>>6608152 (OP)
Well, it's only the first Japanese GOH Announcement, and AX tend to get a bunch as time goes on. So I'd say wait and see what happens.

That said, Fanime and AX are already in deep pressure when it comes to getting GOHs. As you said, Otakon got TM Revolution and Homemade Kazoku. Hell, AWA just announced that they got ZUN. That alone puts Fanime and AX behind.

Especially Fanime, since they haven't announced crap.

>>6608188
>ZUN

Every time I see that I think it is fake... And then it isn't fake and I feel like I should book my ass to Atlanta for that weekend.

>>6608188
Whatever happened to west coast con being best con?

holy shit AWA got ZUN?

Time to save me some money

>>6608188
The only relevant guest AX got last year was LiSA.

AX is going to bite in the bullet in the guest department if Japan Expo USA gets it their way.

Fanime just went full retard a couple years ago and haven't recovered at all.

>>6608240

Only SDCC, ALA, and Sakuracon are left. Everyone else went full retard on how they operate their cons.

>>6608152 (OP)
Maybe Japanese guests avoid AE because of what happened to AKB48. I heard they advertised shittily and didn't fill the concert venue.

Captcha: reasons nsaidre

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I still can't get over TM Revolution. I wish I had the cash to afford going to cons out of state because goddamn it, shit like that makes it totally worth it.

AX has been pretty lame these last couple years.

>>6608313
>AKB48

The only people that went to that concert were fans of AKB48. AX thought that anime fans also liked idol music, which was not the case at this point. Hence, the low turnout at their concert.

AKB48 is huge in Japan, and when news broke out of the failure from their concert, the popular members that came fled back home that night and the newer younger members stayed for their panel the next day and autograph sessions. It wasn't a pretty sight at all if you were an AKB48 fan that year.

But that turned around the following year when Miku and Kalafina came. I'm not sure why Japanese guests are still hesistant to come to AX.

>AX just got a screen writer

Just be glad their first Japanese guest announcement wasn't Danny Choo.

>>6608152 (OP)
Mari Okada's not good enough for you?

>>6608334
I'd love it if Miku came back.
I missed it last time.

>>6608286
>The only relevant guest AX got last year was LiSA.
So the following are not relevant:
Fiction Junction + Kajiura
Range Murata
Ei Aoki
Koyama Rikiya
Horikawa Ryo
Bunch of people from age

Clueless or tasteless? I can't tell.

>>6608334
Because they don't like dealing with the bureaucracy that is AX and the SPJA

>Otakon gets Home Made Kazoku

fuck life ._.

>>6608390
The thing about GOHs are that the interest level varies a lot. For instance, I was very excited for Ryo Horikawa and Rikiya Koyama but I wasn't as excited for Ei Aoki and buncha people from Age. It's really all in the person's preference.

Take Fanime last year for example. I didn't care for ANYONE on that GoH list maybe the exception for Kia Asamiya. I especially did not like the musical GoH, but I'm sure some schmuck out there enjoyed their performance.

So the interest level fluctuates a lot, and I don't think it makes anyone tasteless.

Unless they think Vic Mic is best VA GoH ever, in which case, both clueless and tasteless.

>>6608286
AX had a lot of more guests, I'm pretty sure.

But Japan Expo probably beats the shit out of a lot of West Coast cons. It's like SDCC and AX combined. I can't wait to see the US-version, and if it could ever reach its size. Otherwise I'll just save up for a trip to France.

>>6608579
Wasn't Fanime's musical artist Igaguri Chiba?

>Which is the vocalist of Sendai Kamotsu.
>Which is the alter ego band of Nightmare (extremely popular shit in Japan)
>Which is the band that did "the WORLD", theme of Death Note.

>uncultured swine

>>6608611
saying Igaguri Chiba and Nightmare are more or less the same is like saying Chris Gaines and Garth Brooks are more or less the same.

>>6608619
Yomi is still Yomi and I would pay to see him regardless.

Probably a shit ton more fun to meet them all as Sendai than as Nightmare.

AX historically leaves all their shit til like may/june so I'm not going to be concerned til then. Fanime I'm a little more worried for because last year was pretty meh (Kia Asamiya was cool) but til April still won't feel too bad about. Everyone says AX is going downhill but the last three years have had headliners (even if some, like AKB, didn't go over very well, they are still big in japan to some degree).

>>6608611
the nightmare part is completely irrelevant because they didn't have nightmare there. he was just doing the side joke act. i watched it because it was free but if i had to pay i would have been pretty disappointed.

>>6608604
i have big hopes for japan expo's american version. the french one probably gets all those people because well, it's the only game in town. let's not forget that america has a bunch of conventions, some big, some not, and that the guests are distributed amongst that. it's like if you took all the guests that go to the EU and spread it across the US instead.

>>6608684
it was a "what the fuck am i watching?" concert

>>6608697
I mentioned it because a lot of people there didn't actually realize WHO he is.

>>6608697
I have big hopes for Japan Expo USA as well. I won't be going to the first one, but if it's good (from word of mouth) I'll be sure to go to 2014. AX has left such a bad taste in my mouth after 2012 I don't want to give them another chance.

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>Animemazement

Best thing we've ever gotten was KOTOKO....
And Noiz if you even wanna count those guys.

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>>6608304
>ALA
>best con

>>6608723
ALA doesn't try to be any more than a party/social con and has several events that fascilitate that. AX used to be the gold standard for industry guests but that is no longer happening

>>6608697
>Everyone says AX is going downhill but the last three years have had headliners

This.

I mean AX was where Miku's first official US concert was

>>6609209
the problem is that it's all stuff that's more easier and more available to get. It just pisses me off that more people would rather go see Masa and his dick sucking brigade doing comedy than say get a notable Manga-Ka or person in the industry from Japan.

>>6609569
Why do you make it sound like its a choice? The events don't clash so its possible to attend both.

>>6609608
it isn't about choice, it's showing how unprofessional and how much they are catering to this generation of assholes that don't fucking deserve the spotlight. Before all this, they didn't have to do alot of this shit and they got all the Triple A guest of honor and experiences that only Anime Expo can offer. Now it's ALA on a bloated budget and a bigger location.

>>6609626
They give LCS the bigger room cause the event draws a huge crowd. Often thimes they're either filled to capacity and they even had to turn people away at times.

>and they got all the Triple A guest of honor and experiences that only Anime Expo can offer

Don't put them on a pedistal that high. It's not like people even rember their names after the show is over.

>>6608152 (OP)

Just be glad you're not going to ACen, dude. It's been nothing but shitty Visual Kei, shitty DJs, and Jonny Yong Bosch for years.

Well, and Nabeshin. Nabeshin's still great.

>Otakon gets Kazoku Home Made
Only heard one of their songs ever but this is going to be awesome

>>6609759

B-B-B-But you got Move a few years ago.

>>6608697
>Everyone says AX is going downhill but the last three years have had headliners

>2010
>AKB48, Macross Frontier, and Gurren Lagann
>2011
>Miku, Kalafina, High School of the Dead
>2012
>LiSA, Fiction Junction, old guys who used to play in dad rock bands who formed a Japanese version of KISS, Fate/Zero

Only one year had good headliners

>>6609759
>Jonny Yong Bosch

Man, that muthafucka's everywhere. That being said, I'm glad that I'm not going to ACen either (granted, I'm not the anon you're replying to)...now if Btssb were visiting, I'd change my mind.

I've noticed that even music festivals are doing similar things with their headlines. They seem to be choosing a few big names that dwarf the smaller, generally more talented, smaller acts which was what most festivals originally centered around. It's all a bidding war on who can bring in the most money. Same shit, different environment.

>>6609665
still inexcusable. I don't even think they even deserve to even have shit like this period, let alone a huge room. It's back to the whole issue in general of people going into business for themselves and putting themselves out there to make a name for themselves without shame without realizing the consequences that come from putting yourself over in that way.

The consequences is now people want to do more stupid shit instead of focusing on improving a con. Face it, this shit and the /cgl/ culture is the cancer thats killing cons and you want proof, look at all the guest the eastcoast is having compared to here, where no one's putting the effort into shit and going into business for themselves.

>>6610254
How does /cgl/ culture get involved with how West Coast anime cons are run? It's not like Fanime and SakuraCon have a influx of seagulls that can determine the programming, it's only AX because the majority of /cgl/'s tripfags that make the most noise is in the LA basin

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>mfw there are rumors swirling around that fans who wanted to host a panel at AX, will now be charged $300 for each panel.

>>6610254
>ok at all the guest the eastcoast is having compared to here

SDCC shits on all the guests the East coast gets.

Also, LCS started off in a small room and moved to larger and larger rooms thanks to demand. I don't think /cgl/ is responsible for that

>>6610266

This.

You have two options that night, either suffer through shit at the Masquerade or get a few laughs at LCS. Obvious answer is obvious

>>6610254
Right because guests are the ONLY deciding factor in a con's quality. Not attendance numbers, signature events and good venues.

Oh yeah before you bitch out Sac Anime Winter had Kevin Conroy and the Japanese VA for Piccolo so the West Coast is doing just fine

>>6610163
Wasn't the Shoko-tan/Gurren Lagann concert in 2008 not 2010?

>>6610265
Very unlikely. That'll piss off way too many people, even some industry people.

>>6610266
yeah, but it still goes back to my argument before of "people trying to get themselves over for exposure".

>>6610272
and who's responsible for that? the cool kids crowd we worship the ground on. Too many fan driven events, especially the stuff people from here run, should be cut down, more professional panels should be made and start getting more world premieres and more exclusive industry news panels. AX and other big cons NEED to shift into this SDCC style of con, again, not be an ALA with a bloaded budget.

>>6610310
>and who's responsible for that?

You mean who's responsible for getting awesome guests like Kevin Conroy and Japanese Piccolo? That's the same con chairs you're bitching out.

>AX and other big cons NEED to shift into this SDCC style of con, again, not be an ALA with a bloaded budget.

SDCC you mean the super hard to get in con that you need to buy a badge a year in advance or else your screwed? The con that's in the triple digits for badge prices? THE premier line con?

Have you noticed that people are now passing up SDCC for Wondercon and Dragoncon. Both cons are putting a larger emphasis on fans and less on industry and guess what, they're ranking in the dough because of it.

Yeah sure, why bust my ass to go to a con when all that "exclusive" footage and news is just gonna hit the internet minutes after?

>>6610334
first off, i'm not blaming the Con Chairs, they bust their ass for shit, I understand. What I am shitting on are the people that allow people to have 15 minutes of fame.

as far as your other argument goes, I agree, but what would you do to get this big con feel back to conventions in the west coast? All I'm asking is to bring back the convention we had back in the early 2000s, and don't say "those cons are dead" because the east coast seems to be still doing that same structure of cons and they seemed to be doing something right getting bigger known guest.

SPJA is shitting on Anime Conji now that they own it. I don't even really pay attention to guests, unless it's someone I really care about, but the first announced guest of honor is some AMERICAN ARTIST. like, who the fuck are you? what does this guy have anything to do with Anime?

>>6610294

From what I'm hearing, it's only fan panels that they are looking to charge. Industry and guest panels would be exempt.

>>6610349
Conji is a mess and a half at this point that they need to do something quick to fix it. It's ALA w/o any of the L.A. trips messing it up and more mexicans.

>>6610356
>ALA w/o any of the L.A. trips

Where were you the last 2 years?

>>6610347
>big con feel back to conventions in the west coast
We already HAVE that

Wondercon
PAX
CAX
E3
SDCC
Sakuracon

>TM Revilution at Otakon
>Would cost retarded amounts to fly there and room there at this point as Im already set up for other cons

Otakon next year, I swear to god if Fanime and AX let me down guest wise, I do Otakon.

>Kazoku Home Made

it's Home Made Kazoku you casuals. Jesus, no wonder /a/ thinks we don't watch anime.

>>6610349
Tell me about it. The company is seeing about the possibility of having a booth at Conji this year and we can't get a hold of anybody since they switched over to the SPJA.

>>6610367

*Revolution

So angry about that correction I fucked up my own post.

>>6610365

>wondercon
i'll give you that one
>PAX
this too
>>CAX
who?
>E3
Industry show. doesn't count. Try again
>SDCC
yeah, fine, i'll allow it
>Sakuracon
I haven't heard shit from them. Period. I think they are in that same state of flux AX is where it was big at one point, but now it's just there.

and here's the problem again: You could put AX on that list easily, but for whatever reason, nether my own reasons that I've been telling or not, it's not working. It's like what happening with SakuraCon: When was it big? I never heard shit from them in the last 10 years, hell, I didn't even know they where still running the con. Tells you how "big" that con was.

again, im not asking for examples, I want to know how ANYONE can fix it. I gave my exaples: cut the people asking for 15 minutes of fame unless it's sponsored by a company like Bang Zoom! Entertainment's Voice Actor contest.

>>6610163
Basically they were headliners but none that you liked. They're still headliners.

Shit. I wanna see TMR. I hope this 10 year since he was at Otakon means he'll be at PMX next year.

>>6610268
the Masquerade was 10x better when I was drunk and got in free. That's the only thing that made it good, actually. If sober I'd pick LCS over the Masquerade but ultimately both are not required views.

>>6610334
they pick other cons over SDCC because they can't get in, heh. There's too many "normal" people going because it's gotten hyped to the point where it is a self-sellout every year.

>>6608390
diff anon Idg a shit about any of these people tbh

>>6610289
yeah it was def not 2010, I was there that year

>>6610207

Given that last year ACen's masquerade got canceled due to a fire alarm while Vic Monogoya and Shitty Visual Kei ran hours overlong and they've moved the biggest fan-built events (Anime Hell, etc) into smaller venues so they can put more resources towards another fucking rave, I wouldn't be surprised if all we have is DJs next year. We don't even have any AMVs.

The head of programming is on the forums right now, earnestly arguing that it's okay we're focusing on expensive headliners and dances because panel content is more relevant (ie, we only have two homestuck panels this year). ACen has lost its way.

>>6610744
>The head of programming is on the forums right now, earnestly arguing that it's okay we're focusing on expensive headliners and dances because panel content

So the head is saying it's ok that the con is focusing on big name guests and huge dances over panels? How is that a bad thing?

>>6610385
>>CAX
>who?

Short for California Extreme. Big classic/arcade convention where they take a bunch of old (I'm talking ancient) arcade games a pinball tables (shit from the 1950s) fill up a huge hotel conference room with them and just set them all to free play the entire weekend. Several world pinball tournaments take place there and the con gets notable game developers and celebrities like Walter Day to show up and have panels/tutorials

>>6610841
>huge dances over panels
>How is that a bad thing?

Did you even read what you wrote or are you one of the ravers shitting up the con

>>6610841

Because she's moving shit like Anime Hell, which fills Main every year and has existed since the beginning of the con, to a smaller room so they can have two raves instead of just one.

Because they canceled the Masquerade midway through last year so they could prep for the rave, the rave that could've gone in a smaller room since only a hundred or so drunk nineteen year olds showed up all night.

Because they moved the AMV contest into smaller and smaller rooms and gave the staff less and less support each year until the entire staff bailed in frustration.

Because the answer to all of these complaints is always "it brings more people in," when half the people it brings in are jackass kids buying one-day passes and showing up at 10 PM.

Headliners are awesome! Canceling big, anime related events to make room for more than one dance (or for fucking Eyeshine) is retarded.

>>6610854
>>6610875
>>6610854

Ok I didn't know things were that bad. From the original post it seemed like the con was putting an emphasis on expanding daces and headliners and would keep the panels the same. I had no idea that panels were getting shitcanned in favor of these changes.

That's just retarted

Okay when I was 15 and lusting after west coast cons, I never thought I'd say this.

EAST COAST BEST COAST

>>6610385
Wanna hear the sad part? Despite moving to a larger con center and having really good guests, Sac Anime still lost out to ALA which was nothing more than a party con in a hotel.

People just don't care anymore

>>6613263
That's a given because ALA is also a hotbed for popular cosplay and most of them flock to the convention that will have the most "famous" photographer and videographers
Having said that, we'll see what most of them say when they come up for the summer show when there's no con like ALA to compete against it

>>6613997
Come summer it's going to be SDDC, AX, Fanime, Otakon and those ilk. Sac Anime has a lot of competition ahead of itself

>>6614083
add Japan Expo a week before Sacanime to the list
Sacanime is probably just going to have locals because of that

>>6614108
So how do we turn SacAnime into a good-tier con that's no longer known for attracting the 18-under crowd?

>>6614328
SacAnime is doomed due to its location and timing. One, it's Sacramento, two it's in California and the region is too crowded already, three, there's not a good time for it because the summer is already booked up, winter there's ALA. Any other time period is just not going to have a lot of people or they are saving up their time for summer.

>>6614341
Is it possible for Sac Anime to simply overtake ALA or at least get more Norcal people to go? If the venue stays good and the guests stay good then it has a chance

I can't wait for AWA! I have a reason to like all their guests! voice actors for Kaneda/ Kintaro Oe, Motoko Aoyoma and ZUN! I'm gonna get so much stuff signed by them, and it's great because I've never missed an AWA since I've gone and I'm glad it's getting so many cool people

>>6614370
the hard part is convincing people that it's better to go to that than to ALA. they both have to deal with the looming shadow of ALA and sacanime's reputation to begin with. right now it's just written off as being bad because it's been bad in the past even if it's slowly getting better. you're also going to need draws that are clearly above and beyond. big guests or something people can't get outside of sacanime.

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>Please welcome AM2 2013's first Guest of Honor: Nylon Pink! This all-girl rock sensation has been called one of Los Angeles' "sexiest, glitziest bands" by LA Weekly.

Oh my sides! AM2 can you please die already.

>>6613997
and thats the crux of the problem: it's a fucking cosplay con and nothing else. Your SOLed if you don't cosplay. There is NOTHING TO FUCKING DO! and whats worst, is that since most of these fucking idiots are cliquiey drunktards that talk in their own language, all they want to do is get high or get drunk and shit... leaving alot of outsiders to do nothing. Worst yet, your left to be the mother hen alot of times and everyone is "NO1CURR" and shit and.. yeah.

>>6614627
Shit, at least AM2 have announced guests
Fanime is almost 100 days away and they have nothing

>>6614642
>that talk in their own language,
What kind of language would that be?

>>6614656
just *chan speak outside. They all seem like the most unsophisticated bunch of goons saying stuff like "u mad? u jelly?" and using terms like Spaghetti and shit. I'm not asking for them to use the use the queen's english right, but fuck, no one know how much of a tool you sound using those words outside. And I get it, it's a joke, well I fucking hate the joke. It's a joke that should of just stopped early on, but it didn't and now they are just fucking goons. Added to that: even though they don't say they are, they are asking for attention and it's also horrible because no one gives a shit about your 15 minutes of fame on an anonymous message board. NO ONE. I don't care about how much attention you get here, your nothing. EVERYONE IS NOTHING DAMN IT! NO1CURR ABOUT YOU! ARE YOU MAD NOW?

>>6614627
are they guys?

>>6614674
If no one cares then why are the parties getting bigger and bigger?

>>6614678
because they are a cult of personality! they can stand there and say shit and people will eat their shit because they have carisma and don't realize that they are eating shit to start with.

>>6614647

I live in SoCal, but I would gladly make the trip up the road for Japan Expo over a con that has been nothing but failure.

>>6614691
>>6614674
You're acting as if /cgl/ people throw the only room parties. There are tons of parties going on at ALA ranging from the tripfags to cosplay groups, photographer circles and so forth. When I went to ALA I got invited to at least 4 different parties from people I was cool with.

As long as you weren't a dumbass and were cool with people there was shit to do at ALA

>>6614710
I think everyone except for the underage local crowd would pick a first-year Japan Expo over a mediocre third year AM2.

>>6614725
but that still leaves the biggest problem that ALA and other cons in CA are just party cons. There needs to be more for it then just that.

>>6614788
You sound butthurt that you didn't get invited to a /cgl/ party.

>>6614852
I know your trying to bait me into sounding like an aspie, but the point is that look at these party cons and how shit they become. You think a dignified high profile japanese guest of honor would want to spend time at a con full of wineos? At least on the east coast, it's not the central thing to do.

>>6614852
the problem is that you can go to parties any given weekend. you cannot go see guests from japan any given weekend. as an anime/manga/japanese culture convention, that should be the priority. i'm fine with parties happening at conventions but convention planners should not let it be one of their main things unless a guest is involved (like fanime's yamaga party)

>>6614868
As someone who has been to a couple of /cgl/ tripfag circle jerk parties I guess I can see how it might look "cliquey" on the outside, but to us its a gathering of friends who we only get to see a couple times a year. Think of it as a drunk family reunion.

If we're not bothering you, don't bother us. Let us have our fun.

>>6608335

lmao, this. Ofc he's a guest every year or something.

But imo Okada Mari's a pretty big deal, at least anime wise. Not that /cgl/ even watches anime so who gives a fuck.

>>6614897
bur this always brings me back to another question: Couldn't you do it somewhere else? and since you all are so cool kids, you think anime cons are bellow you guys, so why not just do it somewhere else and let those who want to enjoy the damn thing enjoy it?

>>6614886
Convention planners usually don't plan parties
But as of late people don't give a shit about the con itself and only go to party

>>6614969
Because many of us do enjoy some aspects of the conventions. They're weekend long events where we can rent a hotel room and all come together. I'm sure many of us met at a previous con or on a con/cosplay forum, or maybe we know each other because we're in the same fandom and have the same group of friends.

Its just a really good environment for us to have our gatherings. I don't know why this is bothering you so much, As far as I know, the /cgl/ group don't really hinder others from enjoying the convention.

>>6615020
I dunno, maybe it's because back in "ye ol' days" of cons (see pre-2003) and we would frown upon the things people now a days are being praised and being loved for and some people put me in place and why doesn't anyone else put you fucking kids in check? Again, everything changed. Before, we'd go to a con to see the once in a lifetime things like guest of honor we'd never see of the stuff we've been watching for years and I feel like that magic has gone down the tubes in favor of where we are now.

>>6615042
Ok first I don't know what's up with that passive aggressive (You) you put up there to quote me, but whatever.

I don't know what else to tell you. You're a butt hurt old fag who can't handle the fact that cons are now more mainstream and evolving.

We're not preventing you from seeing your favorite guest or telling you you're not allowed to go to a certain panel or whatever your con business might be. This is literally a case of "Things aren't the way they used to be and I hate it"
Sorry man, don't know what else to tell you except I hope you don't land in a room next to our's.

>>6614627
El Duque is that you?
http://www.cosplay.com/showpost.php?p=4605474&postcount=9