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The next 4chan Q&A/PMQ will be held on /q/ at 8:00PM ET on Sunday, May 12th.

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>http://flyingcatnall.tumblr.com/post/49946580563/please-dont-make-fandom-look-bad

Discuss.

Also general con etiquette thread.
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I highly doubt hotels would ban homestuck cosplayers, let alone even know what homestuck is enough to discern the difference.
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>>6831655
I'm guessing they'll just kick out anyone with grey paint, but still, that's a really hard rule to enforce.

Maybe they're hoping Homefucks are too stupid to think this out and therefore will be scared to cosplay that at a con?
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Maybe they should just ban bodypaint.

I hosted a party once in which someone decided to leave white furniture smeared with her bodypaint. She apologized, but how the fuck do you not know not to sit on white furniture when you're covered head to toe in grease paint? How do you let that happen?
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Eurofag there. Are Homestucks that annoying during cons? We don't have that many of them here (too long and english for teens to understand it) so our cons are somehow safe from all the greyness.
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I room with homestucks and they always bring cleaner and drop cloths so they don't get grey everywhere, it's really an issue of personal awareness (dont touch things/people when greyed up, seal it, etc) and learning not to be a douchebag (clean up after yourself when you do make a mess)

banning homestuck cosplay isn't the answer because there are people who are responsible about it, it would be better to just ban troublemakers
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>>6831664
I think the mass numbers of homestuck cosplayers is what makes them kinda easy to dislike. They make huge ass groups and sit or stand in areas they should not be sitting/standing in blocking traffic.

I'm sure there's idiots among every group of con goers.
And trashing the hotel has become so common place I'm surprised half these cons aren't forced to move after x number of years of destruction.
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>>6831664
Yeah it is pretty ridiculously popular with certain crowds in the US.

>>6831666
I know some amazing and great homestuck cosplayers as well but even they are hating the fandom and how the fandom gives them such a bad name being associated with it.

>>6831662
I know of some hotels in the southeast considering just that.
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>>6831655
>>6831660
The post says that the hotel would request that the con bans Homestucks, not that the hotel would do it themselves. The con heads would probably know what Homestuck is.
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>>6831686
oh yeah they are definitely in the same boat regarding fandom association and they've even started cutting back on their homestuck cosplays at cons lately because of that negative attention and the rumors of violent threats that happen and what not.
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I'm more concerned about the general rules than the homestuck shit.
Who the fuck has sex in the lobby or runs naked.
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Not a lot of things require body paint. All I can think of is Homestuck, Adventure Time, and some ambitious Pokemon cosplays. Kind of a double-edged sword; less bodypaint means less trouble, but also less experience with it in general. The trouble isn't the makeup or the fandom, it's the people who don't behave or do things properly.
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>>6831699
Some cosplayers seem to forget all kind of common sense when they are cosplaying.
I ran a bookstore booth at a con once, and shittons of cosplayers stopped, took some books or action figures as props when they posed, posed with con staff or booth staff, and all that without asking permission.
Because cons are places where looking odd is not a problem, some think that it is also fine to act completly odd, and thus end up being pure nuisances.
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>>6831701
Some characters from comics also require bodypaint
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>>6831664
no more than anything else. most of the fandoms with a reputation for being annoying are easily identifiable for people outside a fandom. grey kids with horns, kids in metal-plated headbands, kids with flags. so it's harder to remember which fluffy-skirted magical girl was running around screeching with a yaoi paddle, but if it was someone barefoot in a white longsleeved shirt and messy black hair, people are going to know it was some death note brat.
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>>6831713
Good point, my brain was in anime con mode instead of comic con mode. That's a contributing factor too. The younger a fandom is, the more likely they are to be piss stupid.
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>>6831701
Arms socks, leggings--morph-suits are a lot more reasonable to slapping body paint all over your skin.
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I think they should just make rules like if using body paint don't touch anything or something.
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>>6831779
They're always really shiny and look like shit when used to replace 'skin colour'
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>>6831779
Using it as a general term. Even if it's "just face paint," you get people who touch their face and get it everywhere.
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>>6831918
If you use tights, it's not shiny. I bet you were someone who washed off their paint in the hot tub.
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everyone should just use pax so this shit doesnt happen
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What happened to 5?
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>>6831855
I think it can all be summed up as, "Don't be a dumbass."
Solves every problem with conventions.
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>>6831855
Hilariously most masquerades have rules regarding body paint that it can't rub off in casual contact. Maybe it's time to start enforcing that con-wide.
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it's obvious this person has nothing to do with a hotel, they just have a grudge against Homestuck fans. You can't really blame them though.
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>>6831664
where are you from?
I've seen a couple of homestucks here but I really doubt that they've actually read it, I think that by the time they'll translate it hopefully the hype will have gone down so there won't be many who will cosplay it anymore.
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>>6832183
France. French teens are ridiculously bad with english so that saves us from some stuff...
And the fact is that at all the cons where I have ben, I have never sen a Homestuck cosplay.
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>>6832016
I use Ben nye for WoW costumes, but i did hear good things about Pax.
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>>6831918
Then they'd just have to either deal with it or cosplay something else. Besides, most cosplays that require bodypaint aren't even anime-con fare (with the possible exception of Pokémon gijinkas). I feel like it's fairer to ban bodypaint than to let idiots soil things to the point where venues stop allowing cons.
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>>6832197

I use PAX for my hamsteak and it's fucking fabulous. I recommend it to everyone (not on your face though, it wrinkles)
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>>6832228
Most of my cosplays where I need a different skintone, I can get away with just face/neck painting. So I gotta stick with Kryolan and Ben Nye.
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>>6832234

yeah if it's just your face and neck go with the classics. if you ever need bare arms or shoulders, though, PAX is well worth doing.
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That all sounds reasonable. What's to discuss? I would go as far as supporting the ban for body paints. People are assholes at cons, rather than cherry pick ban, it's way more effective to ban all of them.
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>>6832228
I'll try pax for my body then. Ben nye always for my face.
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>>6832265
that's kind of fucking bullshit. I like cosplaying WoW and i dont want HS ruining my fun.
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>punch the fuck out of some stupid homeshit for harassing me
>either be an hero or go to jail
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>>6832274
story or it didn't happen
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>>6832273
such is the life of sharing something with a few jackasses who ruin it for everyone
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Russia. Our kids rarely reads homestuck, but our cons filled with this gray bastards.

PS. Homestuck cosplayers is really kicks random people from stairs at your cons?
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>g. Sex in the lobby. while in cosplay.
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>>6832401
Honestly the photog one shocks me more. Is this what people were talking about in the creepy photog thread, about them being possessive and treating their models like girlfriends?
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>>6832375
Is there some sort of way to prove that your paint is sealed and won't get anywhere? I know nothing of bodypaint, but doing a similar check like they do with weapons would fix this, right? Or is even sealed bodypaint in danger of becoming a mess? I know the bath tub issue is unavoidable, but the only thing I can think of for that would be to toss on an extra charge if you really fucked up the room with paint or something, they do it if you break stuff so I don't see why not.
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>>6832438
a check would be the simplest followed by wristband.

heh. you're getting peacebonded for paint. you're officially on the level of "guns are scary"
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>>6832438
I've heard of homestck meets requiring people to brush painted body parts on a towel to prove it's sealed or they aren't allowed along with the meet.
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What is it about Homestuck that seems to attract autists, 13 year old otherkins and the mentally retarded in ways almost unheard of before?
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>>6832490

Because it isn't really about anything and the characters are all very basic archetypes without much personality. Like video game characters, they have lists of personality traits but aren't really developed as fully realized characters. Thus, people can project whatever crazy bullshit that's in their head onto the work.

Pretty much everyone who has tried to get me to read Homestuck has raved about the incredibly deep meaningful storylines and characters and plot, yet whenever I read it, I found it incredibly boring and bland. (But unlike most of my friends, I read and enjoy actual literature and don't spend 24/7 reading nothing but fanfic and manga...)

tl;dr: Homestuck is a tabula rasa that nerdlingers can project their inner world onto, so it becomes precious to them due to their headcanon.
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>>6832517
You descrived it perfeclty.
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>Running through a wedding reception shouting "HETALIA"

thunderous jimmie rustling
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>>6832125
This, SEAL IT OR GTFO should be a rule
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>>6832517
I've heard the same things about Homestuck, about it being 2deep4u and all that, but now that I think about it...
All I ever see is people gushing over one detail extensively (ex. something to do with an arm, A killed B) or slapstick character-interaction.

You make a grand point, Anon.
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>>6832629
This made me laugh.

It is surprising though how much people completely forget themselves at cons. I understand it's a place to let your inner weirdo out, but there should still be some level of self-restraint.
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>>6832517
This. It's like Sonic, only worse because loltumblr. Not that tumblr isn't fine on its own, but it's got its more-than-fair share of stupid shit wrapped up in a hugbox.

Slightly tangent, but I'm annoyed there's a HSG on not only /co/, but /cgl/ and [there at least used to be one on] /soc/. I mean, what is there to even discuss? The /co/ thread itself looks like just a fucking circle jerk with "twwo kawwaii 4u" art attached.
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>>6832517
Well, Homestuck sometimes makes a clever use of clichés and the like, has some value as a parody (especially in the beginning), but the fandom makes a huge fuss about the sentimenal stuff, the characters... Both are probably the weakest points of the serie.
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>>6832654

/cgl/'s HSG started because we were infecting all the other threads with our cancer and seagulls were pissed about it. now it's all contained and everybody's still pissed. we could come back into help/progress/con specific threads if the general is such a problem.

>>6832490

canonically bisexual single-personality trait male characters and omg-so-randum humor, along with a plot nonsensical enough that it's socially acceptable to admit to not understanding it / not reading it.
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Every time I think of a Homestucker removing their body paint I think of the coal mine scene from Zoolander. So many cotton balls...
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>>6831648 (OP)
quit being stupid shits
well shit it's not that hard.
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>>6832848
nonsensical if you're an idiot maybe.

its just LOL INTENTIONALLY ANNOYING TO UNDERSTAND TIME BULLSHIT for the most part.

or at least was until i got fed up with it and dropped
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>>6832648
Yeah, really.

I was about to ask why Hetalia fans are as batshit as Homestucks, but I think it's like what >>6832517 said. I'm a Hetafag myself, and some characters do have some interesting depth, but the lack of general plot causes fans to gloss over it, as well as history, anyway.
Twilight was like this as well, with the whole bland-Bella thing...

So teenagers shouldn't be allowed to use their imagination when it comes to developing characters. Surprise, surprise...
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>>6832980
Pretty much nailed it
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>>6832517
i had never heard the phrase headcanon before but it is great.

i agree with most of this thread, teenagers love generic shit to imprint their own deviances onto. that's why 2hu is so popular...
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>>6833025
headcanon is sadly the reasons i hate 99% of the Supernatural fans. All of these bitches who got into SN at season 5 or 6 and are like "KYAAA, DEAN AND CASTIEL ARE SO KAWAII. "
I want to murder them.
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I'm totally fine with this. A few homestuck cosplays chased me at a con this summer. I don't get it. I was standing near some stairs, waiting for my friends to wake up. I see a few walking towards me, so I walk to the side, thinking I was in their way. I go back to standing around, working on my phone. And I feel someone standing right behind me. I turn slightly, and they're looking right at me. So, I move out of their way, thinking that's what they wanted. They follow me. I start walking towards the door, and I can see them walking behind me. I get out of the hotel, and they're still following me, so I start running. It ended with me hiding in a bush for a while, waiting till I couldn't hear them (one guy had a horn, and kept honking it. Why?). Didn't see them for the rest of the con, so I dunno what happened.
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>>6833053
oh god that is terrifying
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>>6833053
Why didn't you threaten to call the cops? Fuck calling security. Cops.
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>>6833053
The ghost of the homestucks are comming.
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>>6832243
I've used Ben Nye on my arms, and even though it stayed sealed all day (because I'm not a fucking idiot, and carried extra powder/seal just in case), I noticed that my friends who used PAX generally looked nicer and didn't have to be paranoid that it might maybe rub off.

So yeah, since my next planned cosplay requires paint for my torso I'm highly considering switching to PAX.
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>>6833053
why do so many HS cosplayers have no common fucking sense? that's terrifying
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>>6831699
I work at an indoor soccer field, we have people having sex in the hallway at least once a week. So I'm not surprised that congoers do it in the hotel lobbies
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My best friend and I go to cons and cosplay often. She works at a hotel, front desk, and she tells me all the time that she gets this from all walks of people. Sports have the rowdiest. Theres random public sex. Rooms trashed. 6 year olds running around knocking on doors at 2 am. Parents trying to smuggle kegs. But the worst are true weeaboos. I'm not talking anime enthusiasts. I'm talking screeching half japanese sentences and 'glomping' bullshit. The kind that scream kawaii and lick you because "neko!", to complete fucking strangers. I put alot of work into my armors and my anime list is very exclusive, but seeing this shit makes us both sick and embarrassed. I accept that other people enjoy it differently, but this pseudo-culture high school goth phase proud rejects that these teens seem to be stuck in is bad for everyone.
Realize its a hobby.
Be courtious.
Be respectful to security (they dont want to be there most of the time. Its like someone dumping you into a football stadium and saying "make sure no one drinks alcohol".). Clean your fucking rooms. Dosnt have to be spotless but pissing into the lampshade is the line.
Above all: Realize people arnt always interested in your hobby. Give people on the subway/bus/etc the same peace youd like if you were alone and surrounded by strangely dressed people.
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I told you people, anything short of airbrushed body paint WILL FUCKING RUB OFF.

GOD DAMN.
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>>6833248

PAX doesn't. it took me three days to get it off my back, after wearing a costume that rubbed at it for nine hours.
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>>6833259
>PAX
I highly suggest against it as an option due to how many people end up with an allergic reaction.

Also, its called makeup remover. It removes makeup. Look it up.
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>>6831648 (OP)
Con attendees just don't know how to act in public places period. The fad is Homestuck now, the grey paint is just an unfortunate addition to the maddness. Like with Hetalia it was people doing Nazi salutes and shit.

>>6832517
This is perfect. I've read most of the comic and this is the problem, the characters are very formulaic. Hussie devotes so much time to explaining what is happening in the plot of the comic, rather than developing the characters he has created.
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>>6833265
Makeup remover doesn't take off PAX.
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>>6833265
Just reading about it for the first time and wow, fixative mixed with acryllic paint? That sounds like a bad reaction just waiting to happen. I have pretty bad reactions to everything but aqua color though.
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>>6833291
I remember the drama of Hetalia cosplayers at war memorials. Magical times.
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>>6833296
uhhhh... YEAH. It will. You need a makeup remover that will strip the adhesive, like clown-clean. If it will remove spirit gum, it will remove PAX.

>>6833297
Think of anything you've had a bad reaction to. Multiply it by 5. Now clean it off with slighly watered down nail polish remover. Its as bad as it sounds.
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>>6833309
that's so beyond rude. wow
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>>6833312
http://www.clownsupplies.com/shopexd.asp?id=2179

This is Ben Nye Removeit-all. It will remove ANYTHING.

Don't try telling me what you can and cannot do with theatrical makeup. This is what I do for a living.
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>>6833314
My brain just shut off for a minute, because I must have misread that post... There is NO way anyone could have so little tact.
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>>6833316
>told: X
>not told:

Welcome back you skeezy fuck. How have you been?
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>>6833314
I wish I was joking.
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>>6833319
Seriously, right?

Btw, thanks for the ben nye remover it all tip. Definitely picking that up on my next trip to rickys nyc
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>>6833328
Drunk and punchy. I just did that thread in /b/ where you post your area code and meet up to scrap all fightclub style. Nice guy but he folded like a bad hand of cards. Unsatisfying.

>>6833337
You're welcome. Just remember, only a fool wouldn't order from clownsupplies.com!
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If I give a homestuck cosplayer in full paint xtc will they try to hug everyone?
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>>6833342
...wow.
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>>6833309

I meet the organizer behind the big Hetalia Nazi salute picture not long ago actually.

But yea, if Hetalia fags, Naruto fags, or whatever big giant fandom weren't banned for the crazy shit they did, Homesuck will not be banned. It's just hype that tumblr users create because they need to have a bone to chew on. On the plus side of this though maybe it will get more kids to seal their paint if they are bitched at enough.
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>>6834709
Hetalia and Naruto fans didn't really do much within the convention center, though (aside from the usual glomps and squeals that comes in every weaboo package).
Homestucks seem to find reasons to go after random con-goers and be about twice as much as of a nuisance, not to mention all the paint.
Other fandoms may have survived, but Homestucks are really pushing the limits.


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