what

Pic unrelated, I hope? That's hilarious and kinda cute.

The straight haired, emo Pinkie pie needs to stop.
This one's a fucking lolita.
Urggggghhhhh

Furry lolita.

All grimdark shit of cute things.
You're not cool; it's annoying.

Most rage-est thing in my folder and it's not even /cgl/ related.

I'm really confused whether I should put this in my Pokémon folder, or my Lolita folder.

>>5803159
I wont lie, that looks delicious.

>>5803119
Is there some joke with the Hypno I'm not getting?

The sheer amount of people who cosplay from Dragon Age 2.

>>5803159
what the hell am i looking at

>>5803179
A tray of shoveled cheeseburgers with cheese slices with a dash of cheeseburgers and bacon cheese and bacon.

>>5803147
I thought straight haired Pinky was psycho, not emo.

>>5803150
There's an extra level of creepiness because the body is disproportioned- the hands and head don't match the small human feet.

>>5803119
I'm strangely okay with this

THIS.
BECAUSE I WANT IT SO MUCH.
I LOVE EVA-01 YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND

>>5803385
I understand Piplup.
I understand.

>>5803385
Back the fuck up, where can I acquire that beautiful thing?

>>5803690
Seconded.

>>5803385
>eva1

Okay, so,
I hate that I don't have a fancy-looking guitar. My guitar plays great and sounds good, but it looks like shit.
I don't mean fancy-looking like I want diamonds on it. Just maybe some cool design on it and in a different color.
I sound like a lolita wanting burando.

>>5803717
Better than Rei's piece of shit

>>5803732
Take it apart and paint it?

>>5803740
Fuck yeah it is!

>>5803741
That'll change the tone of the guitar. Can't do that :/

my face is too angle-y and square to properly pull off anything cute.

>>5803788
Maybe a different haircut?

>>5803788
You forgot the gigantic bags under your eyes and there aren't enough kawaii freckles.

>>5803150
you are going to be so fucking mad when I do a lolita rabbit.

Loud people. I don't know what it is with them. It's like they've no consideration for those around them. "Hey, maybe Moose has a headache, we should calm the fuck down for a bit." HAHA, nope.
And people who take a picture of themselves with "nerd" glasses, hair in their faces and say "omgawsh, we're so em0! lol" "Oh, my cat scratched me near my wrist. I sure hope it doesn't look em0!"
Look, kid, you're not emo, nor have any reason to be; you're a fat, retarded Mexican with bad hair. Emo is a style we all left back in 2008, please leave it there.

>>5803385
I NEED THIS
I NEED THIS
I NEED THIS
WHERE IS IT?!

>>5803799
Oooh, like one of those creepy anime Ball Jointed Dolls? That would look SICK actually.

I'm sick of listening to spoiled little brats try to convince everyone that there are LEGITIMATE good reasons to buy replicas. All they are doing is justifying their own illegal and disrespectful behavior because they don't want to be judged for it. I didn't used to care that much, but the more they spout utter stupidity the more I'm starting to just hate them.

>>5803848
I shall clearly state then I buy replicas because I am cheap.

Does that make you feel better?

>>5803690
>>5803838
In the official Eva store.

I've got 2 IW dresses for the first time and I'm selling both because they look fucking retarded on me. Something about the cut/fit of the dresses. I usually look great in classic but something about these 2 dresses are just not working for me. Now I have to make another sales post even though I just got them. Damn.

>>5803876
In Japan?

On a side note I'm upset that this person I'm sort-of friends with because she always brushes off my critiques about her art.

I'm not being mean. She wonders why her stuff isn't selling and I try to tell her nicely it's because her anatomy is off. She doesn't want to study references because in her mind using references counts as cheating and/or copying so it's in line with art theft. And she also says she can't learn unless she sees it in front of her so video tutorials don't help at all. I've redlined a few things for her and she still says it doesn't help. And she never redraws her sketches. She treats them as the final thing even when there are things grossly off about them.

I keep telling her to scale down the chins on her figures but she disregards it since everyone praises her. She keeps telling me "you always say that". Well duh. It's because your women look like they have severe man-jaw. Stop it.

Also, this other girl is going to Japan (I miss it and want to go back) but spends a ton of cash on anime crap. She even wrote how she was happy that her husband wasn't mad that she spent over two hundred dollars out of their savings to buy something.

All of my rage.

>>5803879
I might want them, I am an IW afficianato ~ would you mind telling me which ones/size?

>>5803717
At least my favorite eva isn't mass produced.

>>5803876
and it's sold out bawww...
no idea if they ship internationally anyway though...

>>5803900
>spends money buying anime crap
I'm sure you've got hobbies too. And sometimes people go overboard once in a while, different strokes.

>>5803932
It's all she does though. She doesn't go to school or has a job. She spends all her time online buying things and then either collecting them or reselling.

Hobbies are one thing, but this is something else entirely. She was worried they wouldn't have enough money for the trip too.

>>5803910
Well I just sold one to one of my friends (it was IW's Toy Parade in gray)
I don't know the name of this one that I have left, but it's black and it's got a dotted fabric to it. Just looked through Hellolace and couldn't find it, so here's a shitty phone-camera pic.

>>5803979
shot of the bodice. It's a true black, my flash just made it look blue.
Also I swear the photos are showing up as upright on my comp. Not sure why they're not uploading upright.

>>5803119
The detail on that dress is gorgeous.
I ain't even mad.

>>5803848
I justify buying replicas because I can and there's nothing you can do to stop me. U mad?

>>5804132
I'm into classic, so no, I not mad. I don't even like prints. Buy away! Also, tfw there has been an MM replica for years now. Feels good man.

Everyone keeps telling me I'm too dark to do gothic lolita.

>>5803848
So you are saying there are now reasons to ever buy replica?

I am sick of people who know nothing about copyright law jumping on the replica debate calling all actions "immoral" and "illegal".

In the US copyright protects literary and artistic works, but not functional creations like fashion, recipies, perfume, furniture ect. The only exception is if the design is separable from the function, but then only the design in the barest form is protected. A dress with artwork on it (aka prints, logos) is protected, but only the print/logo is protected. You can make the exact same cut of the dress with the same pattern, fabric, colors, ect as much as you want.

So only print dresses apply, and only the artwork itself.

Japan's laws are even stricter to obtain but broader in application. Japan protects apparel, but the designer has to prove their outfit has never existed before, it's completely and utterly unique and a novelty. Then the novelty as a whole is protected, but only *exactly* like that in those *exact* colors and materials assuming it does not draw blatent inspiration from other areas. This makes registering non-print lolita pieces virtually impossible, because most are obvious derivatives from decades of historical fashion. Even if they do obtain copyright, the copyright only has 10 years and changing something as simple as the fabric, color, ect of non-print remake voids it.

The EU is somewhere in the middle of the two.

So if you want to bitch about replicas, you can really only bitch about prints and then only the print itself. Replicas of dresses (aka VM, MM, IW) or bags, or shoes even if the cut, colors, and fabric are identical don't qualify under US law, EU law, and a great deal of the time under Japanese law.

continued....

>>5804335 continued...

REGARDLESS, you can tell that people who are getting all fired up about replicas have little to no knowledge about the fashion industry and legal systems as a whole. The invisible capitalist hand of fashion is the need to innovate new designs before current designs are knocked of and replicated to the masses to the point of saturation aka popularity, whether this be in mainstream markets or niche markets. Copyright exists to protect INNOVATION. NOT PROFITS. The profits in some areas of copyright law represent the incentive to innovate, but they are not the same. In areas like pharmaceuticals or literary work copyright protects the profits to repay and surpass the vast amount of time spent in development and hence the primary motive for innovation. In fashion the motive for innovation is the overpopulation and saturation of prior ideas. Fashion houses make money by staying ahead of the game and everyone else makes money by producing derivatives and copies until the brands produce something new.

>>5804335
>>5804346
continued....

In short, it is the lack of copyrighted material compared to other areas and the proliferation of derivatives and copies that drives fashion, and this is reflected in the LACK of copyright laws in fashion. Seriously, there are less copyright laws in fashion than virtually any other artistic area you can think of by a HUGE margin, and fashion leads artistic endeavors (music, art, ect) in terms of profit and output by an equally HUGE margin. The US is the world's fashion leader in terms of both designer output and profit, yet it has the least amount of protection for fashion design among industrialized nations (ignoring China). Even countries like Japan and the EU, the scope of their copyright laws for fashion are few and far between when you compare the scope of their copyright for music, technology, ect. Part of that is because of the derivative nature of fashion with trends and history, but an equally large part is because market saturation drives the fast turnover of trends and styles. And market saturation is only enabled by derivatives and knockoff to the point that the style has become obtainable to everyone and is seen everywhere. Believe it or not, derivatives and knockoff exist in SYMBIOTIC relationship with brand names within fashion. Whether or not you find that system *moral* is SUBJECTIVE and up to you. It might be REALLY IMMORAL or maybe not, but it does WORK as part of the system and it is part of what is actually driving profits for both fashion designers and their copycats.

So if you want to get your panties in a frilly wad over art theft on PRINTS, feel free. But for anything else, and even for a bit of the former, you really REALLY don't get the system as a whole.

SERIOUSLY. YOU DON'T GET IT.

>>5804335
>>5804346
>>5804358
God, you must be really annoying to hang out with in real life.

>>5804395
/cgl/ : equates being informed with being annoying

>>5804395
You took the words right out of my mouth

>>5804423
If you need three posts to get your point across, you're just being annoying.

>>5804431
You're one of those who would say 'tl;dr', aren't yah?

Three posts were split up and written with thought and structure. It's what people do when they have a well formed opinion. In casual conversation it might be overdoing it, but in an open market thread like this it's not unwelcome.

I think everyone already is aware of the point you're trying to make- replicas of garments are too hard to prove so only replicating the print artwork is illegal. Obviously people make a much bigger deal of print replicas vs non-print replicas (which have been around for a very long time). When BL made the Fruits Parlor replica it was a big shitstorm since it was one of the first print replicas. You're acting like people don't know that and writing an essay about it thereby revealing your know-it-all false superiority about something everyone already knows about.

I'd still be pissed off if someone stole a design I made. Print or not. Just saying.

I find it hillarious that people think replica buyers care that the're buying illegal knock offs. seriously you expect them to just be like "oh noes I feel so bad ill never buy another replica again and become a good person" hell no, its like going onto a torrent site and telling people pirating is bad.
No one
gives
a shit

>>5804471
What's more annoying than them buying them are the stupid-ass excuses they make, even though they know it's illegal. If they really were all, "I don't give a fuck that I'm buying stolen art," okay, that's fine. If they're going to whine about brand being ~toooo expensiiiive~ or ~tooooo smalllll~ or whatever, they can shut the fuck up.

>>5804436
tl;dr ur a faget.

>>5804482
I don't understand why these aren't valid excuses? Or is it just the fact that they are excuses?

the only reason people hate on replica buyers is because they get their prints 10x cheaper
a print is a print no matter who makes it

I want to point out that everyone bitches about replica dresses, but never about all the replica shoes out there. How many lolis do you know own real tea parties?

>>5804445

Yes, replicas of garments are too hard to prove so only replicating the print artwork is illegal.

But replicas of print garments, while illegal, don't actually hurt the brands as much as people claim. And not because they are already sold out (which isn't always true) or because replica clients would never buy brand at brand prices anyway, or all the reasons that keep getting thrown around.

Lolita brand and replicas are part of a symbiotic relationship that is seen in all the areas I already went into detail about.

People don't have to like something so subjective. But this is one of those cases where what is "illegal" or "legal" is not the best indicator of whether or not the actions are harmful and detrimental to lolita fashion, the major brand houses, or the artists.

People act like they can validate or vilify one side or the other, but they are both part of the same damn system. People's loyalty to brand or replicas is also part of the system.The whole replica fight is part of market validation of the original product. The system is set up this way to enable fast fashion turnover. People act like there is a side to chose, but its all part of the fashion loop driving profits for all of the parties involved, like it or not.

Sorry if you find that wordy or redundant, but every replica debate I've seen seems to be missing that vital point. Because if you realize its all one symbiotic profitable relationship, there is no debate. There are no sides. Only moral offense at art theft which if theft only in the legal sense of the world and none of the traditional consequences.

I hope you are right that my posts were outdated and know-it-all on a subject that is well know and resolved. That way my months of building rage rant can die along with this farce of a debate.

>>5804548
Tl;dr fagget

>>5804548
what you dont realize is that no one actually cares. I spend 50$ I get my print.
>inb4 hurting brands, going against lolita ethics and all that crap

>>5804563
Yeah, and you get a dress that is shitty in comparison to the real deal.

>>5803150
This one needs a caption.

ordered a dress from Oo Jia. I gave her my measurements and it arrived too big T^T I bet she thinks all americans are fatties and that I lied about my measurements.

But I'm super tiny! Like, size zero... :(

People who make fantrolls for Homestuck who don't understand shit

Pic related, I have no clue who this bitch is but I wanna smack her for that bullshit

>>5804625
Also, people who are "wow lol deep and scurry and also i am insane and stuff rawr random"

>>5804637
Very much this.

My only issues with replicas are the fact that the majority of buyers I encounter talk about how IT'STHEBESTDESU, put down the original dresses and the girls that wear brand, and then turn around later and bitch about the quality.

Seriously? It's a replica. You bought a replica. Expect a replica. Don't be buttmad that you wanted fifteen replicas instead of saving for a dress or putting down the cake and losing weight for your ~dream dress~ you claim to love so much.

>>5804548
I bet you're the one who made that faggy replica secret last week.

I would love to buy the original of all the lolita dresses I want. But I can't justify spending $600+ for a used dressed that usually has stains on it and god knows what the girl did in it. Yeah I'd buy it if I could. And maybe I'm a cheap-ass for thinking $600 is too much. But considering I just want the dresses to feel pretty in and walk around and have fun it I'm OK buying replicas. It's not like the dress with further my socioeconomic status nor will it ever produce something of value like a new machine in a factory or a camera can.
If brands were still selling the dresses I want I would buy the brand over a replica. But seeing as how that's not the case- replica it is.

>>5804823
I seriously can't justify even a $300 dollar dress...and $200 is pushing it. So i understand.

If you insist on drawing bullshit furries/anthros in lolita and spamming it on facebook which is the bane of my existence, at least have some fucking artistic skill.

not the worst I've seen

http://egl.livejournal.com/17080454.html

I don't even mind furries in small doses. SMALL doses. But why the fuck is this even a thing

I want more money just so I can buy ... everything.
and I do have money but not enough to buy all the shit I want... I gotta save for the future. Grr

>>5804823
I don't like replicas, so I'm glad that I'm into classic and non-print, because I'd probably kill myself over the prices people place there dresses at used. I agree, it's just so shitty trying to find a good second-hand dress without the jacked up price, and while I understand economics, supply and demand, yada yada..... I still don't want to pay for someone's over-retail-price shitty stained and worn dress. Even when people say, "I want to get the price I paid for it!" It's fucking annoying, because, bitch, that is a USED DRESS.

Seeing the most amazing pair of shoes, but having size 10 feet and being unable to fit into anything.

>>5803385
i have the unit 2 one.

honestly.. wouldn't recommend getting it. quality's really bad. i am dissapoint.

>>5804908
i'm a 10.5~11 I know dat feel

>>5804346
I was with you until this. Most laws exist to protect people's property, intellectual and otherwise. Innovation worth protecting by law is so tied up in profits that separating them for the purpose of this argument is arbitrary and superfluous.

Brands do care and have spoken out about their designs being copied. They don't like it. Even if the protection they can seek under the law is limited to prints doesn't entitle Oo jia or DoL or any one else to profit from stolen artwork.

Tell yourself whatever you want but don't expect anyone else to buy your excuses.

>>5804835
Everyone compliments her drawings because she's a cute girl or w/e. If she wasn't they would shit bricks

>>5803150

I thought this was meant to be the wolf from Little Red Riding Hood at first glance.

>>5803847
Thats the plan.

>>5804358
OP of the bit about getting irritated about replicas.

To clarify it's the prints and when they use the logos that bothers me as a graphic designer, and I have read up on the law.

>>5803979

Just by the way you might want to use lolibrary if you are looking for things that aren't super popular prints. There tends to be more stuff there. I don't see this particular dress on a quick search for dots or stripes under innocent world though.

>>5805336
Nonloli example, but what about when, like, every single shoe company started to produced exact ripoffs of this Alexander McQueen? From Steve Madden to Forever 21. It's not a print or a logo, it's a design. And you can bet they sued them.

>>5805000
>Innovation worth protecting by law is so tied up in profits that separating them for the purpose of this argument is arbitrary and superfluous.

Go google patent, design patent, and copyright. Come back when you actually have the slightest clue what the fuck you're talking about.