It's a bunch of bullshit. Don't go, Jesus fuck.

Pros:
Legitimate reason to protest
Cons: Everyone who does protest are radical imbeciles. Marxists/faggots/racists/nigger lovers/feminists/welfare queens etc. Essentially the left wing tea-party.

I don't even know what these people are protesting about, or what they want, in fact.

You ever been pepper-sprayed OP? I have, and it burns so bad. Do you want to have ropes of mucus handing down your inflamed nostrils as some cop points the nozzle in your direction?

Nod you head and say no.

This protest will be over soon. Then they'll be some other protest and then another. Etc.

>My parents and friends want me to attend Occupy Wall Street

>>8054908
http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

Good cause my ass

>>8054966

>Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

So lazy assholes can sit around and rake in money and do jack shit? Right, yeah.

>>8054928
They want to remove corporate influence from government. It was pretty obvious.

>>8054966
It's always the same. Whenever I read a protest manifesto or something, I end up saying "no, that's stupid" after 5 minutes of reading, and yet they always find thousands of people to fill the streets.

>>8055049
If that's the case, they're doing it all wrong.

>total debt forgiveness
>open immigration
>$20 minimum wage

List goes on.

This wouldn't free us from corporate control, it would destroy the economy.

>>8055049
>They want to remove corporate influence from government

>Plan to do this is walking in the streets and get owned by police

Stay classy middle class mostly white chanology failures.

>>8055028
>>8054966
>>8055149
It says right at the top that is a list proposed by one forum user. These are not the demands of the movement as a whole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50rpJ7EQWuI&t=5m14s

^this homeless black dude speaks the truth on this bullshit protest

>>8055165
>It says right at the top that is a list proposed by one forum user
>Fringe movement to begin with
>Fringe of the fringe makes stupid as fuck suggestion about a stupid as fuck executed protest with ultra vague demands with no realistic means of how to put them into effect

If anything these list of demands ought to be a measuring bar to prove how fucking stupid the whole thing is.

>decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants

What in the fucks fuck am I fucking reading.
Like that is going to help a single fucking thing.

>erase all debt worldwide

Because wall street controls world finance.

It is hard to find jobs at a livable wage. Unemployment is ridiculous and even those who can work often can't afford much.

That said, a lot of what I've heard from these protestors is their own fault. Taking out mortgages they couldn't afford, having kids they couldn't afford, taking out college loans they couldn't afford. If some of them would have swallowed their pride and just worked non-leisure jobs (trades, engineering, construction, landscaping, etc) this wouldn't be as big of an issue. I don't really think learning things and having kids should entitle you to money.

Having said that - more wealth redistribution in this country is necessary. No manufacturing/solid middle class jobs and no money/incentives to start small businesses = no middle class. But we can't all be employed writers, liberal arts teachers, and artists, like many in the Occupy Wall Street contingency seem to think...

Don't forget to bring one of these

Decommission nuclear power plants? That shit is greener than oil.

>>8055227
I'm fucking aware of that. You faggots need to hurry up and go LFTR before china gets a monopoly on their production. Imagine the chinks having shitloads of dirt cheap power by 2020. China will be the New World. Shit, I need to start learning Chinese.

that comes from uneducated people who have a distorted sense of the environmental danger of our nuclear power plants.

they are worried we are gonna have a fukushima in the U.S.A.

all of our facilities and reactors and designed defferently and safer than the plant at fukushima and nuclear energy is a great fucking source of energy

>have no job, no money, no college
>consider blaming The Man
>decide to instead get off my ass and apply
>applying takes months, is hard work
>realize I need skills
>learn all about web coding from the internet for free
>now i still have no college
>I make 80k/year working 40 hours a week
>fuck you, protestors

Don't go if you don't want to. Honestly, this is small time compared to what's coming.

>>8054908
>>8054908
>>8054908
>>8054908
>>8054908
>>8054908
>>8054908

http://tarpley.net/2011/09/29/emergency-program-for-anti-wall-street-protestors/

Unemployment near 10%, no universal health care, no free college, minimum wage below poverty levels, shitty secondary education, likely no social security, baby boomers who won't retire, wage stagnation for 20+ years while housing and living costs continue to rise, no campaign finance reform, no tariffs for off-shoring, career politicians who undercut the country's interests for the sake of making each other look bad.

Our generation has a right to be pissed at this shit-tier "first world" country.

I'm so sick of this same thread everyday. This is the new bitches-and-whores of /adv/.

End the federal reserve system and a lot of problems will be solved.

>>8054966
>free college education

That comes from
http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/


>>8054908
Don't be fooled by the media portrayal of it. If you haven't realized the mainstream media works for the establishment to slander things that are anti establishment then there is no hope for you.

>>8055408
>edgy lolbertarian detected

Sure, ending the Fed will solve everything...if you're into Whine Rand and entrenched oligarchy.

RONPUAL2036! IT'S NEVAR TOO LATE!!

>>8055406

If you stay on /adv/ every day long enough to see an entire popular thread rise and fall, then you have way too much time on your hands, neckbeard.

>>8055151
It's about exposure. You are not politically savvy.

>>8055412
>free college education
Who pays for the teachers?
Who pays for up keeping of the school facility?
Say all school is free for everyone, people still chose to study things that won't make a career. Explain how this isn't a massive waste of resources. What if people fail horribly? How would you go about removing them if everyone can get this schooling?

>>8055399
>Our generation has a right to be pissed at this shit-tier "first world" country.
No, because all this generation could do is protest.
And their demands isn't backed up by neither knowledge, nor power. Casual revolutionaries, damn them.

>>8055448
>You are not politically savvy.
You or this moved is?

Explain how no goal is politically savvy? Exposure? Alright we'll fake nod to that. But given that none of this is new news and there still is no cohesive goal to actually go about changing a fucking thing, I don't understand how any person with a brain that isn't tainted by ultra left leaning faggotry could fall for this horse shit.

At most, this will be our generations hippy movement. And look where that ended up. Oh fuck, I'm pretty sure most of those dudes own wall street.

>>8055456
If they do it throughout most of Europe I don't see why we can't here. We need to track more kids toward the trades, engineering, and IT instead of liberal arts, but liberal arts should also be free if the students show an aptitude for it. Also, American colleges resemble giant daycare centers with tons of money wasted on facilities, entertainment, food, athletics, etc. If you trimmed off a lot of the bullshit that's only there to entice parents/students and make schools money, it would be easier for the state to subsidize secondary education. Also degree programs should obviously be streamlined and shorter.

>>8055496
So...what do you propose instead? Nobody in Generation Y has any power at all to use.

>>8055456
Well, since you don't seem to understand what they mean I will tell you.

They want student loan amnesty. You know those kids fresh out of college with 100k-200k debt that will crush down on them for the next ten years? Yeah, those are the ones.

If you want the youth of today to not be so burdened by the weight of these loans that starting a family will be out of reach for most then you need to get rid of these loans.

The fucking kids at these protests are fucking retarded, and every single policy they propose would make the problem they hate so much (Government and Business in bed with each other) much much worse.

Pic related, it's a retard who make stupid decisions in life and wants YOU to pay for it.

>>8055440

>Thinks Government is the one that stops oligarchy and not the one who creates it
>Willfully ignores the role the FED played in the housing boom, in the unsustainable expansion of Government spending and debt we have now and in the cartelization of the banking sector

>>8055456
Promote vocational schools. We see public universities being touted as the shining beacons of hope for the future of higher education, but the fact is that we need more people learning how to do blue collar jobs. Practically paying students to learn a specific trade is the best thing that could happen to higher education. Sure, we can have lots of students still going to study what they'd like to, but they're not going to be paid for that. They might have their studies covered by grants. If you're going to get your Master's and PhD so you can go into academia, that's fine, you could get paid for that because you've made a specific career goal.

Granted, this will take a lot of taxpayer money to do. Which is why we need to cut a lot of corporate tax breaks out and make it a fairly tiered system based on income. Those with jobs in the lower and middle classes will likely see higher taxes being pulled from them regardless of what happens in the future.

>>8055572

>BAAAW i didn't study something that is actually productive to society and i got knocked up at a young age!
>PAY MY BILLS!

>>8055581
There aren't a heck of a lot of blue collar jobs around either. There is hardly any manufacturing sector at all, for instance. Construction and civil engineering jobs plummet when no one can afford houses and government isn't funding public projects. I agree that more kids should be tracked toward the trades instead of generalized degrees, especially when they have to go into debt to get those degrees. But business also needs to be persuaded to stay inside the US to offer those kids jobs.

>>8055559
>get self in massive debt
>it's not fair that I got myself in debt

Are you fucking stupid?

>>8055527
Learn, think, adapt, and fucking act.

>>8055572

>thinks less regulation and total privatization will not, in fact, lead to more concentration of wealth and a widening gulf between the classes.

Or maybe you do. I'm pretty sure that's what you uppermiddle class kids are pining for. You want schools and medical care and, in some cases, the police even, to be solely reserved for those who can pay. You ultimately believe that property rights > human rights. That's the end goal of smaller government and total privatization.

You're part of the problem. Every country has a centralized banking system. Cry harder.

>>8055589
I give you the study something productive.

But getting pregnant at 21 isn't that fucking young and your American health insurance is a fucking joke.

>>8055657

They just want her and her child to be condemned to a life of wage slavery so they can have their cheap goods. It's not their problem, so why should they give a shit? Mommy and daddy made sure they're set. Is that so wrong, really? RONPUAL2012! AMERICA, FUCK YEAR1!!1

Just throwing an idea out here...

What if we made volunteer work a requirement for welfare and unemployment? Kind of like this:
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/10/05/335612/poor-maine-residents-resort-to-bartering-for-healt
h-care-with-yardwork-housekeeping/

But instead of health care they'd get welfare checks? They could work in community centers, do yard work, do SOMETHING productive to earn what they get and get some job skills while they're at it. People on disability would be a different case, of course.

>>8055619
This is true. However, the blue collar jobs I'm talking about are like.. electricians, plumbers, welders, nurses.. anything that's basically a necessary service you're able to provide to other people. Manufacturing is going out the door to other countries, of course.

I was going to add that it'd be nice if we could give companies an incentive to provide in-house training and education for young people so they're able to do jobs for those companies. But then I thought about it and I realized there's no way any large company would do that because they want cheap labor.

>>8055642
Then what? Protest? Way ahead of you.

>IM POOR CAUSE I BOUGHT INTO THE IDIOTIC SCRIPT WE'VE BEEN FEEDING PEOPLE SINCE AFTER WW2 AND NOW THAT THAT SCRIPT'S STORY IS COMING TO A CLOSE AND WE CAN'T KEEP LIVING LIKE MORONIC CATTLE WHO CONSUME EVERYTHING IN OUR WAKE I WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO HELP ME

HURRR DURR THE GOVERNMENT MADE THIS PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU FUCKING MORONS

START DISMANTLING THE GOVERNMENT, WALL STREET IS NOT THE PROBLEM YOU FUCKING SHEEPISH BUFFOONS

>>8055731
IT'S TEH GOVARMENTS! I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DO EXACTLY, BUT IT FEELS RIGHT TO BLAME THEM FOR ERRYTHING!!

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

RON PAUL/ALEX JONES FOR 2012!!1111111111

>>8055527
>So...what do you propose instead? Nobody in Generation Y has any power at all to use
>All they can do is protest with out any clear cut thoughts on how to solve the purported problems they are protesting while also helping society at large.

Lets bitch about a problem, but have no method on how to solve this problem then proceed to bitch more. The youth movement solution.

Or we could
>flex our rights to vote
>search out people that swear an oath to our society not to give into corporate interests, have every intent to help our society, will be middle ground thinkers that will do what is necessary that will help EVERYONE
>ignore political party douche bags and put these middle ground people in power
>make sure they pass limits on how often anyone can serve in any office
>remove the ability to be able to walk away from that job with money for the rest of your life. You get a severance package to last you a SHORT time then find another job
>keep an active interest in politics as a society and always keep an eye on our politicians
>push for political transparency

>>8055731
The style of execution of this post is horrible, but you're right.

We need a revolution. That's all there is to it. We need to wipe the government and start over with a blank slate. Have a true democracy instead of a representational one that allows few in power and the majority go unheard.

>>8054966

> Demand 1
> raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

>>8055655

Depends on what you mean by "Regulation". The Governmentally-enforced "Regulations" you love so much aren't here to protect you, they are here to be barriers for entry for new competitors and are here to help the Corporations that lobby for them.

Strong protection against fraud and of property rights ( Remembering that your body is your property) are things that protect citizens, and Private Certification Agencies like the Underwriters Laboratories have a much better track record that any Governmental Regulatory Agency.

The removal of the barriers for entry in the market and end of failed State monopolies would lead to less concentration of wealth. You aren't going to end Corporate-Welfare with more Government that's for sure.

"Human Rights" ARE Property Rights. Your rights to life, liberty and estate all come from the right of property over your body, the fundamental property right. But if you think you have a right to forcefully obtain other people's services and other people's property, you are wrong.

>You want schools and medical care and, in some cases, the police even, to be solely reserved for those who can pay.

Nope. I simply education and medical care to be organized in the way that has the smallest cost over the population.

On this matter, i suggest you read the article "How Government solved the first Healthcare crisis" by Roderick T. Long. I like the idea of Public Services, i don't like the idea of State Monopolies over them.

>>8055751
Agreed. If people don't do what I like, we need a revolution. Becos.

Now excuse me while I go back to masturbating in my airconditioned room.

>>8055759
Hyperinflation/economic social unrest ensues?

>>8055779

As nice as working $20/hr while earning a living wage income sounds, yep,

> spaghetti erryware

Unless you want to get arreted for nothing I sugggest NOT going.

>>8055751
>We need a revolution. That's all there is to it. We need to wipe the government and start over with a blank slate. Have a true democracy instead of a representational one that allows few in power and the majority go unheard.

Yeah that's a great idea! Let's have massive scale unrest that will undoubtedly cause millions of deaths, massive destruction of the Infrastructure, and general anarchy.

You shouldn't play hooky kiddo

>>8055745
>flex our rights to vote
>search out people that swear an oath to our society not to give into corporate interests, have every intent to help our society, will be middle ground thinkers that will do what is necessary that will help EVERYONE
>ignore political party douche bags and put these middle ground people in power

But that's the thing. Someone can swear an oath and promise fucking rainbows and kittens for everyone. And then they can turn around and say "Sorry, it wasn't possible, but I tried!" That's what's happening. Politicians are almost ALWAYS excellent liars. They have teams of people writing shit for them to say so people will vote for them. You simply cannot trust any politician.

>make sure they pass limits on how often anyone can serve in any office
>remove the ability to be able to walk away from that job with money for the rest of your life. You get a severance package to last you a SHORT time then find another job

I agree with this. However, leave it to company policy, don't make it a government regulation.

>keep an active interest in politics as a society and always keep an eye on our politicians
>push for political transparency

Agree with these two completely.


>>8055767
Tell me how more than half of the decisions made by our representational democracy has benefited the majority of Americans in the last thirty some years and I will concede that you are correct in your sarcastic response.


>>8055822
Do you really think it's not going to come to that anyway? Don't be naive. There's a huge storm brewing and it'll blow in very quickly, especially after a Tea Partier is elected into office next November.

>>8054908
Pretty much this.

The issue here is that the United States and its citizenry could have much much more than it has now. There are so many advances the US could accomplish in every aspect of human life that few other countries could even hope to have...

Every person in the United States -could- have the best health care.
Every child -could- have the best education.
Every state -could- have the best infrastructure.
The people of the United States -could- have virtually anything they wanted.


The issue, and it's one that will NOT be decided easily, is that the people of the United States do not care about each other's well being. The country is so diverse, there is no sense of unity. There is a culture of paranoia and fear that is preventing progress toward anything but perpetuation of economic disparity.

>>8055822

I know I'd survive. There's too many maggot apartment complexes just walking around out there taking up valuable space, oxygen and resources.

And even if I died, I'd have died fighting in the glory of battle. Bathed in the blood of combatants and my own sweat and vomit, gasping to draw breath in through the puncture wound in my lungs.

So much better than laying around for 20 years and forgetting everything I love.

I want to see a film that envisions the future of what happens when those list of demands are met. I really do.

Occupy WallStreet is great, in theory. Truth is, though, it lacks a good cause. With no true leader it lacks direction, and it lacks organization. At the rate it's going it may fizzle out, if no one takes an initiative on the movement.

>>8055871
You secretly just want to be some hero so your life wasn't completely useless.

You know you'd rather die than survive, so you have your 15 minutes of fame. You don't REALLY care about the cause, just your own little complex.

>>8055869
>>8055869
The conservatives of the US do not want to provide any help to their countrymen; they would rather let them fail. Somewhere along the line, conservatives convinced themselves that everything would be okay if they did not help out the rest of the country. Everything would be okay if the government stopped working. Everything would be okay if we let greed run our economy.

Right now, the richest people who have ever existed on this planet, the so-called top 1%, are living the most lavish lifestyles imaginable. They have enough wealth to last 100 lifetimes. There's nothing inherently wrong with being wealthy, but the wealth they have is the product of the country as a whole. They did not create it themselves, whether they want to admit it themselves. Without the government, and without the people, they would have nothing.

So liberals want them to pay more. Liberals want them to give back the country that made them the wealthiest humans to ever live, so that the bottom 99% can have a better chance. If they lost a full HALF of all their wealth, they would have more than they would ever need. If they lost three-quarters of their wealth, their families would still be safe and secure. They could stand to pay much more than they are paying now.

All those things that the US -could- have would be possible, but conservatives have decided it would be better than their countrymen be allowed to fail.

>re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

>Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

>Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

>Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Jesus fucking Christ whoever wrote that list shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Anyone who has ever been to an Economics 101 class can see what's wrong with all of this shit.

Despite all disagreements between all the different economic schools of thought, if there is one thing that Keynesians, Chicagoans, Austrians and hell even Marxists can agree on is that this list is fucking retarded

>>8055852
>Do you really think it's not going to come to that anyway? Don't be naive. There's a huge storm brewing and it'll blow in very quickly, especially after a Tea Partier is elected into office next November

You really seriously think this? Really? Really? REALLLY?

Huge storm brewing? Given that thought it be hard to go anywhere in the U.S. and not feel this sense would it not? I don't feel it at all. I didn't know a thousand kids walking around New York were going to take down the U.S. government. Oh wait, they are no where near close enough to do this.

>But that's the thing. Someone can swear an oath and promise fucking rainbows and kittens for everyone. And then they can turn around and say "Sorry, it wasn't possible, but I tried!" That's what's happening. Politicians are almost ALWAYS excellent liars. They have teams of people writing shit for them to say so people will vote for them. You simply cannot trust any politician.

I can agree with this to degrees. That's where that whole voting people out of office dealyo might come in handy. Added with removing the ability to live at the salary they earned while in office for the rest of their lives/max amount of terms might help since it would destroy career politicians.

>>8055751
>Have a true democracy instead of a representational one

True democracies are terrible. They allow the majority to butt rape the minority. That's the whole reason we have a constitutional republic. To protect the minority. Or at least, that's how our republic was supposed to be before just about every politician started pissing all over the constitution.

>>8055920
I didn't say it was the occupy movement that would do this. The current movement, as one person has already said, lacks leadership. It honestly won't go very far.

But, mark my words, there will be a larger movement from an uprising of millions of people who are suffering, who lost their homes and jobs, who can't afford to feed themselves or their children. These people will be willing to stand up and fight if they're given a proper leader who will speak for them.

>>8055931
They both have their downsides, I'll agree with you. But having one politician speak for millions of people is just asking for an abuse of power or general disregard for the good of the people.

>>8054966
Late to the thread I know, but holy fuck this can't be real. I thought this was just a bunch of angry poor people or some shit but the people are really fucking radical. Some of those demands are outright absurd.

>>8055895

Death in battle is the true death of man.

War gives our short pointless lives meaning that procreation, defecation, and understanding of the natural world never can.

It's pretty obvious these bankers fucked everyone in the US except the elite so they could massive amount of personal wealth and government(they're part of the elite group) couldn't even care less, because it's part of the status quo. You guys are silly standing all the day carrying pickets hoping someone important *might* say something nice. SO why isn't anyone lynching these con artists and reclaiming their money? Oh that's right, the government (that happens to be clearly fine with those jew bankers taking your money) neutered each and every one of you at birth. Keep believing your "2 party democracy" is a republic that is representing the general population.

>>8056108
> lots of typos and typed too fast
It's pretty obvious these bankers fucked everyone in the US except the elite so they could gain a massive amount of personal wealth and power, and the government(they're part of the elite group) could care less, because it's part of the status quo. You guys are silly standing all the day carrying pickets hoping someone important *might* say something nice.

So why isn't anyone lynching these con artists and reclaiming their money? Oh that's right, the government (that happens to be clearly fine with those jew bankers scamming you out of money) neutered each and every one of you at birth. Keep believing your "2 party democracy" is a republic that is representing the general population and your vote can make a difference!

>Hint: both parties are under those bankers' payrolls.

>>8056108