Girl on the left looks ita to me but the girl on the right could pass as old school. Those socks aren't flattering though. They make her legs look stumpy.

>cut of the dress
>visibility of ita things like ugly corset lacing
>good quality lace, good porportions i.e. no stumpy sleeves like left girl
>good colour balance
>avoid looking like a maid if wearing bxw
>well done hair and makeup, natural wig recommended but not required
>no lace monsters a la old school Meta, some btssb pieces
>everything looks like it 'belongs', the lace going down the front of left's dress looks out of place

This stuff is elementary. I wear bxw on a regular basis, and the rest of my wardrobe is old school sweet. It's quite easy to differentiate between ita and old school once you expose yourself to enough piece and co-ords.

A lot of old school lolita is legit ugly and would be considered ita now. I'm so glad ringlets went out of fashion. Those were ugly as sin.

>>6807336
Lolita went from emulating maid to emulating clowns. It's a fashion, an extreme one at that, and it's not immune from change. In about ten years the new lolitas will look back on what's hot now and think 'oh my god that the most hideous thing, why was that ever popular?'

>>6806812 (OP)

>Come play with us Danny

I'm eh about this. From what I remember old school was just dripping with lace, so actually these girls might really be channeling the "old school' vibe. Doesn't mean it was attractive.

>>6806815
This anon said it exactly.

>that feel when I have one re-release of an old school BTSSB dress and I constantly think it's ita as fuck when I look at myself in the mirror while wearing it
>and it's navy
>and it has these front ribbons
>it's so ita but I can't help but love it

I have actually gotten to wear it more for nice dinners and parties.

I only got into lolita right after AP released Magic Whip,I was immediately drawn to OTT, now that OTT is getting less and less popular my love for lolita fades. I never liked Old School, always thought it looked frumpy on everyone.

>>6810196
Sounds like you are only into fads, not fashion.

I hate bxw so much
oh dear god
Nobody can pull it off

I'd say it's easier to look cute in old school styles with less contrast, so not black and white, but sax and white, pink and white, or black and Moitie blue

Also, maybe it's just me, but I really like "maxipad" headdresses (as long as they're narrow, like 2in wide or less, so it's more like a headband then a diaper)
But I can't stand the look of those gigantic headbows, to me they look really doofusy. (At least on me but I prefer sublter looking wigs, IMO the big bows require a twintail)

I'm like 90% certain that the girl on the left is wearing a milanoo dress..

>>6806812 (OP)
are we not going to talk about the fact that they're wearing socks over black tights?

why

>>6810216
Umm Old school lolita was a fad too buddy, and it died. Lolita for me is not a fashion, it's a fad, I didn't start wearing it expecting to wear it for the rest of my life, me and most of my friends have grown out of it. I'm sorry that I can't be a true lolita till I die.

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>>6806812 (OP)
Poor quality and clashing colors, I think the easiest colors to pull off in Old School are light ones like in pic related.

>>6810250
they have gross hair too.

>>6810275
Yeah, right, this is why brands still relase 'Old School' lolita dresses frequently.

Your newfag is showing.

>>6810275
"Old School" is just a coined term here in the US/international community. Same as "toned down sweet". It's all sweet, it's all lolita. The only thing is you don't see so many online images of it, though brands still produce them every season. But they don't get attention because they're not prints which seems to be on everyones mind as of late.

I still love OTT. I wish it was still "in", I feel like lolita is so much less popular now that the OTT fad has died down.

>>6810607

Why the heck do you care if it's 'in' or not? Just wear it if you like it. It's not like brands stopped putting out stuff that could work for OTT.

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Kokushoku Sumire rock the old school style pretty well. I think old school isn't that bad if you stick to simple silhouettes and less tacky lace everywhere.

>>6810279
Man, I fucking love that jsk. I've always wanted the red colorway, but now seeing a real photo of this one, I like the blue one a lot.

This is a horrible example, but does anyone remember when shiro-lolita was a thing?

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>>6811083
Why the fuck does my picture keep dropping?

>>6811083
I not only remember that, but I remember when Japanese girls in shiro would wear black shoes and no one got upset "because it matches [her] hair".

>>6811085
Don't care what anyone says, love her, love this. I wouldn't wear it, but I think it's great.

>>6811122
Oh, you are taking me back, anon. Next someone is going to mention mabet-gate.

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>>6811122
I remember when wearing black shoes with sweet lolita was totally acceptable.

Also, I'm really glad that mini top hats went out of style and that maxi pad headdresses are modified. And if people did use mini top hats, which is a rarity these days, they usually figure out how to make them work.

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>>6811141

>>6811141
I like the top hat in your picture though! It's not too bad...

>>6811141
cute dresses, but they all look so angry

>>6811172
behold! faces that arent covered in layers of bb creme and photoshop, eyes without falsies and circle lenses!

>>6811174
It's their expressions. The right one is the only one who has the slightest hint of a smile, and it's obviously forced.

>>6811172

It's most likely because you're supposed to notice the dresses, not the models wearing them.

>>6811389
If the models are more noticeable than the dresses, they're doing something wrong...

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>>6811141
Oh God. I've seen this photo for many years, but I just realized that the collar on the middle model is crooked.

Some things cannot be unseen.

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>>6811122

>>6811055
This. If you like the style then wear it regardless of how many other people wear it too.

>>6811419
Perfect example. I remember threads on EGL about it. Someone asking if she could wear black shoes with sweet/shiro if she has dark hair. I wonder if I could find it...

>>6811419
Satellite dish bonnets always remind me of that terrible bear ear bonnet AP put out. That thing was a monster!

tfw I would probably look silly with a bonnet

>>6811083
I hope you know that this is from the taobao indie brand Shirley Deer, right?

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Anymore good examples of well-done old school? When I got into lolita it was all white lace everywhere and I have such a soft spot for it. Unfortunately, this unspecified fine line between old school and ita is what has kept me from trying the fashion.

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the rules for not being ita in "old school" are not any different than the rules for any other style. no ugly cheap lace, make sure it fits well, sufficient petti, nice hair and makeup, etc.

a brand that still releases old school items almost exclusively is chocochip cookie. seems like they have some sort of luckypack up right now as well.

>>6811140
Mabetgate.... Ohh man I remember reading about that when I was a noob. I think it happened a bit before I started lurking.

I'm sad that I can't seem to access lolitaburger to read all the grand old drama.

>>6818702
I know! Come back to me, lolita burger!

>>6818102
>thinking thats a good example


fucking pleb

>>6818102
There's a pic of me wearing that exact dress for my prom.. However I wouldn't be comfortable with the image floating around on 4chan. I do love old school but I found it's still a bit sweet and too much on me.

>>6811412
I remember this dress. Not only is the collar crooked, the reason is that side of the collar is larger than the other, makingthe weight drag it down.

>>6810561
jsut went full retard

>>6818734
>hence why I was asking for examples of good old school

The right girl wouldn't look bad with different leg wear and shoes.

>>6810227
>Also, maybe it's just me, but I really like "maxipad" headdresses (as long as they're narrow, like 2in wide or less, so it's more like a headband then a diaper)

I thought I was the only one. I mean I would never wear one since it's painfully out of fashion, but I really wish it would come back in....

>>6812328
Everyone looks silly in a bonnet.

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dis bitch~

>>6819391
lame self post is lame

>>6819391
Looks just a step above me to my middle school dinner dance haha

>>6819364
I love the thin headdresses. It's like a headband, except frillier!

>>6819532
The Paradise Rose old-school style headbands are cute. I wear mine with my bxw Innocent World coord, I have a jsk from them that's old as hell. Really nice lace though. I've seen the matching headdress and bow go up for sale before, but I don't feel the need to get them because the clip-on headdress is lightweight and comfortable.

>>6819391
Oh, I think that's really cute. Just the bag and shoes need improvement to match the outfit. I also kind of get irritated by printed ribbons.

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>>6819627
dropped my photo
it's this but with black ribbon.

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>>6819627
and the JSK I wear with it.

>>6819660
I love the simple geometric lines found in old school stuff. It's a very lovely JSK!

>>6819876
I do too! The lace reminds me of an apron shape, definitely reminiscent of the maid themed old school stuff mentioned by >>6808413.

My friend was selling it and the same jsk in brown/cream; the material and design are just exquisite. There's a bustle in the back bordered by the same lace they used vertically on the front panel. The straps were too short to fit my bust though so I safety pinned them to be longer. I'll move the buttons someday, but they'll do for now. The bodice was originally way too high on my torso, a very traditional old-school cut. Super unflattering on my bust though.

Also I'm really short, but unlike most old school items, the skirt actually hits just under the knee instead of nearing tea-length.

>>6820035
Ahhhhh I wish I had money for burando! Or maybe I do. Not sure how much old school goes for, considering the reputation for being ita.

>>6821096
Oldschool is like dirt cheap if you're not going for the very popular ones or the rare printed ones. I got an old school jsk for around 90 and a skirt for around 40 euros, both in good to decent state.
I hope I did the reply right, I'm on my phone!

Can someone post the sauce of OP's outfits?

>>6811141
I like "maxi pad headdresses". I like rocking horse shoes too. I want to wear an old school style shiro coord with a headdress and rocking horse shoes, sort of like Momoko's coord in the end of Kamikaze girls. But I can only really afford off-brand and I'm worried I'd look tacky. I really like old school but I'm worried of looking ita.

At the same time, I love big, cheesy, bright, over the top prints and pastel mix wigs with big twin tails and tights and resin necklaces and a million hair accessories and over the top tea parties.

But I feel like neither old school nor OTT are in style anymore.

>>6819391
Her dress is so short.

>>6819391
MALLORY MALONEY
Omg does no one remember this bitch?!
She caused such a shit storm back in the day.

And anon is calling self post, oh shit I feel old. I am going to go see if her website is still up.

>>6821328
HOLY FUCK SHE HAS A TUMBLR NOW.

Shit I forgot about this girl, omg thank you for the lols /cgl/, you deliver.

>>6821096
That JSK was only $75, I bought it off a friend. Old school is pretty inexpensive.

>>6821260
I wanna rock old school gothic and classic lolita.

I see too much love for sweet lolita and i'm just not into sweet at all.

>>6821260
Are you me? I think we're thinking twins. I have 7 main pieces i.e. dresses, 5 are sweet as all hell, cute prints with ponies or ballerinas or bears. The other two are my old school IW jsk pictured in >>6819660 and a dusty rose colored Meta sundress, both old as hell with big lace and simple dress designs.

I looove OTT sweet with its crazy accessories and colorful wigs, and it has a special place in my closet, but I will always love my old school. I want black rocking horse shoes just to wear with my IW jsk, but I can't justify a purchase just for one dress. Maybe if I got a white pair I'd be able to wear it with the rest of my wardrobe. Rocking horse shoes and old school lolita are what got me interested in lolita fashion in the first place.

Anyway, I feel your feels. I will continue to wear both styles even if they're not "trendy" anymore. :)

>>6821328
deets?

>>6821394
Her site is down, let me do some digging on getoffegl and see if the posts are still there. If not, she posted that coord and another and threw a shit fit when she got concrit for it.

>>6821394
This is from like, 2007, so the caps are gone now. You can kind of get an idea from the comments. I'm sorry I couldn't provide more, but that picture above is pretty wank.
http://getoffegl.livejournal.com/62874.html

There is also the part where the posted to egl wearing a kstar petti as a skirt and freaking out at anyone who said it was not a skirt.

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>>6821387
dropped my pic.

>>6821465
Haha oh, wow. And this chick is still in lolita? That's actually pretty surprising.

>>6821596
I don't think so. I checked out her tumblr and didn't see her in lolita. I think she got a bad reception from egl and gave up.

>>6821599
good. her coords were fucking awful and she didn't know how to take concrit.

Mallory Maloney here, this be my trip. Ugh ugh ugh I'm sorry for being such a terrible piece of shit back then, guiiiiise. I was going through some pretty rough parental/body image/general angsty tween issues at the time, so 'dressing up' and 'acting out' on the Intarbuttz was my way of dealing with shit ... Like pretty much every other kid. Okay, maybe slightly more annoying, but yeah.

It was about a million years ago, but nonetheless, I apologise.

I also apologise for my embarrassing friends and their racist/homophobic 'insults' in an extremely poor attempt to try and back me up. Or whatever it was they thought they were doing. Honestly, I strongly suspect they were purposely trying to make me look even worse for their own personal lulz, but that's another story.

So yeah, I apologise once again for acting like a total wee bratty child --- And nope, I haven't done lolita since whenever this all went down, haha. I lost interest after shit started to go down, and by the time I no longer gave a fuck about the whole thing, I realised that 'doing it right' was wayyyyy out of my price range ... And still is, heh. One day I'd like to try and put together a decent coord, though!

So yeah, let's all be friends okay gosh

>>6821616
Someone ask on her tumblr!

>>6821632

apology accepted, we all cool now.
I bet a plenty of seagulls were terrible itas too, just less visible to comms

>>6821639
Fuck yeah, thanks Anon. And yeah, posting myself to EGL was one of my more moronic ideas, aside from my coords themselves.

lol fucking hot topic dress~

>>6821638
Or you could ask me right here! What is it you wanted to know, exactly ...?

>>6821645
Oh oh oh and since this is a major fave from all the drama: Yeah, yes, the 'skirt' from my second 'coord' was actually a petticoat. I'm pretty sure, if I remember correctly, that I just didn't know what a petticoat even WAS at the time, so I denied it. I think I thought I was wearing a lacy tutu or something? IDEK.

lel.

By the time I figured out a 'petticoat' was, it was too late to admit defeat, so I just kept up the NOPE NOPE NOPE IT'S TOTES A SKIRT charade.

fucking cringeee

>>6821656

omg thats hilarious
its nice to be able to look back at dumb shit you did and laugh about it, having a sense of humor about it is probably one of the best things you can do

>>6821632
You trip here. Now I can block your posts.

You were a horrible bully to me years ago, and your fucking friends were goddamn hounds. Fuck you. You say you were a kid but you were a damn adult. I was barely a teenager.

I can't believe I actually cried over shit you said to me. But there it is. Everyone have parent and body issues. That doesn't mean they attack people all over the internet.

Anons can forgive you, but they don't remember you. I do. You act like you were just the center of the drama, but you caused drama every place you went and YOU were you bully, not your friends YOU, so stop deflecting. I remember every cruel word you typed in my direction that I immaturely took straight to heart.

Fuck you. Fuck you. I hope Billie Joe Armstrong dies.

>>6821991
C'mon, everybody hopes Billie Joe Armstrong dies since 21th Century Breakdown.

>>6821991
Damn anon. What did she do to you?

>>6821997
Yeah, I imagine his wife is thinking of ways to poison him since he cheated on her and wrote a whole album about it.

>>6818702 omg! please be someone out there that has a password pls pls! find this thread and give us access to all that dramu!

>>6810279
Is this JSK really considered old school? Looks pretty much like AP's usual unprinted stuff, like the ones that they still release.

>>6822087
it's only because of the dresses age.

>>6822089
I thought it was something recent from an indie Korean brand?

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>>6822007
Basically, her and her gang of cronies bullied the shit out of me because I dared say something against her in some forum, and they assumed I was one of her "enemies" when I didn't even know who she was, really. They found my email, even found me in other forums. I was told I was fat, ugly, gross, and to go kill myself. That's only the tip of the iceberg. I was 13-14(?) at the time. Her website listed her as in her 20s, unless she was lying about that, which wouldn't surprise me.

It just pisses me off that she is playing this off as "tee hee, young angsty me did some stupid things, whoops, sorry let's be friends! I had body issues at the time, feel bad for me!" In reality, she was a vicious, vicious cunt and deserved every reaming anyone ever delivered to her over the internet, because she certainly knew how to dish them out herself.

It must be really easy for her to look back on that time and laugh, but that harassment came at a point in my life when some really fucked up shit was happening with my family. Maybe if I hadn't been in such a bad place at the time I wouldn't be quite so resentful, but as it stands, fuck you, Mallory Maloney.

Sage for years old butthurt being freshly reheated.

>>6822138
That is a severe case of vendetta you're holding onto, anon.

>>6822149
I don't deny it. Maybe you would too if when you were a vulnerable teen with a mother losing a battle to cancer, some bitch and her friends were telling you to kill yourself.

>>6822157
Forgot my sage, damn.

>>6822149
Uhh isn't being told to kill yourself and being internet-stalked a decent reason for a vendetta? C'mon now.

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Jesus Christ Superstar, let's get some more old school shit here.

Found this treasure in Avant Gauche. I can't believe that this website still exists. Too bad that some of the images are broken.

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Man, you'd think that this is a Milanoo piece, but it was an ita attempt to what is now considered old school sweet. I can't believe that this was published.

>>6822264
>Avant Gauche
To think I had forgotten.

I have a shit ton of old school street snaps but I can't post them all right now.

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>mirin dem sleeves

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I have the urge to make an old school outfit with bloomers peaking out from under the hem.

>>6822343
I remember when that was a totally acceptable thing to do. Tall lolitas were encouraged to wear long bloomers! Now it's considered grossly out of fashion.

>>6821096
hey, if you are looking for that exact jsk it's up on tokyo alice right now in black.

what a coincidence, i just saw it. only 7,800 yen too!

>>6822343
I really like this design, but not the pattern/color.

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>>6822343
>that arm
AAAAAAAAAAA

>>6821991
Oh, wow, Anon ... I dropped my trip because I think it's important you read this: I'm really fucking sorry. Like, really fucking sorry, man. You sound exactly like how I felt way back then.

I'm honestly trying desperately to remember who you are, but the Internet was my entire life back then --- I did nothing else, literally, being a homeschooled loner whose parents rarely let her out of the house, I had all the time in the world --- And I've been a member of so many forums and LJ comms and social media sites and more forums and just EVERYTHING online based since then that I'm ashamed to admit I don't remember. Not exactly.

Was it AsiaJam? I think it might have been AJ ... I dunno ... GDC? Are you Maddy from GDC? Gosh. IDK. Please eMail me and let's talk about this, Anon. Maybe I can explain myself? Or at least properly apologise to you? Please, I'm kinda begging you. I feel pretty Goddamn horrible, especially since I can't properly remember. Especially since I never once thought anyone was actually affected by anything I said online in defense or otherwise. I didn't think anyone gave a fuck and thought everything I typed was laughable and pathetic, since that's how I felt about myself.

just, wow, I can't believe this. Please contact me, okay?

mallorymaloney@hotmail.com

>>6822449
>>6822157
>>6821991
>>6822138
Maybe House Of Jigsaw? There was a LOT of bullshit I was involved in on that forum, heh ...

PS: My mum died from cancer recently, as well. Maybe we have more in common than you think ... Maybe we can bond over that? Gosh, please reply, I feel terrible for you.

>>6822449
You did that shit to so many people you can't even remember them all? Damn girl...damn.

>>6822449
>can't even remember
How many people did you tell to kill themselves? Gosh.

>>6821991
>>6822138
>>6822157
I'm capping ALL of this.

>>6810284
/cgl/ isn't only lolita. They may just recently be going into the lolita related threads.

Shut up.

>>6822556
>implying you weren't edgy back then, spewing death threats at every person you meet without batting an eye because HORMONES
>implying people remember every incident, unless it was hilarious

You're too naïve.

>>6822449
>>6822493
First off, thank you for the apology. I do mean that sincerely.

>You sound exactly like how I felt way back then.
You have no fucking clue how I felt then, don't patronize me by projecting your own shit.

>I did nothing else, literally, being a homeschooled loner whose parents rarely let her out of the house, I had all the time in the world
I can't tell if this is supposed to be an explanation for why you harassed me online or for why you harassed so many people you can't keep track.

>Please eMail me and let's talk about this, Anon.
No. I have no interest in rehashing a really painful time in my life any more than I already have, just so you can feel better.

> Especially since I never once thought anyone was actually affected by anything I said online in defense or otherwise. I didn't think anyone gave a fuck and thought everything I typed was laughable and pathetic, since that's how I felt about myself.
Fuck everything about this. Do you not realize how shitty that is?

>Maybe we can bond over that?
I have no wish to bond with you in any manner.

>Gosh, please reply, I feel terrible for you.
No, I feel terrible for you. At least I don't have to look back on my time online and live with the fact that I harassed and abused vulnerable teens. At least I didn't constantly pretend to be the victim while victimizing others. How funny, to go around thinking everyone is a jerk and then to realize the life-ruining jerk is you. Don't feel badly for me, I'll be fine.

Have a nice time trying to sleep tonight, bitch.

>>6822578
Different anon, but I have seriously never done that. Is this common?!

>>6822578
no sorry most people don't do shitty things like that to people.
just because you go on 4chan and /cgl/ doesn't mean you get to be a bitch because you are so edgy and LULZ TROLL

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...ummm how about some more old school?

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>>6822675

Ditto.
Or even better, how about Misako in a lace monster?

>>6821632
>>6821645
Weren't you the one in the Anime North thread talking about how the lolitas were bitches?

>>6822708
#teambodyline txt it

>>6822710
Oh god this just keeps getting better and better.

I wonder if she'll ever post under that trip again.

>>6822708
I have a soft spot for lace monsters,I'd never wear one but I just love that particular oldschool look. Same as maxipad headdresses, I wish I could get away with them

>>6822449
I was thinking that that anon was lying to stir shit, but the way you responded...wow. I really hope you've learned your lesson about treating people poorly.

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>>6822585
>Have a nice time trying to sleep tonight, bitch.

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>>6822585

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>>6822585
>teens

You live in the rank sweat of an enseamed bed,
Stew'd in corruption, honeying and making love ove the nasty sty!