no i dont know anyone who committed suicide, and ofc i though about it myself but why bother, if i feel so shitty just meens i need to try and change the thang

both of my friends (who don't know each other) have tried :/

i haven't -- i want to live as long as possible and see the advancements of technology and science. it's worth bearing this loneliness.

>2 friends
>lonely
>pick one
>no -- they live in a different state after i moved for work

I've "attempted" and the only person I told thought I only wanted attention. Feels bad I still think about doing it.

My brother killed himself about eight months ago. He had been depressed off and on his whole life, and had not long ago hit another rough patch where he made a few attempts with pills and booze, but he seemed to recover - he'd found a new job, gotten himself out of debt, was living on his own again, he seemed to be perfectly happy, but he just out-of-the-blue did it. I guess because I didn't live with him, it still kind of feels like he's still around, and I missed him horribly after he died, but now it's settled into something that's less grief and more a kind of depression.

If you're thinking about doing it, please don't.

my uncle committed suicide... sad, sad stuff... he was the only uncle i had that wasn't a complete fuck up.

I think it's a very selfish way to go after seeing the pain it brought my family. But I have thought about it before. I don't think I ever could. I own four guns and I could easily if I wanted to. But I wouldn't want to put my family through that. Especially my mother.

my cousin committed suicide by drinking antifreeze.

He drove afterwards, got pulled over for being drunk off the antifreeze basically. cops saw orange juice in backseat and assumed he was drinking even though he was screaming about drinking antifreeze and saying he needed help.

He died in a jail cell.


this was around Christmas
cops were suspended without pay for a while

There was a court case or something a few years later

lost because he was diagnosed bipolar

>>9292231
dude i really don't want to just because i dont want to put my family through that shit

but im nonfunctioning levels of depression, after years of trying to fix the situations, I am worse than I off than ever

>>9292161
yes i think about suicide
i made all the wrong choices in life
and it's too late for me to fix them

some people just don't fit in aren't meant to be happy etc
it's life it's not fair

>>9292247
>>9292254

Here's my /adv/

man the fuck up pussies. Life is hard. Stop moping. Just fucking wake up and strive to do something everyday and make it a success. Start small then build on it.

Someone fucking post that copypasta about living the rest of your days to the fullest if you're suicidal

>>9292267
meh why

i'm a forever alone creepster

>>9292267

What if nothing truly makes you happy? What do you do then?

>>9292276
Make other people miserable.

>>9292267
This is the dumbest advice anyone can give. You aren't even saying anything. An individual can't make success, it is defined by the collective society. If this society was designed for all of us to be successful, we would all be billionaires.

Go spread your delusional "be positive" bullshit somewhere else, it is nonsense. Maybe read a little bit about economic systems, social systems then see if this shit holds water.

I tried to. It went awfully, as you can see. Because I'm still here.

I took about 200 or 300 pills, I'd say. Sounds about right. I know I took a bunch of bottles of my medication and just downed them.

And then I woke up in the hospital, wondering if I was indeed in Hell. I was not, it turns out. I couldn't open my eyes and I had this ache in my throat, the pain of having a fucking tube down your throat.

Then you wake up, tired from fighting against the restraints to get that damned tube out of your mouth. You realize that there is no Heaven or Hell because you were fucking dead for a while and nothing happened.

And then you end up in a group ward for a week.

That's how suicide is, friend. That's how it is.

>>9292329
Yeah I've down it before too. I tried it in a garage + CO. Neighbors saw the smoke coming out of the garage and called the cops. Dragged out of a car in front of all my neighbors, then 2 weeks in a psyche ward.

Only made me more cautious for my next attempt, which is why, if I am to do it, I am choosing a shotgun.

>>9292361
Someone was mentioning how some dude tried to shotgun himself but used birdshot so all he did was blow his face off. Still alive and everything, just gurgling and moaning through the open wound in his face.

>>9292374
there's the kids that commited suicide over judas priest shit

one of them killed themselves the other decided to try
and is horribly disfigured

>>9292374
I already consulted /k/ about this. Birdshot = full retard.

I want to use slugs. Guaranteed.

>>9292390
Fucking retarded.

Suicide is silly. Don't do that shit, guys.

There have been plenty of time where I thought of suicide...only two times in my life where I actually started planning for it. But, then I started growing as a person through plenty of new experiences and now I am looking to the future.

Its all about the strength of your character. Even when I started planning for it, I always had the thought in the back of my head of "I just want to have a good life" and that always made me have a purpose.

I don't want to die knowing that my life was shitty and that I could have done something to change it.

But there are always people out there who can't see it that way. not because they are stupid or just not optimistic enough. People make choices. People who are contemplating suicide should just know that what they are contemplating is permanent.

I live in SF...and a lot of people jump off the Golden Gate bridge...I think about 3k+ since its opening. And one guy who actually survived said that once he jumped, he immediately regretted it. Just think about that. Did the other people who didn't survive have his same thought?

anyway I'm just rambling.

>>9292398
did you ever see that movie the bridge

that was fuckin sad

they filmed people jumping off the bridge and then went and interviewed their families

>>9292398
I want a better life, of course, which is why I haven't done it yet. No one actually wants to die, they just want to end the suffering. We are biologically designed to avoid death at all costs. Sometimes life becomes too unbearable to live.

>>9292329

But, if there is a god and you did die, wouldn't he just know that you weren't meant to die...so you didn't see anything?

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, because I also don't believe in the afterlife.

yes, though I didn't know them myself
yes
I'm trying to figure out a natural poison that I can acquire very easily
at least that way if it fails I can cover it as accidental ingestion of a toxic material and I might not have to go to a psyche ward

>>9292415

Yea, I saw that the first time I was contemplating suicide. Made me think a lot. Its just really awful to think that once you jump, there isn't anything you can do but think about what you have just done.

meh helium is looking good to me
apparently you can order canisters from party stores

the only thing i'm worried about is panic before you pass out

>>9292247
>>9292254
here's a song for you~~~:D it's girly, but i like the lyrics. :3 cheer up!!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkY_BksDUxo&

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPf9E_I5y58&

>>9292439

The last moments of your life will be hellish. People don't know panic until they've had a real panic attack out of no where. The first time I had one, I thought I had been raped, murdered, gone to hell and left in purgatory. Not that I had imagined it...I was actually living it...spent 6 months trying to get my life back together

And if you've never had a panic attack and you try to kill yourself with helium cans...you're last moments will be worse than any horrible depressing/mind-numbing/heart-wrenching feelings you have felt ever

>>9292445
cute song

>>9292453
o well

it's either charcoal bbq, helium, car exhaust but doubt that'll even work.

meh prolly just end up hanging myself

>>9292430
I heard the holy grail of chemicals is Nembutal. You just sleep like a baby and die in your sleep. Have to go to Mexico to get that shit now.

>>9292445
why haven't i heard of lenka b4

Went to high school with this really cute girl.
She dated this weird guy. Dressed and looked like an absolute douchebro, but I never saw him act like one. Or really talk at all, really.
She was one of 3 chicks that would go to get treated lunch with our resident pedophile teacher.
I heard someone else say that she had really poor control over her emotions. Like if you told her that you saw a dead cat on the street, she'll break down and cry.
It was really sad to hear that she killed herself after a few years, and I acted like a faggot when I found out. I think she was still dating the pseudo-douche when she did it.

>>9292471
no way I can get to mexico from canada. don't have my n

plus something that isn't indigenous to bc would be suspicious

>>9292271
>>9292276
>>9292302

wow you guys are pathetic, but this guy is the most pathetic:

>>9292302

seriously believes an individual can't be successful... what a moron. Stop blaming your stupid fucked up life on everyone else. I've been depressed and I worked my way out of it because I didn't want to feel like that anymore. And now I'm fine. It's a two-way street that only seems like a one-way.

The moment you man up and accept responsibility for your own actions, and stop blaming society or things you can't control is when you wont be as pathetic as you are now. No one said shit was easy and if you expect society to hand everything to you for you to feel like you belong then there is something wrong with you.

>>9292302
>>9292302
>>9292302
>>9292302
You sir, are a faggot of the highest form. And I never want anyone to kill themselves, except for you. You should. You, go kill yourself now. Do it faggot.

an old friend did it to himself a year or so ago. no one really knows why. we weren't close and didn't really hang out much, but we both had a lot of admiration and respect for each other that was completely unique from anyone else i've ever met. i saw him a week before he did it after not seeing him for about a year and we made plans, but we never had the chance. he was a black dude, knowing him he would have said something like "a nigger lynching himself, go figure."

i miss the guy.

i think about it daily honestly, but i don't have any reason to. i've made some bad decisions but i'm well aware i can fix my problems and become a better and happier person.

>>9292552
You are finding implications I did not make. Judging by your posts, you are not a very intelligent fellow. But I may be mistaken. To challenge your assertion that individuals can't be successful, I'll ask you just one question.

How does one define success?

>>9292562

>"you are finding implications I did not make"
>go to >>9292302
>"An individual can't make success, it is defined by the collective society."

You sir, are an idiot. I wasn't implying anything. I was telling you what you said. You said an individual can't make success. I believe an individual is more than capable of making success and being successful. The way I was using the word "success" in my original post was as achieving a goal. Anyone can set a goal every day and achieve it. Whether it be taking the trash out or running a mile. It doesn't have to be large, just something.

>wait n/m I'm the dumb one.

>>9292784
Unless you are Siddhartha Gautama himself, you are not a happy fulfilled individual from taking out the trash and running a mile. Get the fuck out.

>>9292852

it's not about the act itself so much as completing something you set out to do. Those are just examples of easy shit you can do. The faggots in this thread are whining like they don't do shit except sit on the comp all day and eat their own shit so these would be acceptable goals to achieve.

bamp

>>9292872

Just wanted to say, I have a life. I'm just unhappy. I can't help it at this point.

>>9292872
Yes, but even these things in itself are not "individually defined successes". Each one of these successes is perceived as one because of some sort of social or biological imperative.

I think most people would lead happy lives if they have the basic needs fulfilled, like food and shelter and the basic social needs fulfilled like love and companionship. You are not going to get this happiness from running a mile or taking out the trash. We are not talking about any accomplishment, we are talking about the successes which lead to happiness. I thought this was obvious, but I guess I was mistaken to assume so.

Sadly, these are not always easily accessible, contrary to what you may believe. Modern society has commodified everything, including social relationships, and they are dispensed in abundance to those with the most arbitrary successes, and the least to those lacking success. This often perpetuates the cycle, only further leading one to fall into failure or into success.

Furthermore, many successes are not achieved out of a sheer lack of will, but a result of the biology from which one was born with and the social status one was born into or achieved as a result of their biology (in this case, usually aesthetic beauty). Given all of this. I am going to once again ask you to get the fuck out.

This guy who was my brother's best friend killed himself two years back. Guy used to take me to school when I was little, he was around my family my entire life.

Went to Afghanistan as a royal marine. Killed a bunch of sandies, watched his friends die, fetched parts of what was left of them to be able to send home.

Army discharged him temporarily 'cause he'd starting going a bit loopy but he was kind've too manly, decided to opt out of getting help. After a whole bunch of shit and his memories just plaguing the shit out of him, alcohol, pills and hung.

May sound weird but I've always thought that he made the right decision. He'd made plenty of wrong ones beforehand, not getting help when he should have and, y'know... joining the army. But I figure he was kinda beyond all repair by that point. I sorta felt good that now he could finally let his demons go and be at peace.

Because of which though it annoys the shit out me when people bawww and go "waahhh I'm forever alooone, I'm going to kill myself". You don't have real problems, you have normal every day problems, now shut the fuck up and live like the rest of us and leave suicide to those who are genuinely fucked.

>>9292919
What if I have cancer? Would it be justified then? Who are you to tell me what is right and wrong?

>>9292925
But if you've got cancer and it's terminal, you are genuinely fucked and saving yourself from something you cannot escape.

Terminal illness = actual problem
Ugly and no girlfriend = man the fuck up

>>9292943
See, this is the problem. You have this association with cancer, as some sort of big deal. Being some fat ass forever alone guy isn't some sort of "Man the fuck up" situation. That doesn't even fucking exist.

Everything in this entire universe functions on causality. There are reasons every person is the way they are. Behaviors became engrained in the mind. We grow more synaptic terminals and lose others, depression is a deformity of the brain as are the many other illnesses that can affect these people. It is stupid fucking ignorant people like you which depreciate the severity of mental instability.

Why would anyone willingly chose to be in a circumstance where their life sucks, which leads them to be depressed? Or better yet, why would anyone chose to be depressed? They are lazy? Too much of a pussy? This is the opinion of a complete moron.

By looking at the world and people this way, you are forever only going to be looking at half of the picture. All of this stuff is interconnected. From your brother's friend who died in Iraq, to some fat forever alone neck beard. They are all products of the same socioeconomic construct which has allowed for these things to even exist. These aren't choices, we are destined to become these things. And you are one of the many stupid fucks perpetuating it.

>>9292912

Any person who believes that true love and relationships are a commodity that is to be traded at a price obviously has never felt loved. The blatant pessimism in your post only leads me to believe that you sir, are truly a lost soul. You see no hope in mankind. I do not share your opinions, and I hope this is not a widespread belief.

Wow. I am saddened by the way you perceive the world around you. You truly must be a sad, sad person. So I again say, kill yourself. You should kill yourself right now.

>>9292948

just to let you know I didn't ask you the cancer question. That was someone else. Jumping to conclusions is also a sign stupidity.

>>9292872
As someone who has tried to kill themselves, and still deals with depression in a big way, I agree with this guy. Sorry, but in the moment it always seems harder than it actually is. The reason why you're probably having trouble believing in this guy is because he's not presenting goals that hold VALUE to YOU. everyone has something that they can change and will drag them out of their "funks." I wanted to kill myself because I was the punching bag of my family, and my worth was based solely on that. I wanted to kill myself because all I really knew was being alone, no friends, no significant other, no future, no connections, shitty grades because why should I give a fuck if that was all I was useful for? In other words: NO GOALS. After realizing, thanks to the help of some amazing people and HOBBIES that I GENUINELY ENJOYED and helped me MAKE FRIENDS, that its not about your self worth. You were born and survived this long for a reason. Don't end it because you feel like youre corned and want a cheap way out. Don't tell me there isnt a way out besides suicide, because there ALWAYS IS.
The point is, of course taking the fucking trash out isnt going to make you jump for joy and want to become the most positive person in the world; dont be an idiot. Instead of bitching and moaning on 4chan, take that free time to look within yourself and find out whats really going on. Build goals off of that.

Oh and, before you decide that you "want to end it" because of reasons, i suggest you got to "Best Gore" and look at the "Suicide" tag. Still want to do it?

Look, I'm not going to tell you anything besides its not
over. I could care less what you do; but don't give up. Its so selfish and such a fucking waste of life

>>9292949
Have you ever even read a book? This isn't some sort of bleak pessimistic outlook, this is the most dominant ideology in all of academia. I was assigning no moral quality to it, I am simply defining the situation. I am sorry that this bothers your rampant idealism.

Also, I never said that they are intrinsically commodities. We existed for nearly 2 millions years in egalitarian matriarchal societies where none of this existed. This is a very recent phenomena

>>9292912

whoa dude, i just read this whole thread and wtf are you talking about. Stop talking like a faggot. This is 4chan not ur fucking term paper

My committed suicide. Actully changed my life for the better sense he was a psyco.

And no, as I said life is better

>>9292949
This, just this. It's all just excuses to avoid really trying to change things around you for the better. Even those born with a susceptibility to depression can get plenty of help easily, especially with hormonal treatment as the defect is caused by a hormonal imbalance. A person from the worst background possible can end up with what is a great life for them, even if it doesn't seem so great to others. Only an idiot believes that problems cannot be overcame and are just excusing themselves from making an effort. Mind you, these are the ones who should kill themselves so we don't have to put up with their nonsense BS.

>>9292956
I never claimed nor do I want to kill myself. I am simply arguing misinformation. Also, you are right, I agree with you completely, it is all about what you value.

but this was my very point. My "values" are not "mine". They will always be dependent on some sort of external component. We are designed to empathize with the species. We will (unless you heavily meditate or have some sort of brain abnormality) always learn values from the greater society.

And don't forget to even have values necessitates something to be of greater worth than something else. In this context, there will always be the inferior and the superior. There must be those suffering for those to succeed simply for the sake of defining the concept.

>>9292958

>most dominant ideology in all of academia
>troll detected

more like IdeaLOLogy

>>9292963

A whole suicide?

>>9292967

Dude seriously all this shit and your gonna start a nature vs. nurture argument... kill yourself now

>>9292965
Success rates with SSRIs is variable. Secondly, serotonin is not the only neurochemical which is associated with happiness. There are complexes in the ventrolateral ventromedial and dorsal PFC that can all lead to depression, as well as abnormalities in the amygdala and its associated grey matter.

We do not even know how to begin to approach treatment of these sections of the brain, considering we do not understand them very well.

And yes, a person from the worst background can end up leading an amazing life, however this is an outlier, a rare event, and is not statistically significant.

Statistically and empirically speaking, the better the initial conditions for any person, the more likely they are to succeed in life. God damn it Aristotle. I fucking hate you irrational idealists.

>>9292967

I am not depressed. But I do consider myself a misanthrope. I definitely do NOT empathize with the species.

>>9292969
Yes dialectical materialism, positivism, materialism, and post-positivism are the most dominant ideologies in academia, whether it be science, sociology, anthropology, or socioeconomics.

>>9292990
>unless you heavily meditate or have some sort of brain abnormality

A lot of studies show similar brain abnormalities in schizophrenics, the depressed, and sociopaths. Especially in the amygdala (associated with emotional memory).

>>9292996
?

>>9292991

>marxist

kill yourself now

>>9293001
>reads my post and thinks Marxism
>doesn't even know what they are

I've been thinking deeply about the form and content of my suicide note. I probably wont do it, a lot of people have died/are dying in my family at the moment and I wouldnt want them to have to deal with my death just because Im a miserable self pitying loser.

i used to think about suicide.

i was depressed, i was angry, i was hurt, i was afraid of falling far short of expectations... but then, i realized that when i wasn't thinking about my problems, i was actually a pretty happy guy.

i enjoy life, i'm helpful, people seem to like me, i'm smarter than the average person and i'm really not that unlucky... and all in all, i really enjoy living when i'm not obsessing about my problems. no matter what happens, i might be disappointed with myself but i can still enjoy myself -which is shallow and stupid but that means there's no point in not trying to be the best that i can possibly be.

>>9293003

>dialectical materialism
>dominant ideology
>marxism

dialectical materialism is a fucking part of Marxism you faggot. every faggot in the fucking world knows that shit. Fucking google the faggot shit. Go back to your dorm room and jerk off to an ugly betty episode you faggot.

>>9292991
are you sixteen? shut up and stop overthinking shit that doesnt make sense. You want to argue that its wrong for the general public to argue that its ok the kill yourself if you have "real problems" as opposed to "not real problems?" Well, would do you think of neither being an acceptable excuse? Wanna know something? Every therapist I have ever talked to has always repeated the same thing "There is never an excuse." Thats because there NEVER is an excuse to kill yourself. What are you achieving by killing yourself? Nothing. Its the epitomy of failure. So how about instead of sitting in front of your computer screen trying to think up the next "deep, intelligent" material for your preteen poetry, why dont you get the fuck up and do something thats actually worth it? You do realize that if you dont want to kill yourself, but DO want to argue for the "poor fat neckbeards" who will be forever alone, your life is a fucking waste? Stop being a whiteknight and do something to improve your own life

>>9293011

He IS a poor fat neckbeard though man...

>pic related, HIM

>>9293009
*salutes* Same situation bro. It's always good to see someone try their best. As someone who also thought like that and came to that realisation, it brings about a nice feeling of hope. Not so sure about the above average intelligence in my case, but so long as I continue to learn that shouldn't be a problem.

>>9293009
some things which boost my mood:

beginning my day with olive oil, toast, vitamin d, an egg and a garlic pill, then eating organic, homegrown apples or hardtack with water throughout the day.

each of these things either boost mood or boost testosterone, which makes me more happy and focused and less easy to get distracted with annoyances (i'm more of a 'murder-suicide' type... i like to carry myself like a buddha but i can get seriously pissed off at some really insignificant things if i don't eat well).

i don't know if it's a physical problem but i don't tend to feel very well if i don't eat well... which sounds really dumb when i type it out but it's not something i ever considered before reaching puberty. i guess you really have to start watching your diet when you turn 15, or you can easily slide into a rage-funk.

>>9293011
It really must be difficult talking out of your ass all day.

Once again, I am not suicidal. First off, morality is relative, arbitrary, human conceived, and virtually non existent without a human validator.

Instead of dissecting anything I've said (you probably can't), you resort to ad hominen. This is also known as "hurrr you're a faggot neckbeard".

I am not justifying suicide, I am simply trying to remove the negative association. Maybe realize that suicidal people are ill. Your bullshit "Pick your life up together and get motivated!" shit is a bunch of nonsense. I've already explained why. Also

>Every therapist I have ever talked to has always repeated the same thing "There is never an excuse."

First off, why therapists are you talking to therapists, and why should I care? Your dialect with some therapist(s) does not create a priori knowledge and objectify a completely arbitrary construct.

>>9293010
>wiki'd dialectical materialism
>completely ignores the rest

>>9293024
i should probably go to sleep soon and stop arguing with you ignorant fucks

why are you talking to therapists*

The only good reason to commit suicide is out of curiosity.

>>9293024

>ad hominen
>hominen
>ISHYGDDT

>>9293022
The eating thing is pretty normal, I feel crappy if my diet hasn't been so good. A friend of mine goes to extremes of looking after his body to improve the mind drinking fucking vegetable smoothies. I swear there's a point where making sure you keep your mind in a well balanced state becomes an unbalanced thing to do. XD

>>9293034
>asping out over spelling mistakes

>>9293028

>thinks only person on 4chan with a fucking brain
>ISHYGDDT

>>9293032
Oh so THAT'S why curiosity killed the cat.

>ba-dum

>>9293022
oh yeah, and msg, corn syrup and high sodium foods turned out to have a very strong correlation with my bad moods. just the slightest things would set me off when i ate these things to excess. the difference is a little too strong to be psychosomatic, i think.

before you consider suicide, try EVERYTHING ELSE and really think about your life. don't be afraid to pity yourself but try to crawl out of that pity. like, are all the negative things you think really true? do you REALLY know how things are going to be or are you just imagining the worst case scenario? it's easy to get trapped by thinking of the worst that could happen when that is just one of innumerable possibilities. what happens might not even be close.

also, do strenuous exercise. it boosts the endorphins, which makes you feel focused and glad.

strive on, brothers. avoid the bad, move toward the good, help others and do the best you can with what you've got.

waiting for the bus, I would see cars pass by me I keep wondering
if I lean forward and let myself go it can all be over....
I seriosuly need to be on something

>>9293039
Nah I've seen intelligent posts on 4chan before, but definitely not in this thread. Just me shitting on a bunch of know nothing dudes.

>>9293024
>>I am simply trying to remove the negative association.
>>Maybe realize that suicidal people are ill.
>>suicidal people are ill
>>ill

THATS why it has a NEGATIVE connotation, ever think of that?

>>why should I care?
Because you are trying to argue for people who are LIKE ME. Did you miss that in the previous posts perhaps? I deal with "incurable" depression on a day to day basis, i have debilitating panic attacks relating to flash backs from physical, emotional and sexual abuse inflicted by my family. Do I think being depressed fucking sucks? Yeah, I do. But that doesn't stop me from going to school, having tons of amazing friends, and pursuing my life. Do I have bad days where I don't get out of bad? Yeah, I do. But does that stop me from moving forward throughout my life completely? No, it doesn't because at the end of the day its nothing but a fucking excuse. And the moment I realized that, my life became better. Would I say my life is good, even though I deal with this shit on a day to day basis? Yeah, I would. Because I stopped being a whiny bitch and overcame my issues. Now whether you want to call me an idiot or not is up to you. But I'm telling you right now, stop coddling all those little whiny assholes that feel they have a valid reason for killing themselves. Removing the negative connotation from killing yourself is like removing the negative connotation towards raping someone.

>>9293047
The only thing wrong in that was saying that they were arguing for people like you. They're not, it's just a claim, they're just arguing for the sake of arguing. XP

Also, brofist man. Way to go pull your life together, it's tough getting past those initial stages.

>>9293047
Aren't you just a special little snowflake.

To actually respond to the very little that isn't bullshit in your post...

Cancer has a negative association, but we do not berate those with cancer, we embrace them like a compassionate Buddha. We should do the same to those who are suicidal instead of calling them "whiny assholes".

It is ok. I have just dissected you. This is a source of validation for you. You see yourself as a depressed anxious male or female and feel like shit. Yet, you get validation because you say "I suffer from all of this and I still do achieve so much! I am truly of value". Whatever keeps you going, man. I really don't even know why I am arguing with you, because you are clearly in no position to be responding to me and I am only disrespecting myself by engaging you, but I'm bored.

For someone who experiences the same issues as these "whiny assholes", you certainly lack empathy.

>>9293024

After reading all this arguing. I must say, this gentleman >>9292949
>>9292872

did a pretty good job of dissecting your posts without using ad HOMINEM.

also you are using a lot of the same vocabulary in your posts. Making you seem like an uneducated person trying to talk like an educated one. As this gentlemen here stated >>9292960 this is 4chan. And you sir, are a faggot. How's that for ad himinminium

I know three people that committed suicide this year. The weren't friends of mine but I knew of them. One of them killed themselves last weekend.

I myself tried to commit suicide with a bottle of pills around the age of 16. I couldn't swallow nearly enough pills to kill myself and ended up just getting a lot of stomach pain.

A few days later I went to go talk to a doctor and then had regular sessions until I felt "normal." During this time I was also put on antidepressants. I stopped taking those a few months later.

Now I sometimes feel really depressed but never get low enough to have suicidal thoughts. I don't see suicide as an option anymore to solve my problems.

>>9293047

FAGGOT SMARTIE GOT TOLD... He just shit on you.

>>9293057
How? By dismissing my arguments by calling them pessimistic and pitying me, instead of presenting anything that contradicts what I said?

I'm sorry you are so threatened by my intellectual phallus that you felt the need to critique my vocabulary usage.

>>9293056
i couldnt care less if you find validation out of "dissecting" people on a fucking image board.

yeah, of course people arent going to berate people for getting cancer, because most of the time they probably didnt do something to make it happen to them. but suicide is something the INDIVIDUAL controls COMPLETELY. that choice is up to YOU. 100% I may not have empathy towards people who ultimately kill themselves, but I do have empathy for people who struggle with depression because I know how it is, Mr. Intellectual

>>9293064

No it's your blatant narcissism coming out in your posts that has me pity you. You are preaching empathy towards suicidals, then telling someone who has been depressed that you dissected him and his feeling of accomplishment is only an illusion his mind makes up to keep him going.

The obvious hypocrisies are obvious... Since you're so intelligent you should have figured that out...

>>9293066
>but suicide is something the INDIVIDUAL controls COMPLETELY. that choice is up to YOU.
oh? what of the person is undergoing some sort of psychosis were he/she isn't able to think clearly?

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fucking THIS

>>9293066
Once again. Narrow mindedness. As I stated earlier, the universe is causal. We are equally bound to this causal unfolding. Those who are suicidal do not simply wake up one day and say "Hey I want to die." It is a process, an unfolding. All people with depression of any kind suffer from it for a reason.

These reasons were not their choices, they existed independent of them. By your logic, I could say "Stop being depressed! You are an individual, it is 100% your choice to not be depressed!" It doesn't work that way. Biology precedes our mind. And in the case of social reality, social institutions and birth right status (and their subsequent manifestations) are strictly out of our control.

Your depression does not define "depression". There are many gradients of depressions and many different secondary mental illnesses and physiological differences in each individual. Your experiences do not correlate with all of reality.

I am only being an arrogant fuck because I wanted to insinuate confrontation. Its working.

Finding it funny how on one side there's a faggot who doesn't realise that he's wrong and not intelligent, and on the other side a sizeable amount of faggots who don't realise that the other faggot will never realise that they're wrong no matter how much they prove it.

Give it up guys, that idiot won't learn a thing. Y'know... because he's an idiot who thinks he's right and can't comprehend the very idea of even the slightest possibility that all he's done is talk rubbish. The more you reply, the worse it's bullshit gets.

>>9293074
you think suicide is something most people just do because theyre feeling a little psychotic? you're an idiot that obviously knows next to shit about the mental process. when you're having a psychotic attack, you're usually not even coherent enough to hold a gun up. of course, i dont expect someone who "isn't depressed" and someone who has never had a suicidal episode to understand what its like. funny how you want to sound like an expert on the subject though

>>9293040
But seriously, don't you ever wonder what's on the other side?

>>9293088

>insinuate confrontation

i think you mean instigate. There was nothing subtle about it.

>>9293070
Of course. Most of what I am saying I hold to be true. But I also realize the futility of this entire argument. I am on 4chan, even if I were to convince anyone here of my opinion, what difference would it make in the grand scheme of things?

However, essentially all things we do are constructs designed to harvest validation and/or survival mechanisms (but really what is the difference?). I'm not trying to impart empathy, I am trying to part out the fallacious nature of his argument.

>>9293092
aw glad I could make an impression on you. I really must mean a lot to you.

>>9293088
do you know what reading is, motherfucker? I never said depression was the individual's choice. read my post and reply with something thats ACTUALLY related.

Yes. Last year, a guy that was in my high school class 2 years ago jumped off a cliff and died on the spot. I didn't know him that much, but he always seemed cheerful - closest we got was when we both were at the same party, and it was a fun night. He seemed to get along well with people in general, and had good results at school. I have no idea why he did it, but I have to say I didn't hear about him after high school ended. I didn't worry about it too much - it was his choice and his reason. Although it is true that we always want to understand the reason behind things...

That episode brought some weird vibes among the ex-classmates that we were. Brought the subject on the table with a friend, and he came to say that there was a possibility that he'd off himself at age 25 or so, and that if he did so he wouldn't want the people around him to be sad. He seems to have the idea engraved pretty deep in his mind, and I don't really know if I could/should do something about it.

I have never really considered it myself - thought about it briefly, yes, but I'm quite sure I would never do it.

>>9293106
and this is where your ignorance shines.

I never said that you said depression was a choice. but if depression is not a choice, why is suicide?

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>>9293101

this guy is such a faggot

>ad hominiumiminiiminim

>>9293097
no you're right.

>>9293113
do you want to fuck?

>>9293093
>when you're having a psychotic attack, you're usually not even coherent enough to hold a gun up. of course
actually you can, the only reason you dismiss is admitting it would invalidate your assumption that everyone that has killed themselves were a right state of mind.

>>9293110
>>By your logic, I could say "Stop being depressed! You are an individual, it is 100% your choice to not be depressed!"

>>cant read
>>using a thesaurus
>>just go

>nothing but a fucking excuse.
that's a harsh way to look at it, but it's very true.

it's difficult to go about life when you're depressed, but if you do the right things, you _will_ feel better -and then you just move forward and keep building upon the good.

i was abused as a kid as well -not sexually, but everything else. i still get pretty bad anxiety sometimes. it's not easy. i have to psych myself up to deal with people... but i do it, and i feel better for having done it. people even compliment me on my manners. are they being honest? i dunno, but i'll take it.

the only time i really get annoyed is when someone tries to take advantage and just won't let up -and then i just imagine what an ass this person is, how hated he must be in his private life and how miserable he is due to problems of his own making, and i laugh. i laugh at the cunt who tries to make my life worse to make himself feel better. that guy's headed to the bottom and i'm headed up.

i'm always looking for a better opportunity, so when people try to take advantage of me, it's more like i'm actually taking advantage of them. i'm building myself up as i look for the next best shot.

does that mean i'm actually not being taken advantage of? no, but it does mean it doesn't matter. if you don't do anything progressive, you'll never get ahead.

i'm always learning, and i'm always getting better.

it doesn't matter what society is or what society says. you have to take care of yourself and your interests. nothing else matters.

>>9293118
>By your logic, I could say "Stop being depressed! You are an individual, it is 100% your choice to not be depressed!"
Reductio ad Absurdum fails when the conclusion you reach isn't actually absurd.

>>9293118
>By your logic, I could say "Stop being depressed! You are an individual, it is 100% your choice to not be depressed!"

Meaning

>You are saying that suicide is a choice, yet by that logic you would also have to accept that depression was a choice

God damn you are a retard.

>>9293119
its harsh, but sometimes you've got to be a little harsh with yourself in the beginning to wake up and get out. best of luck to you! im glad to finally see someone like you who doesnt use their depression as a handicap. in certain cases, it makes you stronger.

>>9293110
I think most of the time people who say they are depressed do it for attention or to gain sympathy.

>Do you know anyone who committed suicide?
2 people. Both girls, both unsuccessfully, but one got pretty close. Wait, actually 3, if you count acquaintances (guy, by shotgun, successfully).
>Do you ever think about it yourself?
Nope, why?
>I want to hear about it here.
Be my guest.

>>9293116

yes i do want to fuck

>>9293131
I could tell... the way you kept screaming ad hominiumninmumninin at me made me so horny... mmm

lets fuck right here in this thread

*whips out cock*
*jerks it hard*

your turn big boy

>>9293127
>it makes you stronger.
thats going a little to fat, but I agree with the rest of your post.

>>9293146
God damn it. Once again, this is your fucking experience. There are many degrees of depression, and each is unique. This may work for some, but definitely not all.

Why am I still arguing.jpg

>>9293137
my bad man i already came

Yes, I think about splattering my brains over my wall every day. Although maybe that is because I spend too much time on /adv/.

>>9293158
This thread has led me to the same conclusion.

>>9293119
you sound like a deluded neurotic bastard

>>9293146
>"thats going a little to fat, but I agree with the rest of your post"
>thats going a little to fat"
>"fat"
>bacon
>bacon
>bacon
>...what where we talking about?


But seriously I agree with you pretty much. Depression is ALWAYS a handicap because it is always a weakness.

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>>9293177

SURE!

your a faggot. Now go whore yourself out to niggers; they might think your worth something.

>>9293192

>your

I sometimes think that this is the worst board on 4chan. And we have a pony board now.

>>9293192
... What have I done to deserve your anger ?

In highschool a kid that was a few years below me strangled himself with a belt. I had spoken to him maybe twice. It didn't really affect me. A lot of people assumed it was accidental anyway, auto-erotic asphyxiation.

Also, one of my best friends from college told me that he attempted suicide before I met him. That severely impacted my impression of him as a person (in a good way). He is the type of guy that is always super happy and social, I didn't think he had an introspective bone in his body.

I used to think about it occasionally, starting at around 18 but rarely seriously. Usually as a thought exercise. Planning the scenario, note etc.

There were several years between leaving highschool and when I made my first friends at college. During these years I had literally 0 friends and very little human contact. It was dark times for me.

>>9293202
>I sometimes think that this is the worst board on 4chan.
Why do you think it's my favourite?

>>9293225
How old were you when you finally made friends?

>>9293233
get the fuck out british scum

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20/21

>>9293235
<mfw when not actually British.

No courage for it, so I rarely think about it anymore. In really bad times, I've had some weird idea in my mind that I would live in the paranoid mindset for eternity and never die. I should have killed myself many times over now. I have a lot of respect for those who have done it. It's the ultimate rejection of human authority, no one will ever be able to fuck with you again. I get irritated by idiots who say that suicide is cowardly. Willingly taking a goddamn shotgun blast to the face takes balls.

>Do you know anyone who committed suicide?
Not personally.

>Do you ever think about it yourself?
It has happened.
Back in my highschool days when i was particularly depressed
i was thinking about jumping off bridges and things like that.

Never did it though.

I guess i still have reasons to feel sad sometimes, but i'm past that stage now.
Maybe it's a matter of ageing, and losing someone you love.
Shit makes you start thinking.

>was going to post meaningful story about hanging self at age 11 and surviving.
>read rest of butthurt thread.
>nothing to do here.

>>9293315
>makes a post eluding to the suicide attempt while mocking others
>not an attention seeking faggot
pick one

i have an idea

anyone who wants to die, are you in for a ritualistic suicide?

>>9293357
im interested, what did you have in mind

>Know anyone?
Yes, attractive girl I had a thing with. She was engaged to be married to another guy.

>Think about it?
I think about her and how I hadn't spoken to her in a year before it happened but I had a missed call from her the day before it happened.

>>9293363
in the name of Satan

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>>9293363
You might as well say that dungeons and dragons or world of warcraft or something like that is the reason for your satanic conversion and ritual. Maybe even something that would troll the tweens.