Because it usually turns out shit

>>6637051
As opposed to the stultified designs we get for female genderbents?

More girls cosplay than boys. There are tons of awesome male characters for guys to cosplay. Boys are less "special snowflake" than girls and don't need to do something super special and edgy.

>>6637070
As a male cosplayer: no.

Probably half, if not more, of male designs in anime are suits, plain clothes, and incredibly uninspired takes on the male school uniform. Girls have plenty of costumes that are fun and interesting that still involve entry level sewing. Most of the same for guys are even more readily available as closet cosplay.

When you do get to the great designs, a lot of them involve detailing or prop making that are pretty beyond the levels of a beginner, especially beginners who might feel self conscious learning to sew. A lot of guys out there don't even approach stuff like this because the idea of learning to sew is so much of a hurdle. Their mom didn't sit them down and teach them how to stitch a line, or they don't have any seamstress friends, or they suck at art and never picked up any drafting/sculpture skills. I know 4 or 5 girls with sewing machines, most of them got them as gifts/hand me downs. Parents don't think to just throw a sewing machine at their son.

Then ontop of that, a lot of communities don't really generate male genderbents. PSG and Madoka are the only ones with big followings I can even think of that do recently.

>>6637129
>Probably half, if not more, of male designs in anime are suits, plain clothes, and incredibly uninspired takes on the male school uniform.

However when adopting a female design to male one you now have the chance to wear a really flashy looking outfit that doesn't involve armor or props

>>6637195
I know and agree, but entry level aren't going to automatically go for that.

You've got to remember most people have confidence issues over just throwing themselves out there in a costume to be photographed to begin with. Most guys are going to want to start out cosplaying actual guys. Plus there's the disappointment in people not getting what they are. It's incredibly difficult to be recognizable and iconic.

>>6637195
I recently did a male genderbend, and this is one of the reasons I really enjoyed it. Thinking of doing another one in the near future actually.

>>6637147
Nice

>>6637070
This. The only part I have issues with is that there are an equal number of awesome female characters to cosplay, but they're mostly outside of mainstream stuff and anime that appeal mainly to female tastes. So your typical female anime fan that only knows about Naruto, Black Butler, Fruits Basket, etc. is only exposed to male characters.

>>6637286
You sure this is true when we have so many female only SOL series that are being released

>>6637036 (OP)
coz none of them look like dey have a peen m8

>>6637430
Girls are not the demographic for those shows, despite their content. Plus, I don't think my assumption is too far off when you had Lucky Star and Gurren Lagann airing at about the same time (2007, I believe), and you still see about a million Yokos per con versus maybe one or two LS cosplayers total.

>>6637430
>awesome female characters
>SOL series

Pick one.

because will male 63 u cannot show boobs nor ass not tight clothes

>>6637532
They can still show off their abs

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idk but im the best mor there is.

Because female cosplayers would see it as an incursion on their 'territory' and make a drama out of it because they are catty bitches.

It's just easier this way.

>>6637611
>Why can't we have nice things?
>Women.

That about sums it up.

Its interesting to see how in a series that has mostly a main cast that girls will gender bend a character (See Avengers or any other big series out there)

Meanwhile if the series is full of girls, men would simply not cosplay or go as a side character. An example of this would be how men chose to cosplay a Morning Rescue for Madoka rather than do Rule 63 outfits

>>6637619
It's cute when girls do it.

It's gay when guy's do it.

>>6637619
do you even toubros/kigurumis

>>6637129
As another male cosplayer: Yes to most of what you just said. Kind of no to the part about sewing machines..

Most everyone I know avoids doing r63 of female characters because most times, it's amounts to a lousy wig and some plain-clothes and a lot of people asking who you're supposed to be.

While male character designs can still be interesting and distinct as fuck, female designs are rather uniqe in the fact that they are dresses and skirts and contoured in a way that accentuates and flatters the figure.

You take out all of that and try to turn it into some pants, and it just doesn't work. The aesthetic is ruined and once more, you're left with closet cosplay that nearly no one recognizes.

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>>6637619
>rule 63 madoka cosplays

Guys, get on this.

>>6637702
>all dem stubby arms

>>6637698
If you know what you're doing, you can take a female character and design it for a guy. It's not all too hard, IMO. Iconic parts of costumes should always stay iconic when you transfer them to the opposite gender and as far as making a costume that contours and flatters your figure, do that too. It can work both ways IMO

>>6637705
This art is killing me inside...

>>6637147
This is why. They look like shit.

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>>6637702
They... they still look like girls

>>6637129
>>6637698
samefag prolly

anon's don't cosplay, they come here to hit on girls on the 'girl board'

>>6637635
This. Fuck 'equality' girls are simply naturally better at cosplaying.

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>>6637861
>girls are simply naturally better at cosplaying.

>>6637867
girls are more fun to look at.

guys, generally, aren't.

>>6637867
>madmale

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Korra

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Asami

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>>6637702

Most guys aren't really interested in going above and beyond (ie. designing your own rule-63, making the clothes, etc.).

There's plenty of designs that people would recognize (Madoka Magica, PSG, Black Rock Shooter-verse, K-On, etc.) but guys just simply don't want to do it.
It's either big great awesome super-skilled props and armour.... or closet cosplay. Or nothing at all.

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>>6637702
There you have it.

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Im planning on doing a rule63 on Boa Hancock for sure. Its only a matter if i do it before this AX. Shes one of my favorite characters in general. There's always little artwork for rules 63 on female characters and i could barely find a couple for boa hancock. I really like this design though and might go for something like this. I might just end up drawing something up on my own and going from there.

>>6637969
>>6637946
are these supposed to be supposedly good?

>>6637990
Explain

>>6637991
=they're bad

>>6637969
dat mami

>>6637036 (OP)
Brief and Socks?

>>6637944
micheal jaskson is that you?

>>6637986
I usually don't say shit like this, but that rule 63 Luffy is REALLY fucking cute.

they are perfect

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>>6638191
dropped picture

>>6637960
>It's either big great awesome super-skilled props and armour.... or closet cosplay. Or nothing at all.

You know that's bullshit as there are a shit ton of recognizable male designs that don't boil down to simple closet cosplay or armor.

Take the fighting game genre for example

>>6638205
What? Expand on this, please. Because, wearing a torn gi, a headband, then BAM Ryu! sounds like closet cosplay to me.

>>6638217
Look past Capcom man

Tekken (Raven, Miguel, Lee, Steve, King)
Guility Gear (Entire cast)
Blazblue (See Guilty Gear)
King of Fighters

If we still want to look at Street Fighter there are really iconic Bison, Yun, Yang, Gen, Cody Dudley, T Hawk, E Honda, Zangief just to name a few

Guys just want to wear closet cosplay that shows off their abs to get female attention. They don't care about the shows, they're just looking to get laid at a con.

>>6638193
So much shop it's not even funny anymore.

>>6638127
I think you may just have found out you're a pedo.

>>6638296
So they're the same as female cosplayers?

>>6638296
>Wannabe funny reverse troll.

>>6638348
No.

75% of male cosplayers are ugly / fat and cosplay because they like the show. 24.999% are good looking and cosplay just to get laid / attention / closet cosplayers. The rest overlaps with a little of both.

34.999% of female cosplayers are ugly / fat and cosplay because they like the show. 65% are good looking and cosplay just to get laid / attention / closet cosplayers. The rest overlaps with a little of both.

>>6638362
what if you like the series but it's closet cosplay?

What's the general opinion on rule 63 cosplaying anyway? Is it pretty much okay and acceptable it looks good? Any negative opinions, even about all of them females doing it?

I've not thought much about rule 63 cosplaying before but thinks it might entail fun.

>>6638370
'Closet cosplayers' in there (in context) refers to cosplayers who do easy cosplays just to go to raves / get laid. 'Closet cosplays' that are closet due to shitty character design (e.g. Homestuck) are not necessarily always in the aforementioned category, since certainly many of the cosplayers are deeply in love with the shitty show, and many of them are ugly.

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>>6638362
>34.999% of female cosplayers are ugly / fat
>65% are good looking
What conventions are you going to, and can I join?

>>6638390
this looks like if drake and josh from 7 years ago combined

>>6638372
Rule 63 is great as long as the outfits are well designed and honor the character. People have issue where people think that slapping on a bikini top or skirt automatically counts as gender bend cosplay

>>6638387
I used the term 'good looking' as in 'having guys trying to fuck her'. Obviously, a girl doesn't need to be objectively attractive to be 'good looking' for con goers.

>>6638391
omg yes.

>>6637960
>>6637698
These just sound like a list of excuses. Women are not naturally better at cosplaying and need to be taught how to sew, do makeup/wigs like anyone else.

>>6638511
Yes we are. Deal with it loser.

>>6637129
>Parents don't think to just throw a sewing machine at their son.
Doesn't mean you can't ask. I did.

>>6637195
But that involves a fair amount of design work that seems to be outside of even the capacity of the people who do the really flashy outfits for female characters. All cool dresses translate to the same suit, all skimpy outfits translate to no shirt, even the slightest hint of armor translates to full regalia.

And if a person does try to make the design interesting, they've got a huge fucking hurdle ahead of them considering there's very little in the way of inspiration they can take, and they probably have little if any experience at character design. So fuck it, I'm just gonna make the dresses.

>>6637853
Sometimes they do. (Well okay I usually post with a tripcode but still.)

>>6638284
>Steve
>not closet cosplay with patches sewn on
>Lee
>not fetish closet cosplay with a unicorn embroidered on
>King
>it's fucking King
>KoF
>not 80% closet cosplay

I'll give you Miguel and GG/BB, though.

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>>6638601
Closet cosplay usually means no sewing required. You admit yourself that the stuff needs to be emboridered meanwhile the base clothes for Lee and Steve I highly doubt you can have easy access to in your closet.

Also if you think that 80% of the designs are closet cosplay I think you haven't taken a good look at the roster

>>6638616
You can hardly call it a non-closet cosplay if you have to do one thing for one article of the clothing.

>>6638621
Define closet cosplay

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>>6638616
interesting and unique character design

>>6638593
It doesn't have to boil down to it's simpliest elements. Look at the male stocking in the OPs picture. There is more to the design than just "put stocking in a suit." First there's the hair style which was boyish along with adjusting the patterns on the pink highlights. Even the suit got snazzed up with pinstripes than basic black.

What I'm saying is that creativity still exists, if the dress has a crazy pattern then you can apply said pattern on the suit and make it run into the pants. Clothing can be layered a certain way or fitted to be baggy or form fitting. Look at male fashion, even though its usually jeans and button ups, look at all the variety of outfits that have stemed from it.

Also if you're gonna bitch about male character design then I'll say Jojo laughs in your face

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>>6638632
Two can play this game

>>6638636
jojo is the solution to all cosplaying stagnation

>>6638640
Until you have a sewing stash consisting entirely of vinyl and spandex, more makeup than a drag queen, and suddenly everything feels the same.

>>6638632
http://youtu.be/drY8dBqkkK0?t=1m10s

Here's more

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Fuck this thread.

Fuck you guys.

I'm just going to cosplay from Jojo from now on.

>>6638648
Right because Part 1/2 characters look the same as 4 or 8. All the protags are different and the side characters are crazy as fuck too.

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>>6638104
they're not that bad, some things could be modified but I've seen much worse,
the Kyobro and Manmi in the second pic are my favourites, Madoka is probably the most difficult to genderbend as he'll always look too feminine

This has been bothering me for a while. How would Boxer/Jockstrap/Banana Hammock/whatever get his underwear off for the transformation sequence. Could you really do the sensual stripping thing while zoolandering your undies out of your fly?

>>6638689
Yes.

>>6638373
I love most of this group, but wtf is going on with Batwoman's (or I guess it'd be.. femBatman since there is a Batwoman) head to body proportion.

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>>6638616
Duo lon and Shion are kinda impossible for most non-asian males to pull off though, they're too androgynous (another common hurdle for male cosplayers- too many androgynous/pretty men they can't pull off).

And I say this as a female.

Then on the other side of the hurdle for fighting game cosplays, for a lot of them you need to be /fit/ or you look terrible. Pic related, so many pasty whiteboy Sol's.

>>6638104
0/10

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Most guys in anime are androgynous, so a girl can rule 63 pretty easily.
On the other hand, in almost all cases, a rule 63 girl-to-guy will also be really androgynous, meaning that a girl is still better off cosplaying a genderbent version of a male character than a guy would.

Even a lot of athletic guys in anime with washboard 6-pack abs have really feminine, or prettyboy faces.
And even then, usually those guys are wearing school uniforms or something, meaning a girl can crossplay them without having to worry about what their body actually looks like.

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>>6638718
Fighting games have great diversity and its true many of them do require abs to cosplay there are still some that you can get away with not being super /fit/ or Asian

>>6637946
anyone know who this madoka is???

>>6638831
True enough, as I've seen many good Fausts done by the kind of typical skinnyfat lanky guys you see at cons. But that's exactly why Faust gets a lot of cosplay, proportionally good cosplay, compared to others.

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selfposting

Tohou is such an interesting case is that the majority of guys do crossplay over doing rule 63

>>6638862
To be fair that's because in Touhou it's basically a case of male fans cosplaying for other male fans and not doing the costumes as a serious representation of the characters.

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I really think that Skullgirls has a lot of Rule 63 potential

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There are tons of male characters that have great designs and are also flattering and filled with flair. People just need to stop being ignorant to their existences where it becomes borderline foolish.

>>6638217
Let me introduce you to Donovan

>>6638878
There are some that exist and I want more! Especially Rule 63 Filia with a pompadour. I want some Skullguys to hang with...

>>6638871
>male fans cosplaying for other male fans
What exactly do you mean by that? I cosplay Touhou for myself to have fun, not for anyone else, especially not anyone else in particular.

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>>6638942
>Rule 63 Filia with a pompadour
Oh god Bancho Filia sounds amazing.

Others I can think of

>Classy doctor Valentine
>Gentlemen fencer Parasol or you can go with a British Secret Agent route
>Wei Yan Pinweel.

>>6638878
I knew Skullgirls was a dead game before it was even released.

It's not even the fact that all the characters are female, but it's just the completely wtf / unrelatable drawing style.

I'm a girl and does anyone else see all the bitching coming from the females in here
saying that they are better

half of the girls who cosplay are complete whales and are ugly as fuck

Half the guys who cosplay are ugly as fuck and are neck beards

Also girls your not better at cosplaying
cool you have tits
I like seeing guys cosplay more
I think its adorable and if you hate guys who cosplay
Lesbihonest

>>6638967
Since when does a game have to be relateable to be successful? I can't really relate to a being of evil and hunger spawned from the malevolent energies of a demonic sword, but that doesn't mean Soul Calibur isn't awesome.

>>6638954
I struggled with how to word that, I don't think I was being very clear. I mean that they're playing to an in-joke, of sorts- rather than the point of their cosplay being portraying the design itself, and being faithful to portraying the character, they're dressing up to dress up and identify themselves as touhou fans. The guy in a dress touhou cosplays I can get because they're more or less a joke amongst fans, they're not trying to aim for the actual character, and that's fine.

(If however you're trying to tell me that your man in a dress tier cosplay with no effort whatsoever put into passing for female is serious in trying to portray the character, I'm going to have to break some news to you...)

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>>6638965
There's some awesome arts. And I'd love to draw rule 63 Filia. Just call him Filbert haha.

>>6638967
>Unrelatable drawing style.
So you don't like it... because it's different? Anon, you crazy.

>>6638967
That's because it's a fetish game and nothing else. The only people that take it seriously as a game are the circlejerkers in Mike Z's clique..

>>6638967
Yet it's being picked up for Evo and other large tournamnets

>>6638971
But SC has a very relateable art style actually (by being over the top cool etc).

Skullgirls just feels like they started drawing randomly, and didn't even know where to go with it, and when there was really no more BS to add to the character they called it a day. It's just a huge incoherent mess.

>>6638979
That and every single character in the game is a complete ripoff of another character from various other fighting games. There's no originality to it.

>>6638973
>(If however you're trying to tell me that your man in a dress tier cosplay with no effort whatsoever put into passing for female is serious in trying to portray the character, I'm going to have to break some news to you...)
Hey, don't jump to conclusions. I've gotten mistaken for a girl many times in my Touhou cosplays, and it's not like I don't put any effort into it.

Admittedly, much less often from the front, but that's because I have no idea how to do makeup, and no clue where to start with that. But other than that I think I do fairly well.

>>6638974
No, it's not about a different style, different can be very good - but just because they're doing something different doesn't mean it's automatically good.

They tried and failed. It has to happen sometimes.

>>6638979
That's not relatable.. that's a serious of adjectives. It's an art style that's from an original stand point.

>>6638983
Because fighting games don't do that? Ryo from art of fighting is a sheer clone of Ryu. Then Ryo got cloned into Dan Hibiki. Japanese style media and industry is about inspiration and homage to other sources. Plus lots of the skullgirls cast have moves that are pretty fucking unique.

>>6638984
>Admittedly, much less often from the front, but that's because I have no idea how to do makeup, and no clue where to start with that.
The front is what matters...
That's what cgl is for. There are regular crossdressing threads- read them, seriously, they DO help.

>But other than that I think I do fairly well.
Wouldn't know without a pic unless that selfpost above is you (my tips would be start making your eyes look bigger with false lashes and well-placed liner, and thin out your brows), but if you have to say 'I think', then.....

Because men aren't attention whores like women are.

>>6638862
Rule 63 is making a male equivalent of a female character's design.

Crossplay is people wearing costumes of characters who are the opposite gender.

Brohous are more crossplay than rule 63.

>>6639000
I'm.. pretty sure that's what they meant?

>>6638989
The main problem is that no matter how you want to call it, Skullgirls' characters have no chance on surviving more than a few years tops (within a cult following). There's just nothing memorable about any of them. The only one that stood out to me was Double and her design is a complete rip off.

A fighting game simply needs some outstanding characters (Scorpion, Faust, Dan Hibiki, Yoshimitsu... etc) to 'carry' it or it's doomed to be forgotten.

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>>6638994
Well, my face doesn't look very feminine at all, so if the face is the only thing that matters, then I don't do fairly well, no. But I have the body type for it, and it's not like I just do it for laughs.

>>6639000
What if it's arguably both? picrelated

>>6639002
You saying a Looney Toon inspired fighting game character is common place in fighting games?

>>6639004
Well it's not the only thing- for example one of my pet peeves is when male crossplayers don't shave their exposed legs and their 5 o clock shadows. Please, please shave if you're trying to legitimately pass. (Obviously from your pic, can't tell if you did heh).

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>>6639005
Characters that can pull various weird shit out of hammerspace isn't uncommon, no.

>>6639005
>Faust

Really, make this harder at least.

>>6639012
Faust isn't Looney Toon inspired. He has weird moves but he doesn't have Mickey mouse gloves, oversized revolvers, exploading cigars and other cartoon props

>>6639020
>he doesn't have ALL THESE SPECIFIC THINGS so it's totally different!

nice try

>>6639012
Uncommon not only. Faust and Peacock are two examples in how many fighting game characters made?

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>>6638967
>Skullgirls
>dead game

>>6639026
Fasut is a cartoonish character however Peacock is a full cartoon. I'll give you how faust has some cartoony elements like his wirlwind or dynamite plunger. But he was not designed to envoke the same Rodger Rabbit style imagry that Peacock has

>>6639027
Also a decent amount of Darkstalkers' style (Bulleta, reaction sprites such as from Victors' attacks, etc)

Honestly the entire game is basically Darkstalkers if Midnight Bliss was taken to maximum point with a tiny cast and a shit art style with specific character design elements and playstyles scooped from other games (notably ArcSys, since dustloop influence).

>>6638997
If that's the case then why do they cosplay?

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>>6639002
Blazblue as a whole is a near clone of Guilty Gear in designs and styles. Don't talk about game characters not being rip offs or standing out on their own.

Welcome to art. Everything is inspired by something. But it can still be original.

Also, swag wagon.

>>6639002
Blazblue as a whole is a near clone of Guilty Gear in designs and styles. Don't talk about game characters not being rip offs or standing out on their own.

Welcome to art. Everything is inspired by something. But it can still be original.

Also, swag wagon.

Is Blazblue as a whole a near clone of Guilty Gear in designs and styles?

>>6639087
...so Skullgirls is art because it's inspired by other games. But BlazBlue is shit cause it rips off GuiltyGear (>ripping off your own work). Mmkay.

The sad fact is that BlazBlue's character are still miles ahead in memorability compared to Skullgirls. Sorry, but a catgirl with a detachable head has not quite the same effect on the audience as Makoto's underboob. And Arakune may be the best character of his (stereo)type so far (+points for excellent voice acting on his part). The main characters of the series do come of as bland cookie-cutter angsty-teens/moeblobs but the 'main characters' (whoever that may be) of Skullgirls are so forgettable it's not even funny.

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>>6639081
I do it to meet new people, and to hang out / share a hobby with some friends.
I admit the attention is pretty nice, but it isn't the main reason I cosplay.

Though I do have to say, that there's a wider variety of characters to suit different types of girl's bodies.
In any one anime, there may be a couple different types of guys, but a plethora of girls ranging from loli to busty MILF, square body, or curvy, skin and bones, or a bit chubby.
For guys, it's usually:
A) Small body, thin, feminine face.
B) Average body, probably on the lean side, androgynous or feminine face.
C) Greek God bodybuilder status with muscles on muscles.

>>6639093
>>6639096
what are you doing m8

>>6639102
I'd say it's more of a improvement/decline depending on the character being replaced. Which is exactly what the creators intended to do (like, the producer said so, it's not a secret).

My guess is they created BB to start again with a clean sheet after GG became an increasingly incoherent mess. Just like BB is becoming an increasingly incoherent mess now, so I wouldn't be surprised if they came up with a 'new' IP again.

>>6639110
If the BB cast is generic then how do they come across as more memorable than the SG cast which does have a lot of uncommon character designs and traits (detachable head zombie catgirl, pro wrestling headpiece grappler etc)

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>mfw implying Blazblue isn't a pile of crap too compared to GuiltyGodtier

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>>6639096
That's weird.

>>6639102
Where have you been?

>>6639110
The point of the argument is that, just because a game is inspired by something doesn't mean it's bad. Blazblue is a huge homage to Guilty Gear in character designs and fight styles but people love it. So the point is, why can't a game be built that way and be enjoyed at the same time.

Now on the other end, of characters being memorable. I'd say a character who can detach her body parts as and use them in her attacks is pretty fucking cool. The instant I saw Ms. Fortune, I was maining her the instant the game came out. Same went for peacock. They have great aspects about them that are quite fun and entertaining. Skullgirls may not be as successful as Blazblue, but for those who know if, they won't be forgetting it anytime soon. At least IMO.

>>6639113
I have no idea what happened. I posted the wrong image and went back to post the right one. *shrug*

>>6639125
>"homeage"
>every character is a flat, fan-pandering rip of a character in guilty or a moe archetype

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>>6639130
Almost every fighting game character in existance is an rip off another character or archetype.

>>6639120
I said, the main cast is generic (those that get all the screen time in promo material / shit outside of the game).

Most of the cast actually stand out (Arakune, Tager, Rachel, Tao, Makoto, Carl, Relius, that butler guy I can't spell properly...).

>>6639122
Depends how you mean it. It may be crap in the mechanics department / devs being huge Jews with it or whatnot, but it certainly is a memorable series on its own.

Fighting games don't have to be original / extraordinarily good to stand out. There's not much originality you can throw in the genre. Pretty sure that gamers are perfectly fine with the same repetitive gameplay over and over again. What they need is good characters - characters that are able to win the customers' sympathies.

I'm fairly certain that's the most decisive point when it comes to choosing a fighting game for the majority of the player base.

Why else would we have trash like Smash Brothers Brawl/whatever it's called?

>>6639120
because "memorable" is subjective.
i fucking cant remember most of the BB cast because they are guilty gear expys and i prefer the originals.

>>6639137
CYBORG NAZI GUILE

Someone please cosplay this.

I think we're drifting away from the OP's question

>>6639146
Well it was answered already anyway.

>>6639148
Many questions are left hanging in the air though to counter the original points.

Though I agree that more Jojo can fix anything

>>6639144
I'm sure someone will cosplay stroheim now that the new JoJo is out and the episode he's in just aired.

>>6639137
There is a significant difference between being an homeage to a character from a different genre physically (Guile, Rose) and being wholesale lifted in concept from another character (Ragna, Valentine (she's Fanny, let's be real), Tager, Hazama... the list goes on in BB's case.)

>>6637702

Their fucking ARMS

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>>6637702
But they look exactly the same except taller.