another user said the transaction she did with maikodolly back in sept was reversed as well so there is something fishy going on with that particular user

I'm guessing she probably needed money, and figured paypal would pay her out of it's own pockets or something so she thought she could get away with it.

So this chick has a band named "Mayonaka No Fantaji"

http://www.mayonakanofantaji.com/

And the award for best bad 90's Myspace-like band website a decade too late goes to Mayonaka No Fantaji!

>>6422761
The blog linked from that site has a post that says
"Also, our vocalist Maiko has undergone surgery yesterday.

She is fine now, but is resting for a couple of weeks.

We are currently recording, so lease look forward to new music! "

Maybe she needed money for hospital bills?

Get her banned, make sure everyone knows. She obviously has a real life identity that could be found via her music stuff. Time for some public humiliation.

>>6422763

If so maybe she should of re-SOLD the dresses instead of scamming?

>>6422768
Well, yeah, obviously that would be the sensible thing to do, but some people lack sense.

What an absolute idiot. Didn't the same thing happen about 5 years ago with one girl who tried to steal a few thousand dollars worth of lolita gear?

>>6422766
Link

>>6422789
Her facebook is under: Maiko.Fantaji
I keep getting a spammer error when I post the full link.

>>6422789
fb dawt com/Maiko.Fantaji

I feel sorry for the girl who did personal payment, but at the same time, this is why you don't fucking trust strangers with personal payment. Paypal charges what? like a measly 3% for basically full insurance? Why give that away?

>>6422808

I had no idea that a buyer could still scam you via personal payment, that's nuts =[

>>6422812
With personal payment the person sending the money has 100% control over the situation. They can cancel/pull it back. Pretty sure paypal forbids people to use it for sales too.

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ugh, dem thighs, dat paunch, dat scamming bitch

>>6422812
Me either. People on the comm_sales always touted it as the only way a seller was guaranteed to never get screwed.

Looking at her ameblo and fb, this girl seems to have acquired lot of expensive stuff in a pretty short period of time, which is a bit suspicious. Not saying it's impossible, but usually when that happens (pinkzombies), it's due to irresponsible spending. I'm guessing she either maxed out her credit cards and never paid on them or it wasn't even her card attached to the PayPal in the first place and the card holder finally realized how much of a balance they carried, did some investigation and called in the "fraudulent" transactions. That sucks. So many nice dresses and she doesn't even look good in them.

>>6422836
ew wtf

>>6422838
The fuck? NO! It's the total opposite. Personal payments are high-risk and shouldn't ever be used on the comm_sales, IMHO. It's right in the comm_sales rules that it's a bad idea. You give away all your rights as a seller, and the buyer retains all theirs. The ONLY advantage is that there are no paypal fees.

It's like marking down an insured package. You break the rules of the service you are using, and give away your protection, to try to get that service for free/cheaper.

tldr; personal payments for sales = scammers paradise.

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>>6422836
she's a kawaii-desu singer guyz

>>6422844
please explain to me: how do you as a seller get money back if you've paid via personal payment. I never have received my goods, so I would like to know.

thanks!

>>6422873
as a buyer obviously

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I got a chargeback from her. Called, e-mailed, contacted her, now I just have to wait 1-2 days to see if paypal pulls through. Thank god I got tracking on the package I sent.

By invoicing but shipping without tracking, the buyer can claim that the package never arrived and you won't be able to prove that it did.
By personal payment, the buyer can file a chargeback and you can't say it was a sales because their TOS forbids it.
Either way you're screwed.

>>6422873
I'm pretty sure paypal has an option for it, or at least they used to; I had an issue with a miss-sent payment when I gave a friend money so she could buy a train ticket a couple years back, and I seem to recall being able to fix it pretty easily.

If they don't anymore, I assume you could file a charge back with your credit card/bank?

>>6422880
How do you file a chargeback (you can't open a paypaldispute if you've paid via personal payment)?

thanks for advice!

unfortunately paid with paypal funds (money from stuff I sold), so I can't charge bank through my credit card.

>>6422886
That would be thru your credit card company, if you paid by credit card. If by direct deposit you're kinda screwed.
Also fyi you can't file a credit card chargeback if you've already lost a pp dispute.

>>6422844

So, either way, the seller is screwed

Either the buyer can say they never got their package and get their money back, or they can reverse the payment

Fuckin paypal, man

>>6422909
how about using tracking? shouldn't that help?

>>6422920
If the buyer is international and doesn't want to pay for tracking, no

>>6422844
Last time I made a personal payment, I was charged over 10% in fees, so that's not even an advantage. Anyone got any clue why that is, by the way?

>>6422936
International payments I think, with extra fees if you use a credit card

Poor Evedestroys. Just finished reading everything and I hope she gets her money back via small claims or the police.

what a bitch

>>6422808
But it's really not full insurance. One of the other girls had her pay normally and PayPal won't give her money back either.

This whole thing is fucked.

Paypal is scammer heaven. It's completely unsafe for sellers.

Chrome isn't letting me expand the comments :/

>>6423817
... or LJ in general

Update guys

http://egl.livejournal.com/18930602.html

Her credit card is fraudulent, don't think poor op will be getting her money back anytime soon.

holy shit!

http://egl.livejournal.com/18930602.html?thread=427304618#t427304618

>i'm -$3,808.21 USD

>>6423932
>i'm -$3,808.21 USD ... ooooh wow! i have all of my tracking slips but i don't see how to dispute a reveral w/ paypal, i guess i'll have to call them on monday.
>-$3,808.21
I don't know about anyone else but I'd be suspicious as fuck if one person bought that much clothing from me.

>>6423962
Yeah, that's insane. I would have refused to sell that much to her, considering her journal was new and her account was unverified and everything. And she's telling people this whole thing is a mistake, but looking at the crazy amount she bought in such a short space of time, I'd say she always intended to do this.

>>6423962
Why would you be suspicious? It's like saying it's suspicious if someone goes to a thrift store or used book shop or w/e and spends a bunch of money.

>>6423978

What are you asking that seriously?? Because no one goes to a thrift store and spend 4k in one sitting!!

>>6423953
>http://egl.livejournal.com/18930602.html?thread=427304618#t427304618
DAFUQ. Especially since I wanted to buy some stuff from her and it was gone.

>>6423978
i think a lot of people aren't used to that kind of money being thrown into a fashion like this. to me, it wouldn't be odd at all. i can see why that girl (i forgot her screen name but i know she had a huge closet) doesn't find it strange either.
some people actually put a lot of money into it.

>>6423976
it was like, over the span of months. that's not that short.
but for the unverified that's like... idk, i never would have thought this could happen.

this is a super terrifying story. it's like, awful.

>>6423932
>Her credit card is fraudulent
What how?

>>6423978
i don't think i have ever heard of a new buyer buying that much shit.
Have you???? alarm bells yo!

>>6423996
I had a real winner of a relative once who stole some girl's ID who looked like her and opened up a credit card in her name at a department store and charged it up thousands. If there's a will, there's a way.

>>6424000
I'm not talking about her being new, I'm talking about "Someone wants to buy a bunch of clothes from one person? Suspicious!!"

>>6423989
People don't buy a lot of items all in one sitting? Are you serious? Especially if it's someone or shop that has a lot of what someone wants?

>>6424008

Most people don't buy almost $4000 worth of used things in one sitting, moreover if they are new to a store/method of buying, moreover thru a method like the comm sales that would be so risky.

Man maybe you live in a rich people bubble but no one I know would drop that kind of money over paypal at once.

I don't buy it. She did it intentionally and is trying to cover her ass. There are pictures of her wearing the shit she bought.

>>6424018
>rich people bubble

Lol no. I live in a world where if someone is selling a bunch of items you want and you're smart with your money and have savings for a hobby you're interested in, you can go ahead and buy them. And in this case, lolita items can easily be $100-$300 a pop.

>>6424037

I guess. Maybe I just live in a poor people bubble.

>>6424057
i wouldn't call it poor. just think of it this way, most people use credit cards to pay for things they can't afford. like, medical bills, car payments, or something they pay off in bits month to month.
some people (many people) do this with their everyday purchases.

it's more like, you live in a "responsible person bubble". because you're right, most people don't have 4k+ to just spend. some do, but in this case she obviously didn't.

Seems dumb on maikos behalf though. Since all her info is out there. Doesn't make sense... You can't pull that kind of heist unless you cover your tracks well.

Seems some of them aren't letting her get off that easy. Scammers need to be scared of scamming.

>>6424006
Hmm maybe.

>>6423953
Holy fuck this girl really does need a good public shaming, these poor girls...

I'd just like to pop in and remind people that you have until December 1st to opt-out of Paypal's new mandatory binding arbitration policy. If you don't opt out, your ability to file a class action lawsuit will be taken away.
Polite sage for not related

Florida address, share it.

>>6424132
And how do you do that?

>>6424018
>http://egl.livejournal.com/18930602.html
pink zombies bought that much when she first started loli. Jola's post made it appear that this girl bought over several transactions rather than all in one sitting...

>>6424143
I don't know why the url is in that comment...

I mean even her Facebook is all public! She couldn't possibly be that careless. Maybe it is all a mistake?

>>6424140
not that anon but here you go
http://consumerist.com/2012/10/15/here-is-a-downloadable-template-for-opting-out-of-paypal-arbitrati
on-clause/

>>6424160
i don't see how it could be. she's wearing the clothing, she's had it for a long time.
like unless she messed up on reporting it stolen, but she seems to have done this many times over a long period of time.

>>6424140
>http://consumerist.com/2012/10/09/paypal-slips-forced-arbitration-clause-into-user-agreement-giv
es-you-until-dec-1-to-opt-out/
here's a link with some information, good luck!

Fuuuuuuuu...I hate scammers. I'm so terrified of this happening to me. It seems no matter which way you take payment you can still get scammed. Scaaaary!

I'm not sure why all the people ITT are so shocked that she was sold $4000 of stuff at once. There's a lot of rich people in lolita, and it's definitely a hobby geared towards the affluent. Given how much personal information she has up, I would have just assumed she was some rich girl who had just discovered the hobby, not that she was a scammer...

>>6424018
It wasn't in one sitting.

>>6424018
dude, lolita in general is a "rich people bubble"... most poor people cant afford 300 dollar dresses from japan lol

>>6424198
it's just a throw around number, since it's very close to what (most) brands sell their dresses new for and generally the price of what (most) popular prints go for.

everyone is aware not every piece of lolita clothing costs $300.
it is a bit annoying when people are complaining though, like i've seen Moitie prints go for less than $300 on Mbok. most others have at least a few prints you can easily get for under $100 if you shop around.

>>6424186
that's why most people will buy second hand garments.

>>6424223
Its kinda annoying to use that as a throw around number as it makes us all seem really wealthy. Ive never paid more than $100 for a dress in lolita and while this could be because i 1: don't buy prints and 2: don't buy first hand i think it should be noted that the vast majority of lolita don't pay $300 bux a pop for a dress.

>>6424244
for sure, but let's be honest- most people are in lolita for the prints.

>>6424241
i always was like "i wish my dresses were $300" you know? like, as a Moitie whore i'd buy $500+ dresses used- $400 something new and accessories were always like $50-$200 with $50+ in shipping because i had to have it insured and tracked- Divine Cross got lost in the mail once and oh my fucking lord it was the most terrifying thing. never again did i go without either, in shipping out or being shipped.

but yeah, $300 is a lot for mother other brands.

>>6424228
...there is a logical flaw with that statement, dear.

>>6424198
I'd like to point out that I did qualify that number with a "from Japan", as in "you'd be hard put to find a brand dress new from Japan for less than $300". It's the baseline. and regardless of what you yourself paid, somebody somewhere along the line almost certainly forked over $300 plus international shipping for it.

>>6424277
Don't know what in the world you're buying then.
:/

It looks like the total of money she has currently scammed is upwards of $5000 according to the latest post on EGL

I feel so sorry for all those girls

Okay all this "GUISE THEY'RE NOT $300 DRESSES" stuff has to stop. Most dresses not including prints are priced at about $300 that's new. No one is saying that we are all buying only $300 every single time, just that $300 is the average pricing for the dresses. Seriously though shut up about it.

>>6424291
doesn't anyone else feel like we get an above average number of this type of thing though? i feel like other comunities don't have nealy as much scamming as us, and so frequently.

>>6422802
>I'm half Japanese half Caucasian

mad/10 would rage again

Any of you met Maiko irl? And can you think of anything we can do to help?

>>6424186
>>6424282
But not all people who are into lolita buy brand new from Japan, so it isn't exclusively for people who can do that.

>>6424244
Non printed dresses are definitely cheaper, but I've picked up printed dresses for under $100. I'm lucky in that most of the things I like and want in my wardrobe aren't super popular with the lolita community as a whole.

>>6424257
Agreed about the prints, they're the thing that makes dresses more exclusive as well. Plain dresses are much more easy to find (and cheaper) because brands make lots of non print stuff and often re-release designs. Unless there's a particularly special design or an unusual colour (AaTP Gather Chiffon Frill springs to mind) people aren't going to pay that much for them.

>>6424332
Plain, new AP dresses are usually $250-$300 IW dresses are anywhere from $200-250 and these are without shipping.

>>6424315
>likes:
>blood on the dance floor
>monster high
>pretty little liars
>daria (why do they always like daria)
>DDR
>visual kei
>wicca

and the kicker:
>inspirational people:
>taylor swift

I guess it makes sense that one person who apparently failed to mature beyond high school would idolize another

>>6424335
I guess I was talking about once you start buying second-hand. Prints tend to hold value more than plain items.

>>6424290
I mean that for there to be used dresses, someone has to be buying them new. Considering many things from AP sell out on release, and how many minor brands there are which obviously are selling things since they are still in business, it's probably not accurate to say that most people buy second hand.

>>6424354
There are a LOT of used dresses floating around though, since lolitas seem to take good enough care of their dresses (or wear infrequently enough) that they end up being in fairly good condition. Certainly there are enough people buying new to keep the brands in business, but there are always going to be more second hand items around, which makes it a larger and more accessible market for people.

>>6424332
I was responding to someone who asked why I used the number $300, and it was because that's the usual price for a new brand dress. I had originally used the number in a post that was accusing someone else of living in a "rich people bubble" for not thinking $4000 was an astonishing amount to spend on lolita clothing. I pointed out that it wasn't especially odd given the large amounts of money some dresses can cost. I wasn't trying to say that it's not possible to dress in lolita relatively cheaply, but that many people spend lots of money on it.

>>6424366
ferp, meant "in a response to a post accussing" etc etc

>>6424325
Well, she recently moved to Cali. And after moving all the way to Cali she made a post in my comm trying to sell a few items. Which I now find rather suspicious.

But I'm really proud of my local comm. They are acting mature and not 'burning the witch' without getting their facts straight. But there was a warning post made.

She's not really half Japanese is she?

I wonder if she will say anything sometime soon. If that was me and I was truly innocent I'd defend myself immediately.

>>6424139
the zip code is 34446
if it does turn out to be a scam, then i'll post the whole address

>>6424139
>>6424385
She moved to Cali......why would you want the old Florida address? Want to harass the new tenants?

>>6424381

Are you blind?

>>6424424
I like how it's like so hilarious for her xDDDD

>LOL identity fraud, everyone thinks I'm shit and people are out hundreds and thousands of dollars because of my account omg! XDD Paypal!! XDD

>>6424445
My thoughts exactly.

>>6424424
>XD

I hate it when people do this in serious situtations.

>>6424424
She's lying. Trying way too hard.

>>6424424
Ermy Gerd U Gaize! Haxxxors! Lol xDxDxD

>>6424424
jesus christ
she's either rich as fuck and doesn't understand how seriously damaging not having a few hundred dollars in your bank account can be
or aspies as fuck and doesn't understand how just generally shitty this is
or is lying and just trying to make light of the situation to diffuse it by being "silly"

>>6424514
... do you reeeeeally think she's just rich and doesn't understand money?

Unpopular opinion:

I would be honestly less irked about this situation if she actually looked good in her burando.

>>6424522
how the fuck do you think that is an unpopular opinion are you retarded

>>6424520
some people are really out of touch. really-really out of touch.

>>6424522
it had to be said eventually.

>>6424528
I would have thought it be unpopular because it's vapid as fuck, and what she did is incredibly shitty regardless of whether she looks good or not.

But huzzah, cgl is as shallow as me.

>>6424535
she's been photographed wearing the clothes. she's pretty obviously just trying to cover her ass with her creditors by issuing chargebacks, and with her comm by going "lol paypal xD"

>>6424537
how do you think that one bitch in the fairy kei community has been getting away with her shit for so long

>>6424538
i am a very innocent until proven guilty. if you say your card was stolen on X date they will cancel it and give you back every purchase since then unless you say otherwise.
so like, say you keep one card at home and one card in your wallet and the one in your wallet gets stolen so you use the one from home and don't notice any false charges on it so you just assume you lost it instead of it being stolen- but then realize there was one and cancel the card and like tell the credit card company it was stolen.

they get all your money back and help you figure it out. a responsible adult would go through EVERY purchase since it was stolen and say which was them and which was not.

like, my mom and i share a credit card so if like she doesn't recognize a purchase she asks me to make sure it was me.

i mean, i really doubt that's the case here, it's a fucking huge ass stretch and it seems to have been happening for like MONTHS. but it's possible... maybe.

I think they're filing police reports right?

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>>6424542
never heard of her,
tell me more
I need a bedtime story ~

>>6424546
some of them are, according to the thread. which the police will tell them to try and contact her themselves before they'll take it to court.

i mean, they don't /have/ to but court fees get fucking expensive. especially if you aren't in the same state.

i rented a room from a guy and gave a 1k deposit and he kept it claiming all sorts of bullshit, i was still a minor at the time so i couldn't really do stuff since it was technically my mothers lease and she was back here in Michigan while i was in California so we just- never took care of it.

Looking through her pictures I can't tell if she's the biggest try hard or she's just unfortunate looking.

>>6424544
Her attitude is pretty much the clincher for me. A person who would spend $5000 they didn't have on frilly dresses is absolutely the kind of person who would, after being completely unreachable until her ~good name~ was in question, go "lel paypal XD" in response to the people she screwed over. I can't help but feel that someone who was actually having problems with their credit card would be much more apologetic and much less flippant about the whole thing.

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>>6424354
Understood! i agree.
Let me amend my statement.

>> 6424186 -dude, lolita in general is a "rich people bubble"... most poor people cant afford 300 dollar dresses from japan lol

- that's why most people will buy second hand garments.

Perhaps in answer i should have said

'this is true but that is what the second hand sales are for, you may find what you are after and in MOST cases it will be cheaper.'

Dose this sound better anon???

>>6424553
yeah... i mean, like i said- it's really really unlikely. but i just... what if she is innocent? i don't want to be the one who was like "BURN THE WITCH" when she's not guilty.

but really i doubt it. but i hope. but let's be realistic...

i hope this gets sorted out quickly.

Oh Man, the weight gain between http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbrDziMPzfI&feature=plcp (Feb 2011) and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16-KZsS2KYM&feature=plcp is fucking wild

More caps!! Is that group secret or something?!

>>6424549
i can't remember her name, but shes notorious for giving good service to popular bloggers and making other people wait for months/ never shipping things out
and basically gets a pass because shes ~kawaii desu~
fuck can't remember but someone probably knows who im talking about
she used to pop up in hate threads all the time a while ago

>>6424572
http://kyandi.tumblr.com/

>>6424577
YESSSS
DIS BITCH
they all have such fucking interchangeable names I kept thinking hers was Pastel Sugar Charm Charm the Magical Unicorn or some shit like that but DIS BITCH

>>6424572
Deco Dream something... Starlight Deco Dream? Is that her etsy? http://www.etsy.com/shop/starlightdecodream ?

>>6424570
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16-KZsS2KYM&feature=plc

Is this the girl who's all "LOL PAYPALS CRAZY"? if that's her bedroom or something then she is definitely loaded, it looks huge!! i'm guessing this may be a case of mommy and daddys little angel was given her first credit card and she went apeshit with it and now is getting everything charged back because they found the bill or something


also yeah, bitch got fat

>>6424538

one of the girls who got scammed was talking to me about the situation, and it's not paypal but the credit card company that issued the chargeback and paypal is covering their ass.

So, she's definitely lying about the situation, and I still feel bad.

>>6424590
That is obviously a kitchen. Though it looks like a decent kitchen.

Post ending in 3 has to go leave a comment on her video telling her to give back the money.

>>6424570
I find it funny that she got fat and went from dancing to sitting and playing with cups.

wow I feel bad for her watching her dance that people tell her she is good enough that she should do it in front of other people O.O she may have better luck on a pole
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoQPJ4TaZBE&feature=plcp

>>6424650
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoQPJ4TaZBE&feature=plcp
Oh god the people laughing in that video.

>>6424570
> mama and I were frantically trying to finish my second Lolita dress for the convention and there was 1 day left XDDDD
> mama and I
> mama

She definitely has at least a couple grand, if not more, in brand and accessories, if you scroll through her mobile uploads (only 2 replicas listed looks like). f@cebook.com/photo.php?fbid=287761721332320&set=a.104214336353727.8077.100002954834293&type=
3&theater poor poor Sweet Cream, I bet the seams are so fucked :(

>>6424663
I think that might be her grandma. Either way, that person passed away recently according to her journal...

>>6424613
Not the dance video, she has anime shit on the walls, its a bedroom. The one where she is fat is obviously a kitchen

>>6424717
What? They linked to the kitchen video and asked if it was a bedroom.

>>6424732
Thats because 4chan is for some reason including youtube links in replies whether you want it included or not, for that particular post it decided to include the link to the kitchen

>>6424797
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I seeeeeeeeeeee

>>6424797
This only happens if you highlight something and then go to reply with quick reply.

Also did we see this update in the EGL post? http://egl.livejournal.com/18930602.html?thread=427313322#t427313322

>>6424814
so ridiculous.

I wonder which is worse when it comes to Paypal--sending or receiving payments as gifts.

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Guys, guys, you should be glad that she stole some of your burando! Look at what she'd be wearing otherwise...

>>6424553

Wait, where does she say "lel paypal"? Sorry, I can't find it.

>>6424836
Looks like the post and the image were deleted. It's on the archives though. http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/boards/cgl/img/0064/22/1353211875899.jpg

>>6422844
Wait, I thought if they sent payment as a "gift", they couldn't open a case based on not having proof of shipment? Is this not true?

>>6422887
Well, what was the situation? Most sellers say that if you don't pay for tracking and the package doesn't arrive, they aren't liable. You could file a chargeback for that, but it would be... really shitty. Regardless, if you paid through your paypal balance, you don't have much hope about getting your money back.

>>6424858
She didn't open a dispute. What happened was that she or whoever it was went to the credit card company who then reversed all the charges including ones made with her credit card while linked to paypal. So basically the credit card company has more power than paypal does and all the charges have been reversed indiscriminately.

her facebook says she'll be at anime LA....anyone going?

>>6424870
I may be going for one day. How awkward it would be to see her there. I would love to approach her about this though and she what she has to say for herself haha

>>6424866
Oh no, I'm not asking about chargebacks - I know chargebacks can be issued in any case. But my question was, if someone paid with a paypal balance or something like that, could they open a dispute even if they sent payment as a gift?

>>6424888
I don't think so. I am pretty sure that it's in their terms that you can't do that since sending payment as a gift means you are skipping out on their business fees. Other than that, I don't understand why girls say that they will only take payment for items without tracking as a gift you can get a detailed reciept from the post office when you pay and then use that as proof of delivery.

>>6424893
Paypal requires that you be able to track it online and it must say it was delivered to the address/zip in the buyer's pp account.

>>6424893
From what I've read online, Paypal doesn't consider it proof of delivery unless you can provide a FULL tracking number, since proof of shipment /= proof of delivery. And from the US, only Express Mail offers FULL tracking, but it's insanely expensive.

>>6424898
Which, by the way, bring me to a point: Priority Mail offers tracking, but it isn't FULL tracking for many countries. It often stops at the US border, and Paypal doesn't accept that as proof of delivery. I see a lot of people saying they won't ship first class because there isn't tracking, but will ship priority mail. Know that this DOES NOT protect you in most cases!

Maikodolly
> I used to be a country music singer in nashville, and when my mother passed away and I received her life insurance money

>>6424898
>>6424899
That isn't true. Delivery confirmation is free with priority shipping. If you have delivery confirmation and a tracking number, that's all you need. You don't need to ship express.

>>6424930
It is within the country, but not abroad. I've asked the post office numerous times about this issue, and they've always told me that only Express Mail is guaranteed to have COMPLETE tracking to foreign countries.

>>6424930
Also, you can find this under the "selling safely" section of Paypal. It says that Priority Mail with a customs receipt is sometimes adequate, but that it does not include tracking to all destinations. If it doesn't include full tracking, and a claim is opened, you can't provide proof of delivery.

>>6424907
wat

>>6424931
>>6424932
Delivery confirmation is... delivery confirmation. Proof of delivery. It comes with priority shipping. Just click the little box. It works overseas. You don't need to know which post office the package was routed through in Austria or whatever (which is "complete" tracking) when it clearly states "delivered on [date]". That's sufficient proof for paypal to reverse a fraudulent charge claim.

Anyway guys I have a question. Have any of you thought of faking identity theft or letting someone else do it? Like giving someone else your name and credit card info on purpose so they can get items you call your CC company saying they're not yours and then they send you the items you originally wanted and keep some 50/50 I feel like it would work somehow

>>6424950
Any time I've looked at overseas shipping, there is only "registered mail" or "certificate of mailing" available. No delivery confirmation. Pretty sure it's only for domestic mail?

>>6424956

That is credit card fraud. There is actual investigation... you'll both get caught, enjoy that.

She needs to be arrested. Seriously. This is why our country is in debt. ID thief and credit card fraud.

>>6424979
+1
Are you kidding me? If this girl gets caught and she is of age she will go to jail.

http://egl.livejournal.com/18930602.html?thread=427319978#t427319978

xDDDDDDD

>>6425011
yeah, no fucks to be given by this chick, really sounds like a case of stealing her Dad's credit card (if the whole 'my mother died' story is true at all)

http://egl.livejournal.com/18930602.html?thread=427319978#t427319978

>Everyone, I'm so sorry about this, I'm currently talking to PayPal and my bank. This was started by identity theft and escalated into this mess xD I'm working on refunding people currently. I just sent a refund to Evedestroys and I'm waiting to hear from her that she received the refund. If you have had a payment reversed from me, please inbox me with your PayPal name and amount needed to be refunded and I will refund you. Again, I'm so sorry about this and I'm working hard to fix this problem


So, looks like it wasn't a scam after all.

>>6424950
I know what delivery confirmation is. That's what I'm saying - for some countries, there is NO proof of delivery. You might ship the package, it will say it got to the border, and then, nothing. No updates, no notice it's going through customs, no sign of delivery. It varies by country, but some places don't update tracking, and if that's the case, there's nothing you can do. It's NOT a guarantee of protection.

There's stories all over the internet about people shipping Priority Mail, the tracking not updating, and thus not getting protected by seller protection.

>>6425022
xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>6425031
It's just an inappropriate use of an emoticon, I don't think it's anything to get worked up over. As long as she refunds everyone in the next few days, there's no reason to continue being suspicious.

YEAAAHHHH....

>18 yr old Country Singer with $$$
>Mom Died
>Identity Thieft
>Credit Card Fraud
>Chargebacks for $5,000+

WAAA how many stories can you add to that??? I bet outside her house there is a moat with a drawbridge and a few knights to guard the stolen burando.

>>6425042
Don't forget half-Japanese, and now part of a vk rock band.

>>6425044

ANDDDD had open-throat surgery! Don't forget the open-throat surgery!!!!

It sucks for anyone who may have gotten scammed but it's really hard to sympathize with everyone trying to save $5 at most. That's scamming PP.

>>6425047
WAIT WAIT WHERE IS THIS GLORIOUS STORY

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yo this a stickup! Loli-styled, biiiitch!

>>6425062
>http://www.mayonakanofantaji.com/

THROAT SURGERY FANTAJI.... for the THROAT!

>>6425067
Learn to spell.

>>6425072
Her Japanese is soooo terrible, jesus christ.

I don't think I can find any more reasons to hate this person right now after reading through her shit. The mom dying story and six days later back to fucking happy as shit. Perhaps I'm picking the wrong place to vent a little but that grinds my gears since I'm still grieving my mom 6 months later. The shitty japanese and claims to be half jap is livable but fuuuck.

>>6425022
This seems ... totally legit actually. I don't think the girl's a scammer. Dumb, yeah, but not a scammer.

>>6425086
It rubs me the wrong way too because I still cry over my dad nearly every night and it's been what? 10 years? Hell, I even cry if I think about my mum passing away. It's horrible. It's probably one of the worst feelings.

>>6423994
You really sound like sieg heil sometimes.

>>6425115
>>6425086
You're seriously mad because someone doesn't grieve like you do? Just fuck off. Maybe her grieving just isn't visible to the public.

>>6425086
Oh God please tell me you're Kankuro because then I can laugh like hell over you still being upset and crying over your mommy.

>>6425086
I am not the person in question, but lemme tell you this: not everyone was born with *~WONDERFUL~* parents. Her brother apparantly committed the identity theft according to the facebook post... I think that might give you an idea about her family situation. Sounds toxic as fuck.

This whole incident scares me. I'm afraid of selling on egl again :(

>>6425017
>http://egl.livejournal.com/18930602.html?thread=427319978#t427319978
>Because currently, you've offered to pay us our money from your "friend's" paypal account (at least that's what you offered me via PM).

What's that about?

>>6425407
But I thought she was rich. Is her brother not rich too?

>>6425426
I have no idea. I guess he's rich if he committed identity fraud, like she says. Until that shit is sorted. If it is true, then I feel really bad for her, she must be getting hounded by EVERYBODY, not just people who sold dresses, but bill payments, the works...

>>6425429
I still don't get why she's 'paying with a friend's account' it seems really sketchy to me because she or 'her friend' could just reverse all those transactions as well.

>>6425434
Honestly, it seems like she tried to scam EGL, got caught, and is having a friend bail her out. Idk. It's just the vibe I'm getting.

Does anyone have her actual PP email so I know not to sell to her?

>>6425421
I am putting her on my black list specifically for that reason

>>6425423
What's to stop that friend from reversing the charges in the future?

According to Jola, the scammer tried to reverse the charges before, but Paypal sided with Jola, and then now the charges were reversed AGAIN. So if the "friend" pays Jola back then there's no stopping this pattern from reoccurring.

>>6425482
I am interested in that too.

>>6425407
And he bought brand or what?

>>6425503
You know, it makes it so much less likely that anyone defrauded her credit card. Apparently that happened to another girl? Animerei or something?

>>6425574
Via animerei:
"Paypal informed me this morning when I called that the identity theft was NOT reported by a credit card company, but was reported to them directly by the account owner."

So her story about the credit card is debunked. Bitch is liar.

She says that she's going to pay everyone back through a "friend's" paypal... has nobody considered that maybe she's stolen somebody else's account information and you're just going to end up with new chargebacks when he/she finds out?

>>6425586
Wait, so she reported it herself?

>>6425597
Yup. No credit card company indiscriminately doing chargebacks, no brother mischief. You should note, she doesn't address this either.

Can we get the bitch's paypal email? I am def blacklisting her.

>>6425601
>>6425597
>>6425586
Someone really needs to raise this to her on the post or at least post the caps of her claiming the bank is doing it and all that.

>>6425594
Everything about this chick is sketchy as fuck; I don't know why anyone would trust her to go through a "friend's" Paypal. That just sounds like a bad idea.

I don't think they have much of a choice but to trust her. As PayPal fucked them over. At this point I'd trust her friend more.

Wait. If she is the one who reported the fraud directly to Paypal, why can't she gain access to her account?

>>6425661
She obviously can. She just doesn't want to pay anyone.

The mod of the Lolita FB Sales page is a fucking idiot.

>>6425679
Why?

so is it likely that she filed the chargebacks herself (through Paypal, since the bank/credit card company isn't involved)? Or something else? I'm so confused

>>6425652
Her 'friend' could easily be her or another person who will do a chargeback once she doesn't pay. Without verification, this whole thing can be repeated a few months down the road but this time she'll be smarter at covering her tracks.

>>6425586
So.. you can just phone paypal and tell them that? Wouldn't they want proof or something?

>>6425685
She said in the FB post that she had done it herself.

>>6425682
She was saying that everyone was harassing her in the post since they were trying to get all the facts straight.

What Facebook post? Where does her brother come in. I'm so confused.

>>6425698
cap? Because I thought her story was that the bank thought her identity was stolen..

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>>6425722
Here are some of the caps I didn't hide names because I am too lazy.

>>6425698
>>6425734
It's both. Her identity was stolen, so she has called the bank/cc/PayPal and asked them to stop the suspect payments. They have responded by stopping everything. So she is trying to sort out the mess. This is the gist of it from the fb thread.

Which makes sense, banks/cc companies don't fuck around if they think they will lose money.

>>6425736
>she's in a position where she really doesn't have to fix anything

What?

>>6425482
mur6mn@aol.com

>>6425742
>Which makes sense, banks/cc companies don't fuck around if they think they will lose money.
This is absolutely not true. I've been a victim before and your bank will do absolutely nothing to help if it is money you used from your account ie. with a debit card. The only people who will do anything are credit card companies themselves because they will lose money, banks do nothing because it's your money you have lost not theirs. Also, when you go to file a claim like this you need to show specifics about which charges were not yours, the bank, CC company or paypal will not simply 'reverse all the charges' if you say that some of them were fraud it's just not something that is done. You usually need to provide sufficient evidence that you are a victim of fraud.

>>6425743
Yeah, that's the only bit I disagree with. I have a bit of sympathy if this girl is telling the truth, because it's a SHIT situation to be in. she does, however, have an obligation to fix it. She seems to be keeping people apprised as best she can - fixing paying shit like rent/mortgage is probably taking priority

>>6425742
She says in the caps that she told Paypal she had identity theft on specific purchases, but that they did chargebacks on every purchase she has ever made with the account

"I think Paypal alerted my bank so I'm calling them in the morning as well"

But Paypal would not alert her bank and her bank would not just reverse charges on every single purchase made with her credit card without notifying her first. And now she's saying that she called the bank and told them what charges were/weren't fraudulent, but they did chargebacks on everything?

And why would Paypal refund someone, but then do a chargeback again?

It doesn't add up.

>>6425750
Ah, In my country the banks absolutely have the responsibility to fix it, and thus go overboard sometimes. I would expect to get all the money back.

>>6425761
Well it works differently in America.

>>6425759
because PayPal are shit.

Also note she said "I think". She's trying to find out.

Look, I ain't whiteknighting, but benefit of the doubt here, financial institutions can be gung-ho about this sort of thing. If everyone gets their money back, then she doesn't require lynching. It's a wait-and-see.

THEN we can legit call her an evil scammer.

>>6425750
Exactly. She's claiming that she told Paypal her Paypal info had been stolen and gave them specific purchase to reverse... then Paypal "notified the bank" and the bank reversed all charges on that card? Uhh nope. Paypal rarely even takes money out of bank accounts when people are proven scammers, they would not notify the bank of identity theft and a bank would not go "oh okay" and reverse every charge on that card.

She's lying or leaving big chunks out of the story.

>>6425763
Duly noted.

>>6425767
No worries. In America banks will do whatever sleezy business they can to try to out you money. Something happened to my friend where they overdrafted literally $0.25 because their bank was holding funds and then ended up over drafting $500

>>6425736
Did her story change? At first she says she told Paypal her identity was stolen, but then someone asked her

"So you called the bank and told them "these individual purchases were not made by me" but they didn't listen to you, and cancelled all of your purchases made on that card?"

And she said "Yes that's exactly what happened, even restaurants I ate at."

>>6425770
This is what it seems like to me.

>>6425748
Thank you. Even if she doesn't use this one anymore I want to remember what it is.

>>6425778
No problem.

>>6425769
I am EU-based, and that shit is now illegal. In fact, people have been able to claim against now-unlawful unfair charges, like the one you describe.

I am amazed that given how much purchasing-power American households have, you guys haven't been able to demand a higher level of service from your banks. Imagine if a bank with fair charges opened up in the US, and people transferred all their money overnight...

>>6425794
Well the US is pretty shitty about money, why do you think ebay and paypal are so fucking horrid?

>>6425794
Their problem is that they went to those big banks instead of local credit union.

>>6425759
>
That's the worst part. It's not like she alerted her paypal and they reversed everything - she did a chargeback, a while ago and then it was refunded. She did a chargeback AGAIN just recently. This is all info from the egl thread. Banks don't chargeback TWICE on harmless purchases she obviously had to tell paypal to do a chargeback. And then paypal itself confirmed that she told them to do the chargebacks.

>>6425821
my credit union is so awesome.

>>6425759
Bitch is obviously seeing if she can get away with getting shit for free by doing charge backs. She tried it once already months ago to Jola. She went into hiding mode and is now trying to see if she'll be successful this time. Its pretty obvious that this is what she's doing. She's a wanna-be scammer but is too fucking stupid to do it right.

>>6425865
>She tried it once already months ago to Jola.
Wait what?

>>6425868
http://egl.livejournal.com/18930602.html?thread=427303850#t427303850

> Maiko purchased quite a few things from me this summer and there was a chargeback incident then ... it was reversed and i got my money. I just checked my paypal and my paypal is negative again. WOW. I'm kind of shocked since this happened so long ago and was resolved i did not expect to see something from this again so long after resolution :(

^ Jola's comment

God I can't imagine how jola must feel ATM.

>>6425881
She seems appeased because of the facebook explanations but I wouldn't believe that shit for a second. Why would the bank do yet another reversal MONTHS after that problem was resolved? I can't believe that a bank would reverse a whole half years worth of purchases. Its ridiculous that maiko expects people to swallow that. And even more ridiculous that some people actually are giving her the benefit of the doubt.

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The whole being paid through a friend thing is bullshit. If she was being legit and going through paypal/her bank then paypal/her bank will cancel the charge backs and everyone will get their money back through them. What is the point of having a friend pay people back? What happens when paypal cancels the charge backs and people get their money? Whoever was paid through her "friend" will have double their money and will have to pay the friend back.

It doesn't make any fucking sense!

I'd suggest that anyone involved in this mess to not accept any money from another uninvolved account. Too fucking risky.

>>6425913
And if this chick is an identity thief then her "friend's" account is just another person's card she's stolen and when they see a bunch of charges THEY will ask for a chargeback too.

>>6425913
Exactly. She seems to be offering the "friend" solution because she's freaking out that she got caught and is trying to appease people.

>>6425922
Yeah and I don't know what kind of fucking friends she has but there is no way anyone I know would lend me a couple thousand dollars to keep people on the internet off my back while I sorted shit out with a bank. I don't care how good of a friend this supposed person is, people just don't do that.

>>6425933
It's highly suspicious. It doesn't even make any sense, either. Why refund people through a friend's account when you can just call the bank and reverse the chargeback? Seriously, there is no way what she's saying is true. She's either lying full out or leaving something out.

Everything she does just screams scammer.
I'd contact the the only real department that can help with internet crime as it seems to be on larger scale now if I were involved, I'd call the FBI or at least, the local police department to report a theft.

>>6425959
Exactly. Scammers get away with this kind of bullshit online because people for some reason sit back and wait for things to get resolved on their own, and then once the time limit that paypal can actually do anything to help you is up then its too late. I've see this kind of thing in the BJD community, where people are promised dolls/money and wait and wait and wait until they finally crack and try to do something but its too late and they are out hundreds of dollars.

Get the authorities involved right away when this kind of thing happens.

>>6425959
If this happened with just one person then I'd understand waiting to see if she was legit, but there are multiple people who are getting burned here, and the more people involved the more suspicious it is.

>>6425967
>>6425974

I've now outed myself and just jumped the gun and posted a link of the FBI website where you can report cyber crime on the lj thread.
I just fucking hate scammers, especially if something like this happens, what if you're out of food and suddenly all your money is gone cause some greedy girl decides to scam you.
I really hope the victims take action, contact the right authorities.

one thing is for sure, i'm never accepting personal payment again lol.

>>6426003
She posted about how she's going to give back all the money with her own paypal now. She maybe is reading this thread.

>>6426028
Where? Caps?

>>6426028

But it's with paypal, proven not to be trust worthy.
She could do this all over again.
Why not wire the money to their bank accounts for safety reasons?
I still don't trust her.

>>6426052
You really want them to give a scammer their bank account numbers?

>>6426054

I don't know how that works in America but where I'm from that's usually pretty safe, yet, since she probably is a scammer, you've got a very good point there.
Maybe she can send her a money order?

>>6426066
She could lie and say she sent it but never actually send it and say it got lost in the mail. This is one of the things I've seen the the doll community. People claiming they've mailed something and asking people to "please wait a little longer" and stringing them along with a million excuses until a ridiculous amount of time goes by and the scammed person is out of luck.

Involving the authorities is the only way to be safe at this point in my opinion. I'm assuming this happened in america? And all of those affected are also american maybe? If so then that will make things a lot easier for the authorities.

>>6426028
Yet didn't she claim to be currently locked out of her paypal account or something? This bitch is backpedaling like crazy.

Well didn't Paypal tell some of them they're sol anyways? if that's the case at this Point How much harm could accepting money from her friends account do? I mean either way they lose. And if she refunds it herself she could just do another chargeback again. It's not any safer than getting paid through another account.