bros before hoes

male cosplaers can be just as big drama whores as females

>>5521666
seconded. Also more like they're trying to fuck both the blondie and the asian while they're tearing each other's hair out. THEN it would be accurate

Typically, while there are exceptions, male cosplayers primarily get into the hobby because they are very interested in the franchises they cosplay from, so when they meet and get to know each other they are people with similar tastes, hobbies, and interests which allow them to become good friends.

Many of the female cosplayers I have met, often cosplay more for the attention they get. Most aren't necessarily full-blown attention whores, but attention is still a much more important reason to females than males. Females are also generally more concerned with "perfection" in a costume which makes them more nit-picky on small details.

Also, from my experience as a male dealing with females, females in general tend to experience more social drama than males do, which often leads to the making of social enemies.

>>5521666
>>5521673

Male cosplayers can be, but I doubt it happens as often.

I've never gotten into any kind of fight or arguments with another female cosplayer.

It really all depends on the kind of person you are and the kind of people you choose to hang out with.

Has nothing to do with cosplay. More of a gender thing.

Girls, even more so than boys, are often taught to compete socially. Be the prettiest, the thinnest, the most popular.
>Be better than the other girls.

Guys have the same thing going, but it's often less pronounced in many grown men.
>Be the best you that you can be.

>>5521681
Same here. I don't see a point in doing it. If I have someone that I am friends with that like to make drama and likes to talk shit about people. I will tell them to stop and if they can't then I simply remove myself from their company. I firmly believe in treating others the way I want to be treated and only really hang out and enjoy the company of people who feel the same way.

Now that being said I am not perfect, I can have rude and catty thoughts but those are really just fleeting thoughts. That I keep to myself and try to not judge other based solely on superficial things such as appearance or the quality of someone's cosplay.

That's why I only have male friends. Being friends with other girls is just full of too much dramu for my liking.

Because only men are capable of friendship and caring for others. Women see both men and women as tools to be used and discarded when done.

Camaraderie is a male ideal. Women can't comprehend it.

>>5521736
Neckbeard detected.

>>5521756
Funny you say that, because the neckbeards on the other boards are far closer than /cgl/, who hate each other to death.

You can never match the unity of the male boards.

>>5521756
It doesn't really support your argument when you resort to ad hominems. Instead of attempting to invalidate his point by calling him a neckbeard, try asking him why he believes that he's correct.

PS -- even if he is a neckbeard, he isn't necessarily wrong.

>>5521736
You sound like you have a very unhappy and bitter life. Too many girls reject your fatass pimply faced sweaty self?

>>5521771
You sound angry that I said something that hit a little too close to home, so you're shit-flinging because that's the best argument most women can come up with

The reason it's the case is because male cosplayers don't really give a shit about cosplaying while female cosplayers consider it their life.

That's why I only girls instead of having them as friends.

>>5521780
Just making an observation. No need to get sensitive. Seems like I've hit a nerve as well.

>>5521782
>only date girls

>>5521683 Has nothing to do with cosplay. More of a gender thing.

voice of reason here.

What they said in their post is why you get girls thinking they are never good enough while guys have a beer gut and inch thick glasses who think they should have access to hot models.

Males would rather compete in stuff that actually matters.

>>5521658

Because women are fucking stupid. they are only good for fucking and cooking. nothing else.

>>5521812
but physical prowess doesnt matter much nowadays unless it's your job. social prowess is leagues more important.

intellectual prowess is what we should all be shooting for, though. You should try it too and cut out the idiotic sexism.

>>5521813
Awwww look, someone's bitter.

>>5521807
It's 2012, every woman thinks she's a princess. I don't think self-doubt is a concept women understand.

But I'm friends with my friends, we don't fight.

in fact, I hate conflict and would never initiate

oh wait fuck I just insinuated that all people think differently, on 4chan

I've only ever met one catty cosplayer and even then she chilled out after a few drinks. Dramas dumb, share a beer.

>>5521816
I never said physical stuff. I was actually talking about stuff like getting into positions of power and making money.

And I wasn't really sexist.

>>5521819
ahahhaa fuck, this troll is pretty stong, I almost got mad.

I wonder if the people who actually say these things just never meet women or never meet people in general? Like, how the hell do you actually FORGET about basic things like plenty of girls being self conscious? Do they get their information from reality shows?

>>5521820
>typical /cgl/ male
HOW UNORTHODOX! YOU ARE WRONG YOU STUPIDY STUPID HEAD! EVERY WOMAN HAS HIVEMIND AND ARE ALL THE SAME!!!!!

>>5521827
You were being sexist by saying "Women don't ___ and men do." about a broad subject like goals and personal morality, which is applied on an individual basis and not a gendered basis.

>>5521823
>Girls are more accepting to me when if I get them drunk.

Good to know.

>>5521828
It's because they are afraid to talk to real, live women and therefore only discuss what they're like on the internet based on "This friend of mine's brother's cousin once met this woman...". It's like a bizarre game of telephone.

>>5521834
You didn't know that people loosen up when drunk?

>>5521828
>Do they get their information from reality shows?

Media is where the idea of "women are self-conscious" some from.

In reality men now suffer from most instances of depression or mental illness related to esteem.

>>5521834
I get girls drunk to get them into my hotel room for hot lesbian encounters. Girls can be manipulative too my friend.

>>5521837
I honestly can't imagine forgetting that 50%of the population are human beings too, but I guess that's what shutting yourself away for years does.

>>5521847
Parasites are not human beings.

>>5521818

Bitter that i might not know how it feels to have a pussy, yeah, but the pussy that's attached to the women is always a BITCH.

>>5521834
That's not even what I said. Women are great whenever~

>>5521842
Why are you bringing up men for that reason? Does that somehow prove that girls aren't also self-conscious? I don't understand.
Yeah, society is fucked up in some ways, I already know that much. I hope men can be less afraid to seek mental and emotional help when they need it, some day.

>>5521833
Huh no?
Check the gender gap myth, women only earn less because they aren't as willing as men to work long hours and sacrifice their social lives.

>>5521847
I do envy their strange little worlds though. Imagine feeling like a god in your little basement, able to tell people anything online and having complete dominion in your little universe. Right up until you go outside.

>>5521853
Oh ho! You're a virgin as well. That explains everything.

>>5521850
Having fun typing funnies onto this internet board? are your friends enjoying your "epic trollz XDDD"?

>>5521856
>I hope men can be less afraid to seek mental and emotional help when they need it, some day.

Maybe when women come out of the stone age and stop assuming every single man must be some ambitious shooting star brimming with confidence so they can ride his coattails, men will be encouraged to admit their faults instead of putting up a front from shallow women.

>>5521858
Do we really have to bring that sort of discussion into EVERY BOARD?

damnit I am tired about arguing gender politics yet here I am, arguing with basement dwellers about shit they somehow can't seem to understand about their fellow human beings.

>>5521859
>>5521847
>>5521837
>>5521828
condescending circlejerks don't really work when you realize you're posting on 4chan and don't have much of a high ground to take

>>5521658
Because women secrete a gas known as Dramaldahyde when around each other. This causes their brain to shut off, and immediately resort to their baser primal instincts of competition, making them target and degrade all other women around them.

>>5521863
...Why are you implying that men aren't the main force between enforcing their own gender roles? Boys don't shy away from being emotional because women tell them not to be, they shy away from being emotional because OTHER BOYS will make fun of them and call them a fag. If they're worried about girls not liking them for it, it's because other boys tell them that, and the girls that do dislike emotionally open men are taught to dislike men having emotions because our very society and media (which is male-run) promotes the stoic man image!

How can you possibly simplify it like that? the reasons for that issue are deeply ingrained in our society, not BECAUSE WOMEN WILL REFUSE TO LIKE ME, THOSE BITCHES

>>5521866
You brought that up, I simply stated that men prefer competing in stuff that actually matters and you said I was wrong, then I provided evidence(women don't like working as hard as men, gender salary gap) and you started calling me names.

>>5521873
The fuck is this bullshit? Post sources.

>>5521874
Being emotional is the shit.

>>5521872
You got me there. I'm mostly trying to maybe, just maybe put a humanizing light on women in general. Please stop generalizing us, 4chan dudes, I know there's some of you out there that really mean it, and it's really hurtful and sad and confusing. It's hurtful to you, it's hurtful to everyone. It's especially damaging to you.

>>5521873
so like testosterone

>>5521878
Well, your argument about the wage gap is wrong, the reasonings for lower wages extend WAY deeper than ALL GIRLS DONT WANT TO WORK, but i really don't feel like arguing your childish and oversimplified view of the world and economics.

>>5521874
>they shy away from being emotional because OTHER BOYS will make fun of them and call them a fag.

Because they were taught by their father who was taught by their father who was taught by his father and so on and so forth, and at the beginning of the chain is a primate-like creature that realized women are more likely to ooh-aah with him if he shows off and presents himself as the strongest.

>and the girls that do dislike emotionally open men are taught to dislike men having emotions because our very society and media (which is male-run) promotes the stoic man image!

No, they dislike them because that is how women are. When mass media was a concept Sargon could not even comprehend it was like this. When humans walked on 4 limbs it was like that. Women are merely continuing a million-year old tradition that states that mammals with male sexual traits who cry are not someone you want to be with.

Don't blame other people for making you do what your uterus tells you.

>>5521872
Maybe not, but it's fun.

>>5521769

If we're going to take the logical road, we all understand that even if that anon used an ad hominem, it doesn't necessarily mean the other anon is right, either. To be honest, it is far more likely that men and women both have ideals of comraderie, based on the fact that it is in the interest of both genders survival and compliments our general species herd behavior and desire to group.

>>5521885
>just maybe put a humanizing light on women in general

why not try to make rocks into people

rocks are capable of the same level of compassion for others as women

>>5521901

If you'd humor me, I'd enjoy hearing some of the social examples or justifications you have for rocks being as compassionate as women.

>>5521894
Actually I'm an economist myself, but you don't need to trust me, just check our old friend google.

>ALL GIRLS DONT WANT TO WORK
I never said "ALL GIRLS", it's just that in general women want to work less than men.

>>5521896
hahaah wow

Sexuality was never always the same. Just look at something like art history and you see that the ideals for men changed wildly. Back in caveman times, there was actually no depictions of hunting (the paintings of animals were all deities and revered animals, not the animals they ate, as proven by bone deposits) that tradition of displays of masculinity like a hunt, in art, only started when more permanent settlements took hold and cultures focused on strong leaders emerged. and many different cultures had many different ideals about men and women throughout time.

Just look at 1960s tv batman compared to modern batman. How many muscles can you see on 1960's batman? societal norms change.

>>5521879
From the same Scientific Journal that did the finding on women leaking artificial cheese from their Vaginas.

>>5521913
and you can't possibly fathom that women wanting to work less can't be traced to society, and not some kind of contrived notion of inherent nature, which you seem to be implying? or am i at least wrong about your intentions?

>>5521913
Because we're too busy in the kitchen.
Can't stay out of there for too long, then we get withdrawals.

>>5521912
Rocks do not care for other rocks. Rocks would rather other rocks just shut up and support them. Rocks roll onto rocks and only stay as long as they need to and leave them once the other rock no longer wants to support them. Rocks don't care who they hit rolling down hills and are not concerned with the people or rocks they hurt because to a rock, the only thing that matters is itself.

Women do not care for other people, especially men. Women would rather other people just shut up and support them. Women latch onto men in a one-way relationship and only stay as long as they need to and leave them once the man no longer wants to support them. Women don't care who they hurt going through life and are not concerned with the men or women they hurt because to a women, the only thing that matters is itself.

>>5521927
>posting that image too
dang you got all the troll material down pat, eh?

>>5521919
>still doesn't post article
Are you serious? No one's going to believe you.

>>5521933
No I'm not serious, I don't wan't people to believe me, I just stuck Drama with the suffix of Formaldehyde, it was a crappy joke.

>>5521920
>some kind of contrived notion of inherent nature
I never mentioned that.

>>5521927
Hey, that's not scientific evidence! That's just saying "These people are like this" with no proof!

Look, I can do it too:
The sky is green, and water isn't wet! Dogs are hardwired to want to eat your eyeballs, and your favorite anime sucks.

>>5521942
It's a fitting analogy that everyone except women (I wonder why) would agree with.

>>5521939
Then I'm still not sure what youre trying to prove by bringing the wage gap into a thread about a gender difference that is greatly exaggerated while the male equivalents are never brought into account, because people decide that because one gender does something that everyone does (get mad at people they don't like), only that gender doing it is stupid, and it obviously never happens to the other!

>>5521938
Holy shit that was brilliant! I applaud you.

>>5521952
Any sane man would disagree with you. Why don't you go as some normal people? I've got my father, my boyfriend, my friends, who would all LOVE to hear your opinions on what their sisters and mothers and other friends are like.

>>5521942
>Dogs are hardwired to want to eat your eyeballs
Technically true, in some cases. They are descended from wolves after all.

>>5521942
Always true, since anime sucks.

Remove "cosplayers" from your image and replace with anything.

It is still true

Wtf...is this argument still going on?!

Every human being fucking sucks.
/thread

>>5521960
Oops, meant to quote "your favorite anime sucks." instead of the whole post in that second line. How silly of me~

>>5521913

Not the anon you're chatting with, but I can understand women in general wanting to work less than men based on social factors (it is the norm, nostalgia based on past societies [for example, the rosy-colored idealization of the 1950's], they were brought up in families that followed the gender norm, the woman has chosen to be the main caretaker, etc. etc. etc. into infinity.) I'd argue it is largely because we haven't made it fully to equality, meaning the majority of men and women likely still default to gender norms because it is already set up and in place--society understands it, family understands it, friends understand it, work understands it, etc. Not to mention, the individuals in the relationship probably understand it better than not, simply because of its majority presence in society and media. The reverse would probably be met with more opposition, with the erroneous idea that a man being the main caretaker is "a lazy leech and good-for-nothing" while the wife being the bread winner is "a risky investment and cold-hearted."

>>5521679
I agree.

>>5521959
>Any man who has never taken a critical look at women outside of THEY HAVE VAGINA I WANT TO BE WITH THEM would disagree with you.

>>5521966
I like the way you think.

>>5521963
Yeah, them girls sure are catty! And what about those men? they never listen when girls talk! They're always watching their football with their beers.
And hey, what's with airplane food anyway?
Cue the laughtrack, folks!


this is how stupid the premise of this thread looks, by the way.

>>5521969
thanks, thats exactly what I was talking about. The reasons for choosing jobs are layered in so many things. It just so happens that things are structured so that people are more likely to make certain career choices, leading to bigger-numbered trends that get misinterpreted a lot. None of that image disproves men and women in the exact same position getting handed two different paychecks, though.

>>5521927

Thank you for humoring me, but I can't say you gave any evidence, examples, or justifications. If you'd like, you can respond again with evidence, examples, or justifications and we can continue to speak about our thoughts on the differences and similarities between rocks and women. The pay gap graphic was unfortunately off-topic, although thank you for providing it.

>>5521874
>...Why are you implying that men aren't the main force between enforcing their own gender roles?
That's wrong, men want to pass their DNA to future generations and they have to please women to do that, and guess what, "confidence" is the most desirable male trait for women. Instead of seeking help to solve their problems men are told to shut up and fake confidence at all costs, that's why you get abominations like Pick Up Artists.
I'm not even a man and I see that.

Damn, this thread got boring so fucking fast. It was funny until all of you moralfags and feminists came in.

>>5521874
>>5522001

Yeah, anon...I mean, there was a study done that observed how mothers and fathers reacted to their male and female children. The mothers and fathers would clamor over to their female child if it was seen that she was having difficulty making her way back over to them or beginning to become frustrated, while they would hold off much longer for their male children. BOTH genders enforced the "women get coddled, men need to man up," which we can agree is pretty bad for instilling any true equality between the genders.

>>5522023
Welcome to /cgl/.

lol

>>5522032
>implying I'm new
Damn girl. Take a walk.

>>5522040
>It was funny until all of you moralfags and feminists came in.
>Didn't expect them.

Welcome to /cgl/.

>>5522031
Men are disposable. No one will stop thinking that. Equality is a pipe dream. Women don't want to give up being coddled and they don't want men being helped. The worst that that could happen to women is men becoming emotionally centered and therefore less easy to manipulated.

>>5522023

You can troll if you want to, no one can stop you. You might even catch a couple of people who would take it seriously and incite their anger. I can't say I won't try to have a civilized, logical conversation with others, but you're absolutely welcome to restore the thread to what you believe was its former glory.

>>5522001
confidence is an objectively good trait to have, though not overconfidence. Uncertainty in oneself leads to a LOT of problems, so of course someone won't want that in a date. Confidence does not mean "being macho or manly". However, both men and women value being honest with what one is thinking or feeling, and being emotionally closed off is bad for ones health. It has nothing to do with what girls find attractive in men. it has to do with what people find attractive in PEOPLE. though hey, exceptions exist.
It's the notion that being stoic is somehow related to masculinity (a completely arbitrary comparison), and that the non-masculine is inherently bad, that is the problem.

>>5522046
How does my post imply that I didn't expect them? You really need to calm down.

>>5522054
>implying I'm trolling
To be honest anon, no one really gives a shit about moralfags and feminists or what they have to say.

>>5522050

That is a very pessimistic attitude. I don't believe we need to continue bringing girls up as if they need to be coddled or that we need to treat our boys as if needing help is necessarily a negative thing. It isn't that either gender is maliciously controlling the other, but that there are remnants of previous cultures and ideologies that--while seemingly harmless--are a greater disservice to giving men and women what they need. I'm not saying a complete flip-flop of gender roles, but the idea that there is no middle ground or moderation between the two behaviors is silly. It is through learning and education that mothers and fathers--males and females--can become more self-aware of how they interact or treat others.

>>5522072
>no one gives a shit about moralfags
maybe not on 4chan, but it's funny how shitty people think that everyone is like them. At least when I hear people IRL say things like "Everyone sucks" I know I can safely assume to avoid them.

>>5522072

You misunderstand me. I wasn't implying you were trolling. I was simply stating that if you wish to be entertained and the fact that the conversation has taken on a more levelheaded tone bothers you, you are free to entertain yourself by beginning trolling yourself. If you do not wish to do so, you may also find another thread that you feel is more worth your time?

>>5522057
>It has nothing to do with what girls find attractive in men. it has to do with what people find attractive in PEOPLE. though hey, exceptions exist.
But traits like shyness and introversion are much more accepted in females than males when it comes to dating. How is that not related to women's desire for confidence?

>>5522093
>levelheaded conversation
>/cgl/
The fuck? You're funny anon.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=bitch-evolved-girls-cruel Being a bitch is part of the female "mystique".

>>5522098
not every culture. some cultures like japan value shy women, while others like their girls aggressive. well hey just look at how asian pop music depicts men, and try to tell me that it's always the same.

Wrong OP, that is not always the case. There are some male cosplayers that would much like to see their "brethern" dead on the side of a street.

>>5522106
>while others like their girls aggressive
Exemples of cultures that like agressive females?

And are you talking about Japan? They have a terrible demographics problem. I don't know about about asian pop groups besides that some of them look feminine so I can't say much about them.

>>5522098

I can't say introversion or shyness is more welcome as traits in women. I will assert that those traits are more welcome in this type of culture propagated by 4chan/anime, similarly the way moe and "cute" is more welcome in this type of culture. Grouping tactful and softspoken with shy or introverted is a mistake, as most cultures will want women who are capable (not aggressive but not passive) and able to handle their duties just as well as a man handles his.

If we're speaking of just one night stands and the sexual chase, then it makes sense for men to "prove" themselves and women to screen men by quick criteria--the men generally have less to lose while the women have more to lose, and it has been this way simply because of biological means (impregnating vs being impregnated.)

>>5522103

If we're going to be proper, then we might as well call it for what it is, fellow anon:

>levelheaded conversation
>the internet

>>5522136
>I can't say introversion or shyness is more welcome as traits in women.
I disagree with you, a good number of males like those traits, and even the ones who don't are much more forgiving to women who behave like that. It's not just 4chan or anime fans.

can't we agree at least that it's impossible to give a broad analysis of the tastes of men and women based solely on personal experience?

because I get a feeling that until we get some worldwide surveys, we're not gonna know that stuff.

Actually, there's so much about our opinions that are shaped invisibly by our societies, i try not to assume anything is natural to human nature.

>>5522236
>it's impossible to give a broad analysis of the tastes of men and women based solely on personal experience?
>based solely on personal experience
You're right, but it's quite obvious that women and men have certain preferences.

>>5522261
I don't think it is?
the fact that it's based on personal experience aside, everyone I meet always has wildly different tastes in men and women, and me and said person that I meet will usually be like "No way, ___ is a way better quality!" I'm sure there's trends yes, but it is in no way not societal. Our peers and culture affect us SO heavily! I mean just look at the fact that there's tons of arbitrary notions of beauty that have nothing to do with survival, and the very fact that even if you try to link something to survival, there's so many exceptions to the rule, proving that an individual can even be swayed away from traits that may or may not be naturally superior in the wild. (Ex: "glasses are sexy" when glasses are only a tell-tale sign of poor eyesight and bad vision genes.)

>>5522261
It'd be like if I tried to say "men like large breasts because it means they are good for child-rearing", which despite being plausible, it's totally obvious that entire subcultures of people can prefer small breasts and find them much more arousing, so it's only natural to assume that an entire culture that consumes similar media will, as a result, have certain preferences that have NOTHING TO DO with anything genetically coded.

Men compete by trying to top one another. Women compete by trying to drag one another down. Blame it on centuries of women not being able to shine or whatever, but that seems to often be how it works.

>>5522277
>>5522286
First of all I wanna say that I'm not talking about genetics, I'm just talking about how our society in general works.

Denying that women in general shy away men who aren't "confident" is just silly.
I don't deny that women with flat chests have a harder time dating than women with bigger breasts. And putting the blame on other women for that is even more silly, no guy says "oh I don't like women with small breasts because women tell me not to like them" like someone in this thread said "the girls that do dislike emotionally open men are taught to dislike men having emotions because our very society and media (which is male-run) promotes the stoic man image!"

Women are sweet and dedicated too, they aren't all bad.
>pic related, don't mind filename

>>5522347
>tattoo of the face only a week after dating.

This is why we don't the names or faces of significant others tattooed.

>>5522333
I'm kind of unsure how we even got here

but my point is that I wish people would stop hating on women and implying we are a hivemind or implying that it isn't society's fault (not women's) for things being unequal. Patriarchy creates a lot of problems, but I'm not going to go about dehumanizing men or hating them. I'm talking a bit to the entire thread, not you.

I still think that it's a stupid generalization that women fight more than men. Everyone fights. In fact when I was in a team project, it was the men who argued more than the girls, and were more passive aggressive and catty with each other.

>>5522369
>I'm kind of unsure how we even got here

>I wish men were more open to their feelings
>that will happen when women stop demanding men to be super confident
>but men are to blame for men having to be like that, not women
>women are the ones who strongly prefer confident men and men have to deal with it if they hope to have a girlfriend or children
>both women and men prefer confident people
>men are more forgiving to women who aren't confident

Basically this whole argument is about some women not accepting that they're to blame for gender roles too, like you said "implying that it isn't society's fault (not women's) for things being unequal."
And it seems to be you think only women suffer because of gender roles. I may be wrong though.

>>5522347
BUT I LOVE YOU.

>>5522390
Why did you delete your post the first time, The Gray Fox !to3bNwX3cw?

>>5522386
People suffer for a lot of reasons. Everyone that supports the system is to blame, but society DOES have a bias for men and treating women as "others" as so nicely displayed in this thread. And I didn't say I wish men would be more sensitive, I mean I wish that they didn't feel that they COULDN'T be. I meant it sympathetically.

I'm just tired of hearing "Women are" and "men are". Especially the former.

>>5522407
>but society DOES have a bias for men and treating women as "others" as so nicely displayed in this thread.
Can you point out exemples?

>I mean I wish that they didn't feel that they COULDN'T be. I meant it sympathetically.
They feel they can't be because they fear backlash from both men and women.

>>5522297
This. Glass ceiling and all that. For a long time, the best woman could be no better than the worst man, regardless of how much effort put in. Women at that threshold could only compete by undermining each other because they had no opportunities for advancement. Men didn't need to resort to that because there was always "I'll just get better than him."

Like putting two starving dogs in a room and giving them a finite amount of food vs. letting them go hunt in the wild. Two will kill each other. The other two will go their separate ways or even hunt as a pack.

>>5522420
>examples?
There are thousands of instances of this in media and real life. Boys are the "default". They are catered to first and considered first, and masculinity is valued above femininity even among many females, since the attitude becomes internalized. It is okay for a girl to dress like a man, because manly is "good", but it's not okay for a man to dress like a girl because girly is "bad". Video games and movies and books cater largly to males and females in various professions are often refered to by their gender first. "female author", or "that game made by a girl". Men as a default is so ingrained in our mind that stick figures are assumed male unless hair or a bow is added. The list of large and small examples of women being "secondary" in society in all levels is huge. Anyone at ALL self-aware about our society knows this.

>from men and women
this is true! Someone previously tried to argue it was only backlash from women. However, our social constructs are also largely male-centered and created, since the ruling class creates the rules and standards, and men have been that to the largest extent for a long, long time.

>They are catered to first and considered first

If that were actually the case we'd probably be dealing with the problems men based on their gender before women, but we're not. Men aren't even an afterthought right now, people legitimately believe in "male privilege" and think men face no issues because they have a Y chromosome.

>and masculinity is valued above femininity even among many females

Only feminists. The same ones who think raising children is a bad thing. I don't know if they're a good example.

>It is okay for a girl to dress like a man, because manly is "good", but it's not okay for a man to dress like a girl because girly is "bad".

That has nothing to do with it. It's ok for a girl to dress like a man because it means she's liberated etc., but men can't because men are expected to maintain their gender roles.

>Video games and movies and books cater largly to males

Because the people who consume them are largely male. And even then there are plenty of genres devoted to women. It has nothing to do with gender, only economics.

>and females in various professions are often refered to by their gender first. "female author", or "that game made by a girl".

And men who stay at home are "male caretakers". It has nothing to do with a default; the minority is always defined by their minority status. And they refer to themselves as such and revel in the attention, so I assume they don't have as much of a problem with it as you apparently don't.

everyone's arguments are henceforth invalid

>>5522624
>boys have to fix the things
>that girls fuck up, because they're fucked up

ftfy

>>5522602
>Because the people who consume them are largely male. And even then there are plenty of genres devoted to women. It has nothing to do with gender, only economics.

Hey, that claim is quantifable and contemporary. It should be easy to find statistics to back up, right? Feel free. Difficulty: not trying to redefine "video game" when you realize you're wrong.

>>5522624
its funny because its true

;_;

>>5522687
http://www.esrb.org/about/video-game-industry-statistics.jsp

>>5522731

Um, men use violence kill women all the time out of "love," "societal control," "their right to assert their manhood"... Louie C. K. is actually really fucking wrong. Having your feelings hurt is not the same as having someone terrorize you with bodily and mental harm.

>>5522780
Um, in this context it's a JOKE.

He's exaggerating for the sake of comedy, why you gotta be so butthurt about it?
It's basically true anyways.

>>5522780

>>5522780
>picking apart a comedy routine for over exaggerating
>being super butthurt about it

Really? REALLY?
Christ, remind me never to take you to a comedy club you downer debbie.

>>5522780
Humans can recover from anything. Sack the fuck up and stop acting like hurt feels are the same as dismemberment.

Because some girls just can't help pick apart other girls. I shit you not. You can show someone a simple photo of a cute girl and another girl will point out some stupid so called 'flaw' like 'omg plastic nails' or 'omg her make up is uneven' or point out something that isn't there. Like those pair of tits that were posted here and some dumbshits see a mysterious lump which is nothing more than shine by the light. Insecure girls always do shit like that.

>>5522843
This and the comment about being torn apart for having an iota of confidence

No one likes arrogant assholes, but so much as posting a picture with a comment like 'I think I looked pretty good here!' or 'I think I did a good job!' is enough to unleash the fucking wolves to rip said poster to shreds.

Why IS everyone so insecure here anyways?

>>5522867
>Why IS everyone so insecure here anyways?

It's how women continue their victim complex.

>>5522899
This.

>>5522899
You know, I'm female and I even agree with this. I've met so many girls that cannot take responsibility for anything and blame everyone else (especially men) or their problems, it's a bit sickening how much this happens.

>>5522954

Does your vagina magically add validity to the point?

>>5523024
Yes, because it proves even women are capable of seeing how shitty women are.

>>5523058

Bullshit, it's a womanly attempt to appeal to the man's side of the argument by saying, "Look at all those other whores, but I'm not a whore, right?" In all honesty, get the fuck back in the kitchen.

>>5523024
>proving my point
Stop being so bitter.

>>5523072
>implying I give a shit about guys

>>5523072
She didn't say she was the only one that didn't have a victim complex. I think you need to be less butthurt babe.

>>5523114
>>5523101
>>5523087

>calling you women out on your little, "Those other women are whores, but I'm different" parade
>"Nuh-uh! I didn't say ALL of the women, and I didn't even mention little ole' me at all!"

It is such a subtle and ingrained social war that you girls aren't even smart enough to realize you're doing it. You invalidate the majority of your gender, and expect to be taken seriously because you are a part of that gender BUT are never, ever part of the problem with your gender, oh-ho-ho no.

Being a fat girl is interesting. We get to see ditzy bitches ruin men's opinions of our gender, and then get told by equally unattractive men to lose weight and stay in the kitchen. You WANT me to stay where the ice cream is? Works for me.

Irregardless of what I type, I'm going to get a snarky, bitter reply, so I don't really feel like arguing the issue.

What was the original topic again? Oh yeah, cosplaying differences. Slutty, attention seeking costumes tend to ruin any chance our gender has at dignity, too. I'm pretty sure half of the slave Leia's out there have even seen Star Wars.

>>5523162
Yes because all women think exactly the same way and are identical in every aspect. Heaven forbid we have individual ways of thinking. My god your intelligence is PROFOUND!

>>5523162

You have idiots that represent your gender, we have idiots that represent our gender. Excuse me for not wanting to associate with them.

>>5523290
Lose weight you fat bitch.

These guys from 4chan are such little bitches.

>>5523290

if someone wants to dress "slutty" it's in her right to do so, whether she's fat or thin. FUCK giving people labels and thinking that it somehow shames a gender. the thing that needs to change is the perception of the gender stereotype, not that people should conform to what should be "dignified".

I don't have an image that can convey this, but...I went to a photoshoot once that sums up my feelings on the topic. All of the female cosplayers were being super nice, making friends, goofing off, and having a blast. The male cosplayers were standing around awkwardly like basement dwellers who didn't get out and socialize enough.

>>5523454
Men suck at attention whoring.

If all this shit you guys say about how women are evil/stupid/whores/bitches/dramaqueens/worthless/etc is true, then why do you put forth SO much time and energy trying to convince us of it?

>get told by equally unattractive men to lose weight and stay in the kitchen.
You had an amazing point here

>Slutty, attention seeking costumes tend to ruin any chance our gender has at dignity
But then lost me at here.

You are just as hypocritical of those men.

>>5523468
So you can change and make society a better place.

>>5523481
I can kinda see where she was coming from with that second comment, but the problem isn't with women wearing revealing cosplays, it's the way people react to it. You either see someone saying "all female cosplayers should strive for this or else they're worthless", or you have someone holding it up as "proof" that "all female cosplayers are whores and just want attention". They're saying the only reason a woman could possibly be motivated to do anything is male attention, because what would it be otherwise? Not to mention that it's not remotely true. The vast majority of women cosplaying are wearing something with a pretty normal amount of body coverage, so a desperate need for male attention couldn't be the reason behind wearing it.

>>5523500
If I'm going to live my life as the best person I can possibly be, if I can be honest and kind and hard-working and STILL have people telling me I'm a complete waste of life because I have a vagina, then why would I give two shits about trying to impress you or anyone else? Your mind is made up already to hate women, so how any woman behaves is completely irrelevant, because the problem is YOU.

>>5523522
>If I'm going to live my life as the best person I can possibly be, if I can be honest and kind and hard-working
>implying you do that

>>5521819 It's 2012, every woman thinks she's a princess. I don't think self-doubt is a concept women understand.

Previous poster here.
Gah really? Is that what the new crop of under 25 is like now? Cause my group was full of "I'm too tall, too small, too brown, too pale, too funny, too SOMETHING" so many insecurities.

I could believe you are right, it's certainly what I hear about on TV a lot. Entitled youth everywhere. If so, I feel bad for everyone who has to put up with it.

>>5522602
>Men aren't even an afterthought right now, people legitimately believe in "male privilege" and think men face no issues because they have a Y chromosome.
This is because men are default, it's actually a big problem that issues like "why are mostly boys doing school shootings" are never brought to the table because the fact that they are male is never considered by most people. If a crime was committed by mostly girls, people would look into female issues in society, but this isnt the case with boys because people often don't consider that factor. I agree with you, but it doesn't disprove male privilege, it only shows how it HURTS men. No one thinks that men have it easy, that's just an assumption that a lot of men make about that discussion because they are afraid of losing their privilege, whether they realize it or not. Or, maybe they assume we mean that because theyre the type of people who think women have it easy? I don't know.

Men and women consume movies equally
Video games are consumed by more men because they specifically cater to them. Any close look at the most popular game shows that they are made with males in mind FIRST.

Also, men being the default in our society is pretty much a sociological FACT so it's not worth discussing.

This board is stupidly entertaining. It's like /fa/, /r9k/, and /adv/ had a retarded down-syndrome child.

>>5524215

No kidding. I thought this would have died out the last, what, four or five times it made its way to page five? I guess tell women what they don't want to hear, and they'll spend hours trying to convince you otherwise, regardless of troll status.

You know, I was just having a discussion with a friend of mine (female) about how 'Bromance' is a female concept because they can't understand the depth of male relationships and feel that there must be something going on between men if they're really good friends because they think it impossible to have that kind of bond in absence of a shared sexual experience.

>>5524250
Plenty of guys make lesbian jokes when two girls spend a lot of time together too. If two girls share a bed they go into overdrive.