PoC make me ashamed to be a PoC, she can't be any worse than reverse racists.

>>5640347
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I'm black. I cosplay. That's it. All this, "blah blah blah minority in cosplay blah blah check your privilege whitey" bullshit keeps us back more than anything else.

Is there a problem, anon?
You might want to tell Soni herself instead of projecting your butthurt on /cgl/

>>5640380

What the flying fuck shit is OP doing? Soni will see it here, now that's much simpler, duh! Who wants to put up with a reply back from Soni, anyway?

I tried, but my messages on Tumblr have gone ignored. And I dislike using poc, but I dislike using/hearing minority more. We're all just people.

I think you don't understand her intentions. Being someone other than Asian or White makes cosplay more difficult because finding someone you identify with or look like, in cosplay choice or scene may be more difficult.

I'm not saying I agree with the Tumblr harpies who think being dark skinned makes you oppressed or magically means you've had a life of struggle. However, not all positive or informative race discussion means the person in question is a "social justice warrior" crusader.

You guys are just looking to stir drama over petty shit. You are almost as bad as the people who think all feminists=misandrist lesbians.

Can we turn this into a Social Justice rage thread? I like those

>>5640390
Not really. It's like seeing a hamburger on the plate in the kitchen, saying you're hungry but you make another burger when the first was intended to be taken inthe first place. Making a new thread "outing" someone seems like such a bother when you could very well talk to her on FB in the first place.

>>5640400
This? I'm half black, but look like a mix of everything else under the sun. Get mistaken for Hispanic ALOT. Anyways, I can see where Soni is going since I too sometimes get alot of bullshit irl alone about my skin tone, my background concerning ethnicity and my family alone has gotten alot of unneeded shit because we were black kids raised by white parents in a predominantly white community. She's making it seem a little extreme by making panels? Yaya made a Socialogy based panel. People make panels on bullshit like this once in a while, it's just the person who goes about doing it that makes people pissed off.
If you really really disagree with someone, tell them. I know its hard for some people like OP but c'mon we're not all that socially awkward are we?

>>5640406
The Otherkin seriously need psychiatric help.

THEY ARE PSYCHOTIC.

>>5640423

>Not really. It's like seeing a hamburger on the plate in the kitchen

Awful analogy. Also you aren't taking into account that their reply on FB wouldn't be anonymous.

>>5640445

No they don't and no they aren't. They're attention whores who get off on people saying there's something wrong with them. They want to feel special by claiming they're different when in fact it's all an act. I don't doubt there are people who feel that way but they are certainly a minority and they don't go blogging about it like children.

I think this has to do with Soni getting butthurt because Jessie painted herself brown

http://nickbutt.tumblr.com/post/19914946054/white-woman-thinks-its-okay-to-paint-her-skin

>>5640468
I never understood why that kind of thing is offensive in costumes. Blackface is one thing, because it's a stereotypical black character and is directly taking the piss out of black people, but if you want to dress up as a character with a different skin colour to you, why is it offensive? It's just doing it for accuracy.

>>5640468
So in other words
>I can cosplay as white people but you can't cosplay as brown people because you have more white characters to choose from

>>5640474
>I never understood...

It's because you've never experienced something like it (racism) so you're ignorant to the fact.

>>5640479
Me being white doesn't mean that some girl using darker foundation for the accuracy her cosplay is racist.

>>5640478
>>5640479
Meh, honestly, I think there are times when Soni and 4ng3l are legitimately offended by Jessie and there are other times where they aren't. I'm friends with both on facebook, been on Soni's tumblr before this Anthy cosplay drama and Soni's always been standing on that soapbox. It doesn't have anything to do with her painting her skin and if she/he did have something to say about it, they'd say it differently.

Jessie's just mad that she looked like fucking Snookie in that costume and now needs a reason to justify it.

>>5640479

It's privileged to be white and racist to want to be black. lol.

there are plenty of male characters for 4ng31 to cosplay, why does he need to cosplay females?

>>5640507
Because he cosplays characters he likes and not for desperate attention. =3

>>5640507
Lol anon, convenient when it's 4ng3l right?
Ask that to the many male and female crossplayers.
Try a little harder

>>5640488
except that Jesse mentioned her because she was saying she didn't care if people of other races cosplayed outside their race. Soni was just looking for an excuse to be offended so that she could make a big deal out of nothing. As usual.

>>5640479
And obviously, all crossplayers are being discriminative against transgender people.

>>5640501

>implying you wouldnt fuck Snooki

a chubby brown skinned latina with big boobs
exactly your type

>>5640514

Oh and just for the record, she hates it when I do female characters and generally refuses to help with anything in the creation process...so that point is moot.

>>5640516
Again if she had something to say about a particular person, she'd call the out directly.

Soni, shut up. You're tan but not THAT tan that it's difficult to cosplay characters . If people want to cosplay dark skinned characters, let them, just like you cosplay white/light skinned characters. It's not offensive if they color their skin to match the character's look. Now I often question why they decided on that specific character out of thousands of other characters that they could probably do better, but I'm not assuming they did it to be a bitch. I was defending you until this point. If you're going to make an exception, make an exception for EVERYONE, not just yourself. At least she painted her skin. You know how tired I am of seeing white Anthy cosplayers that look like a chubby Midwestern girls?

omg gaiz lyk jessie rufflebutt protected her tweets becuz u gai r sew meeeaaannnn

>>5640522
Why do you hate Jessie?

You know what, I was about to pass this thread by without a second word. Infact, I even closed the tab and went to tumblr. Where I found this clusterfuck all over my dash.
The opening post of this is >>5640468

>>5640595
and part 2

>>5640576
I hate her because I know her. I know the fucked up shit she's done to me, to my friends and to completely random people. A lot of people will defend her just for internet cred and that's fine...but behind that, she's a shitty person out only for herself and she will take advantage of anyone or anything to get what she wants.

This is where PoC gets messy. There are plenty of ethnicities that can be grouped under PoC with varying tones of skin. I'm middle eastern but my skin isn't that dark, is it offensive if I cosplay someone with a major tan?

Am I no longer a PoC, even though my mother and grandfather are both caramel coloured?

Cosplay is about fantasy. Be whoever you want to be regardless of your gender or the colour of your skin. It's not racist unless you're legitimately intending it to be or making an insensitive ethnic parody like oldschool blackface.

>>5640603
Holy shit this is fucking hilarious coming from you.

>>5640603

you are jessie are just two peas from the same pod

you act like a cunt and are proud of it
why hate jessie for doing the same things you do?

>>5640602
>it's unacceptable for a white person to cosplay another race for any reason and with any method

And that person is complaining about racism? How is this not far more racist than anything else in that clusterfuck?

>I'm Hispanic but blablabla...

"Hispanic" isn't a race/genetic archetype. If you're Hispanic, you're either of south american native, African slave, or straight up white colonist descent. You will most likely be a thorough mixture of all three, with variances in black depending on where you live. Dom. Republic is full of black people, while Argentina has white people. You're only hispanic if you come from a Spanish-speaking country. The language is the only factor that matters. That's it. Guhh, this bitch really sounds like she's just trying to feel like a prosecuted minority.

>>5640614
This is the same girl who throws around the word "nigger" and thinks it's ok cause she has black "friends".

This is what they're arguing about.

Am I a bad person for not being offended? Like, Anthy is a brown person, so she made herself brown. IDG the issue.

>>5640602

"some people will get offended, even if they have no logical reason to be, so dont do it"

tumblr scum "logic"

>>5640627
No. I'm a 'PoC' and I'm not offended in the slightest. She's just trying to accurately represent the character, who cares?

I make myself paler for pale characters, I don't see the difference.

i did not know this was such a huge issue! i will now have to wear blackface whenever it is at all possible. it's glorious that trolling in the 21st century is so damned easy.

keep up the good work, social justice types.

>>5640627
That looks more like a heavy tan

>>5640627
I'm not even offended but then again, the only people who have a right to be offended are the Indians.

>>5640633
This. She's not being offensive, she's just trying to accurately portray a character. We have threads here all the time for being asking advice on how to make their skin paler for characters, why is is suddenly an issue when cosplayers go darker for costumes?

>>5640627
that looks good!

and tbh, i don't see a problem with fake tans/darker skin for a cosplay. it's ANIME, you guys. ANIME.

>>5640468
I always want to throw a brick at shit like this. Cosplay is portraying a particular character. I don't care if they're black, white, tan, blue, green, grey, orange, polka dot, whatever. I don't give a fuck if you choose to lighten, darken, etc... your skin for the character. The whole point is to PORTRAY the character. Look at all the shit we put ourselves through. We wear contacts, wigs, bald caps, pad our chest, bind our chests, paint ourselves every color of the rainbow, wear corsets, ungodly uncomfortable shoes, prosthetic teeth, eye patches, and an untold number of other things to modify the look of our body to match a character.

Guess what? People can LIKE characters of other races! You can't tell me I can't go and use some spray tan if the character has a darker complexion then me. Just like I can't go and tell my darker skinned friends to use a lighter foundation to lighten their skin.

I think it's more racist to turn around and yell at somebody for cosplaying a character outside their race. We're FUCKING GEEKS IN COSTUMES, why do so many people forget this. How many cosplayers get shit just for cosplaying period? Regardless of race. Many are looked down on as the shit of society and a bunch of freaks. Stop throwing fucking white privilege and racist bullshit into the mix.

>>5640627
That's what you're arguing about, she looks fine. I was thinking she went completely black face. You guys are some babies if you're honestly offended by that. It's no secret Anthy is tan and so she made herself tan, she didn't slap on black/brown paint and looked like an idiot she took her time and made it look good. My goodness I know there's a time & place for social justice and what not but really in cosplay? Come on Soni, I can't help but feel the only reason you're talking about this is because it's Jessie, has it been anyone else you would even care.

>implying Anthy is even black

She has purple hair and her eyes take up roughly 38% of her head.

I kind of feel that this Hispanic chick is just made because a white girl was able to make a dark skinned character look better then she ever could.

>>5640650

This 100%.

this sort of thing has been going around forever, so why is Soni only posting about it now?

because its Jessie

isnt ichigokitty part black yet she uses makeup to darken herself I guess she is racist

how long before this drama causes Soni to "quit cosplay" for the 12th time?

>>5640595
So basically her whole issue with this is some white bitch decided to cosplay a non-white character with the appropriate skin color so it's racist? I'm guessing if said white bitch cosplayed Anthy WITHOUT the skin color, she'd be harassed for erasing her identity or whatever those social justice people call it.

>>5640686
yes, the implicit argument is that only black people can cosplay black characters.

anthy isnt even black, her eyes are green and her hair is purple
PURPLE

Why hasn't Soni cosplayed Roberta from Black Lagoon?

>>5640701
Well, according Soni, it's more like if you're white you can't cosplay ANY character of color, no matter what color it is because there are MILLIONS of white characters and only so many non-white ones so white cosplayers don't get to cosplay them while any cosplayer of color can cosplay whatever the fuck they want.

Because obviously it's white cosplayers that make anime and decide on what skin color characters are.

>>5640708
That and she's Indian.

>>5640710
But white people aren't Asian...

>>5640713
It's a pretty stupid argument.

Why isn't Soni cosplaying an ass? What's more hispanic than that?

The only thing I find offensive is that Jessie isn't permanently brown.

This sounds really interesting actually. Is Soni pursuing a degree in Ethnic Studies through CUNY?

>Soni Cosplay
>Ehh... I was leaning more towards there are such a limited number of characters of color that I really don't have a choice in the manner of having to resort cosplaying characters who are white.
>18 hours ago

...because white people make up all of Japan so whenever you see an anime character that has pale skin, brown hair, speaks Japanese, lives in Japan, and goes to school in Japan... they're actually white.

>>5640733
hehe... cuny...

>>5640728
The only thing I find offensive is that Jessie looks malnourished and that her chin knocks people down everytime she turns her head.

>>5640738

CUNY has an amazing program offered through the Center for Ethnic Studies and Africana/Puerto-Rican/Latin Studies Program via Hunter College.

>THERE IS NO GOOD/RIGHT/ACCEPTABLE WAY FOR WHITE PEOPLE TO COSPLAY POC. Period!
>But I'm not going to sit here and tell you what you should and shouldn't do.

No, you're just going to be a total asshole. You automatically assume all pale faced anime characters are white, which they aren't. They're Japanese. If a character is WHITE then they're portrayed usually as a stupid foreigner with an accent or in English. As few people of color there are in anime, they are equally as few white characters.

Assuming that everyone with pale skin color is white, is in fact racist.

>>5640627
I don't see the big fucking deal either. To me she just looks like another tanorexic. The skin tone she used isn't even that much darker than what I see at the beach on the super dark bleach blonds.

>>5640602
Holy damn that person took it too far. Are they seriously stuck in 1800's theater circles or something? That shit is not offensive. Blackface was offensive because it was racist bullshit used by white people to make fun of black people. She's just cosplaying a dark skinned character. Two different things. She's not going on about racial superiority. It's just a fictional fucking character. More often than not a cosplayer putting on dark make looks bad anyway because the bone structure gives it away, but she has more than a right to cosplay Anthy.

>>5640623
Pretty much this.

guys, i'm pretty offended here.

>>5640733
Social Work through the University of Pittsburgh.

BASW in Social Justice Warrior, yo.

These guys are fucking racists.

>>5640764

>>5640764

Disgusting, they need to check their privilege.

>>5640768
That doesn't make any fucking sense.

As a 'poc' (i.e. read darkish half-black) my first thought on seeing that picture was 'shit looks stupid'. What gets me more about this thread is a bunch of white people trying to define racism for black people. Seriously, gtfo.

>>5640778
And what i see is black people trying to define racism for indians/

>>5640627
It just looks like she has a shitty spray-on tan.
Should I be offended at every girl who gets a shitty spray on tan? Because i would be get a rage-induced aneurysm from walking by all the girls with crappy spray on tans all day long on campus. A good 40% of white girls in my university have shitty-looking spray on tans.

She wanted to be accurate, so she got a tan. Ohhh nooooooo.

>>5640765
Why are you such a giant cunt.

Do you have any hobbies outside of cosplay? Water a plant, mow a lawn, play a video game or something.

I am so offended.

why stick to race and not other physical characteristics?

there are plenty of characters with womanly figures, so why cosplay a loli?

>>5640627

Ya know, I've seen pics of JNig looking this color. Is she racist now because of it? Or, you know, is it just a tan?

>>5640778

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_man_group

>>5640793

He is also quite effeminate, dresses as an old woman, in gay kink gear and I've been told he supported terrorists in the UK. Truly a despicable 'man'.

This offends me.

>>5640807
Get that racist shit out of here!

>>5640765

Oh, that's awesome! Good luck!

Hey guys what's going on in he-
>>5640595
>>5640602
Hehehehehehehe...

>>5640791
My hobbies are being a warrior for social justice. Sorry, call me whatever you want, but I will never budge on this subject and will always make my stance very clear.

Do I think everyone should cosplay as whomever they want? Yes. Should they change their skin color, and this goes for people of all races and ethnicities? No, but that's my opinion. Do people still do it? Clearly.

My issue is the fact that she decided to put the fact that I was Hispanic and I cosplay as non-hispanic characters to as one justification for doing what she did and I'm sorry, but you don't get to use me to push your own agenda especially when I don't agree with it. Has she not fucking mentioned me, I would'n't have given two shits about what she wrote, but she went ahead and did it, and I can't, in good conscious, be put into that "Token Hispanic 'Friend'" role, a role that I absolutely detest. I would've loved to never have seen this, but when its being reblogged all over my dashboard and the 700 someodd mutual friends we have on my cosplay account and herself and commenting, it's very hard for me to ignore it.

So you guys can say all sorts of things about how I'm wrong and I'm a cunt, but this is one issue, especially when it directly involves me (cause let's face it, I'm the person she's talking about), I'm gonna say something about it.

The issue of minorities in cosplay and the blatant racism we experience inside and outside of the hobby has always been one of the things I've be interested to talk about, far before this whole thing erupted into the mess it is and it just reaffirms my stance.

So if you're offended by my opinion, that's all on you, but you won't be changing it. I respect that your opinions won't change either, and that's fine.

>>5640824

Finally someone posts Mister Popo. Been watching this drama since last night and no one thought of posting him? I mean, he actually /is/ blackface.

>>5640827

Soni did you even /read/ what Jessie said? She mentioned you in the context of someone claiming she mocked PoC cosplayers for cosplaying non-PoC characters and then turned around and did this. She did not mention you as justification for her painting her skin. Just in pointing out that no she has not ever cared if PoC cosplay "white" characters and has never mocked them for it.

You really /are/ reaching for things to get mad about, crap in a hat.

>>5640827
Except you're retarded and that's not what she was saying. Someone stated that she said people of other races couldn't cosplay white people, she used "her former Hispanic cosplay partner" as an example of her not caring about non white people cosplaying white characters. The truth is you WANTED to have a problem and you WANTED to start something because you are a drama whore.

>>5640835
Anything I say will just be me breaching whatever little ethical ties I retain with her out of respect. That's all.

I have a black friend who can turn anything into a race issue. A lot of our discussions end with me not really being able to express my own opinion on these issues because I'm white and "just won't ever get it."

When it comes to cosplay her biggest complaint is that <1% of black anime characters have normal black hair, its usually purple or white. I don't think she would be complaining about this as much if she wasn't skinny and pretty. I know of plenty of other black and white folks alike who have even more limited cosplay options because of their looks or build.

>>5640846

>I pretty much don't have shit to say cus you all found me out
>I'm just an annoying dramawhore, sorry

>>5640846
Which is Soni talk for "No, I didn't realize but I'm not going to apologize because she's white and I don't have to apologize to whites."

>>5640848

Christ, tell her to wear a wig like everyone else.

>>5640846

That's a funny way of saying "I'm sorry I read that wrong."

>>5640858
Or it might be that S0ni knows more about Jessie than anyone else in this thread.

Let's get this started
>>>/pol/

>>5640858
I'm not trying to say that. All I know is that you can't believe everything you read on the internet.

>>5640842
>>5640835
Sup Jessie and Jenni? Don't you losers have anything better to do than self-defend all day long? Hell Jessie, you might try actually getting a job and finally being a productive member of society for once!

>>5640863

I highly doubt that her using Soni as an example was secret code for anything nefarious.

If Soni "knew Jessie better" and knew she has done some mocking of people based on skin tone, she would have said that. Not taken what Jessie said and summed it up as "She was using me as a justification how dare she!"

She read it wrong plain and simple.

>>5640855
When I mentioned that having natural black hair actually make it easier/more comfortable to hold wigs in place I think that's when the subject changed.

She even got mad at me once because I didn't agree with her that everyone in anime looks white because the Japanese just really really wish they were white. She also believes that they are especially racist towards blacks, but doesn't seem to grasp that the Japanese are racist against every other culture. Even ones that mostly look like them like Koreans and Chinese.

>>5640874

Man, 4ng, I wish I was Jessie then I'd be a pretty fantastic costume but the closest you came is I'm an ex-cosfu'er. One who apparently has better reading comprehension than you or your girlfriend.

Degrees of separation count I guess in a way?

>>5640883
FYI, when you two leave your twitter accounts wide open for the world to see your shit talking back and forth, people take notice. I don't even know what you're talking about with the rest of your post though?

Another excosfuer here who felt the Blaz Blue pair at Ohayo were seriously screwed over by the masq results.

Then I found out they were bitching about it, then didn't care.

Then found out it was 4ng3l and Soni and it all made sense.

>>5640875
I don't think Soni has it in her to put Jessie on the spot for saying something and practicing something else. Maybe that's what she means by "breech of ethical ties"

>>5640896

Let me simplify I'm not either of the two you think I am. The closest I am to Jessie is we both used to be on cosfu together and I apparently have better reading comprehension skills then a monkey.

>>5640905

Which she only ran to after she was called out on being stupid. If that's what she meant that's what she would have said. Not "She's using me as justification for tanning herself! How DARE she!"

>>5640905
Nah it just means she's wrong and can't stand to apologize when she gets called out on it. Nothing new. Been like this for years.

>BAWW EVERYONE HATES ME

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy

>DEY MUS HATE ME CAUSE I'M BLACK DEY ALL BE RACISS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

this entire thread is twat cancer and the fan brigade. you people are pathetic

>>5640937
Welcome to /cgl/?

Just wanted to say, quit ya'lls bitchin about not having characters to cosplay because ”oh noes, I have dark skin” do some research. There may not be a dark skinned character in every series but they are not that rare. I have a large folders fu
l of dark skinned characters that little to no one has done. Even obvious ones like Iris here.

Also, my phone is being fucktarded with the typing please excuse the horror.

>>5640922

Pretty much. It's funny because people have more respect for someone who can admit when they screwed up on something.

>>5640937
I'm not admitting I'm wrong when I know I'm not. I'm just not going to give you guys the joy of seeing me play dirty against someone that used to be my best friend, no matter how much I can't stand her now. Now, I have to cook dinner and head to class.

POSTAN POTENTIAL DARK COSPLAYS

>>5640961
>play dirty against someone that used to be my best friend

So posting it all over facebook and tumblr wasn't playing dirty?

>>5640961

It's too late for that, sweetie. You've already won the ex-best friend bitch award.

>>5640961

>I'm just not going to give you guys the joy of seeing me play dirty against someone that used to be my best friend

>Posting shit on 4chan

>>5640961

No. You were wrong. You said she used you as justification for painting her skin and that's why you were offended. She didn't. She used you as an example that she doesn't mock poc cosplayers and doesn't care if they cosplay light-skinned characters.

If she actually does, then that's a horse of a different color, but that's not what you were saying at all. Seriously, Soni, saying "Whoops, my bad" isn't that hard of a thing.

>>5640967
Hahahahahaha I know right? Not to mention coming over here and having a mini rant, then getting mad and making excuses when everyone here calls her out. This hypocrisy is delicious.

>>5640965
>>5640975
>>5640985

The name of the character as well as the series generally helps when posting potential cosplays.

I know poc stands for people of color but in my head I always read the acronym as "piece of crap."

>>5641004

>>5640985
I know she's from the original Bakugan series, don't know her name. The other two, I dunno...but one has a cosplayhouse watermark so someone's making costumes for it.

>>5641009
I always think "point of collection."

>>5641009
I think Pirates of the Caribbean.

>>5640967
Seriously.

No matter how much Soni and her boy bitch say about Jessie, when it comes to the internet, Jessie always looks far far FAR better.

>>5640965
Fuck...
>>5641004
Basquah!
>>5640975
It's in the image
>>5640985
Bakugan

Crap, got to go back to work. Easy modo:
>danbooru
> dark_skin tag
> fucking gold

Leaving with future brown skin from eureka seven

In my opinion, everyone should be allowed to cosplay anyone of any race. For me cosplay has never been about becoming the character, it's about dressing up as a character you love while still being you (just in a costume). As far as changing your skin tone to match the characters, it gets a bit trickier. I think subtle changes in skin tone is acceptable I.e. getting a tan in the sun or using a slightly lighter or darker foundation than usual. However when people go from white to 20 shades darker or vice versa it looks unnatural and seems unnecessary. Jessie for instance looks orange here

Doesn't Soni come from a fairly well-to-do middle class background?

I know white, eastern european immigrants who are far worse off and far harder worker than her.

>>5641081
Agree. I'm not a fan of having to have a "deep personal connection" with a character. I have more fun building the illusion of the character.

>people bitching about white and male privilege not existing
>people who say that racism and sexism are over
>misogynistic opinions shared by the masses deemed sexist against men

Everyone has problems in their life but as a white male you get off easy on a number of issues due to circumstances beyond your control. It's not your fault, but please recognize this and work to be empathetic towards minority's plights.
That is all. Peace out.

>>5641103
It's more that she's a social worker that scares me. You think she'd be smarter about this...

>>5640423
>unneeded shit because we were black kids raised by white parents in a predominantly white community.

Mulattos resent the fact that they can never be “white,” and must accept a lower status as a “black.” They become hostile towards whites, who are the higher status group, even though they would have an even lower status if they were not partly white. Thus, whites who have mulatto children create enemies of whites, including themselves, another reason for whites to oppose miscegenation.

>>5641117
What does this thread have to do with misogyny? How does cosplaying darker-skinned characters show a lack of empathy?

Thanks for the useless post!

You faggots need to check in with the real world. Painting yourselves black for "ACCURACY" doesn't mean dick to someone who's not hooked on your weeb cartoons. It's fucking offensive as hell. Try wearing that shit out on the street and see what happens. It is NOT right. You can't compare it to crossdressing, or painting yourself a fantasy color, or anything else.

And those of you putting yourself in the place of token black/POC/whatever role? "Oh I totally think this is okay, use me as an example when you need to justify how okay this is--you've talked to a REAL BLACK PERSON and they gave you the okay!" Do all of you realize how degrading that is? It's not okay.

Seriously, knock this shit off. No one's telling black/POC/whatever to put on whiteface for "ACCURACY" so why the fuck do you feel you need to do that as a white person? Is it so wrong to just cosplay whatever the fuck you want and not feel the need to change your RACE to do it?

>"You not realizing your own white privledge is proof of your white privledge."

It's a kafka-trap, a typical liberal attack. You are guilty no matter what you do.

feminist version: http://gynotheory.blogspot.com/2011/02/false-consciousness-kafka-trapping.html

Of shit, looks like someone cried to PC police.

Hi guis!

Pic related.

ohumad.
umaddumaddd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43V6wA4Y75Q

>>5641133
She didnt paint herself black, she painted herself indian.
What is is with black people thinking any melanin in the skin makes someone black.
I'm pakistani, stop lumping us together.

>>5641133

Is it black face if the character is Indian? If the end result people wouldn't know you painted your skin unless you told them? Or if the end result simply looked like another of you ethnicity with a really deep tan?

Everyone screaming "blackface" and offensive seem to be under the delusion that Anthy is black when she isn't. She's Indian, like from India Indian. That's about as black as a Native American.

So honestly, the only people who can tell us if they're offended or not are Indian people. None of whom I've seen bitch. On tumblr it was mostly white SJ activists with the occasional 15 year old black girl. Here it's one Latino chick.

Where are the Indians on this matter?

>>5641185
Oh look, another quality post by "God". How valuable you are around here.

I don't think some of you know what blackface is, look up blackface & minstrel shows and then look at jessies pictures that's obviously not the same thing. Calm your tits, stop making a big deal out of nothing, this is cosplay we've seen this pe of thing before with people changing their skin to portray the character e only reason why this thread is getting such a response is because it typical Soni with her high school behavior.

You know how it becomes not offensive? If everyone keeps doing it. Then it'll always be around and people will get over it.

>>5641209
This so much. It's canon that Anthy is from India too.
What always gets me when the "blackface" argument comes up is that most people have no clue what blackface looks like. It's not about just darkening your skin.

TBH, the girl could've tanned herself enough to be that color without makeup. Look at Jnigs or Snooki, queens of fakebake/tanning. Is she being racist because she chooses to have darker skin? Are people who wear suntan colored pantyhose being racist? Are people using bronzer being racist? Seriously.

There's a huge difference between darkening skin and blackface. It's more than color changing. Blackface used to be used for minstrel shows and would incorporate very dark brown or black face paint and huge light colored lips drawn on. In addition to the obvious caricature, they would act in a mocking way. So simply being darker/tanner than normal and acting in a respectful/non mocking way isn't even close to the concept of blackface.

Pic related.

Pic related

>>5641213
More valuable than you ;3. You honestly mad over this? Stop being so easily offended, you won't go very far... well you could run for president.

>>5641235

This. Mister Popo is a prime modern example of blackface. Yet no one bitches about him. And cosplayers have been changing their skintone for years. Not just in terms of going grey, green, blue, etc.

I have tanned myself out for doing Jack Sparrow. This Esmeralda? She's actually /very/ fair, she's not actually Roma. Ichigokitty changed her skintone for Jasmine, she's not really Arabic.

Why is it a big deal here? Because it's Jessie.

>>5641133
>Painting yourselves black for "ACCURACY" doesn't mean dick to someone who's not hooked on your weeb cartoons.

Good thing those people wont be exposed to it then.

>Try wearing that shit out on the street and see what happens.

No one is painting their skin in normal life.

But I'm not sure what your argument is here. What will happen? They will get assaulted? And that's their fault is it? Sounds like blaming the victim.

Its also got nothing to do with whether its actually right or not.

>>5641250
ohlook.

>>5641204
Many Black (and some white) anime fans think brown=black. They take that shit everywhere and almost no one calls them out on it. It boggles my mind. There are 3 other continents where people have dark skin tones and SE Asia is the closest Japan gets to brown. Africa is way farther away.

>>5641263
I'd cosplay mr popo, and fuck anyone who talks shit about it.
Want to know why no one talks shit about mr popo? He isn't human.

>>5641263

For reference. The Esmeralda with her natural skintone.

>>5641283

I love Mister Popo but he is an actual blackface character. And if we're going to be screaming about it should be at actual blackface not fake tanning girls.

You know what? As someone who deals with racism, getting worked up over this is ridiculous. Honestly, it's harmless.

If people really give a fuck about racism, I'd rather they were addressing actual issues instead of blowing petty shit out of proportion.

>>5641263
>>5641285

How dare she change her skintone to cosplay Esmeralda! There are plenty of pale characters she could have done.

Offending gypsies and other tan Europeans like that... the nerve!

>>5640468
Who is this nickbutt person that posted this in the first place? Seems like this whole thing was just someone fishing for drama where there was none in the first place.

>>5641279
People don't even realize there are naturally darker people in Japan, they just get painted as white people all the time. Okinawa tends to have the darkest people from Japan due to its location.

I just wanna see people dressed up in costumes that they like. This shit, I've never seen it happen in real life, does it happen as much as the internet makes it seem? Or has that changed since cosplay is more competitive in nature than before?

>>5641314

Actually Roma are more closely related to Indians than Europeans. They migrated to Europe. So this girl changing her skintone to match Esmeralda is about the same as Jessie changing her skin for Anthy. Which is funny because in the book Esmeralda was a French girl kidnapped by the Gypsies.

Also, go educate yourself on the Roma people and the racism they face before you start with the sarcasm dude. Especially if you're a social justice all racism is bad type.

>>5640827
tl;dr

>>5641360
You sound racist. Just like the girls who changed their skintone.

>>5641360
>Racism they face

Hungarian here. The stereotype about Roma being predisposed to criminality isn't without merit. Stop romanticizing them and blaming Whites you idiot.

>>5640827
>lol i'm above u gaiz i spent hours tryng to defend myself against anonymous

>>5641390

Just like the stereotypes about blacks am I right?

>>5641414
Yes, blacks are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime whether it's America, Britain, Switzerland or Japan. Failing to see the problem here.

>>5641430

So you admit to being racist. Or you're just trolling. I honestly can't tell anymore.

>>5641430
I'm pretty sure whites just get away with more...

>>5641451
Yes, it's not like virtually every place black people gather in large numbers is an unpleasant place to live.

Everyone commits crime at exactly the same rate, right?

I really hope you're trolling by the way.

>>5641447
Yes, I'm a "racist" in that I'm a white person who is proud of his European heritage and refuses to be browbeaten by you people.

Come at me bro.

>>5641474

this might be the worst thread ever

>>5641519

Only when the trolls and/or the faggots from the other boards are feeling talkative. It's best to just ignore them.

I can't believe anyone would seriously claim that the reason blacks are overrepresented in violent crime figures is because of some kind of tacit white conspiracy. Come on now people.

>>5641474
Hey bro, look up redlining and white flight. That's what turns where blacks go into shitty places.

That's basic Sociology 101.

And it's not some big white conspiracy. We're just given the message from a young age through the media that black people are more likely to misbehave/commit crimes and watch them more closely then we do white people. It's not hard. Yes, there are black people who commit crimes, but a black person is also more likely to get caught for shoplifting or for other crimes. They're also more likely to be poor and resort to crime to make ends meet.

That's just basic life 101.

>>5641542
>didn't say anything about violent crimes.

>>5641576
>Hey bro, look up redlining and white flight. That's what turns where blacks go into shitty places.

So black people need to live in close proximity to white people to have good neighborhoods? You're actually admitting that?

Why doesn't this rule also apply to East Asians?

>>5641576
So, what causes the Black Rage in a fully black society like that of Ethiopia? Their homicide rate of 25.5 per 100,000 (2008 WHO data) is suspiciously similar to the African American homicide offending rate of 25.4 per 100,000 (the average of 2000, 2004 and 2005 US Bureau of Justice Statistics).

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/Homicide/Homicide_level.xlsx

http://www.columbia.edu/~rs328/Homicide.pdf

The Ethiopians were not colonized during the Scramble for Africa, and in all of their history have suffered only five years of Italian occupation and 13 years under communism. Nothing particularly horrible in comparison to the nations of Eastern Europe or Southeast Asia like Ukraine or Vietnam or Cambodia - all of which are, however, much safer.

Another liberal excuse for nigger violence, please.

>>5641576
>They're also more likely to be poor

Granted

>resort to crime to make ends meet

Why didn't this apply to the first Chinese arrivals in California? In the 1920s even the Chinese had a ridiculously low crime rate, and this was in heavily urban areas too.

>redlining

Redlining is a symptom of black failure, not a cause. If blacks had good credit ratings, banks wouldn't need to redline black areas, would they?

>We're just given the message from a young age through the media that black people are more likely to misbehave/commit crimes and watch them more closely then we do white people.

I'd argue the media's image of black people is overwhelmingly positive to the degree it's completely detached from reality. Look at Mad Men, House, The Wire etc. I remember a Korean girl told me once before she came to America, she had the impression all black people were kind, jovial middle class professionals because that's the media image of them that is presented.

>>5641576
>They're also more likely to be poor and resort to crime to make ends meet.

Explain why they are more likely to commit sexual assault then.

Take a lesson from The Boondocks: Nigger Synthesis. That answers all questions.

>>5641599
>Explain why they are more likely to commit sexual assault then.

Racis whitey won' give him da white pussay dey owe dem fo' slav'ry

>Why didn't this apply to the first Chinese arrivals in California? In the 1920s even the Chinese had a ridiculously low crime rate, and this was in heavily urban areas too.

You really don't know why they wouldn't hire the Chinese when they immigrated over, do you?

>>5641603
>Take lessons from a show written by a black nationalist

No. Of course he's not going to admit it's because nigs have an average IQ of 70.

>>5641611
You're being obtuse, that has nothing to do with what I said. Chinese immigrants in the early 20th century, despite sometimes gut wrenching poverty had ridiculously low crime rates. The fact is the correlation between poverty and crime is actually fairly weak.

>>5641612
85, actually

>>5641618
Africans have an average IQ of 70. African Americans, who have significant Europid admixture, have an average IQ of 85.

/cgl/ proves they're a racist shithole yet again

>>5641651
>White people not accepting retarded arguments they're to blame for black crime rates
>Racism

Pick one.

>>5641651
It's still a part 4chan so... idk what you were expecting?

>>5641651
don't even vaguely try to imply this is /cgl/ spewing random racist bullshit. this is yet another board randomly wandering into a long since over thread and shitting down the throat of a dead horse.

>>5640627
Did they ever say that Anthy was black? There are a lot of "nondescriptly tan" characters in animu/mangoo/vidja/etc. that have clarified ethnic backgrounds. For all we know, they could be ANYTHING.

Obviously, that's different from a white person cosplaying an unquestionably black character, though.

>>5641682
shes indian not black, jesus christ

>>5641285
Cosplay Pirates, GTFO of this conversation; you're clearly here to post photos of yourselves. You were never a good cosplay group, and you never will be. I thanked god when your site went down and your FB page was done, HOPING that you disbanded forever. It seems like my dreams haven't come true, yet.

>>5641826
>>5641682
Anthy and her brother both wear a bindi. They're intended to be Indian, not African.

>>5641651
Good, I hope we're getting close to the threshold of being so racist that tumblr butt-warriors won't even bother coming here anymore. Go poop in your diaper you dumb homo nerd baby.

I'm sure there's a backstory to this, but the post itself doesn't seem very "crusade"-y. They're just doing to some research on something that interests them?

>>5642047
>>5641826
>>5641682
But you know, one POC is the same as another POC, so it's not racist for a black girl to cosplay Anthy because they have the same skin color and skin color is all that matters, not ethnicity.

@__________________@

basically: shut the fuck up, cosplay shit, get as close to accurate as you can with whatever you can use to do it. and don't even THINK about telling "non-POC" (white people) they can't cosplay POC because "it would be racist."

>>5642026

Nah, I don't like that girl but her picture with the Frollo went around the internet a few weeks back and this argument reminded me of it.

Chiki pisses me off since she runs the superhero cosplay group on dA and only approves pictures once in a blue moon so you have to submit like six times to get a picture accepted. But that's neither here nor there.

I should tell you the Cosplay Pirates merged into the League of Hot Geeks though so they're not gone at all. They just moved.

>>5642104

So now they're a whole big clusterfuck group of dipshit con attention whores? Lovely... Some things never change.

>>5642136
LOL YOU'RE RIGHT! NOTHING HAS CHANGED!!!

>Soni
>token hispanic girl

Aaahaahahha.

Sorry but soni is white as fuck. Sure she isn't aryan/yuro white but she's white. Especially for hispanic standards.

>>5641259
You're not that value. After all, you got dumped by your own father.

>Doesn't Soni come from a fairly well-to-do middle class background?

yah, pretty much. i just remember reading that one tumblr post where she talked about someone calling her spoiled which was omg unfair! shes not spoiled, she can just get whatever she wants by asking her family to buy it for her

this in between posts about her netting tons of racebased minority scholarships. that could have gone to ppl who are actually brown enough to not pass for white, and actually need them financially

>>5642659
That's downright disgusting.

>>564265
Um, wrong. I'm not middle-class, I'm upper-lower class. My mom is a NYC school teacher and my dad owns a hole in the wall business selling paper money. I'm a social worker. My family doesn't make enough money to send me to college, so I have an internship that pays for my senior year and provides a monthly stipend and I'm contractually obligated to work for them for a year. I have loans and qualified to receive the max financial aid from the govt.

I don't have any scholarships at the moment. I was offered one scholarship for grad school because I'm a minority but can't accept it because I can't afford grad school and it wasn't enough to even cover 1/4 of my tuition. I'm not going to take out more loans on top of the 25,000 I already owe for grad school when I can get my MSW in
NY for far cheaper.

The point of that post was that I have more than what a lot of people I work with have and I appreciate the hard work my parents have put into making sure my needs were provided for. They came to this country with nothing and now I'm ready to graduate from an excellent university and it's a legacy of their hard work. It put into perspective that am lucky to have been given this lot in life. It's not much, I don't get to go in extravagant vacations, get to buy fancy clothes, or get to eat out everyday in a fancy restaurant, but I'm happy with what I have. If I were in dire need if something, I could just call my father and ask for it things like a new pair of shoes or some clothes, but I don't. That's why I get a monthly stipend, to cover for these.

I read half the thread and stopped (sorry, its long) and after all that, I have this to say:

1) my boyfriend is far FAR darker than soni and he doesn't bitch this hard, nor does he care if people make themselves dark because he also makes himself light for certain cosplays.
2) shut the fuck up soni, and stop making poc hate themselves because some fat retard like you decided to represent them all.
3) its not offensive to be accurate to the character. At all. Skin color, hair color, eye color, it shouldnt matter. And if you can go white, you can sit down and shut the fuck up if someone wants to go dark. Why is one okay but not the other? Don't fight racism with racism, idiot. Accuracy is accuracy. Get over it. (only exception is things like the character having a swastika, etc)
4) making a panel on how hard it is for poc in the cosplay world, when you're not even that dark to begin with, is like me making a documentary on how hard it is being white girl in a, say, spanish neighborhood. They're both ignorant as FUCK. And your only real complaint is "hurr there's not a lot of dark characters, wahh everyones white" no shit bitch, anime is made in JAPAN

tl;dr
Soni, you're not the cosplay ambassador to all people of color in the cosplay world. Shut the fuck up, PLEASE

>>5643220

why would you pay full price to go out of state

4 years of CUNY would have been free for you, and no one cares about your undergrad once you've done grad

25K in debt for undergrad is stupid

>>5640329
Jeez, that's what you think being well-to-do middle class means? No, we don't go out to eat everyday, go on extravagant vacations, and get to buy fancy clothes. Most of our money goes to medical bills, living expenses, and my sister's college education.

JFC, you're college education sucks balls if you majored in sociology, and this is what you think being well-to-do middle class means.

>>5643365
I agree with this so much.

>I don't get to go in extravagant vacations

>goes to cons for years
>spends thousands of dollars on cosplay
>has never had to get a job
>after 4 years of school cannot recognize when to use on instead of in

>I'm lower class

>one parent makes at least 60K
>other parent is the one she calls for help

gg s0ni

>>5643220

you do realize that the poverty line for 4 people in nyc is like $22K, right? your mom alone makes 3x that

do you have 12 people in your family??

>>5643365
>1) my boyfriend is far FAR darker than soni and he doesn't bitch this hard, nor does he care if people make themselves dark because he also makes himself light for certain cosplays.

You are going to have ugly mud babies.

Eat shit and die. You're part of the problem. Your children are going to grow up to become white hating loons like Soni.

>>5640874

How the fuck does Jessie get money anyway? I've always wondered about that.

>>5645613
she's a photographer. not sure what specifically for, but I know she is shooting a bunch of weddings in a couple of months.

>>5644937
Actually, its your children I fear for. I was defending white people, as I'm white myself... Also stating that my boyfriend OF COLOR doesn't give a shit like Soni does. So actually, you're just as intelligent as Soni, congrats.

Okay, whitey here. I honestly want to ask the social justice group why I should give a fuck. They are going to bash me whether I support them of not, and I don't see anything about them that makes them different from me. Being white didn't give me money or power, it doesn't get me a job, it doesn't cure my mental illness (PTSD), it doesn't cure my physical ailments, it doesn't make me popular, it doesn't make people think I'm any more pretty, it doesn't make me exempt from hate or violence, and as far as I can tell it doesn't give me any privilege. In the same way, someone being black isn't going to make me really assume anything about them. When I see a black person, I don't assume their grades were lower than mine in school, I don't assume that they are violent, I don't assume that they make less money than me (Hell, I'm on food stamps,) and I don't think twice about it unless I'm asked to describe their appearance. Example: "Maria, do you think Sherry likes me?" "Which Sherry, I know two of them." The answer is either going to be "The black one who watches Glee with your gf", or "The one that wears too much make-up and has hair kind of like mine".

In before "Whitey trying to be edgy". If I don't care about race, then I don't care.

Cosplay is best when not mixed in with politics, Sonya.

This idea of yours is a very bad one and you should feel bad.

I thought in order to get over racism you had to over look colour altogether, not point out who can do and who can't do something because of their skin colour.

>>5645722
Jackasses exist in every group, even ones who supposedly know better, hence social justice jackasses. Not being racist is great, and if you understand that there are still people who will assume a black person is less intelligent, poorer, etc., even better. Privilege isn't very quantifiable, and who the fuck knows, maybe one day you walked by a guy on the street who raped the next Mexican girl he saw or something.

As far as I can tell, the only reasonable people who discuss social justice are the ones who can keep things from just being about themselves. Not in the sense of "well just because it's happened/not happened to YOU", but people who can understand everyone's experiences are different, and consider those along with their own.

Sonya is a shitty social worker anyways because she constantly talks about her families on social networks.

Confidentiality is rule fucking one, I hope her boss finds out

>>5645868
That colorblind crap only works if everyone does it at once. How the fuck else are you going to notice racism?

>>5640827
Why shouldn't you change your skin color to portray a character more accurately? Skin color isn't the only trait of certain "races." Certain hair types and colors and eye colors are also indicative of certain "races," yet you seem to have no issue with wigs or contacts. Why?

Also, I would like to hear examples of this "blatant racism" in cosplay that you've experienced/witnessed. Actually, I always thought that cosplay was a unifying hobby.

Let me get this straight, Sonya. If I want to cosplay Urd I can't because you say it's racist? Hahaha wow fuck off

Yeah, cosplaying Generic Ethnicity/Supernatural Anime Brown chicks is a far cry from, say, wondering why on earth anyone would think those kids in Avatar are Asian.

>>5640846
No offense, Soni, but I think if you go through with this you're going to make a total ass out of yourself. I know people who have it WAY harder than you. Many of them white. They can't even afford to make costumes and jet set around the country for conventions.

Further, your comments about "upper-lower class" and "middle class" prove how unprepared you are for this.

You basically sound like the fair skinned-black, mansion tending slave trying to explain how hard it is for all slaves in general.

Knock it the fuck off already.

>>5640329

wasn't she complaining about this at ohayocon as well

"all white people are racist whine whine"

>>5645872


On the rape bit, someone picked me because I fit their fetish when I was a child. Hence, the PTSD. In other words, they intentionally wanted to rape a light skinned, light haired female child.

I get what your saying, though. I think racism is just as disgusting as sexism, homophobia, or religious intolerance, and I get pissed off when someone makes fun of someone for their race. I just find it hard to believe someone when they tell me that I have any more privilege than them. In the 1960's, I would have agreed with them fullheartedly.

Just another person who wasted their opportunity at an education. Can't even do real social work? Have to make it cosplay related and of the "does it make you sad" variety?

>>5645872
bet you feel like a cunt now

>>5643220
>excellent university
hahaahha oh god.

>>5643220
>I was offered one scholarship for grad school because I'm a minority

a poor white person would never have such an opportunity.

wheres your social activisim now?

wow, soni has stooped to a new low. i cant believe she pulled the race card.

So much samefag it hurts.

>>5646441

>I think racism is just as disgusting as sexism, homophobia, or religious intolerance

One of those is not like the other. Many forms of one of them support all the others.

It seems to me the only people who pull the racism card are those who are getting into trouble (convicts, bad kids, etc) or those who don't fit in with the ethnicity. I.E. Tyra Banks talking about how black girls have it tough.... While she has caramel skin and green eyes.

Sonnya, you are a light skinned latina. You aren't dark skinned, have an accent, etc. You don't work in construction, housekeeping, or food service. Tell me how you fit in with those of your race who are struggling. Because you have it so easy compared to every single other Latina I've ever met.

Hell, I'm white and you have a better life than I do. Wish my parents gave me shit I wanted. Wish I could afford college. Wish I could make any costume I want, go wherever I want, afford to get married, etc. Your life is EASY. Stop acting like, because of your race, your life is so hard desu.

>>5647496
>>5647496
>I'm white and you have a better life than I do.

Poor whites have it the worst.

No scholarships, no *minority* support groups (even thought whites under 18 are not a minority in America), no affirmative action for them.

>>5647623

I am not inclined to believe this.
You want a scholarship? Be good at something. Be smart. Be lefthanded. Be a redhead. Be from a certain state. Be at a certain low financial level.

Any of those will get you a scholarship and you don't have to be a certain color for it.

White people don't get to go to minority meetings because they are who is on the TV, who tells you the news, who is in the magazine ad, who most mainstream movie stars are, who most CEOs are.

When you see yourself all over confirming that people that look just like you are the norm, you are do not go to a "no one understands what it is like to be me" meeting.

>>5647641
Why do you need a "WHY DOES NO ONE UNDERSTAND WHO I AM!?" meeting when your family is the same race, your community has people of the same race, idfk.
I think most people who are racists are the ones saying, "WHITE PEOPLE JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE STRUGGLES I GO THROUGH IN AMERICA." You're labeling people as white. You're calling them ignorant. DATS RACIST.

Dayum, if you want to bitch, go back to where your ancestors are from. Because Im sure mexico, Africa, china, or wherever is so much better than this first world country.

As a whitey-white who grew up in Beijing, I hate you all.

>>5640461
>No they don't and no they aren't. They're attention whores who get off on people saying there's something wrong with them. They want to feel special by claiming they're different when in fact it's all an act. I don't doubt there are people who feel that way but they are certainly a minority and they don't go blogging about it like children.

Is this a thread about the transgendered now?

I didn't really care too much about this thread until I saw her whining on her FB about the comments here.

Honestly, sure, maybe you had some tough times in your life. HOWEVER, it's very ignorant to assume that others have not had different difficulties in their lives as well, "minority" or not.

Also, last I checked, "upper lower class" is basically middle class.. if your family lived anywhere other then NYC they'd definitely be middle class if what everyone's saying about how much they make is true.

>>5647641
>White people don't get to go to minority meetings because they are who is on the TV, who tells you the news, who is in the magazine ad, who most mainstream movie stars are, who most CEOs are

A lot of those are Jews, who are not white.

>When you see yourself all over
Do you hear people whinging to China or Egypt that they need other races in their positions of authority.

Whites have no country to call their own. Everyone else does.

>>5647623
>No scholarships
I'm as white bread as possible, and I got a diversity scholarship to a major public university. It's all in the essays, man.

Well, and growing up in a city nicely diversified by being a locus of scientific research helps too, but still.

Being a minority in cosplay is easy, geeks are one of the most welcoming people

Soni has it easy, I mean she has no problem getting a boyfriend. What about all those white otaku who are foever alone?

THEY are the ones who people should feel sorry for.

>>5647709
>>5647641

Dont you people all remember the controversy when a white only scholarship was started about a year ago? So many "liberal" organisations said it was racist and tried to have it axed.

>>5647687
Pics?

Of course, many many people are going to tell Soni it's a bad idea, but no matter how nice or mean they are about it, she's going to do it anyway.

>>5647709
I meant scholarships that are scpecifcally catered for whites.

There are african, asian, hispanic, native sscholarships, but none for whites who are poor. and like >>5647725 said, when a scholarship for whites was once introduced, so many people said it was racist.

I'm brown and I got teased relentlessly by white people when I was younger simply for not being white or black. So when I see white people doing fake tans for any reason it really hits a nerve with me. I don't like white people treating my skin color as if it's like a fashion accessory that they will wear when they want. I never tell people they should or should not cosplay a certain character only because they don't match the skin color but if someone I knows does brownface I am not going to embrace or like their cosplay. I won't hate them for it but I don't have to like their choice.

>>5647745
White is a color not a culture. There are ones for Irish, Scottish, Italian, French, etc. If you don't have a connection to your roots that's your fault.

>>5647766

Neither is black, hispanic or asian.

Yet they all have their own scholarships.

>>5647781
>hispanic
>not a culture
shit, son

>mfw 90% of the characters in anime are Japanese
>mfw this is a stupid argument in the first place

why are there so many people who ruin or make this uncomfortable for people to enjoy? get over it. the point of cosplay is to be creative and have fun meeting people who take pride and enjoy becoming a character. if your white and you wanna cosplay anthy, then do it. if your black and wanna cosplay winry, then for it. just try your best to have a nice outfit and have fun.

>>5647761
But, that's due to your own personal issues with your skin colour. That's pretty unfair and a silly thing to hold grudges on.

I have red hair and grew up in a very rural area of a country where it's not something you usually see, and was bullied quite badly for it. When I see women dyeing their hair various shades or red, I couldn't care less.

It's got nothing to do with you, and it's certainly not something worth taking offence to.

If people are saying they're ok with being another skin colour, even if it's just for cosplay, surely that's a step towards acceptance? Or is it not serious enough for all you victimised minorities? (obviously completely different issue if people are being deliberately offensive, but this is hardly the case in cosplay)

>>5647784

well anon has a point.
hispanic is a general term for people of latin/spanish descent. Puerto Ricans have a different culture from Mexicans or Cubans or Argentinians.

Same way Asians don't all have the same culture. Chinese differ from Indians, etc.

The only reason why "black" culture exists is because they don't identify with Africans. However ask any real African (i mean Nigerians, Ghanians, Moroccans, etc) if they identify with black culture, and they will tell you no. They all have their own separate traditions as well.

Sorry for lengthy post.

>>5647781
Untrue. Get out of your trailer and look into your background if you want to get some free money. Your privilege isn't pretty

>>5647784
>white
>not a culture
shit, son

>>5647800

bhut the scholorships shit is BS. I was part of a scholorship program and there were plenty of white students getting help from the govt because of their economic background.

Also if you do well in school, there is always some kind of scholarship available.

>>5647807
>look at me, I'm being retarded!

>>5640619
you know the saying "opposites attract"?
well sames wish each other were dead

>>5647795
It's more of my personal issues with others using my skin color as a fashion trend. Now it's fashionable to be tan but still it's ok to mock people who are actually tan act as if their life experiences are invalid. If we do speak up against racist acts we are the ones who are ostracized. We are not allowed our own personal opinions on things because if a white person has a friend who is ok with a racist act then that means every person of that race should be ok with it.

I love my skin color, culture, food. I do not like seeing people who don't respect it using it like it's a fashion trend.

I ignore people who do it not because I'm magically going to find acceptance for it, it's that I don't find the argument worth it because when I have spoken up it never makes a difference anyways. But I will never be ok with it, my only consolidation is that the people who go to tanning beds will most likely get skin cancer and age themselves faster.

>>5647823

I doubt it's the same people mocking and 'using it as a fashion trend' please would you stop generalizing people. When someone cosplays a tan character and want to be accurate of course they'll tan their skin.

It's only a colour for fucks sake, stop making a big deal out of it like those who mocked you. Perhaps you should petition for the sun to be illegal since it's enabling racism.

>>5647870
How dare she find an action racist because it's something white people want to do regardless and don't want to acknowledge that brown/yellow/black face is racist. Gotta love that white privilege

>>5647870
If you can naturally tan then you wouldn't have to orange yourself up.

>>5647994
And yet not a single shit would be given if a nigger used foundation to make itself white.

>>5647994
>>5647998

I'm offended!

if anime is asian does that make all the anime characters PoC?

>>5648005
oh my god ahhahahahaha

>>5647994
>>5647998
>>5648005

I'm offended!

>>5648020
>>5647994
>>5647998
>>5648005

I'm offended! We must cure this racist disease.

>>5648024
>>5648020
>>5647994
>>5647998
>>5648005

I'm offended! How dare he portray something he isn't!

>>5647706 Whites have no country to call their own. Everyone else does.

That would be Europe.
They don't have lands of their own cause they decided to conquer lots of other people's lands that belong to someone else from the get go.

>>5648040
> Europe
... You're fucking kidding me, right?

>>5647659
did you even read what you wrote?

>> why do you need a meeting when your family is the same race, your community has people of the same race, idfk.
I think most people who are racists are the ones saying, "WHITE PEOPLE JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE STRUGGLES I GO THROUGH IN AMERICA." You're labeling people as white. You're calling them ignorant. DATS RACIST.

When you go out into the wide world you will meet people outside your family and community who do not understand.
Sort of how when women entered the work force men just didn't know they were being assholes. So women had to for coalitions so they could get advice and make changes.

>>5647480

I don't know what your view of religious intolerance is, but I consider religious intolerance to be an act of judging someone based on their religion, or lack of religion. When someone commits a hate crime in the name of their religion, it's an act of religious intolerance towards the party that they are attacking.

At the moment, minority religious groups (Non organized religions, agnostics, atheists, gnostics, neopagans, reconstructs, etc.) are pushing coexistence. So, to support their freedoms, you would have to support the tolerance of /all/ religious creeds. That might seem counterproductive, but they would (Mostly) rather have a bit of peace and tolerance that the complete defeat of the offending religions.

Honestly, I think that's a view that other social justice groups could learn from. Push to be accepted in society, and to have completely equal ground. Don't push for another group of people to have to grovel at your feet for all eternity, it's not going to get you anywhere. (That, and it causes people who would otherwise support your cause to stop caring.)

>>5648048

are we gonna argue semantics now?
cause if so, you win you big debater you!