums/blogs/fairi5fair/36-growing-manosphere.html
good luck OP

>>9756508
no, if she can't afford it, she may have to abort or borrow money or go back to her parents.

>>9756508
>She would only have a couple of months, what is she going to do, go back to college?
Your argument actually is invalid because it completely neglected the point that male abortions would be done with sufficient time for females to make an informed decision to keep or abort.

An argument is a straw man, and therefore invalid, when it "refutes" a misunderstanding of the original proposition. This is basic logic. Keep up.

>>9756503
it's good to hear something that makes sense regarding this topic.

>>9756508

See now this is a hard to spot troll. Completely ignoring their own logic when applying it to man.

Intentional?

>>9755428
That's exactly what I just said.

And no, family members. I'll say something vaguely Atheistic and they all want to build on it.

>>9756533

Let me address that point head on for you then.

The fact that you are giving the women notice of your decision and providing them with time to make their own decision is irrelevant, because the entire act of the male opting out of responsibility for the child is wrong in the first place. If you are going to do something immoral it doesn't matter whether or not you give prior notice.

If you are going to have sex with someone you assume that possible responsibility. You are not entitled to sex without consequences.

>>9756542
Lol god damn it the troll got me!
>>9756533
The secret to trolling is being plausibly retarded. As you said, the poster demonstrated straw man and hypocrisy all in one post. The readers are left wondering, "Idiot... or troll?"

"Feminists are lesbians."
Thus should be the start your speech. Yep, the three four words.
At that point, the majority of girls will disagree strongly. Hope they stop you here and shout and cry and boo and everything. The more they react violently, the more you win.
Then you explain that you don't believe it (it was just a citation of an opinion that some people have). Then just say that you were outraged by this prejudice. How could someone judge someone just like that, without any knowledge? That's akin to racism, or at least it is a form of exclusion that humanists should condone.
OK. So, now the girls around you should agree.
Last step here. Ask the question: why should such a prejudice be done upon men? Feminism is full of ideas about men that are almost as erroneous as racism. Therefore feminism, even if its goals of equity are good, is a bad way.

>>9756557
>The fact that you are giving the women notice of your decision and providing them with time to make their own decision is irrelevant, because the entire act of the male opting out of responsibility for the child is wrong in the first place. If you are going to do something immoral it doesn't matter whether or not you give prior notice.
So, in your opinion, abortion should be illegal as well since it violates your "moral" principles?

>>9756558

Actually, the secret to trolling is to be as obnoxious as humanly possible. I'm not going to lie, you're good at it.

>>9756557

>wrong
>immoral

3/10

God dammit you were doing so well too.

>>9756572
>>9756557
(Pro-tip since you might actually be serious) You're a hypocrite if you say anything other than, "Yes, abortion should be illegal." And if you say abortion should be illegal, you prove that the law isn't based on your moral compass.

The law not being based on your moral compass should be self-evident anyway, but.

>>9756559
I can see this going over a hell of a lot of heads.

>>9756572

No, let me elaborate. I see no problem with abortion because there was never a human being in the first place. Once there is a human infant, it is required that it be cared for by the parents if they are capable.

So it isn't an even playing field when it comes to child birth, but hey, men and women are different. I don't think our differences justifies discrimination against women in the work place, but I do think it means that not everything is going to be completely fair when it's a simple matter of anatomy. They have the uterus, that is why it has to be different.

>>9756557
>not entitled to sex without consequences

(>>9756503 here)

Why? When modern medicine and science allows us to escape the consequences, tell me why we should have to endure them?

STDs can be another consequence of sex. Does that mean that if a person catches crabs or chlamydia after sex, he should not cure it? He should accept it as the sad but just consequence of irresponsible sex?

A person who is not financially or emotionally ready is more responsible getting an abortion or supporting his girlfriend's abortion than deciding to muddle through with the whole creating new life malarkey and hoping it turns out well.

>>9756590

I actually ignored it until now.

I don't think it will work. At some point one of the women will undoubtedly ignore the logic of it and resort to a emotional response that will have a snowball affect on the class of hens.

>>9756616

>Why? When modern medicine and science allows us to escape the consequences, tell me why we should have to endure them?

I'm not saying that we should treat STD's. I'm saying that if there is a live person that you contributed to creating, then you don't get to say "nah, I really don't feel like taking care of it, but hey, I gave her prior notice!"

I don't consider fetuses to be legit human beings, and that is why I consider abortion to be justifiable.

>>9756644

>we shouldn't treat STD's.

fixed, hehe

>>9756559
there are a variety of views held by feminists.

Some, like Valerie Solanos are murderous nutcases who want to kill all the men.

Some, like the feminist who posted in this thread to say that males and females should both be able to choose not to be parents, are inoffensive.

Saying "all feminists are sexist man-haters" or "all feminists are hypocrites" is like saying "all Christians are mormon polygamists" or "all Christians are homophobes". It is a ridiculous statement that merely makes the speaker look ignorant.

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>>9756604
the problem is this "consequence" talk. people actually think someone who isn't ready should be a parent because "that's the consequence of what they did", like it's some sort of castigation. "There, get this baby! Next time you'll think twice before you have sex!". All this creates is an unhappy mom, an unhappy dad and an unhappy son. Everyone should avoid parenting if they don't feel ready, and possibly avoid it if they feel ready too because they don't know how their child will even feel about life. Like I said, this is all about mothers being dumb and adamantine about "HAVING A KID!!". When we will have eradicated the abortion stigma and sex shaming we will be able to talk about parents not opting out of parenting. It's unacceptable that someone should dedicate their life to a kid out of their partner's whim.

arguments against abortion are given by bigots who don't know a damned thing about biology.
When pregnant, a woman is linked to the future baby in a very complex way. She is not just a neutral bag. The thing inside her is not just a tumor or parasite.
Once you realized that, you can't be against abortion.

OP, check out the wiki page for the ERA (Equal Rights Amendment) and its sordid history.

Why isn't equality for women written into the Constitution as an amendment? You'll be very surprised: it was liberal democrats who got it the way; they were afraid of special exceptions laws being overturned by the amendment - in other words, they didn't WANT women to be treated equally.

Being misogynist (I mean real misogynist, like calling all women bitches and whores and liars and manipulators etc) isn't a very good way to argue feminism, especially if the feminists are the misandrist type. It's better just to point out the the flaws in their ideas if there are some, or at least bring up information that shows counter examples.

For example if they start speaking about the gender pay gap then you can bring up that it is due to women's choices. Their choice to have a job that requires fewer hours, their choice to have a job will less of a commute, their choice to have a safer (as in less chance of injury on the job) job, their choice to work less overtime, their choice to take more personal time off, etc. None of that is misogynist, it's just facts. A misogynist way of arguing gender pay gap would be to make a generalization that all women aren't as good at their job as men or they should just stay in the kitchen.

>>9756660
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/for-the-feminists-who-arent-like-that/

The whole "legal abortion" thing actually already exists. You can sign away your entire rights to the kid. However, this means that you're not legally the father iirc, and the mother will probably dislike you forever anyway. It's something you should talk with a laywer about, though.

If a man wants the kid and the woman doesn't, however, there's not much you can do about that. Forcing her to carry it infringes upon her autonomy, and shit, pregnancy ain't exactly easy. If it was possible to take embryos out and give them to men or an artificial womb to raise I would support that, but it's just not possible yet. This is a situation where the woman's rights override the man's.