I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't like the J/K-fashion amendments.
It's just an excuse for makeup/hair threads, which slippery-slopes us into a "Women General" board.
There doesn't need to be a board for every little thing, you know.

> current state of mediocrity we're experiencing

This is bullshit. You see the amazing cosplays that are being churned out thanks to improved techniques and new technology?

You guys are being way too cynical.

>>6614122 (OP)
>contests
No, this will breed circle jerking and general shit posting.

>spotlight to cosplayers who deserve it
again would just promote circle jerking, vendettas, and shit posting.

I like the other ideas. I think cgl is at its best in a few years, fewer drama posts (about non cosplayers/lolitas), fewer shitposts from tripfags and anon in general, and fewer troll baiting threads.

I think promoting positivity in progress, fabric, armor, help, and other helpful threads is what will help improve /cgl/ I even think a critique thread would have a positive impact as long as people give positive and critical feedback.

We should have something like the /ck/ Challenge >>>/ck/res/4218193. Someone make a logo, get it printed on a cup/clothing and make it the prize. It can be a j-fashion contest and one for cosplay, both can have some themes that the contestants have to follow.

It would be nice to see the people on /cgl/ doing something, instead of just looking at photos of other people.

Brutal honesty.

Problem with the drama back then was people just said shit to say shit. However if things get too nice around her then /cgl/ is just another coscom.

We can have compliment sandwich threads and positive threads. We SHOULD have them but we should also learn to respect people who are brutally honest and have substance witht their bite.

>>6614143
>Brutal honesty

I'm fine with that as long as you also add something constructive. Just saying "You helmet looks terrible because the paint you used is shit" is not good criticism. You should include what they can do to improve/fix the thing you point out is bad. "You helmet looks terrible because the paint you used is shit. Try this ______ brand of paint and sand your piece with high grit sandpaper to get a smoother finish." is better and doesn't leave the reader wondering what to do.

What we need is awareness. We can't get careless. You say:
>"What is this?"
My beloved, let's get down to business:

- Mental self defensive fitness;
- Bum Rush (the show).

You gotta go for what you know - make everybody see, in order to fight the powers that be.

>>6614157
wat

>How can we improve /cgl/?

Allow our beloved queen PT to return to us

>>6614150
That's why I said "with substance." Saying "your costume looks like ass" doesn't do anything but saying "Your fabric choices are poor because...." at least then someone has something to improve on.

You don't have to give good comments but if you choose to say bad ones then provide a reason why.

>>6614189
Confirmed for underage cancer. Get the fuck outta here cracker.

>>6614128
Shut the hell up, fuck

>>6614308
You're one of the ones who supported it, then?

Stop responding to trolls who say "Women are so ___" They know we are most women, and that makes us a gleaming target.
Stop discussing race in cosplay. We cannot do that civilly.
Ignore anyone who thinks cosplay is a stupid hobby. They wouldn't be here if not to troll.
Realize that this is not tumblr, and accept that racism and sexism will happen. Let it flow off you like water. Don't argue with it.

Basically, don't let threads get derailed, and don't respond to troll threads.

>>6614342
On the flip side if you see someone blatently self posting or saying bullshit, call them out on it

>>6614143
/cgl/ is becoming a tumblr hugbox. People don't want opinions, they want asspats. It's just like what happened to /ic/. 4chan is becoming a less and less useful resource.

>>6614335
It's related, and as you said "we don't need a board for every little thing" So we don't need to kick out make up j/k fashion threads.
A)It's related
B)/fa/ is male dominant who like fashion and looking good /cgl/ is female dominant board who likes to dress up and look good

So aside from the fact that there would be massive trolling, /fa/ doesn't really take female oriented threads, /cgl/ does so it makes sense to keep it here as long as it's not "lul wywt" and people are posting them in non j/k fashion/lolita/cosplay etc

A wig styling contest might be fun. There could be a thread dedicated to showcasing the winner's work as a prize.

>>6614131
True but they get no recognition because they don't self-promote and no one knows they exist.

The people who are famous right now are famous because they self-promoted, not because they're incredibly attractive and outstanding cosplayers. That's the mediocrity anon is talking about.

None of the current generation of famous cosplayers are particularly attractive like the last generation was. We've downgraded significantly in that respect. They're mediocre as fuck and it's boring. Ideally the spotlight should be on cosplayers who are a combination of both talent and beauty.

>>6614365
By "we don't need a board for every little thing", I meant, you don't need a board for every thing about your fucking life on 4Chan. You don't need a damn board to discuss makeup and making your hair look cute for your Tumblr followers. It's not completely relevant.
Crossplay-makeup and maybe help for a coord is relevant. Random everyday hairstyles is not.

>>6614407
It's relevant to lolita

this is also a lolita board.

>>6614417
/cgl/ is a board that encompasses these topics under it's umbrella:
- cosplay & crossplay
- sewing & prop-making
- craftsmanship tools/materials & tutorials
- lolita
- conventions & meetups
- j-fashion
- discussing related accessories such as wigs/circle lenses/prosthetics/makeup in context of the aforementioned topics

Let me know if I forgot something.

>>6614407
I agree. We had a thread on anti-aging for christ's sakes. It wasn't contouring or other age-defying make-up tips, it was Cosmo-level shit. 22-year-olds whining about lines that could easily be covered in cosplay. They weren't even trying to give it a relevant context.

>>6614442
dramu and e-stalking!

>>6614442
And part of lolita and cosplay is the hair/wigs and make up

I'm reposting my thread suggestions from the archived thread (the one that JNig got deleted for all her whiteknighting samefaggotry. Thx for that, little miss attention whore):

• ITT /cgl/ Masquerade - post photos of your best and most polished costume!
• ITT who will be the /cgl/ Wigmaster? Wig evolution! Post a side-by-side set of progress photos showing your styling process from the beginning to your finished masterpiece!
• ITT Real Life Cosplay Perfection - Let's find the best optical illusions! Find and post 100% unphotoshopped cosplay pictures from convention galleries

>• How can we improve /cgl/?
Bring back drama and bullying.

>• The erosion of quality in the cosplay community
Cons are more popular --> more cosplayers --> more crap cosplayers. It's not that the good to bad ratio has suffered, it's that there's more shit to laugh at, and a lot of the worst offenders put their stuff on Tumblr.

>>6614493
These are all good suggestions. Someone in the last thread mentioned mini competitions. That would bring some life back into the board.

>>6614417
A good portion of you ladies never use them for lolita, at least not what I've seen.
It's always those curly pigtail wigs, not your actual hair, even.

So no.

>>6614553
>implying it's common to self post
Most people post other people

I think the "have to shit on anyone getting more attention than me" drives a lot of people away

>>6614586
It's easy to shit on the people who get noticed for the wrong reasons like selfposting and wearing skimpy costumes for attention. It's a lot harder to shit on people who are getting attention for the right reasons like working really hard and making exceptional costumes.

>>6614586
You think wrong. /cgl/ lost a ton of posters after the drama threads were banned. And those threads are nothing but bitching about other people.

>>6614496
>Bring back drama and bullying.
but they are still here?

Two questions for you /cgl/:

1) What information would you like to see added to our board's sticky?

2) Would it be helpful if the rules were clearly posted in the sticky?

>>6614641
I actually like /cgl/ alot better now that the drama threads are gone.

>>6614645
me too, I don't see why anyone would want them back, if they want drama they should just stick to telenovelas

>>6614645
I agree. By the time they got banned they'd just devolved into shit talking, as opposed to being about actual drama with shit talking.

>>6614645
This. I've never seen this board so good. /cgl/ now has mainly on topic posts and threads. Well worth the slow down. Don't fuck this up!

>seagull idol
That's a terrible idea.
>erosion of the cosplay community
That's just dramatic. Nothing is wrong with the cosplay community. There have always been people who got fame for no reason. There are plenty of well known cosplayers who get their time in the limelight. Stop pissing and moaning.
It only seems like the cosplay community only seems bad when you come to /cgl/. There is no loss of the "golden age". You're just focusing on so much of the drama instead of having fun and enjoying your fucking hobby.

I liked when the drama actually told me who to keep away from. Some of the threads were crazy, but they really did teach me what to look for, and what to avoid when it comes to certain types of people. I'd probably have been scammed quite often if they weren't there.
The threads that were just, "Wow, look at PT!" and the various JNig threads, though? Fuck those.

>>6614817
This!

But I do miss Ashley threads.

>>6614667
>I've never seen this board so good. /cgl/ now has mainly on topic posts and threads. Well worth the slow down. Don't fuck this up!

amen. I think it's a huge improvement. thank you based moot. n-no homo.

>>6614817
There's still drama. The drama has just been re-distributed. It is now allocated within the various threads it's relevant to, rather than having it's own dedicated topics. i.e. - Homestuck drama in the Homestuck thread, lolita drama in the lolita threads.

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Since this is already a meta thread, I hope you won't mind this cluelessness: The fuck happened to all our tripfags? Did they disappear with the drama? I mean, I'm not complaining, but I'm a bit surprised.

>>6615047
alot of them got banned so now they post as anon.

>How can we improve /cgl/?
I think CGL was great when we were seen as the scary group of people who will bash anything that is posted. Yeah we had a lot of vendetta shit and miyu spam, but there was little tripfagging and little obvious self posting. If you asked for advice on something you were working on you got some harsh criticism - but it made for better costumes if you listened, and it was something that wasn't offered anywhere else! Coscom and other sites were only circle jerks, where negative comments weren't allowed.

> suggestions for new thread topics
I like a lot of our reoccuring threads, like the progress thread. I miss the power hour(?) workout threads, or do we still have them and I am just missing them?

> should we start having contests?
Depends how they are set up and run. I think it would be interesting, but I see it being dominated by circlejerking tripfags.

>The erosion of quality in the cosplay community
Don't think there is erosion. There are certainly more cosplayers than there used to be, but the quality is generally higher as everything is so much more available and for cheaper prices. There were no help blogs to tell you where to buy wigs when I first started.

>how can we give a spotlight to cosplayers who deserve one
Spotlighting is everywhere, especially with tumblogs. Those who deserve it likely already have their name out there. You can always start "favourite cosplayer" threads and hope people contribute those who are worth being spotlighted.

> trends that have led us out of the "golden age" of 2002-2008 and into the current state of mediocrity we're experiencing
Cons getting more popular in general, bringing in a lot of new people who don't want to accept the existing community and the existing community members becoming snobby because they have been in it for so long.

Also social media making it easy for anyone to accumulate a following, blowing up their egos.

>>6614281
No I'm not.

>>6615047

- Shitposters got banned
- The other circlejerkers realized it was more effective to communicate over Facebook and are now acting like a group of real friends
- The nice ones stayed but are hardly noticed

> how can we give a spotlight to cosplayers who deserve one?
You can't because it ultimately dissolves into shit posting, circle-jerking and catty behavior. The idea of cosplayers who "deserve" special/extra attention is entirely and purely subjective which means no matter what there isn't going to be any sort of common criterion where everyone will agree AND not shitpost or create drama. Focusing on any individual is a waste of time because it almost immediately stops being about their cosplay or egl habits and instead about their personal life.

>-quality of posts
Personally I think with the new rules, this has improved leaps and bounds

>suggestions for new thread topics
We need to find more cosplay related things to discuss. Without community drama the board has become slower than most. Honestly I really do think /cgl/ should expand to include western idol groups somehow. It doesn't fit into /jp/ because the board is 99% shitposting and it seems like most people here take some interest in western idols/idol groups.

>should we start having contests? i.e. - seagull cosplay idol, wig styling, etc
No because nothing good will come out of this

STOP REPLYING TO OBVIOUS TROLLS OR OFF-TOPIC SHIT
Stop posting to talk about yourself unless the thread calls for it. I saw this fucking constantly when there were threads dedicated to shitting all over people like PT. You would post some stupid shit looking for asspats and justification to make yourself feel better because you "aren't as bad as ____!" Fuck off, you guys, that shit is stupid.

I don't care if you're "bored", I don't care what shitty justification you have. Stop it. You don't feed a bacterial infection, you get rid of it properly.

Learn to take a joke. Learn that not everyone takes seriously the things that you do. Stop giving free attention to famous people if you don't think they deserve it, and people with a brain will do the same. Don't be upset when people enjoy things that you don't, and vice versa.

Contests could either potentially be really fun or end up in everyone shitting all over each other out of spite and jealousy. We are a predominantly female community, but I wish we didn't have to adhere to the stereotypes that come with that. I'm not saying we should all be the kind of person who is ~totally not like other girls~ but shit, grow up, guys.

>>6614553
I'm kind of getting the feeling you're just against the makeup/hair/general threads because they're usually very female-oriented. (so is lolita, but since cgl stands for cosplay gothic lolita, you can't complain about that)

And if you say there's always /fa/, chances are you've never actually stayed in /fa/ for any longer than 10 minutes.

Agree with other people about not feeding the trolls. Although I do think it's improving gradually, we are still way too easily trolled as a board.

"Seagull cosplay idol" sounds nightmarish. If you're that desperate to reinstate drama, just do it, don't dick around.

I don't know man. I think we're still kind of in the growing pains of figuring out how to have fun without dramu. Yes, the board is very productive nowadays, and the general quality of posts has improved. But it's a bit dull and serious, for a bunch of people talking about cartoon characters and frilly dresses.

>>6615308
And as far as I remember, the seagull koti idol shit didn't go as well as planned. I forget who they even selected, but there wasn't much of a success in that area.

Needless to say, it's going to just turn into a massive free for all with twenty people claiming to oversee this shit event.

>>6614250
THIS

>>6615290
Not that anon, but I hate the makeup and hair threads because they are off-topic. When they're given proper context (besides a mention in the OP), I couldn't care less, but if I'm going to be told I can't talk about drama involving cosplayers, but threads about BB cream are fine and dandy, I get a bit pissy. I understood why Dakota threads were banned, but the Ashley drama and the GTC threads were highly entertaining and involved cosplay discussion.

>>6615729
But makeup and bb creams are staples in jfashion, so they really are related to the board, even if only tangentially. I understand the whole not talking about any single cosplayer thing can be annoying, but 99.9% of the time they just end up being bashfests and bitching.

Now it sure is a hell lot more quiet, but at least it's... idk, productive?

Bring back drama
Drama is something that is the heart of all cosplay and lolita communities and I think it was ridiculous to have a complete blanket ban on all drama threads.

>hurghhh, no singling out the poor lulcows

THIS IS FUCKING 4CHAN
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

>>6615751
>hurghhh, no singling out the poor lulcows
>THIS IS FUCKING 4CHAN
>ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
seconding the everloving fuck out of this

>>6614122 (OP)
Legitimate question here, why is the cosplay community mediocre now compared to 2002-2008?

>>6615749
I'm sorry, but no, BB cream and anti-aging is NOT lolita related. If that's lolita and Jfashion related than Jrock dscussion is Jfashion related- and we've already been told it isn't and is not allowed.

The overabundance (I once counted at least *3* threads on page 1 alone) of /fit/ threads need to go too. Keep it to one thread if it must be here at all.

>>6615729
Those threads are entirely J-Fashion related and I'd even say cosplay related. Don't be dense. Makeup is important for all of these.

How the fuck is Ashley more related?

>>6615754
Personal opinion: It's not really "mediocre", it's just oversaturated; though it definitely seems to be more about who's popular and liked now than who looks good and has talent.

>>6615772
What the fuck kind of extrapolating are you on about

>>6615754
There are a few key factors. One of the main ones is that the people who were in the spotlight then were better/more attractive/more interesting than the ones in the spotlight now. Most of those people have retired or moved on to different things and the cosplay idols who've replaced them are simply not as dynamic. The people who stuck around like Yaya/PL/Adella have become boring and repetitive because they've tried to exceed their efame past it's natural lifespan.

>>6615775
Yes, but so is basic outfit coordination. Would a color theory thread be acceptable? I'm not saying that they aren't tangentially related, they are, but Ashley is related to cosplay. People who cosplay may have to interact with her, that was how the threads began, people in the community had dealt with her and discussed how she behaved in the community. I'm just pointing out a double-standard. As someone else said, this is 4chan, why do we have to play nice?

>>6615798
I don't really think it's a huge problem when it's one or two threads here and there, like you said when Ashley started out. When it turns into the every single day every minute of every hour that it became, that's when an issue arises.

>>6615798
The problem arises when people post threads specifically about Ashley. You can technically post about her and her drama as long as it's done within a makeup thread and not taken too far (like it was with PT). However, taking it too far also applies to the hypothetical makeup thread getting derailed by people gossiping about her - and subsequently becoming off topic. There must be a balance. This board has got to learn to self-moderate a bit if it wants to have it's drama fix.

The singling out rule applies to entire threads being made about a specific person as well as malicious behavior like doxing. Discussing an individual in general isn't against the rules as long as it's done within context of their activities relative to pre-existing on topic threads.

>>6615798
I actually don't mind singling people out, but cgl has a rep for taking things way too far.
Pointing and laughing? Great! Actually going through the person's personal information and spreading it around? That's kind of fucked up. Which is probably a big reason why drama threads were banned in the first place. It's kind of heavy-handed, but this is 4chan after all.