My mother was a single parent. And then she met my stepdad. I was about 4 when she met him, so I grew up with a wonderful father.

Don't be disheartned. There may be men who will generalise and decide they don't want to be with you. But there are still men out there willing to give it a try.

The only thing that would dissuade me from dating a single mother is the thought of raising a child that wasn't mine. That being said, it's probably something I'd easily get over after I got to know the kid.

After seeing my single mother trap my stepdad into a pragmatic, loveless, and sexless marriage so she could have a bank account to draw on while she daydreamed of my birth father leaving his wife and rescuing her, there's no way in fuck that I'd allow myself within inseminating distance of a single mom.

I think most men would stay away from single mum's for fear of being roped into being a dad and that's probably the biggest thing.

I certainly don't envy single mum's. I'd rather be the guy that doesn't date a mum because she has a kid than to be a mum that get's looked past because of her kid.

Men who reject you just because you are a mother aren't worth your tears.

There are men out there who have successfully dated/married women who have children from another man.

/adv/ is filled with a bunch of ugly/fat neckbeards and awkward virgins who are only teens or in their early twenties; EVERY girl to them are bitches and whores. They are little boys, after all.

Chin up!

My brother dates single moms. They're usually all bat shit crazy shitting crazy bats. Some are trashy, some are uneducated, some are beautiful and work hard. But they're all are insane.

If it's a daughter, and you don't mind having threesomes, you'll still be able to find guys with relative ease.

>Are single moms really the lowest of the low in terms of appeal?

No, sluts are. Bear ind mind that most people who don't have any problem with single moms aren't really going to bother posting about how they don't mind them, while those who feel strongly about the issue will - hence the seemingly harsh response in that thread.

I'm the type of person that espouses the kind of shit you're complaining about, but I won't kick you while you're down.

As long as you don't expect a guy to help you raise a child, your chances aren't that bad at all. In fact they're pretty good. Obviously your market value isn't nearly as high as it was when you were childless, but it's still not at rock bottom. Just do what you can to make sure not a crazy harpie who is just looking for some guy to leech off of, and you'll be fine.

I don't really have any advice.

But I'm one of those typical "kissless virgin" guys here. That being said, I've had crushes on single mothers before. It doesn't really turn me off, it just makes the girl even more intimidating.

I'd be a little weary about it at first, just because I've never actually been in a relationship before. I know it wouldn't last long, and I wouldn't want to get attached to both the girl and her kid, then have to move on.

Why didn't you abort OP?

>>5995647

'twas waiting for this. Now I can go away.

Yeah that is a hard path to walk, as a guy that would always be in the back of my head that I was raising some other mans kid. I think older guys would mind it though, but I don't know your situation. Most people aren't ready/want kids at all usually. I feel for them, I don't think they're all broken/crazy bitches and at least have compassion to care for another fragile human life. It's seems like it would be the norm as you get older, but I have no idea.

>>5995571
>Single mom
Instant replies

Don't worry about it OP; that's what betas are for.

>>5995647
god i love the internet sometimes

i feel the same way as those guys when i meet a man with a child. you know why i feel that way? because at my age (22) it's really unattractive for a man to have been so irresponsible. Also, i don't like the baggage that comes with the "i have a kid/kids" spiel. Maybe that's what the guy is feeling when you say you have a kid. But see, i know i'm shallow when it comes to that. I'm slightly immature about that shit because i've never been in the position myself. You'll find someone who is mature enough to handle the kid thing. Hell, a friend of mine, also my age, has two kids by two different dudes and she's got someone.

>>5995666
>makes the girl even more intimidating.

Oh yes. As if single, young, attractive women standing alone aren't already intimidating to neckbeards.

I'd rather take a girl in a wheelchair than a single mom. After all, the wheelchair-girl might not be a fucking retard. And, she'd appreciate my penis more than a cockgobbling whore who has managed to get pregnant.

Single mothers are only okay if they won't abort it for some personal reason but will give it out to adoption. But then again, she wouldn't be a mother anymore.

well, i think age group is extremly relevant. i have a hard time beieving any educated and stable male in his mid twenties or younger would willingly date a single mom. when youre older id assume its easier

my mom was in the same situation. she was single and then met my dad in her thirties. felt good man

though i appreciate what my dad did, i personally would never raise someone else's child

>single mom

only idiots date single mom do you think a smart hot good looking man would date a single mom?

What about single dad's here.

The few single moms I went after all rejected me. I used to have an issue until I spoke about it with one of my coworkers who professed to only ever dating single moms, and he kinda cooled my nerves on it. These days I just see them as women, rather than moms, so I suppose people with my mindset are the ones to look for.

>>5995765
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>>5995695

>Are single moms really the lowest of the low in terms of appeal?
Without doubt. When even the guy you were willing to get a child (a fucking CHILD) with is tired of your bullshit, you really can't be worth crap.

Probably you'll find a mate when your kid is grown up, or you'll get someone who got divorced and has kids himself

Grew up with a single mum, she'd fuck complete strangers very regularly, I think she was lonely or something. They were all nobodies, all drunk simpletons that weren't good enough for my mum, physically and mentally. Whilst I was growing up she had occasional boyfriends, although they never really showed any emotion to my or my brothers, and we'd often be neglected by them.

She'd sometimes date 'mr nice guys' for a while, and it'd turn out they were only after one thing. They'd offer lavish gifts for both me and my brothers and herself. Nothing would really come of them, sometimes we'd get lousy budget trips to theme parks. Once he was bored of fucking my mum he'd never be seen again.

Well seeing as it is my dream to raise a little girl, regardless if she was my own or not, I would most certainly date a single mom. I most certainly have the aptitude for it as well.

27 year old anon here.

What about single parents whose partners died?

Only single moms I'd consider are widows.

And I'm in a high enough socioeconomic bracket and young enough where almost none of the girls I know are single moms.

Depends on how you had the child. If it's a love child then you're a whore. If it's a rape child, depends on how you were raped, ps ditching your undies and getting drunk at a party isn't rape. If you were in a long term relationship and the male broke it off, you found out he was a pedo, or he died, it would be ok.

>>5995644
This. Asking 4chan for their opinions on women is generally a bad idea.

>>5995805
>Well seeing as it is my dream to raise a little girl

nigga u sound like a fag, and you also too old for 4chan

>>5995711
I said "even more"

.>>5995805
>it is my dream to 'raise' a little girl
Fuck off, pedo scum.

>>5995571
>>5995695
huh, do you raise the kid?
seriously if you are raising the kid I know 10- 20 women that think you are the honest shit on the planet.
Guess what Single parents, This is kid raising time, if you are having dating problems, don;t go looking for random guys/girls, wait and be patient. Think about meeting other single parents, and through family kid based activities, this is best.

>>5995823
>Depends on how you had the child. If it's a love child then you're a whore. If it's a rape child, depends on how you were raped, ps ditching your undies and getting drunk at a party isn't rape. If you were in a long term relationship and the male broke it off, you found out he was a pedo, or he died, it would be ok.
Pretty much this.

Oh, and threesomes are a must.

not everyone will reject you for being a single mom.

what guys dont want is this princess style single mom one who is not taking care of her own kid and only looking for everyone else to help her out. on who can not admit that they made some mistakes along the way and now they must do something for themselves to change their situation.

nothing wrong with having help from family or either the childs father but no one wants all the drama and bullshit a child is not a paycheck and you should be doing something to better your life.

i think a strong independent young woman who has their own career and can take care of herself and her child is really sexy but their just is so few of those women out there

keep hope op

>>5995864
>Oh, and threesomes are a must.

Do you mean with the child?

From the perspective of a guy in his early 20s

Being a single mom makes me highly skeptical of your decision making abilities. coupled with the fact that I am not interested in raising some brat until probably my mid twenties, if ever; and my disinterest in supporting some welfare queen (doesn't apply to all, just most) makes this an extremely uphill battle for you.

Don't mean to dash your hopes but you have to be absolutely incredible to draw my interest.

>I just want to know what I can hope for

A man who already has kids and isn't financially crippled by paying child support. The idea of becomming a father scares the fuck out of most males nowadays, someone who's already past that point is your best bet by far.

>>5995860
no, i'm not raising the kid, thats why i don't get with people who have kids. if i wanted to raise a fucking kid, i'd have my own. if i wanted baby mama/daddy drama, i'd have one of my own. if i wanted to be broke and unprepared, i'd have a kid. I'm not putting up with someone's sticky fingered brat just to get laid.

>>5995802
iknowthatfeel.jpg

>>5995571

Okay. It really depends on who you are but...

I'd gladly go for someone in your position if it means they'd love me as much as i loved them, You sound like a very sweet woman with a lot going for her.. If i was in the situation, and i really loved you, I wouldn't care if you had children or not. Hell, I don't really mind kids, just as long as they weren't too annoying.

But, me thinks you aren't interested in a 18 year old. Haha Like heck you'd want another kid around, am i right?

Well, my point being is that not all men are the same. There will be some who love you and are willing to be with you and your child. I hope you find someone.

>>5995889
>>5995889
>>5995889
>>5995889
>>5995889
>>5995889
>>5995889
POST OF THE FUCKING DECADE

>>5995858
I hate people like you. Not every man is a pedo just because he wants a daughter.

>>5995897
must have got your post wrong then, I thought you were a single dad.

kinda a double standard with single dads, women love them.

It's retarded that people think single mothers are sluttier than regular girls. It's not like the sluttier you are, the more likely pregnancy is. The non pregnant sluts just got lucky. If anything, choosing to keep the kid indicates the woman having some sort of 'family values', and people on birth control usually have a lot more sex than ones who aren't (it's stupid not to be, but it shows they aren't expected to get laid all the time)

>>5995931
>women love them

only the whores do, because they think that man is reliable

most well rounded, self sufficient, and psychologically stable women probably wouldnt

>>5995931
>women love single dads

HAAAAAAAAAA
i know of none.

Nope, I know plenty of good girls that are single mums.

I'd date one if I especially clicked with any of them. My brother's currently dating a girl with a young son, it's no big deal.

>>5995949
this times 9000

>>5995893
>A man who already has kids and isn't financially crippled by paying child support. The idea of becomming a father scares the fuck out of most males nowadays, someone who's already past that point is your best bet by far.
>implying those guys are eligible to women
Seriously you don't think a woman would settle for that do you?

Also speaking from the perspective of a guy in his mid-20s:

At this point in my life I don't feel ready to raise ANY child, regardless of whether it's a stepchild/adopted/my own blood. That being said, usually guys who are ready for that will be older - mid to late 20s, or early 30s. It all just depends.

Don't give up hope OP. Any guy who isn't ready for your child isn't right for you anyway. You'll meet the right one.

>>5995955
There is a stereotype of women swooning over single dads but I think that's more of the older more distinguished gentlemen that hold down a full time job as well as raise a child rather than the stupid teenager that lives off benifits and hardly raises his kid.

>>5995941
i only take birth control when i'm in a committed relationship. I'm not a mom because i've kept my legs closed on all other occasions. it's called being responsible.

>>5995889
>Being a single mom makes me highly skeptical of your decision making abilities

Yeah, because there has never been a woman who divorced a man for completely legitimate reasons.
Grow the fuck up, kid, most marriages don't last nowadays, in spite of what the retarded christfag propaganda you grew up with may want to make you believe. There's obviously enough cases where it's the woman's fault, but it works the other way as well.
The most important factor here is that people just grow apart in almost every long term relationship. Can't really blame that on anyone, it just happens.
Most of my friends are in stable relationships or maried, but i can count the truly happy couples on one hand, and that's not due to poor judgement,
A happy, lifelong marriage isn't something you can expect, it takes pretty exceptional people and a lot of luck.

My mother was a single mom. Let me tell you, you are awesome, taking on the burden of raising a child all on your own. Your child will appreciate you that much more when he/she grows up.

Happy mother's day to you, full of love.

>>5995983
that sounds far more legit than when you first said it.

>>5995644

>using /adv/ as a sample of the male population
>mfw

I don't get how single mothers still think about sex after they have a child..
Actually I think getting a good dicking is worth more than your child,but what that's my opinion.Also if you have a son,you should think that kids make fun of him at school because his mom is a slut but w/e

>>5996000
>A happy, lifelong marriage isn't something you can expect, it takes pretty exceptional people and a lot of luck.
No, it only takes two people who aren't retarded, aren't selfish cunts, and are willing to work on something together. That this is "rare" nowadays speaks volumes of humanity.

Single mom is the proof of alpha beta theories most of you like to disregard. Biologically single mom isn't a new phenomena. Females want the alphas genetics and rather have kids with them despite the risk of being dumped/left alone. That's where the betas come in the picture. Females don't wanna bear their child but rather exploit their resources to raise the alphas kid. This is why men are scarred of single moms. Subconscious or not, they are scarred of being denied the right to be a father to their own child with their own genetics and being forced to spend their resources to raise other man's child. It's completely justified.

But don't worry someone there will definitly be a beta desperate enough to risk that and date you. You just need to lower your standard really low. But not low enough Sig you will marry a suck pedo that molest your kid. Like it happened many time before.

Hi OP

I'm not a mysogonist woman hater, nor am I a faggot beta-white-knight, so maybe you'll value my opinion more than most.

There are some guys (good looking ones) who would jump at the chance to raise some other girl's kid. No joke. My ex girlfriend's bf after me started dating a crazy single mom with 2 kids after they broke up, and he's pretty good looking and in his early 20's. The same ex gfs sister got pregnant as well, and this guy (good looking, athletic) who liked her said he'd raise the kid with her.

Those are just examples. Personally, I wouldn't do it.

The guys you have to look for are the preppy-ish ones oddly enough.

As long as you're hot, you'll be able to get laid. But it may be slightly harder to find a relationship. Just don't look for one, and the right thing will happen.

Hope that helps.

>>5995969
I didn't say these people are top-tier dating material anywhere in my post.
I just said that these where the guys who'd be most willing to date a single mom.
lrn2readingcomprehension, you dense twat.

Well i'm a teenage lad and all I want is to have a family. I don't care about anything other than getting a steady job, a nice girl and having lots of kids. The sooner the better. I don't know how I feel about raising somebody else's kid though. If the girl was special enough to me then I would but it's something that no man should ever take lightly. I wouldn't want to fuck up somebody's kid because I couldn't handle it.

I'd totally date a single mom if I wasn't so young.

>>5996006
>. Let me tell you, you are awesome, taking on the burden of raising a child all on your own.

Implying the man doesn't pay childsupport

>>5996023
>>5996023
>>5996023
>>5996023
100% truth, faggots. Read up.

>>5996000

perspective, dufus. I'm referring to stereotypical single mothers in my age range, and there is a TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON of them.

sage

Single mothers terrible parents, creates worse human beings and the the most serial killers and psycho's and cirminals.
http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/parenting/studies-show-kids-of-single-moms-are-worse-behaved-2401190
http://trueinstigation.blogspot.com/2006/04/most-serial-killer-are-men.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer

Paternity fraud 30% of paternity test show women are lyign bitches and the kid is some other guys then the father she says it is.
http://familyfraud.com/why-do-feminists-oppose-paternity-tests-when-30-prove-the-man-was-the-victim-
of-fraud-support-of-slavery.htm
http://www.menshealth.com/best-life/fathers-and-kids-parenting-fraud
http://www.canadiancrc.com/Newspaper_Articles/Globe_and_Mail_Moms_Little_secret_14DEC02.aspx

.>>5995929
Yes they are. Now fuck off, you pedo scum.

I don't know, it depends.

My mom was a single mom. My dad died when I was little. She was definitely damaged goods, but she had no problem finding men. The thing is, they tended to be abusive. She had a couple relationships as I grew up, each lasting 2-3 years. She then stopped dating when I turned about 13, started focusing on her (meager) career. Then she met a guy who is honestly pretty amazing and they're going strong. So it took a lot of stupid decisions and a lot of time, but eventually she did find love again.

Another example. My boyfriend's best friend is currently interested in a pregnant chick. He's an okay guy, kind of. He's sort of dating-but-not-actually two chicks right now and has yet to actually decide on one. So obviously he's not head-over-heels for this girl, but he does favor her. She's laid-back and shows a lot of interest in him. No games or bullshit, and he finds that appealing. Being a good person can help you land a significant other no matter your situation.

>>5996000

It might just be a regional/personal thing, but when I hear "single mom" I assume she's had her child(ren) out of wedlock. Divorced women may be single and mothers but I don't really consider them single mothers.

So yes, as for the decision making abilities of women who have kids out of wedlock. It's not just that they let some guy spoo in them with no protection. Every time I talk to a single mom the dad is always a druggie, felon, insane, unemployed, et cetera. I'm not saying that every women can find and happily marry a kindhearted doctor/pilot/lawyer, but have some fucking standards. Jesus Christ.

>>5996047
Samefagging retard samefagging it up.

Yep lowest of the low

You know why men are scarred of dating single mom? THEY WOULD RISK HAVING TO DO WITH YOUR KID ACCUSATION OF BEING PEDO. No joke if her teenage girl/boy hate him and make up a story of him molestin them as a kid everybody would believe them. Apparently the feminist media has brainwashed us to believe all men are sick rapist and the victim us always right until proven otherwise and its nothing you can do to disprove their claim that you molest them 10 years ago when they were an infant because they still remember and got life lasting trauma from that!

>>5995929

2nded. Grew up with 2 brothers and only male cousins. If I had boys it'd feel like recursing, you know? And girls are less likely to track mud in the house and beat each other up.

>>5995571

My mom was a single parent. I'm fucked up, depressed and a kissless virgin until 23. Please, euthanise your child and yourself while you still can.

OP, I just wanted to let you know you're dirty filthy slut.

You're the epitome of disgust in our society. See what happens when you open your legs to an asshole?

You deserve everything you got. And I do hope the biological father moves out of the country to where he won't have to pay child support. Because you do not deserve support of any type.

My mother met my step dad when I was 5. Left me with my grandmother to go live with him. I'm 18 now. I grew up without a father or a mother.

>Mfw I try not to beat the living shit out of both of them now that I'm all growed up and big as fuck

>>5996111
>>5995929
Would you god damned pedos take a hint and fuck off? You are not wanted here, just get the fuck out.

>>5996106
This seems plausible.

I'm sure there was study[citation needed of course] that most men chose not to go into teaching for fear of that sort of thing. Despite it being their life ambition and not actually being a pedo.

>>5996102

Retarded graph is retarded.

Pro-tip: The people who "saved" it for marriage are Christards who think Gawd will be pissed if they divorce.

>>5995919

Okay. thats my post right there.^

OP, you probably aren't in the topic or ignored me about i'm a faggot. whatever. I took the time to try to give you advice.

Only the responses saying anything negative seem to get attention. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

>>5996139
So you're saying that you NEVER want a daughter because you're not a pedo?

You do realise men can molest boys too, right? I want a couple of boys and a couple of girls, does that mean I am going to molest all of them?

7/10 I raged. Good night.

It depends on if I'm attracted to her or not. Most single moms I have met though are usually uneducated and trashy. But this stems from having to put education aside in order to raise the kid.

There's a man rule that states one should never date a woman with baggage.

I'm sure the OP can rope some lonely beta, but the more cynical lone wolves and alphas are going to stay far away from her

>>5996135

>Randy Orton with a neckbeard

If you seriously look like that, I'd. Well, I don't know what I'd do. I'd probably stare.

Op I would date you if you let me to fuck your child. Boy or girl doesn't matter:)

>>5996157
>7/10 I raged.
Thanks.
>Good night.
Good night.

You pedo.

>>5996135

>Live with grand mother
>While mom & step dad have a ball
>Only form of parenting is phonecall parenting
>Only birthday wishes are on the phone

I know that feel, bro. I know that fucking feel.

>>5996184

>>5996135
>>5996135

Don't do it, it's not worth it. Just cut off all contact with them.

Well for guys who have the white knight disease it might actually help you. Personally, I'm afflicted and I knew a woman who had a little girl. She was spoiled but I kind of liked them both together and I felt some urge to help them. I never did, but I can see how some guys who have this moral programming would be attracted to single moms,

Personally I wouldn't mind, and I'm a very attractive guy in all aspects. I wouldn't mind another member of the household given the tyke was kind.

There is zero reason (besides rape) for an unwanted child to be born with all the birth control methods available.

>>5996150
Buttmad used up skank detected. You're not marriage material stfu.

Majority of people here are mostly inexperienced men who dont have that kind of experience and mostly say these things because thats what their first impressions single mothers are.

Best Wishes. :)

>>5995644
Here we go with the fucking shaming language. No one will ever get me to do something as retarded as marry a single mom by insulting me. Not ever. Also; fuck you.>>5996124
>>5996102
>>5996082
>>5996082
Im with these guys

22 year old here making 70k a year.

No, I would never consider a relationship with a single mom.

For the following reasons.

>Irresponsible
>Has horrible taste in men, gets dumped with a child
>Probably insane and uneducated
>Did I mention irresponsible?

i think most of it might depend on age
the younger you are, more difficult you'll have finding guys who'll want to be with you, because at their age their main concern is enjoying life, not beign tied down and playing pretend family

>>5996272

>hurr hurr i gloat at you.

>>5996231
I think...I think you have some things backwards, buddy.

You shouldn't be worried op. Look at this board there are plenty of desperate betas who gonna still be virgin in there 30 and would open their foreskin the same second you tell them to. But I bet you don't want them tho. You want a perfect rich and handsome alpha in glowing white armor to rescue you and your kid. It won't happen.

a friend of mine is a single mom because the man she was with cheated on her. she stayed with him after that for some months trying to forgive him and make things work for the kid but of course it wouldn't. they were engaged and everything before the kid and together for a few years and that was how he treated her. just saying, not all single moms are sluts. maybe not the best decision makers, but they aren't all sluts.

>>5996328
So they're just retards?
Yes, I thought so.

You already have a kid you know for sure its yours so why bother? Your biological duty is fulfilled. I think the lowest form of human being that society look down upon is people like me and my fellow foreveralone permavirgin betas. Cheer up.

Would you tell us how you became a single mom OP?
So we can sympathise/throw insults at you?

>(And, yes, Mother's Day was lonely as fuck)

Damn, when y'all's kid don't wanna spend time with you on Mother's Day... that shit is harsh.

Anyway, my brother dated a single mom, ended up marrying her and having two daughters with her. She whored her daughters out (the son from her first marriage helped in pimping, and he probably raped them while he was at it), and when my brother found out, he killed himself.

Even aside from that, the fact is that most divorces are initiated by women these days, indicating that most single moms are single of their own volition. A woman who chooses to become a single mom is either insane or has a shit ton of baggage, more than a typical divorcee.

So yeah, no single moms for me.

>mfw the love of my life is a single mom raising two kids, recently divorced

>>5996358
> I think the lowest form of human being that society look down upon is people like me and my fellow foreveralone permavirgin betas.

Only if they are familiar with /r9k/, or this board after /r9k/ was closed down and you invaded.
Most people aren't aware of the horrible, disgusting, disturbing things going on in your mind and only view you with mild annoyance or, more likely, indifference.
I can't even begin to describe how wrong they are.

>>5996387
What in the fuck? Why would anyone ever date a single mom again after reading this?

how about you stop trying to get a guy, OP?

first priority should be your child, and if you say "but it needs a father", well. It's too late for that, now.

Maybe someday you will find a guy who will like you, but as long as you are searching for him, you definitely won't. The second a man thinks you want to be dependent on them they're out.

when I was younger, I'd have run a mile from a single mom, now I look and think, how does the kid behave...
So if she's 25-30 and has a 10 year old because she fucked up when she was a teenager, but she's kept it together, is smart and clean... still attractive, and the kid was well behaved not some crazy little douche.
I'd be happy to spend time with her, to see if I could have a relationship that goes somewhere.

I don't want to raise another mans child... actually that's not exactly right... I don't want to unknowingly raise another mans child.
And if the child she already has is healthy and friendly...
a few things pops into my head,
good mother...
proven fertility..
I don't mind helping her raise HER other child if she's willing to have some with me.

i was in that mothers day thread op

>i trolled it so hard

>>5996421
Not everyone believes everything on the internet.

I'm a single mother. My husband died in a car crash 2 years ago. Of course men never stick around long enough to find that much out and just tar me with the irresponsible slut/bad parent/bitch tag.

>>5996426

Parents are human beings too. Not robots who exist to serve their kid.

Parents want to have fun, fuck, snuggle, and drink like the rest of us.

Pro-tip: If you marry a chick with kids, NEVER adopt them. You may think it's a cutesy formality that will win you points with their mom. But you WILL have to pay child support for them if you divorce.

Some states require you to pay child support if you've acted in a fatherly capacity. For instance, in WA you can be shaken down for child support if you've lived with a single mom.

hey femanon

you know :s
remember back when you were 18-20 or well, at least before you had your child

all the nice guys, willing to build a future with you
you were beautiful, had all control in the world over their pathetic little souls
they would give the world to you, you denied, were a bitch to them and used them up

you decided to have sex with assholes instead
lots of sex, breaking numerous hearts on your way, even being a slut and enjoying it

then voila, you were pregnant
you decided to keep it, one thing led to another as life is not really predictable
the asshole left, you were to raise the kid alone. a tough job

and here you are now, trying and working hard to make the best out of your life, like all of us

your story made me feel sorry, but remember all the hearts you have broken in your past.
I think this is just karma at work.

I'm sorry about your thread though. I really am. It must not be easy for you.
But I it's not my job to be there for you in hard times. Now it's my time to be an asshole.

>>5996570
>your story made me feel sorry, but remember all the hearts you have broken in your past.
I think this is just karma at work.
Hmph.

>>5996570
She still wouldn't date you anyways.

>>5996570

Not bitter at all then...

op just cool your horses, date for mature love and who the other person is. id settle down with a chick if she had kids if I could trust it was me she wanted not just some one to bring home the bacon. you'll piss any one off if they feel like you are using them.


>>5996082
... i love you.
I love when people give resources. your my hero.
lets run away together to /sci/ and never come back to this board.

>>5996609
>whiteknight.jpg

Date single dads....

>Are single moms really the lowest of the low in terms of appeal?

Yes.

Think about what you are asking of a man here: You are asking them to dedicate their life and money to a child that ISN'T THEIRS.

Do you know what this sounds like to a man? This sounds like 'be my ex boyfriend's condom'.

You are asking a man to put the genes of a stranger ahead of his own - from a genetic point of view, if you don't have a second child with him too, you've effectively castrated and murdered him.

You are asking him end his bloodline for that of another man.

>>5996447

Sorry that you think I'm lying to make /adv9k/'s misogynist streak...uh...streakier. I wouldn't discourage anyone from dating a single mom (I personally wouldn't, but that doesn't indicate that I think that nobody should), but I would encourage them to be very, very careful about who they date. A lot of guys go after single moms because they're desperate to marry and start a family and they don't really pay attention to big big warning signals that the woman is nuts, which is what my brother did. We all warned him away from her, but nope, dude wanted a family, blah blah blah.

>>5996676
>You are asking him end his bloodline for that of another man.
>Implying that he couldn't also have a child with her

Half-siblings, how do they work?

>>5996676

did you know that it's possible for women to have more than one child with more than one man? craaaaazy shit bro, craaaazy shit

>>5996676
>Think about what you are asking of a man here: You are asking them to dedicate their life and money to a child that ISN'T THEIRS.
I've dated 3 girls with kids (no idea how that happened, but anyway), none of them wanted me to dedicate my life to their kids. In fact, all of them were very hesitant about introducing me to their kids at all and only one of them actually did (after 3 months of dating and many conversations about how she didn't expect me to be any kind of father to her child if we were to continue dating).

You're pulling assumptions out of your ass and all your evolutionary-psychology mumbo jumbo about "ending his bloodline for another stranger's genes" or whatever the fuck just makes you sound retarded.

>>5996720
EXACTLY. Tbh, most single mums tend to be wary of introducing their kids (especially if they're young) because it's awkward as fuck if something goes wrong and you split up two weeks later, only to have said child walking around the house saying "Mommy, is Anon coming over today? Why not?"

it's pretty funny that some single mom who willingly fucked up her life (i exclude widows here) gets all the heartfelt sympathy in the world, while ugly permavirgins who have absolutely no hope for deliverance whatsoever just earn a whole ton of "man up faggot"s instead

~lyfe of a woman~

I'm a single dad so I obviously don't see any problem dating single moms.

Lol, I saved the other thread because other peoples misery fuels me right now, especially stupid people. Here is a highlight saved from it.

Honestly, there are three billions women in the world. What makes you so special that we should overlook your enormous stack of baggage and issues? What you get out of a relationship with a single mother is much, much less than what you put into it.

For a variety of reasons:
1. I'm not just dating you, I'm dating you and your kid (as in, I have to impress the both of you.)
2. The kid is always going to come first. I will only ever be second fiddle. Why in the world would I want that when I could easily find a woman who would love me?
3. I'm raising another man's kid. I don't think elaboration is necessary.

Those are the three main reasons why dating a single mom is a waste of time and energy. I'm not saying I never would, but the benefits would need to outweigh all those negatives (as well as any others.)

>>5996703
>>5996704
idiots who dont bother reading full post.
he talked about her having a second kid

>>5996784
>I will only ever be second fiddle.
WAHHHH her child comes first in her life! What about my needs?? WAAAHHH shut the fuck up. Better her kid than say her friends if she was not a single mom?

>>5995571

Yes, because 90% of single mothers fucked some giant douchebag and now you're banking on finding a reasonable guy to carry you to old age. Usually by the time "nice guys" are old enough to date single mothers, they realize you're the exact kind of woman who would have laughed in their face during their high school years, and all the handsome successful dudes are bagging anyone they like.

>>5996676
>>5996676

And if she does have children with him?
if the child she already has is happy and healthy it shows both good parenting skills and good genes on her side... it's an advertisement of her success.

>>5996809

uh lol it's not like it's some civic duty of his to date single mothers. she has to make it attractive for him (just like he does for her), he doesn't owe her or her kid shit

>>5996809
Why would I date a woman who let her friends come before me? If the highlight of her day isn't swallowing my cum, she can fuck off and die. If she loves anything more than me, I don't need her and she can find a beta piece of shit to torment.

How come people never asked for OP's pic.

OP post pic

>meet single mom online.
>didn't judge her one bit. absolutely adored her daughter.
>date off and on for a few months.
>found out she was talking with other guys the whole time
>dumps me because I'm still in school and not "settled down"
>realized it wasn't the fact she was a single mom, it was just her habits and whore attitude that got her there.
>mfw

>>5996784
>2. The kid is always going to come first. I will only ever be second fiddle. Why in the world would I want that when I could easily find a woman who would love me?
So because she cares about her child more than she cares about me, a guy she's been dating for a few months, that means she doesn't love me?

>>5996830

>"alpha" male seek beta female...

lol... enjoy you're vapid tramps.

>>5996704
>if you don't have a second child with him too

HURRRRR HOW DOES I READ

>>5996845
It's impossible for her to love you as anything more than a means of feeding and clothing her child.

I'd only get with a single mother if their child was young, and if the child was female. As the male child of a single mother, along with my brother, I know what it's like for another man to come into your family. I was 8ish when my (now stepdad) met my mother, and my brother was 15. My brother ended up clashing with my stepdad, out of what I assume was fear my stepdad was trying to replace my father (he isn't). I would be terrified of getting with a single mother only for her child to resent me. I imagine a female child would be less angry than a male, and if the child is younger they are more likely to be acclimatised to me so won't flip out.

This is 144 post in and its probably already been said, but this board is populated by mostly teenagers and early 20 year olds. Early 20 year olds dont want to raise another mans kid. someone in their late 20's forward would probably be more willing. Remember you're on 4chan, and dont read too much into what retards post on here.

I would never date a single mother, ever. Period.

the thought of raising some1s child definetly hangs bitterly in my mouth.
Although a girl is more acceptable than a boy.
-
dating a single mom; not likely, she would have to be a top quality woman, to be worth the baggage (but then why would someone leave her, and he couldn't have been a stupid guy because top quality women can recognize a top quality guy) and so it goes in circle...

>>5996755
haha, you think some fluffy puffy pat on the back is better than a "MAN UP, FAGGOT" thread. A MAN UP FAGGOT" thread is GOLD compared to saying "there there it's not your fault...",
-
it has changed more people for the better!!! rather than allowing them to sink where they are into obscurity. It has made them rethink their attitudes.
ID rather have some1 tell me "QUIT YER BITCHIN; YOU WANT IT? GO GET IT! AND NEVER COMPLAIN TO ME AGAIN BECAUSE I KNOW ITS NOT BEYOND YOUR REACH"
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You're one of those guys that think women have it better in everything hahah have some faith in your gender you faggot.

I took a single mother on a date once. I'd be ready to raise a kid, just so long as the mother was A) competent and B) completely separated from the husband. I don't need trailerpark Steve busting down my new front door to yell at my new girlfriend, right?

There's a lot of things that intimidate guys when it comes to single mothers and beyond the idea of raising a child not of his own seed, there's the fact that most of them have bad reputations as leeches, the idea that they might have extremely scummy, angry ex-husbands, and further than that, the idea of raising a kid at all-- not everyone's ready for that kind of strong commitment, and it is one HELL of an investment of time, energy and love... not to mention they have to impress the kid all over again, because if the kid hates them, that's never going to work. It's a big, complex web-- while the logistics are sorted on your end to a degree, it's a clusterfuck for men and a lot of men are pretty bad at being able to arrange a morning routine, never you mind sorting out a slew of life choices like that.

Even so, stick with it. You're more likely to get results keeping your head high, keeping confident, and being tenacious than you are being sulky and miserable.

My mother did it, and she had three kids. You only have one; I think you can manage, somehow.

>>5996755
what did you just say? Maybe you should reread the thread unless you are just trolling.

Single fathers have it pretty fucking easy. Raising kids of your own volition on your own as a man is like, insta-laid. (As long as the kid's not a baby and won't wake you in the middle of the night.)

>>5996949
>Although a girl is more acceptable than a boy.

Why's that?

Not ITT: OP

If you are here, that you Carolina?

>>5996755
such a bitter misogynist :(

>make thread
>go for dinner
>come back
>refresh
>my face when
Jesus Christ...

I can understand it can be difficult to find a good guy who is also comfortable with raising another man's child.

But please don't make the same mistake my mother did.

She had a crippling fear of being alone, so when she divorced my father when I was about 6, she ended up marrying the guy she cheated on my dad with. (Before anyone mentions cheating whore or anything like that yes I think its disgusting what she did, but my dad used to hit her, so fair play).

The man she married was in his early 20s, and has problems of his own (Dad was a lousy drunk, his mum made him man of the house when the dad walked out when he was still young) and was clearly not comfortable with being a father figure.

Due to my mothers fear of dying alone, she would always take his side in an argument or a fight.
And due to this, I never 100% had my mum's support behind, as she would always have him constantly whispering in her ear, controlling her like a puppet.

It felt like I lost my mum to him, and he would always pretend he was a good role model and parent, without actually doing anything.


Now while a man might come along and say hes good with raising kids, please don't forget to put them first.

My uncle is marrying a widow with a kid this fall.

They met on a dating site.

>>5996720
>evolutionary-psychology mumbo jumbo

No. Just my own feelings.

>>5997021

beta as fuck.

>>5995571

OP you thought it was call sleeping with alphas. Now you need to find a beta to raise your children, good luck with that/

>>5996975
I instinctively think that way.
The daughter is less of a threat and doesn't carry on the surname, she is more easily assimilated under the male's wing.
-
also probably because a female can still find a role model in her biological mother and do everything vital a mother and daughter do.
-
With a boy, the chances of a real father-son relationship forming are small, noone dreams of raising and spending time with someone elses son.

I actually have a huge crush on a friend who has a 3 year old. I dont find it to be hard to be attracted to a mother.

I'm a computer science student
I make good grades

I would never date any of the following
>single moms
>divorced women in general, whether they have children or not
>daughters of fat parents (in all likelihood, they will end up putting on weight too)
>women who didn't go to college
>women who went to college and studied liberal arts fluff
>Latinos, blacks
>religious women
>feminists who believe in chivalry
>women who can't do calculus
>women who drive SUVs even though a smaller, more fuel efficient car would suit their lifestyle just as well
>women who intend on having many children
>women who are obsessed with jewelry
>women who think it's acceptable to whisper in someone's ear while conversing in a group
>women who cannot go to a public bathroom without another woman with them

>>5996839
i like the way u think

>>5997110
Like you were already destined to be alone. You're making it guaranteed.

>>5997110
have fun being unhappy and having a huge midlife crisis

Left behind every single mother who got knocked up by an ignorant asshole are a dozen really nice guys with good jobs who would have happily devoted themselves to her in a lifetime of faithful matrimony.

>>5997121
>>5997129
I'm content being alone, I do not require other people to have satisfaction and enjoyment in my life

This, in conjunction with the fact I am a successful white male with desirable genetics, means I can afford to be selective

>>5997058
I think that your interpretation of the alpha/beta concept has stagnated somewhere before the industrial revolution. Trying to fit men into old archetypes of hunter/protector is nonsensical in most societies where "survival" is less of an issue and the purpose of human life is much more obviously subjective. I'm not saying that being macho might not help some men in their lives due to certain women being attracted to that sort of thing, but attraction and sex happens in much more flexible and often softer/ more intellectual circumstances.

dont give up, the men that walk away because you have a child are only interested in having sex with you, sooner or later you will find someone again that will love you no matter what, just try to go out more often, try different places, im sure you will get lucky one day ;-)

>>5997110

I like the way you think, don't let the beta afraid-to-be-alone faggots get to you.
-
i agree with most of the guidelines, but that's what they are, they shouldn't be rules. Because you dont have all the answers and the way you think today tomorrow will change.

lolling by the way at the totally realistic picture of some attractive brunette with big titties sleeping alone like a permavirgin

>>5995571
honestly i wouldn't date you but im 20. i could see my self being 30 or something like that and being alright with it though

>Are single moms really the lowest of the low in terms of appeal?
Yes.
/thread

The reason why guys loathe single moms is because there is incredible risk/effort involved for severely diminished benefits.

Guys get falsely accused of being child molesters. it doesn't matter if they were innocent, accusation = guilty = branded for life and they'll never have a decent job or place to live again. This is analogous to how women falsely accuse their boyfriends of rape for not marrying them - except the stakes are much higher and the man is at an even greater disadvantage.

Then there's the fact that guys get nailed for child support in some areas just for moving in with a single mother. DNA doesn't matter, the court says "the child deserves a father" which translates to "the mother deserves a free paycheck."

If you're irresponsible enough to get pregnant from a stranger, you're irresponsible enough to stab a guy in the back the moment he trusts you.

>but attraction and sex happens in much more flexible and often softer/ more intellectual circumstances.

This makes no sense. Also if you disregard the alpha beta mentally as a part of our sexuality then how come op got knocked up by an alpha Asshole who left her with the child and now looking for a desperate beta to spend resource on raising the alphas kid? Everything 4chan said about bitches and whores start to make sense more and more everyday

>>5997110

in fact, fuck it ill go out on a limb and say that's a PRETTY DAMN good list, i already made a mental note of it, refined those filters that i already had in my head.

>>5997110
Ignore buttmad bitches and desperate white knight. Your list seems reasonable.

>>5996975
To fuck/fap to.

Ironically enough, this IS an occasion where white knights might have a shot at getting laid by rescuing their whores in distress.

But I don't think even the white knights want to touch these women with a 40' pole - they just want to flame guys who point out the obvious.

>>5995571
You have a child to raise. Stop being such an approval seeking bitch and raise him/her well.
Your desperation will rub off on them and they will end up as sad as you.

This is exactly why nobody likes single mothers.

There is a very good reason why guys run away from single mothers.

Those who don't run fast enough get burned to a crisp and all the best parts have already been used by some other guy.

>>5996975
Cuz I'm not into little boy. That would be Sick!

If you are a white person you have no excuse to be a single mom. Rich white Americans that have no kids of their own have to pay a minimum of $70,000 in adoption fees and that is for a crack addicted white baby. Normal white babies cost a lot more. It is more harmful for the kid to grow up in a white trash environment under a single mom than if the mom were to give it up for adoption because only upper middle class whites can afford to adopt a white child. They can't use that they're "Christian" as an excuse because they had unprotected premarital sex but some do. The only reason for a white woman to keep a child is to screw a poor guy into having to pay child support. Note: This only applies to whites not blacks.

If a single mother were worth sticking with then why did her other man ditch her?

>>5997427
>Stormfag arguments know no bounds.

>>5997450
>oh shit he outsmarted me

DATS RACISS

>>5997450
>>5997427
enjoy your bans stormfags

>>5997450

How is it a stormfag argument? I actually feel sorry for blacks because children of single parents don't have that option whites do. If they are put up for adoption they are just bounced from foster home to foster home. Whites even travel to russia to and pay 50k bribes to judges just to get a mentally disabled white russian child rather than adopt a normal black one.

>>5997494
You sir are a racist

>>5997450
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91834&page=1

Kill your kid. Problem solved.
It gonna grow up as scum on earth and eventually kill itself anyway. You know how kids raided by single mom gonna turn onto.

Yes I'm looking at you misogynist linking guy.

Word of advice: Jump on some military dudes, they seem to want to start families more than most (probably because they realize they could die sooner than they expect)

My ex is getting married to a woman with two young sons. She's much older than him, unemployed, lives with her parents and on welfare. And before anyone asks, she's not attractive at all.

I guess my point is, is that you'll always find someone desperate enough. Your standards may be a bit too high, OP.

>>5997494
What's wrong with whites being proud?

>>5997494
WHITE IS RIGHT FAGGOT.

HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO BET OP'S SPAWN IS HALF MONKEY?

Child of a single mother here.
>20 years old
>Attending an amazing college
>Trilingual
>Well traveled
>Girlfriend
>Good grades
>/fit/
>South American living in the USA

And my mother actually refused the child support when my father openly suggested it at the time of the divorce. She has her own career (college professor) because she finished her studies before settling down. (They were married for 15 years afterwards.) It was quick, clean and no ones shit got stolen.

I support outlawing abortion because if more women gave birth to their babies then we'd have a better shot at knowing which whores lie to their boyfriends about saying they're on the pill, then dig the used condoms out of the trash when they insist on wearing them anyway.

If I got trapped into that kind of relationship I'd go on a shooting spree.

>>5997527
No, they get extra benefits, pay, and can get base housing instead being forced to live in a barracks being assigned extra duties everyday like keeping it spotlessly clean. Every time I go shopping at the Marine Corps Commissary i cringe at how ugly some of their wives are compared to how fit and attractive they look.

>>5997526
Single mothers terrible parents, creates worse human beings and the the most serial killers and psycho's and cirminals.
http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/parenting/studies-show-kids-of-single-moms-are-worse-behaved-2401190
http://trueinstigation.blogspot.com/2006/04/most-serial-killer-are-men.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer

Paternity fraud 30% of paternity test show women are lyign bitches and the kid is some other guys then the father she says it is.
http://familyfraud.com/why-do-feminists-oppose-paternity-tests-when-30-prove-the-man-was-the-victim-
of-fraud-support-of-slavery.htm
http://www.menshealth.com/best-life/fathers-and-kids-parenting-fraud
http://www.canadiancrc.com/Newspaper_Articles/Globe_and_Mail_Moms_Little_secret_14DEC02.aspx

>>5997551
You're going to grow up to do terrible things to children and animals.

>>5997551
Congratulations. You are the exception to the rule

>>5997551
>divorce

You're a divorce kid, not a "baby daddy run away" kid. Gargantuan difference. Divorce kids tend to have it good; if the parents fight over them then they're set for life and are essentially the same as a rich kid.

>>5997290
THIS

sorry OP, but it's just too risky, I'll be damned if I get stuck paying child support for another man's kid

I dont see why any guy would want to take on a child when they just want a relationship. I don't see how any guy could be blamed for not wanting to do so.

It's like when fat chicks call guys shallow for not being attracted to them. They dont seem to understand it's not the guys fault they arnt attracted to fat - it's the chicks fault for making themselves fat, and cutting down the amount of guys who want them.

I'm pretty sure any guy here, being deadly honest and thinking about it, would wish for themselves to be attracted to fat chicks - just for the sole reason that they would have more choice when it came to women. But they cant help it.

And single mothers? I'm sure if a guy liked you, he would wish he had an urge to take on or bother with your child - but if he doesnt, it's not his fault. You cant expect everyone who accept/love your little brat just because you do. And a child isn't like a mole a guy can ignore - a child is a huge thing.

>implying OP can really be lonely

>>5997567
Why is that? Those articles draw a casual relationship from a correlation at best. (lrn2statistics)

>>5997568
You on the other hand, might have a valid point. I guessed I assumed that OP was divorced.
Doubt that. The large majority of my friends have found themselves in similar situations.

>>5997579

You guys started a bitches and whores thread without me?

;_;

by the way, picture the best case scenario for some faggot who tries his hardest to make it work

he has a wife/"girlfriend" who really thinks of him as the third most important person in her life, after her kid and the stray baby daddy. so he already has two and indirectly three people he constantly has to account for. now maybe he wants a kid of her own, if the mother isn't too old let's say they try for it. he's now basically juggling two families with an immense potential for drama that'll take decades off his life

it's like trying to shame people into signing up to fight in iraq

>>5997602
OP isn't "forever alone," it's just that she wants to mug some guy for his money and the blood out of his veins so her crotchfruit has an easier life.

Kind of like how inner-city thugs point guns at people so *they* can have an easier life.

>spends her teens and/or early twenties fucking alphas and ignoring/friendzoning/laughing at betas
>gets knocked up
>alpha leaves
>can't get alphas anymore
>suddenly starts paying attention to betas she ingored/lfriendzoned/aughed at

link moderately related
http://invisibleskymagician.baywords.com/2009/02/14/women-bail-out-decommissioning-project/

Justice I'd say. So where's your wonderful 'confident' alpha bf who knocked you up know. So confident that he knocks you up and walk away without even giving a shit. Alpha as fuck!

Generally speaking, I don't think guys are interested in single moms unless they already have a kid themselves. Most people want to have their own kids.

>>5997652
It works more like this:

>Sleep with absolute filth and assume they are "alpha" because they are 100% confident about having sex (the guy already knows he isn't going to take responsibility for anything.)

>Get pregnant
>Guy runs away
>Give birth
>Get shunned by every other man from that point forward
>Enlist the help of feminists to single out a guy and pressure him into a relationship, who becomes "beta" because other women will now shun him for being "shallow"
>Twist guy's arm into moving in
>State law says guy is now her common law husband and legally responsible for child support
>Child grows up to be 100% irresponsible because that's what mommy taught in the house

>>5997652
>>5997708

These

also you two forgot about the part where the guy who gets suckered into letting the single mom and her spawn move in isn't allowed to discipline the little shit because that's "child abuse" and he might get accused of molesting the little shit.

>>5997747
THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS

Kid breaks your TV, give him a time out.

Kid breaks a neighbor's window and the neighbor demands you pay for it, give him a time out.

Kid puts roller skates on the floor and you get a back injury from a surprise fall, give him a time out.

Kid vandalizes your car, give him a time out.

Kid gets expelled from school for being an insufferable little shit, give him a time out.

Kid gets busted for drug dealing, give him a time out.

Cops drag your kid home and hand you a massive fine to pay for what he did, give him a time out.


Give him any more than a time out and you will lose what little portion of your life which remains, never to see it again until they day you die.

>>5997708
Don't you have to live together for a certain amount of time before the common law thing kicks in?

at all the people shouting that /adv/ is filled with teens and 20yo's.. i'm coming up to 30, very good job, very good money, quite capable of supporting myself and a woman and children without her ever having to work.

but i won't do it.

i was in that thread, and while i feel empathy for you i agree with a lot of people here about the whole issue of raising another mans' genes. EVEN IF we had another child together, it would not get the best it could have because we would be spending time and money on your little mistake.

i have more self respect than that.