Slight bump.

you lost me at philosophy

>>7287246
Explain.

Yeah...Your mother only raised you from birth...no reason to get a job and help the family out or anything.

too high expectations.jpg

University, sure. Get some money first, and help your poor mother, damn. Be a part of the workforce, for your sake, this country' sake and you mom's.

>>7287259
everything seems okay to me youre doing great in school and your mother is covering your finances and that's fine
but youre studying the wrong major
if the only thing you could do with what youre studying is teach it it is the wrong major

>>7287311
Well obviously academia involves more than just teaching. But why would you say that getting a major just to teach is in any way wrong?

>>7287136
>actuary
are you good in the maths?

I'm a bit biased as I'm in the same situation you're in (asides from the major).
You're concentrating on your future which will return you with rewards to make up for the money you're spending now.
If you're not getting a job, even on campus for a few hours a week, doing extracurricular/internships would be a good alternative.

>>7287309

This except for the nationalistfag shit. Fuck that, fuck society. Feed your family, feed yourself.

And if you don't consider working while studying a good insight into life for alot of people, or being in the workforce an interesting philisophical perspective, I don't know what those professors are talking about.

>>7287136
>expecting good money on philosophy
>expecting money on actuary science

1.) are you extremely brilliant brimming to the anus of supreme intellect?
2.) are you skilled in math?

Philisophy Majors include Bill Clinton, Matt Groening and Martin Sheen.

So a big fat

>implying that the degree makes the man work for his career instead of the man makes his degree work towards his career

To you gaiz.

>>7287136
I study law, never got a job, and my parents pay for everything. I'm the second best in my class, so I'm succesful as well. My parents are rich, though, and the best universities only costs the equivalent of 400 - 600 $ / year in my country. I plan to pay for my children's studies as well. I don't blame those who don't, but I want to be succesful in live partially to have enough money so that my kids won't have anything to worry about during their time in university or school. I don't think it's a bad thing to take advantage of the money to do your best. But I'm from a rich family, so I don't think if I would have the same opinion if we were poor.

>>7287337
I plan to get good at math (sorry, American). I'm a bit behind because I dicked around in high school quite a bit. Obviously I can't say I'm wonderful at the subject until I get further on.

>>7287349
I plan to get as involved as possible. First year was a bit of a blow-off year for me; but now that I'm taking upper-division classes, my hours invested into my education (both in and outside the classroom) should increase dramatically.

>>7287413
>$600/year
nigga is that state?

>>7287425
>I plan to get good at math
not to discourage you but it will be very hard if you aren't good at it now. Shit has to be innate in you in order to make good money

>>7287364
1. Intelligence isn't what I'm worried about. The politics of academia are more disconcerting that anything.
2. As I said in another post, I cannot say for sure yet. I've taken, and anally raped, a few math courses; but I have yet to really get into the thick of mathematics.

>>7287428
France. Private school aren't allowed to teach law, only public universities can. That's why the best law schools are public universities, and they're cheap. But in almost every other field, public universities suck and private schools are what's best.

>>7287437
I've only taken classes up to trig. So far, it's all come naturally to me. I just don't want to sit here and say that I'm a genius at math when I haven't even opened a calculus textbook.

>>7287136
I do think you should get a job, part time or whatever you can fit in.

>hating so-called blue-collared jobs
This is a stupid sentiment and you should feel stupid. You need money, right? Your mom needs money, right? If you can find a job that fits in your schedule, you should take that job.

Also, hating blue collar jobs really doesn't make sense. Those kinds of jobs drive the economy, and some of those jobs can never be outsourced.

>>7287503
Yeah I agree with that. If you need the money and you have the time, take a job. I can understand that some don't. When I started uni, our teachers warned us about not taking a job, cause it's extremely difficult to manage both because we're overworked. But if your parents think you should participate in your studies' cost, then you definitely should.

A couple of things stick out to me with this. You haven't said you have tried to hold a job to see how it would effect your education. You also cited people with full jobs, but have you considered a part time one? Also, you cite other people's experiences. I know a sales manager who is 23, who maintains a 4.0 GPA and holds a full time job that usually go over 40 hours. She does this so you can she pay for her own schooling and none of the burden falls on her parents. She doesn't spend hardly any money on herself or luxuries. I'm not saying she is the example, but it proves it's possible. Personally I think she should find a less stressful job so she actually gets some sleep at night and have some resemblance of a life. But you are choosing other people's experiences to fit your reasoning. These aren't your own experiences, which means you aren't even willing to try to see if that would hold true for you. If you are truly trying to get a job in a niche field and want to stand out, life experience would really help out in this job market.

I can understand some people's criticism because like you are missing out on the opportunity to gain the valuable life experience you need to become an adult. Life experience that would also allow you to understand the criticism better and use it constructively. I think you could put a little more emphasis on your family who is doing so much for you and get a part time job to ease the pressure. But if you are only seeing and doing things from your own priorities, then you can't blame others for thinking you're a bit selfish and immature for doing so.

>I realize that a lot of people work while they go to school, but I hate working. So I'm not going to. Because I don't like it.

Really? Wow.

ITT: Guy majoring in philosophy takes a condescending tone regarding others' majors.

I love these kids that think they are so smart that major in philosophy.

Spoiler alert. If you were smart, you wouldnt be majoring in philosophy.

You can educate yourself on philosophy for free. The writings of the same fucking people havent changed since they wrote them. go to a library faggot and major in something that will give you a job.

Get a job and help out. First, you're going to need job experience once you apply to be a waiter once you finish school with your worthless degrees.

Second, you need to learn how to work. You can't just expect to get a shiny new paper and you'll be all right. If you don't know how to work, you won't do well with any job.

>>7287839
Yeah, but if he does that, nobody will tell him what to think of the writings in question.

>>7287792
What I mean to say is that business-related degrees are in no way comparable to a phi degree that's worth a damn plus an actuary science degree heavy in math. Saying "I know a guy who majored in communications and held a job at the same time" isn't the same as my situation.

>>7287757
First of all, your friend is twice the person I am. Secondly, I've tried working. I worked retail for several months and target during my gap year. I hated it. I realize I might be spoiled, but I was in a terrible mood every time I had to go. I'm afraid that my education might suffer as a result of working that type of job again.

1- You're studying. That's pretty much all you need to be thinking about right now. Just look for jobs during the summer. It's not like employers are desperate to hire anyway.

2- As long as you're not spending money excessively, who cares? All you need to do is make sure all the bills are paid.

3- Do some networking to help you find a job later on and look into non-academic careers for philosophy majors.

Besides the 'college experience', you go to school to get a job. Period.

>>7287839

> Implying that all literature in all fields isn't equally availible and that it's not the discourses you encounter outside of what you think your focus and interest is that make a degree worthwhile

>>7287839
First of all, terrible syntax. Secondly, I want to make a career out of philosophy. This requires a formal education. Thirdly, I'll forgive you since you're clearly not up-to-date on current writings (Hell, neither am I), but it's not the case that the "same thing is being done over and over."

>>7287892
Yeah, the other guy has a future. And his family doesn't hate him.

>>7287935
>I want to make a career out of philosophy
HERP

I thought you were already poor?

Wait, let me guess, you are 18 or so and have never done any real work in your life, right? Did you know taking a job will help you understand the human experience better?

>>7287990
As I've said before, I've held a job once in my life. The only thing it taught me was that settling for that sort of thing only creates misery.

>>7287990

Again this. I support your degree choice, OP, but you really need to understand suffering. My gf works while her doing her degree, generally 30 hour weeks. And she'd go home to look after the kids sometimes. I've put a meal infront of her and seen she was too tired to physically eat it, I've put it in the fridge before she just falls into it and we've just gone to bed. It sucks to see her so drained but I know we wouldn't have what we have if she didn't have that just incredibly selfless element to her - she's aware how much she can endure, she appreciates any assistance, and it's made her a person I can really respect and be honest with.

You'll only see the value of these experiences in retrospect or from the outside, but they do have value. I recommend being a waiter for a summer, work yourself to the bone for nothing, and talk to people who don't mind the work. It's mindbending.

There are other types of jobs/fields that you could try than just Target. So far you're proving your family right. If you think the idea of working those jobs is difficult now, wait until you're done with your major and have trouble landing a job in your field. I'm not trying to be hurtful, but that is a huge possibility here given the job market and your choice of major. Try to think of a job as an investment in yourself and building experience/character, not something you feel forced to do or it won't get any easier...

>>7288068
Honestly, you sound like a spoiled twelve year old. You had a part time job that wasn't fun? Poor you. Working if a necessity of life, because living costs money. But you, in your infinite wisdom, are choosing to ignore that fact, and dump the burden on your family instead.

I can see why they hate you. You're a lazy, mooching faggot who justifies his behavior by saying, "But it's not fun!"

No, it's not. It's called work for a reason. As in if you want your useless fucking degree so badly? You shouldn't be afraid to WORK for it.

You sound spoiled as shit, bro.

You won't ever understand that though, it's probably been like that for a looong time.

Philosophy... 3rd year law school student here, also living with mother. We have our own house and stuff but well, almost no income. I looked for some part-time jobs at local fast-food places etc., everywhere rejected saying I wouldn't fit in to these kinds of jobs. I'd gladly fucking fry some potatoes for 4-5 hours a day for a little extra income because I'm worried I won't be able to pay for my books next semester.

I even considered dropping out, being a court judge has been my childhood dream. My mother made me swear I'll graduate no matter what kind of hard times we'll go through.

Ah, only thing different from you here OP is, I'm going to one of the most prestigious law schools of my country because I aced at university entrance exam and I entered school with full scholarships and shit. But those only cover for my payments and shit.

Enjoy your philosophy my friend. Even though it doesn't really worth spending all your time in. You'll realize why in 5 years or 10.

>>7288261 here.

tl:dr; >>7288226 I ment everything he ment.

I work in a career office and I can tell you with certainty you will not acquire a job without some form of experience or having a few connections after university. The unemployment rate for students who graduate university is approximately 70%. To make matters worse, most students acquire jobs that are completely irrelevant to what they are studying.

tldr; You are fucking yourself over by not having a job.

You hated your job, OP? Then you'd better find a different major, because with Philosophy you'll be working shitty jobs for the rest of your life.
I'd love to study Anthropology, it's what interests me the most. However, I know that I very likely won't find a job in that field, so I'm studying something that's called Revalidation Sciences in my country (don't know the correct English term, sorry). It's not what I dream of, but since that degree is in demand, I'm practically guaranteed to land a job soon after I graduate and I'll at least be able to pay the bills. I'm living with my mum as well and we have financial difficulties, too. But I try to think of being able to make her life more comfortable later on, because even if I could live off junkfood and basically with the bare minimum, I know she deserves better than that.

You sound like a total faggot that will never make it anywhere in the real world dude to his inability to work.

Almost anyone semi-intelligent can get a 4.0 GPA given they invest their time. It is nothing difficult, especially freshman year.

>some easy business-related shit
few sentences later into your shit post
>I hope to settle for becoming an actuary
For fucks sake.

And don't tell me Philosophy is a hard major.
Accounting master race here.

>>7288372

Are you me?

I've won several oilpainting prizes at some national competitions at highschool and I always wanted to be a professional artist so when I had to choose a university to attend to, I wanted to go on with art education. Then I realized, holy crap most of the artists just starve if they don't sell out and well, I am pretty sure I wouldn't be able to sell out so I chose Political Studies which will surely land me at a job in government that pays every month with a really nice salary.

>>7288449

You actually think the government hires poli-sci majors?

That major is almost as bad as history. If anything you're settling for a desk job secretary and that is if you're lucky.

>>7288480

At my country, if you have graduated from some certain universities, mine is one of them, you'll be able to enter some exam. If you pass it, which is pretty easy if you give like 2 months of studying into it, you'll become a monthly paid govermental worker. All you have to do is sit behind a desk from 9 to 5 and just do whatever you have to do which is nothing most of the time.

I thought it'd give enough time to me spend time on my hobbies, which is obviously painting.

Hey OP, get your head out of the clouds. Actuarial science is intensive and competitive. It's not something you can just stroll into and half ass even if you are very bright. If you are gonna focus on being an actuary, than put everything you got into it. Period.
I may be wrong, but it also seems like you harbour some kind of resentment to 'business-related' shit. Well let me tell you, to advance your career as an actuary, you actually need some of the soft skills that any respectful business curriculum would try to facilitate if not teach directly through things such as presentations and seminars. Did I forget to mention you WILL be coming across these 'business-shit' accountants, analysts, specialists etc.?
tl;dr: becoming an actuary isn't a fucking cakewalk even if you are bright. Don't hate business skills and people cause you'll need them.

>>7288593

To be more precise: Hate them and do it anyway. No one should respect Capitalism. Just do enough Capitalism to keep your mom from worrying about the Repo Man, OP.

Listen to most of what people are saying. They speak truth.

>>7288674

No one should respect capitalism?

Get off your computer, stay away from all forms of automobiles, throw away your cell phone, and retreat to the forest so you can grub away for bare subsistence because you determined trade as evil.

This fucking generation, I swear to god. It's funny how you young adults cannot advance past the beat generation. Why don't you go strike up a conversation about Marxism with your ma and pa or grandparents you fucking tool.

>>7288593
I've seen the course requirements for the actuary science degree. Although it includes business classes, that isn't the core. "Accounting master race" majors don't take the kind of math actuaries will take. The only reason I down-talked business-related majors is because it's the go-to area for mediocre college students. Mediocre college students don't need to sit here and lecture me through personal experience--we're not in the same boat.

I realize that this degree will be substantially harder than philosophy (something that really just comes naturally to me). Math in general will be my main focus.

>>7288727

And what's up with your generation and throwing babies out with the bathwater? Honest to fuck, are you really just tied to a 2 pole universe?

Capitalism gives us nothing but a means for production. Same for Marxism. Humans create, Government controls. What do you want me to respect? Human acheivement and those who govern are entirely sepeate. No state is responsible for any good, ever. There's no great who was directly assisted by his state and indeed a great many hindered by theirs.

"Reality is the police become necessary in human society only at that junction
In human society where it is split between those who have and those who ain't got. "

And back to OP's problem, you jerk.

>>7288758
What country are you from OP? Do you guys have finance and accounting undergrad programs? They are less fluff than things like marketing and require you to be committed. Even if you don't respect them, these fields make a very generous amount here (Canada) and have the potential to rapidly rise in compensation and prestige. There's a hell of alot of competition to get into the decent business schools too so I don't understand how you can just generalize and say all the dregs end up in business.

>>7288805
Nah, op just a hater, it's fucking ironic he wants to go into the insurance business

>>7288829

You're on to something.

>Philosophy
>ironic
OP smells like a dirty, dirty hipster. Being ironic fits, no? Case closed.

>>7288805
I'm from America. My uni offers two separate finance degrees and one in accounting. Looking over the course requirements for either degree shows that, apparently, they aren't heavy in math. You can stop after your first semester of calculus. I don't know if the accounting-specific UD classes teach you specialized math, but just from looking at the course titles, that doesn't seem likely. An actuary degree, on the other hand, requires 18 courses in math (stats included) and a few business related classes. Initial evidence seems to indicate that actuary science is a tier or two above accounting and finance.
I should also clarify: I don't disrespect accountants or "businessmen" who have made a name for themselves in business. I've only been referring to people who decide to take that on as their major. As far as I can tell, their projected coursework isn't comparable to mine.

>I don't have a job
You may not have a job, but you're doing well in school. It'd be bad if you were jobless and failing school, but that's not the case here.

>I let my mother pay for everything even though we are struggling financially.
It seems like your mom is totally willing to pay for you. Do you make it easy on her? Like, you need money for books and to pay bills, but you don't need to be asking her for money to go out and party or to go to the movies, you know? I wouldn't push it, if I were you.
And that's your mama. You're her baby, she's taking care of you. As long as you treat her with respect and be sure to take care of her when he needs it, then I don't see why it's at all an issue.

>I've chosen a stupid major: Philosophy. My dream career would involve extending my time in school by at least five years in order to get a Ph.D. Although I would be working as a student teacher for whatever university I chose, most of that income would be paying for my education; it's likely that I would just be prolonging my current lifestyle and the current financial situation. On top of this, it's very likely that I will struggle to be able to find a job upon graduation.
Oh, see! You know what you wanna do, you have a plan, and you're well on your way to accomplishing this plan. You have your life figured out and you're doing really well.
Sweetie, everyone goes through tough shit in college. The BS your family's giving you just happens to be some of yours. It's something you'll have to deal with. Just make sure to make yourself happy before them, because ultimately, it's your life and your happiness that matter here.

Just don't push it with your family -- be respectful, but try not to argue. Keep it calm and push through it, stay focused on your plan.
Good luck to you and I hope everything works out fantastically. ♥

>>7288895

I see your mother has found 4chan.

>>7288884
Hey, have you ever considered...
>Major in accounting -> become accountant, make good money
>Major in finance -> become trader, IB, terrible hours but eventually can make fucking shitload
At the end of the day, your undergrad GPA and courseload within themselves are bullshit in business. The only thing that matters is the type of job you can land. Alot of them teach you most of the shit you need to know all over again as part of training/internships. But you've never experienced that, have you? Judging by the types of jobs they can land, they sure as hell command your respect, you ignorant hipster.

>>7287136

Well, you should always study what you enjoy to get the best out of university and life, and never take something just for the promise of money else you'll end up loathing everything about it (Personally I think it best to strike up a happy medium in studying something you like that can also provide a great future for you).


But you must also understand what you want to do after you graduate. I IMPLORE you to think about your career options because the tiny job market that is academia is shrinking fast right now. There are A LOT of people staying in college to avoid the shitty job market right now. SO I like that you are double majoring in something that can provide a decent income for yourself so that you can continue to get your Ph.D.


HOWEVER, get a part-time job. I don't agree with your family that you are doing anything immoral, in fact you are doing fine. BUT, everyone has to work in some way. It's the only way to get an income to support yourself. Think of it this way, your mom is supporting you so much and loves you enough to let you do your thing under her own finances. So why not pay her back some? Get a part-time job to help pay for your education/books/meals/etc. and to help your mom out. Understand that its not just people with easy majors who have jobs on the side. I am an engineer and I can't think of many people who DIDN'T work on the side for for big engr companies while maintaining high grades AND participating in university activities. So test yourself. See what your limits are and if you can exceed them. If you are smart enough to maintain a 4.0 average, you are smart enough to figure out a way to still get that AND maintain a part-time job.

>>7288985
Why do people keep calling me a hipster? Is it because I don't worship money? Get over it, faggots. Money isn't everything.