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  • File: 1329701171.png-(62 KB, 557x272, gcunt.png)
    62 KB Gutterface Anonymous 02/19/12(Sun)20:26 No.5513998  
    so she was laying low for a while.
    but she is still batshit as usual

    http://youtu.be/YH1PjwaQ2Bo
    >> Anonymous 02/19/12(Sun)20:31 No.5514025
    http://youtu.be/6PoP0Uz7Msg
    >> Anonymous 02/19/12(Sun)21:52 No.5514234
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    >I'm better than everyone! I'm so unique! I'm a fucking god, worship me!

    I'm fucking tired of this bitch.
    >> Anonymous 02/19/12(Sun)21:55 No.5514244
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    >>5514234
    but she's going to change the world!
    >> Anonymous 02/19/12(Sun)22:06 No.5514294
    Is this that chick that decapitated a birds head and jarred kittens or something?
    >> Anonymous 02/19/12(Sun)22:08 No.5514300
    >>5514294
    yes
    >> Anonymous 02/19/12(Sun)22:21 No.5514350
    I'm sick of seeing this stupid self-obsessed bitch all over tumblr. She seriously thinks she's this fabulously artistic goth guy? Spare me.
    >> Anonymous 02/19/12(Sun)22:25 No.5514364
    >>5514350
    Or rather, to add onto it, she gives the impression of wanting to be trans to get attention considering her self important personality, while still wearing makeup and present as female while essentially being a straight girl
    >> Anonymous 02/19/12(Sun)22:26 No.5514372
    >>5514364
    she isn't a straight girl though.
    she's a lesbian.
    She's "engaged" to two other goffik fake boys just like herself.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/12(Mon)07:45 No.5515911
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    bump
    >> Anonymous 02/20/12(Mon)10:00 No.5516104
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    >>5515911
    That picture burned my soul.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/12(Mon)10:15 No.5516129
    >>5515911
    ....eugh. Her eye makeup looks disgusting as fuck.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/12(Mon)10:16 No.5516130
    >>5516129
    >Everything in the picture is disgusting as fuck.
    FTFY
    >> Anonymous 02/20/12(Mon)22:01 No.5518358
    bump
    >> Anonymous 02/20/12(Mon)22:03 No.5518367
    >>5515911

    that picture made me fart it's so nasty.

    lemme guess, she's one of those hairy-pit feminazis now too?
    >> Anonymous 02/21/12(Tue)08:19 No.5520053
    >>5518367
    More like she probably thinks it makes her look ~manry~
    >> Anonymous 02/21/12(Tue)08:26 No.5520074
    I like Gutterface, I met him at Ohayocon and he was pretty cool. I'll admit I was one of those people who constantly would go after him in threads, but when met him IRL I realized all that ED/cgl mess didn't even come up. We laughed & even went out to eat with his othe friends.
    >> Anonymous 02/21/12(Tue)08:35 No.5520104
    >>5520074
    *her
    >> Anonymous 02/21/12(Tue)08:52 No.5520146
    "She"? I thought i heard him/her say she/he had a penis on the video.
    >> Anonymous 02/21/12(Tue)10:22 No.5520388
    >>5520146
    She's lying. Her real name is like Ayla or something.

    And it doesn't matter if she's "nice" in public when you first meet her, that doesn't change that she is a thief and a scammer. She's stolen and damaged dolls up to hundreds of dollars in the BJD community, as well as scammed money from dred fall makers.
    >> Anonymous 02/21/12(Tue)17:24 No.5521627
    >>5520074
    >>5520146

    That's funny considering how several of her friends used to come in here in threads about her and tell about how she never gives a fuck about being called a girl or acting like one offline.
    >> Anonymous 02/21/12(Tue)17:49 No.5521708
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    ...I kind of feel as if he/she is trying to convert me to something in those videos. I can't even explain it. Like when Mormon people come to your door.
    >> Anonymous 02/21/12(Tue)23:19 No.5522888
    >>5513998

    What I don't get is how she can be on both ends of an argument at once:

    "I'm actually really great."

    Then

    "I don't even like myself."

    It's like she's trying to get pity from all angles.
    >> Anonymous 02/21/12(Tue)23:25 No.5522913
    >>5520074

    I think that being on the internet too long or being too invested in the internet will fuck even the sanest, most rational person up and make them get angry at and react to things they should just shake off, but even if this is the case with Gutterface and she really does act like a nice, sensible person offline, she still shows signs of being hungry for attention and praise and whatever else and desperate to get it when she really should only care about bettering herself, not getting attention.

    I think she needs a good friend that isn't into all the dreadfalls and thick boots and facemetal and bodymod goth-dandy-mcqueen/oscar wilde/poe/GaGa stuff to just remind her to chill out and not get so caught up in the small stuff. Like a Buddhist-monk inspired minimalist hippie or something.
    >> Anonymous 02/21/12(Tue)23:26 No.5522917
    >>5521708

    She's trying to make you into one of her butt-kissing admirers.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)02:26 No.5523607
    >>5514294

    wait wat
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)02:33 No.5523626
    >>5520146
    LOL no, she doesn't have a penis. She still has tits as well.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)02:39 No.5523640
    Who is this bitch? Link me to her ED.
    >inb4 you must be new here
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)02:41 No.5523645
    >>5523640
    googlefu
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)02:44 No.5523652
    http://gutterface.deviantart.com/

    https://twitter.com/#!/gutterface

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kai-Gutterface-Biernot/121055517952281
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)04:47 No.5524030
    >>5520146
    >>5523626

    To be fair, saying you 'have a penis' could also mean you just have a cheap dildo you bought off the internet so that, technically, you do have a penis and can say so.

    Tricky bitches be tricky.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)04:48 No.5524034
    >>5523640

    http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Kazakai
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)04:51 No.5524044
    >>5523607

    She brags about her 'hobbies' which include, but are certainly not limited to, cannibalism, taxidermy, thrifting, drinking tea, poetry, collecting dead animal parts, collecting religious relics of various dark arts, etc.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)19:56 No.5526084
    bump
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)20:02 No.5526111
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MTGYk_MVw8

    One of her daily 800 videos and photos she posts of herself. I love how she tags everything of herself with "Goth boy"....
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)20:11 No.5526143
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    More of her insightfulness she ceaselessly posts
    >> count d 02/22/12(Wed)20:13 No.5526147
    why do people hate gutterface so much
    he seems to be a decent person?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)20:14 No.5526152
    >>5526147
    Combative, obnoxious self obsessed delusional cunt.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)20:17 No.5526159
    >>5526143
    We don't think its wrong. We think it looks like shit.

    And comparing tongue splitting, large gauges and facial piercings to hair dye, nail cutting and shaving is like comparing a paper cut to leg amputation.

    Crazy shit man.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)20:21 No.5526172
    What is it's original gender?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)20:27 No.5526196
    >>5526147

    You don't pay attention to her very well do you? Most of the shit she does is for attention, including the trans* activism shit. She may seem nice but all her parading around screaming about being 'queer as hell' is damaging the image of people who aren't like her because they get lumped in with her.

    I had to explain this principle to my grandmother and mother at dinner an hour ago- just because you see all those annoying flaming faggots on TV doesn't mean all gay guys are like that.

    But as far as Gutter goes she's just adopting labels that garner her as much attention, good or bad, as possible.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)20:29 No.5526202
    >>5526172
    Born sex is female, identifies hen gender as male.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)20:31 No.5526211
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    >>5526143

    Shaving and cutting your nails isn't body modification, it's fucking HYGIENE you pig bitch.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/12(Wed)20:33 No.5526216
    >>5526202

    No she doesn't, she just says she's a boy for the attentions. Good luck catching her acting any bit like a boy outside of her youtube and tumblr.

    saying you're a boy =/= you are a boy
    >> Anonymous 02/23/12(Thu)16:52 No.5529443
    bump
    >> Anonymous 02/23/12(Thu)17:02 No.5529474
    >>5526147
    She's even worse than ~Neo~Classic~Necko~, that's why.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/12(Thu)17:03 No.5529478
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    I googled her real name the other day when she came up in a conversation to make sure I remembered it right and ran across this... It was posted a year ago but it was news to me. Apparently she is physically abusive towards her girlfriend too? What a keeper.
    >> Lilitu !!xrorRTcEU5x 02/23/12(Thu)17:25 No.5529542
    >>5526147
    Personally for me it's the same reason I don't like Lady Gaga as a person. They both use LBGT related things for attention.

    And that for me is the only reason I can't stand this person.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/12(Thu)21:59 No.5530471
    >>5529478

    She's a liar and a thief and a terrible person all around but she pretends to be so nice and plays the victim when those ~wahhh internet bullies~ start reminding people that she is a scammer, a thief, and a liar so her ignorant, willfully blind fans will go defend her while she sits back and watcher her misogynist ego get stroked.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/12(Thu)22:00 No.5530475
    >>5530471

    derp, meant to quote >>5526147
    and >>5529542
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)02:55 No.5531300
    bump
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)04:32 No.5531406
    I know this is probably petty and a little bit silly, but I hate that her hobbies list is very similar to mine. (Hopefully with the obvious exclusion of cannibalism - WTF seriously.) Taxidermy especially is a bit of an odd hobby, with a bad reputation already. It doesn't need people like her cementing that you have to be some kind of fucking weirdo who kills animals to be interested in it. I don't want people to think I'm a serial killer, or some wannabe ~*Special snowflake*~ when I tell them about my hobbies.

    Also drinking tea isn't a fucking hobby, pretentious dickwad fuuuuuu yes I mad.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)07:18 No.5531564
    >>5531406

    You like stretching your ears and splitting your tongue and getting Dir en grey lyric tattoos for attention, too?

    Kidding, kidding. She really does that, though. In fact that's the only reason she does it- she likes the 'weirdness' of it all.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)07:25 No.5531577
    >>5531564
    >stretching earlobes
    >split tongue
    These things are so fucking gross and they look so fucking nasty on ANYONE let alone her weird ass.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)07:27 No.5531580
    >>5531564
    >>5531577
    Oh not to mention apparently letting said tongue get all nasty and THEN taking pictures of it to show off.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)07:38 No.5531588
    >>5531564
    Ohh, I must admit, you had me for a second then Anon. My jimmies were momentarily rustled.

    It just baffles me, how someone can pretend to have such a massive interest in these things, dedicate so much time and money into them JUST for attention. She must be entirely void of any legitimate personality or interests, I'm sure anyone else would've just given up or gotten bored after this long. That or she's pretended long enough to convince herself. I don't even know.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)08:05 No.5531608
    If she shaved, was a good person and didn't act pants-on-the-head retarded, I'd probably have a crush on her. I love me some goth chicks.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)08:13 No.5531618
    >>5531588

    She probably does the hipster thing and only learns JUST ENOUGH about a fad to seem involved in it then forgets about it until it's mentioned, then uses her spare time to hunt down more edgy trends.

    >I'm sure anyone else would've just given up or gotten bored after this long

    Which is why I'm pretty sure she's got some kind of mental/emotional problem. It seems like she doesn't just crave negative attention, she NEEDS it to live.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)08:14 No.5531620
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    >>5531588
    Not the Anon you're replying to, but I know that feel. We have some similar interests as well. I've become interested in collecting animal bones for craft-related purposes, but I'm certainly not going to kill the fucking animals to get them. Stumbling across something good is half the fun.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)08:28 No.5531628
    oh gosh this girl is scary
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)08:30 No.5531631
    She's passively responding to this thread on her tumblr. It's hilarious.

    >You call me a woman because you cant believe that a man could ever be this beautiful.

    >irritated. i have so much on my plate right now and my head hurts. its hard to not just break down any cry for hours into my whiskey bottle.

    I guess now whiskey or alcoholism is gonna be her new thing?
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)08:35 No.5531636
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    >Viktor ‘Joji’ Grey. I wish I was as pretty as he is…

    I... I don't even...

    Why are people so fucking retarded?
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)09:00 No.5531660
    >>5531618
    What a pitiful existence. :(
    >>5531620
    Exactly, I don't really have much more to add as you've summed it all up. Also laughed heartily at the pic.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)09:59 No.5531728
    >>5531588
    Curious thing about certain fetishes is that they have nothing to do with the sex or the act, but everything to do with the fact that it's an attention grabbing, taboo thing to do that disgusts other people.

    Like, you know when you tell a little not to do something and then they get all hyper and giddy and do it anyways and they're like, "Oooo.. Gonna get in trouble~!"

    It's like that, except she gets off to it. Deviant behavior is typified by the sort of proud, rebellious, repugnant behavior she displays. Being a gross, attention-whoring retard is just part of the act.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:12 No.5531747
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    Honestly, I really like Gutterface's style and photographs. Their style of drawing is pretty interesting too, and skilled for someone who just started out.

    But, I have spoken to Gutterface on occasion and gleamed over their Facebook and Youtube, and they are a huge bitch, not to mention all their interesting activities like cannibalism and polygomy. Gutterface is rude and likes to argue and it's a shame because I am a fan of their style.

    I'm using 'their' since most of you see Gutterface as a female and I can already see a thousand >'he' replies to this.
    When I started out seeing Gutterface's occasional photo on the front page of dA I had no idea that Gutterface was a FTM or a girl or whatever. I spent about a year thinking that Gutterface was a boy because that's how they presented themselves and I've never seen them in girly outfits. Sure, Gutterface wears make-up but they're fucking goth. Most goths wear that exact same make-up, regardless of gender.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:14 No.5531751
    >>5531747
    She's worn many things with her tits practically hanging out. They're even on her DA
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:16 No.5531755
    >>5531751
    This, also

    >A thousand 'he" replies

    Lol no, no one here think she's a man. At all.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:22 No.5531775
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    >>5531751
    Where. I have Gutterface's entire gallery stored on my computer but I see nothing like that. They tend to wear thick layers and/or a binder.

    I'm not trying to whiteknight or be one of their megafans, but I just don't see a need to use their gender identity and body modification as an excuse to attack them.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:26 No.5531784
    >>5531775
    The fact is that she says she's trans (has been for YEARS) and has not taken ANY steps to transition. Usually someone who is trans will be very anxious to start their transition and even though it does take a while, there will usually be obvious signs after a couple years.

    She's not even trying to transition and it ruins her believability that she's trans.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:27 No.5531790
    >>5531775
    Convenient for you isn't it? She put all her phhotos in storage on DA.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:32 No.5531798
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    >>5531784
    Once again, not trying to whiteknight, but you don't know their situation. Not everyone goes on T, breast surgery is 7k+ and god knows how much it costs to get a damn penis. Gutterface could barely scrape up $200 to get their tongue split; I doubt they can even begin to afford the transition.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:32 No.5531799
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    >>5531790
    I can dump them for you.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:33 No.5531800
    >>5531798
    $300. And she's been buying this kind of shit forever, modifications, wigs, etc, while never saving up to transition. That's a bad sign.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:33 No.5531801
    >>5531775
    Her entire gallery has been put into storage on devart, but generally any of the "Cyber punk" pictures. There used to be like three of her pictures with her tits out on her profile page, all accompanied with "DON'T DRAW ME WITH TITS I'M A BOY I DON'T HAVE TITS!" Underneath.

    The reason people attack her about her "Gender identity issues" Is because she doesn't have any. She's just doing it for attention. She's been "out" as a transperson for what, well over six years now? And has made how much progress down the road of gender re-assignment?
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:33 No.5531802
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    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:36 No.5531809
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    >>5531801
    >>5531800
    Let's agree their not transitioning, but they sure have spent the last /six/ /years/ dressing and presenting themselves as a man. That's enough to convince most people, including the state. You only have to live as the opposite gender for a year to get your name changed.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:37 No.5531811
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    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:37 No.5531812
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    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:38 No.5531813
    >>5531798
    If she didn't waste her money on hair dye, piercings, shit ton of EDGY fashion and accessories she'd have enough money for T.

    Maybe if she got a fucking job instead of being a leech to everyone around her she'd have INSURANCE that would help pay for her transition.

    Don't give me the "she's too poor!!" excuse. If it's something you want with all your heart and soul then money is not an issue. Being a man is way higher on the list than getting your tongue split if you're trans. She's a lying attention whore piece of shit, just accept it.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:38 No.5531814
    >>5531798
    >not trying to whiteknight

    But that's exactly what you're doing.

    Exactly. If she was really trans, she would have saved that money for her transition fund instead of buying a fucking useless surgery that doesn't help her transition whatsoever.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:38 No.5531815
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    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:40 No.5531818
    >>5531809
    No she hasn't. She only does it online. She has done nothing in real life to make people think she's male, she lives as a female in real life and uses her female name.

    You're such a whiteknight it's painful.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:40 No.5531819
    >>5531813
    She wouldn't get approved though. You have to see a therapist first and NO therapist would agree to give her T.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:41 No.5531820
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    >>5531813
    >>5531814

    I agree, they should get a job and save up money instead of leeching, but I don't see that happening. I'm not saying that Gutterface is a mega good person who is too busy buying soup for hobos to get T, but I am saying that their poor money management doesn't make them any less trans.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:42 No.5531823
    >>5531809
    Are you serious? You, yourself, just now, posted a picture of her in hot pink fishnets and a tiny denim skirt, face caked in neon make up and false lashes, wearing a feminine wig. But she's dressing like a man. Okay. 90% of her dA gallery looked like this, for a good four years. The "Manly" Pictures she's been posting have only been for the past two years or so.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:42 No.5531825
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    >>5531818
    I'm sorry, you know them in real life then?
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:43 No.5531828
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    >>5531823
    Still not seeing any boobs. That is a really old photo though. Gutterface hasn't done the whole candy kid thing for a long time.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:44 No.5531829
    >>5531820
    Even so, there are still a lot of things you can do to make yourself look more like a guy if you're trans and you can't afford therapy/T/surgery.

    For one, she could try lowering her voice. You can strengthen your vocal chords so your voice can be lower. She uses her normal voice and sounds like a fucking girl.

    She should also be using a male name ALL the time and not just on the fucking internet.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:44 No.5531832
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    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:44 No.5531833
    >>5531825
    Yeah I leave on the east coast and go to cons and see them alot, everyone calls her "her" and she does not react at all ever. Haven't seen her this year, she didn't go to whatever con just passed, can't recall the name. But ACen is soon and I can't imagine she's changed since last year seeing as she's spouted the same bullshit online for so long and done nothing about it in real life.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:45 No.5531835
    >>5531833
    >leave
    >live
    What the fuck, self?
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:46 No.5531839
    >>5531825
    And I'm sure you do? Face it, your'e losing this debate.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:46 No.5531840
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    >>5531829
    Are you even serious right now.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:47 No.5531843
    Gender's on a spectrum. If Gutterface identifies as a feminine-presenting male, so be it. Give him the pronoun usage he prefers, regardless of if he's on T or saving up for gender reassignment, or even planning on surgery or hormone therapy at all. All this "he's not ~really trans*~" talk shouldn't be the issue we have with him. The issue is he's a lying, scamming, kitten-murdering sack of shit who may or may not be abusive and who by poor example is casting a negative light on the trans* community.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:47 No.5531845
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    >>5531839
    I'm just saying you have no more proof than I do.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:48 No.5531847
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    >>5531843
    This is what I'm trying to say.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:49 No.5531849
    A lot of FtM people I know doesn't get the operation because it's not as safe as the MtF ones.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:49 No.5531851
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    >mega old photo, but I promised to dump so I am.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:50 No.5531853
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    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:50 No.5531854
    As much as I hate even talking about Gutterface, mainly because I agree with /cgl/, Static has a point.
    Without really knowing shim, I can't really say what they're trying to do. Though I am inclined to agree with a previous poster about this being like Lady Gaga, someone I actually liked until she pulled that shit about Stephanie = straight, Gaga = bi. I'm not gay at all and the sheer hypocrisy pissed me off.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:51 No.5531856
    >>5531849
    But practically all ftm trans will go on T.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:51 No.5531857
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    >>5531854
    I didn't hear about that. Explain?
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:52 No.5531862
    >>5531856
    Yeah, but for some it takes a while.
    My older sister knows a guy who had to wait until he was 27 for T.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:52 No.5531864
    >>5531854
    >>5531849
    >>5531845
    >>5531843
    The samefag here is fucking astounding.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:53 No.5531866
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    >>5531856
    Seriously though, who are you to decide what 'all' trans do.

    Anon already pointed out that their probably too batshit to even get on T. I don't know much about what the doctor needs to see from the person to put them on T, but I do think they'd have them sort out their problems first.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:54 No.5531867
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    >>5531864
    Keep telling yourself that, honey.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:54 No.5531868
    >>5531864
    >"I don't like what's being said so I'm just going to cry 'samefag!'"
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:54 No.5531869
    >>5531866
    >first word is practically
    I didn't say all trans. Fuck learn to read.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:55 No.5531871
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    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:55 No.5531873
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    >>5531869
    >accept you're losing this debate, Static
    >fucking learn to read

    lol okay
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:56 No.5531874
    >>5531867
    >getting defensive
    >I'M NOT WHITEKNIGHTING!!!!
    You're the only one in here that is defending her. It's not hard to drop a trip and samefag to pretend others are agreeing with you.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:56 No.5531875
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    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:57 No.5531877
    >>5531873
    You didn't read the post correctly. My point remains valid.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:57 No.5531882
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    Since I'm a genderqueer I kind of hate this thread.
    Also Gutterface is an idiot.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)10:58 No.5531883
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    >>5531874
    Lol, okay. I don't really see how saying that they are a dickwad, but their gender has nothing to do with it makes me whiteknight.

    also
    >implying i care enough to samefag
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:59 No.5531885
    >>5531866
    not who you're replying to, but I'm pretty sure stating a statistic which you can back up isn't the same as trying to lay down the law for what people should or shouldn't do. If she's too batshit to ever get on T then she needs to at least stop fucking lying about actually being a male, or being in the process of transitioning. Or whatever fairytale she feels like is her reality today. She can go on about how she's a man trapped in a woman's body all she likes, but she needs to stop claiming to be a guy. Oh, and her name change isn't legal or official, IIRC. So, even less progress made.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)10:59 No.5531886
    >>5531883
    >I DON'T CARE
    >LOOK HOW MUCH I DON'T CARE!!!
    >I'M GOING TO POST ALL OF HER PICS AND WHITEKNIGHT TO PROVE I DON'T CARE!!!!
    >LOOK!!!! I DON'T CARE!!!!!!
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)11:00 No.5531891
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    >>5531877
    Okay fine, cuntsauce. If 'practically' all trans people go on T, why is it impossible for Gutterface to be a part of the people who don't?

    >lets ignore people like >>5531862
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)11:02 No.5531893
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    >>5531885
    I've honestly never seen where they've actually claimed to be a full package man. Screencap please?
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:02 No.5531894
    >>5531891
    She has the ability to save up, she just doesn't. That's not an excuse to not go through with her transition. If she was really serious about it, she'd save her money instead of buying material things that she can do without.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)11:03 No.5531900
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    >>5531886
    >omg she has boobs out all over the place!
    >oh no i dont see any photos with boobs out
    >make it stop, i was wrong and don't want to admit it
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:04 No.5531902
    >>5531893
    Watch her most recent vid on youtube. She clearly says 'I have a penis' or something to that extent. And she always refers to herself as a boy and usually denies she has breasts.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:05 No.5531905
    >>5531882
    As a genderqueer, how do you feel about Gutterface's lack of transition? Are you making a transition yourself?
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:05 No.5531906
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    >>5531900
    Just shut up. Oh my god.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:05 No.5531909
    >>5531900
    THERE ARE PICTURES IN THIS FUCKING THREAD WHERE HER BOOBS ARE CLEARLY VISIBLE. ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? DO YOU HAVE SELECTIVE VISION OR SOMETHING????
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:07 No.5531913
    >>5531885
    He can "claim to be" male all he wants, regardless of if he is PHYSICALLY male. That's how gender works. It doesn't need to be biological, and just because he's not making a transition doesn't mean he's not "male enough."
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:07 No.5531916
    >>5531905
    I don't really care about him at all. I only knew who he was through some stupid assholes on tumblr who kept saying "you're just like him!"
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:08 No.5531920
    >>5531864
    You're fucking retarded.
    Then again, if you put this much energy into hating someone you don't know, chances are you lead a very sad life.
    For what it's worth, I am one of those posts and I have posted once in this thread. But honestly, I don't really give a shit what you think, as your probably a sole proprietor of kotakoti and pixyteri threads too.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:08 No.5531921
    >>5531893
    I have something even better than a screencap; A video. As soon as her face loaded, my flash player crashed. I lol'd.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH1PjwaQ2Bo&list=UU9iV8hkmrqK2dJbSDV_RUQA&index=3&feature
    =plcp
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:08 No.5531923
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    >>5531906
    if it don't matter how comes she covered the nips
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:10 No.5531929
    >>5531913
    As an ftm, this comment right here is the most closed minded uneducated thing I've ever fucking heard. Please, just stop.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)11:10 No.5531930
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    >>5531894
    I'm somewhat agreeing here, but there's flaws. In the meantime of their saving (or not) they are dressing very much like a man, so what's the problem?

    Would you attack a poor trans person who honestly couldn't save money, but they still passed or attempted to pass? Or perhaps someone who was afraid to go under the knife and possibly die? Let me say strongly that I'm not saying that's Gutterface at all, I'm just saying, why do you have to go through all the medical changes to be omgrealtrans?

    There's plenty of legit reasons why a trans person hasn't gotten surgery or T/E yet, but if they are presenting and passing as their gender, why does it matter?
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:11 No.5531932
    >>5531920
    You obviously care enough to reply. My god I think you're even more retarded.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:11 No.5531933
    >>5531916
    Ugh that is awful and I'm sorry for the comparison - not because he's "not really trans" but because he's an awful fucking person and I wouldn't wish that comparison on anyone.

    >>5531923
    Good point!

    Also, Static, by arguing "but he doesn't have tits/binds/whatever, look at how male he looks in these photos" you're kind of wrecking your own argument. I get that you're trying to prove a point, but it doesn't matter.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)11:12 No.5531936
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    >>5531909
    Fucking where.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:13 No.5531939
    >>5531933
    Just kidding, you cleared it up in >>5531930 this post. Sorry bro.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)11:14 No.5531943
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    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:15 No.5531944
    >>5531913
    Except, it doesn't. And I was talking about how she claims to be physically male - "I have a penis."
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)11:15 No.5531945
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    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:15 No.5531947
    >>5531932
    Nice one.
    Yes, I care enough to call someone out on being a bitch.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)11:16 No.5531949
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    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:16 No.5531951
    >>5531933
    The worst part about it is that I am trying to blur out my gender borders subtly. And I don't scream about it. I just make sure people refer to me by my chosen name (officially changed within a moth!) and and call me neutral pronouns.
    Not like gutterface who doesn't seem to know what gender identy really is.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)11:17 No.5531954
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    brb
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:18 No.5531956
    >>5531951
    Respect.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:18 No.5531961
    >>5531944
    "It doesn't" what? And that's a valid point - I forgot about that claim in his video.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:21 No.5531968
    >>5531961
    "It doesn't" Was in response to
    >He can "claim to be" male all he wants, regardless of if he is PHYSICALLY male. That's how gender works. It doesn't need to be biological...

    As in "It doesn't work like that."
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:21 No.5531972
    The main goal for most trans people is to pass as the gender they feel most comfortable with. You don't HAVE to take T or have surgery if your not comfortable going through that but at least TRY.

    I'm an ftm who hasn't gotten T or had surgery. But I've taken steps to make sure I pass and feel more like a guy. (although I am considering chest surgery since I'd like to go shirtless once in a while)

    Gutterface probably wouldn't pass on the streets. She looks too much like a girl. She wouldn't even pass as an androgynous guy. Her facial structure is just too feminine.

    My point is. I don't believe she's trans. Not because she's not on T and isn't planning on having surgery, but she's not trying to pass.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:22 No.5531976
    >>5531951
    Good for you! I hope your name change goes well.

    >>5531968
    Okay, gotcha. But the thing is that is how it works; gender is a social construct, so gender identity can fluctuate. It operates on a spectrum.
    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)11:26 No.5531991
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    >> Static !u/KkqQFcB2 02/24/12(Fri)11:27 No.5531997
    Ending my dump because this isn't really going anywhere.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:29 No.5532001
    >>5531972
    I think the inherent difficulty with arguing about Gutterface/fakebois in general is the added problem of the possibility of doing it as an attention-seeking behavior. Gutterface's steps (or lack thereof) toward transition aside, he identifies male. I can understand the frustration from someone who is making the transition and going through the problems you may face, and I apologize - I don't mean to demean or belittle yours, or any other trans person's efforts. But I believe that Gutterface has the right to identify male, even if he makes no attempt at passing or transitioning. Perhaps it's even an issue of ignorance, like >>5531951 said. Gutterface might not be entirely sure on the realities of gender identity.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:32 No.5532013
    >>5531976
    Oh, I must have imagined that we all have chromosomes and gender specific hormones, because they're a social construct. I wasn't aware that animals were genderless, they don't have society so they can't have genders, right?
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:35 No.5532019
    >>5532013
    Gender and sex are two different things, buddy.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:35 No.5532021
    >>5532013
    No. I think you need to educate yourself on issues of sex, which is what you seem to be concerned with, an issues of gender and gender identity, which are being addressed in this thread.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:36 No.5532027
    >>5531972
    The reason to not believe she's trans is because she treats it just like another special snowflake counterculture badge. She's calling herself trans because it's another deviant behavior that she thinks is totally freaking out the normies.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:38 No.5532030
    >>5531913
    >>5531956
    >>5531968
    >>5531976

    OK lemme clear this up right now:

    Gender is not JUST 'how you feel'. It is how you PRESENT YOURSELF, how you act, how you see yourself, and how you live. If you make NO effort, you do not get to call yourself a man or a woman just because you ~feel like it~.

    If you give a fuck you make a real effort to look the part. Saying 'all it takes to be a man is to say you are one' is a bullshit yaoiboi cop out excuse so they don't have to do anything real or permanent.

    Females do not have the ability to cover themselves in ambiguous clothing and makeup and call that 'looking like a man'. Sorry, but it's true.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:40 No.5532042
    >>5531991

    Can someone explain to me what is so weird about her nose? There's just something I can't quite place.... Something off...

    I know she claims to be hafu German and Japanese desu! but no Eurasian I have EVER seen has had a nose like that. And they're my fetish so I've seen quite a few.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:40 No.5532043
    >>5532030
    But gender is socially constructed, so presentation of gender is similarly a social construction. If you're a trans person and you're making attempts at passing or transitioning, that's great. If you're a trans person who just made the pronoun shift and that's all, that's your prerogative. I don't see why they should be considered "less trans," especially in a community that revolves around acceptance and, more importantly, rejection of cultural norms.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:44 No.5532058
    >>5532021
    >>5532019
    Okay, fair point. I've been taught it's best to assume it being synonymous with "Sex" but, that was probably against better my better judgement in this case.
    But, my original post still stands, she was claiming to be biologically male.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:46 No.5532067
    >>5532058
    And that's not correct.
    But I'm saying possession of a penis does not necessarily indicate maleness, and above all that shouldn't be /cgl/'s issue with Gutterface.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:48 No.5532071
    >>5532067
    *that being Gutterface's claim that he is biologically male. Sorry for the ambiguity, haha.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:48 No.5532073
    >>5532043
    >rejection of cultural norms.

    That's not what Transgenderism is about. It's about not identifying with the stereotype handed to you at birth because of your anatomy and going with the other. It's all based in stereotypes and norms. Transmen want to be normal men, transwomen want to be normal women. Then all the speshul snowflake bastardization happened and now everyone thinks being FTM is just what you aspire to be, not just a term used for men in transition from female to male.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:51 No.5532084
    >>5532067
    Well, no. But her claiming to be biologically male is still a lie, I believe I said in the first post you linked to? Saying "I have a penis." Isn't the same as saying "I identify as a male." Pretty sure I said I don't care if she says the latter.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:52 No.5532087
    >>5532073
    I can see your point. Is your point of contention with Gutterface that s/he's identifying trans at all, then, when another adjective might be more appropriate, like genderqueer or non-binary?
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:55 No.5532096
    Is it bad that, except for the huge gages, she's actually a very attractive (okay hot) girl. She's too feminine looking to biologically be a guy.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)11:56 No.5532099
    >>5532084
    Granted. That's the problem, then, that one is not the other, and that seems to be what Gutterface is confused on.

    >>5532087
    ...or is it just that Gutterface is attempting to appropriate gender identity for attention? Which I can understand a lot more than just being upset that they're not making an attempt at passing.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)12:00 No.5532119
    >>5532087

    My beef with Gutter is that she does shit like this:
    >>5531906
    >>5531847
    >>5531943

    And calls herself a gay man while doing nothing to look or act or present or live like one. She's just dressing like a common goth/cyberpunk mix with all her feminine makeup piled on and saying she's a real gei boi so she can get the attention from fake trans-activism shit like that.

    There wouldn't be an issue with a female that dressed goth, had interests in facemetal, big clunky boots, tea, poetry, etc., and identified and made an actual effort to present as male and still made an effort to transition instead of just using it as a tool to garner attention like Gutterface does.

    The only adjective I think could be applied to Gutterface with any real certainty is 'desperate', as in 'for attention'. She has a long history of jumping onto the newest underground fad and riding it for as long as she gets attention out of it, this FTM facade of hers is no different.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)12:01 No.5532128
    >>5532099
    >>5532099
    >>5532099
    >...or is it just that Gutterface is attempting to appropriate gender identity for attention?

    That is literally the TL;DR for every Gutterface thread, ever.
    How the shit do people still not get that she is doing this? It's written in plain English over and over and over and over...
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)12:04 No.5532137
    >>5532119
    >>5532128
    I think the possibility of Gutterface's attention-seeking is what really skews the whole argument, here, and probably why we can have thread after thread started, filled, and then derailed with gender identity arguments.

    That and /cgl/'s notorious penchant for beating dead horses.
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    >>5531893
    oauswbfOFUVBSAOUYFVBSA
    STOP FUCK
    GOD DAMNIT
    I CRINGED
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)12:08 No.5532151
    >>5532137

    What I don't understand is how you can say it's only a 'possibility' when it's been proven with so many things: BJD's, cybergoth/raver gear, her "FTM Lolita line", her decora phase, her Rammstein obsession, her shitty 'Deutsche' mimicry, her past Dir en grey fandom, her McQueen/GaGa/Oscar Wilde fandoms (which she only got into when they became popular), her past stories of incestuous FTM lovers, her past stories of being boilogically male and just a transvestite who fucked Jrockers at anime cons, etc.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)12:09 No.5532156
    >>5532149

    Don't worry, Static stopped Gutterspam dumping.

    And lol my 6 year old neice could make a better looking mascara 'stache than that.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)12:13 No.5532171
    >>5532151
    Good lord. I'm not as avidly into Gutterface's background, and perhaps misunderstood the hatred; I know about the BJD scamming, the nasty as shit tongue split, the kittens in formaldehyde, and the Youtube channel. I never have been a Gutterface fan for those reasons, but didn't realize there was such a backlog of crazy to substantiate this notion of trans-for-attention. Gutterface confirmed for batshit.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)12:14 No.5532176
    >>5532171

    Dude, that's just what I remember off the top of my head from back when I was only a lurker here a couple years ago.

    I'm too scared to go look for more, but I know it's out there.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)12:16 No.5532181
    >>5532151
    >her past stories of incestuous FTM lovers

    Who would also end up 'in the hospital' on a regular basis or who had 'committed suicide' several times each.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)12:18 No.5532188
    >>5532151
    >>5532181

    And the numerous mentions of hinted IV recreational drug usage when she was 14-17.
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    >>5532181
    tell me more
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)12:20 No.5532196
    >>5532171

    It's all on her ED page, man.
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    >>5532196
    It has been updated since last I looked. Delicious dramu, here I come.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)12:24 No.5532209
    >>5532194
    http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Kazakai#.27A_tale_of_Incest_and_woe.27_Akari.27s_Gallery

    >past stories of being boilogically male and just a transvestite who fucked Jrockers at anime cons
    http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Kazakai#Sex_with_Ruki

    She also latched onto BDSM a while ago, which is where this gem comes from:

    >"I am a very needy domme. I demand degrading tasks and complete servitude from my PETS.

    >submission to me is a very personal thing, its not about sex or physical things, its about connection on a personal level to understand your Mistress' needs and wants. if you cannot understand who I am, how the hell do you expect to please me? I cross dress as a male from time to time and I am a GOD of androgyny and adore that trait about myself."

    >domme
    >I cross dress as a male

    Addressing herself as female.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)12:41 No.5532247
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    Have a look at what hides under all that shoop.

    Her face is so... big...
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)13:15 No.5532329
    >>5532247
    I can't believe she makes gifs of herself....
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)13:37 No.5532361
    >>5532329

    And uses them on tumblr as replies to posts.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)13:41 No.5532374
    >>5532361
    Yes, it's so fucking dumb. Her thousands of followers think she's so cute and inspirational but she's just so disgustingly self obsessed that all she's interested in is posting pictures of herself.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)15:22 No.5532629
    >>5526211
    Actually that is a form of modification. You are changing your body from its natural state. We only cut our nails and shave because it is something everyone is expected to do so if you don't you become "unhygienic" by society's standards . We didn't even start shaving our legs, but a hundred or so years ago.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)16:04 No.5532808
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    Alright, let's stop all this arguing about 'trans or not trans' and focus on what a fucking cuntbag 'it' is.

    Exhibit A
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)16:06 No.5532814
    >>5532629
    Man, seriously, fuck the first person who decided shaved legs should be a beauty standard.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)16:11 No.5532827
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    >>5532808
    Exhibit B
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)16:14 No.5532838
    Gutterface is stupid as fuck. She does nothing to act male and demands you call it that way, and gets mad when people mess up. Stating you wouldn't do that to family. Well I have some news for her, I got my name legally changed 8 years ago and my parents still call me by my birth name. Even though no one else does, ever. Habits are hard to break.

    How does this apply to gutterbitch, you ask? Well on every ID, card, or anything legal she has female names. And on top of that, society teaches us that girl and boy are based on how you look. If you present yourself as a female you will get called she regardless of what you claim to be or might be physically, same for the male aspect. She looks like a woman 100% she presents herself as a woman, her attire and makeup is not masculine in the slightest. Neither is her physique. That's a life-time of social etiquette she's asking people to just "get over"
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)21:02 No.5533903
    >>5532247
    She looks like Whoopi Goldberg.
    >> actingAnon !!UPy/j5h6amD 02/24/12(Fri)21:08 No.5533925
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    >>5531991
    even though i like some of his/her pictures, cannot unsee

    dat nose looks like lampwick from pinocchio
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)21:23 No.5533973
    >>5532838
    My problem with her is that she just demands to be called a man. Her explanations are insubstantials and she herself isn't faithful to what she preaches.

    If she looked like a woman, but would talk about intersexuality or what socity percieves as gender, I wouldn't mind as much.

    But her policy boils down to: ' I AM A KAWAII DESU YAOI BOY! FUCK YOU IF YOU WANT ME TO ACTUALLY THINK OR VALIDATE ANY OF THIS! LET ME PISSED OFF UNDER THE GUISE OF BEING TRANS*'.

    She does the trans* community a world of harm.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)21:31 No.5534006
    >>5533973
    I agree. I'm not cis*, but I'm also not trans*, and while I do agree that gender expression =/= gender =/= sex, gutterface rubs me the wrong way about 95% of the time, and I think they do more harm than good by a long shot. Plus, they are a totally ass, as pointed out about every other post in this thread.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)21:34 No.5534015
    >>5534006
    *totally an ass

    oh man I need to go to bed...
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)21:36 No.5534024
    >>5532629
    ...but even if you don't cut your nails, working with your hands at all will keep them short, often by way of something more painful like splitting or breaking off. It really is a cleanliness thing. It's not changing your body from its natural state; your body is "changing from" its "natural state" ALL THE TIME. If you don't trim your hair it will break off; there is a limit to how long it will grow. By your standards everything you do, including babying your hair so it can keep growing in a "natural state", is "body modification". Is touching your face modification too? You're scraping off natural skin cells and natural sebum omg omg

    Goddamn I know you're a troll but as someone who really did grow up around woods hippies who think hygiene is a social construct I can't not respond.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)23:13 No.5534278
    I'm not going to lie, she's very attractive (minus the earlobes and tongue). If she wasn't an abusive fuck I'd probably consider getting a bit personal.
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)23:25 No.5534302
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    Ok, I get that she thinks she's edgy and is an attention whore to the max but seriously? Why would anyone EVER do this?
    >> Anonymous 02/24/12(Fri)23:29 No.5534317
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    Well done Seagulls!
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)00:16 No.5534451
    did you guys catch the shitstorm of her leaving DA because someone gave her constructive critique?
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)00:20 No.5534462
    >>5534317
    lol I love how she dances around the topic and doesn't actual answer it.
    I agree that if anything she would be genderqueer
    especially since shes all "femme ftm crossdresser tranny desu"
    and trans refers to transgender which refers to "transitioning"
    she's more worried about looking like a fucking circus side show than getting a body all transmen want.
    theres this wonderful thing called dysphoria that transmen deal with which is one of the main red flags of being transgender. clearly she never experiences this ever.
    she can't be transgender if she doesnt plan on transitioning.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)00:24 No.5534469
    >>5534451
    No. Do you have any screen caps/info?
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)00:33 No.5534491
    >>5534469
    just go read her current journal and all the comments on it.
    its hilarious
    also comments on her profile as well.
    all of her pictures are in storage now as well.
    though most of them already had all comments disabled anyway.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)00:38 No.5534506
    >>5534491
    bawhaha this is rich.

    Does anyone have a screenshot of the critique and/or gutterfaces reply to it?
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)00:41 No.5534514
    >>5534506
    nevermind I just found it. What a fucking child.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)00:45 No.5534522
    >>5534514
    Please share
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)00:56 No.5534541
    >>5534522
    http://comments.deviantart.com/1/281155315/2385445636
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)00:59 No.5534545
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    btw this is one of her 2 "male" fiances
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)01:01 No.5534550
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    yeah she has no intention of ever actually "transitioning"
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)01:04 No.5534554
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    she looks fucking ridiculous
    male or female
    she dresses like a blind hobo with a can of hairspray and tourettes
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)01:06 No.5534557
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    >>5534545
    and this is her 2nd "male" fiance
    who she lives with I guess?
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)01:07 No.5534560
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    >>5534541
    Really? As an art major I'm so...I can't even...
    I have to go to class everyday and have my profs tear apart my pieces that I've spent days making.
    Then someone telling her nicely "This is awesome! But this could make it better!" and she goes, "Well I don't want a critique. Rude." then please leave the art world because all we do is critique.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)01:10 No.5534565
    >>5534550
    Gutterface is right, though, (as much as I hate to agree with them). There are a good deal of trans* people who don't transition for various reasons. Transgender means someone who identifies as a gender that is opposite their sex, although it is often used as a blanket term for all trans* people, including transexual, although transexual is the term for someone transitioning/that has transitioned. Generally, though, whether they have transitioned or not, trans* people go by transgender (probably because it sounds nicer and generally has less hate and stigma attached to it).
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)01:12 No.5534569
    >>5534560
    ugh yup you summed up my feelings 100%.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)01:15 No.5534575
    >>5534557
    I like his tits.
    super manly
    its also funny how Gutterface dates people who are like clones of herself.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)01:16 No.5534576
    >>5534565
    I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that her "reason" of not transitioning is simply because she doesn't want to be a man.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)01:19 No.5534581
    >>5534576
    Oh no trust me I agree with you. I think gutterface is stupid as fuck. That said it's a little unsettling when so many people seem to think that to be trans* one must transition.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)02:50 No.5534787
    What I don't get is, why doesn't Gutter go to school for cosmetology? She's obviously pro with makeup and FX makeup from having done it so long.

    Oh right, she is turning 25 soon and still doesn't have her GED.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)07:01 No.5535058
    Offtopic, but why is that people put the asterix after the word trans? I keep expecting pointer work after it...

    Sage for sage.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)07:12 No.5535069
    >>5535058

    I guess it's the new term for people who 'identify at trans' but have some of those alternative terms that supposedly also apply to them. It's the 'all inclusive' version, like saying 'trans & other' while still using only the word trans.

    The way I see it it's just a snowflake symbol.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)11:58 No.5535396
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    Here's how the whole business about FtM, "femme" ftm and fakebois sounds to me.

    >>Oh hai I'm Japanese!
    Wait, you can't be Japanese, you're completely white and you weren't born there.
    >>Oh of course, I didn't mean race or nationality. But you see, I have black hair and I eat rice, so I have a Japanese *identity* -- I look and act like a Japanese person in spite of being white.
    So why isn't there a different word for that? like 'weeaboo'?
    >>You're being insensitive! you have to call me Japanese. It's the same word but means something different.
    OK sure.

    And later...

    >>Oh hai I'm still Japanese!
    But wait, now you've got blonde hair and are eating hamburgers.
    >>WAH YOU'RE SO INSENSITIVE Japanese people can bleach their hair and eat hamburgers too! why are you trying to control how I behave?! Racist!

    Because here's the thing about sex and "gender" -- didn't we already decide that "gender" was governed by behavior? Sort of like a measure to one's adherence to sex-based stereotypes. So If you're a woman (sex) who dresses and acts feminine (gender) how do you also get away with claiming a male gender too? Unless gender is whatever you say it is, in which case it's meaningless.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)12:00 No.5535411
    >>5534557
    >>5534545
    so she's a gay man
    but is engaged to not one, but two other fake boy clones of herself.
    I...what
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)12:12 No.5535429
    >>5535396

    Funny that you use the "I'm really Japanese inside" analogy, because now apparently there's a thing called 'transethnic'. So I guess it's pretty much the same thing as fake ftms except now it's fake 'azns' that think the only validity is that they ~feel like it~ inside.

    >Because here's the thing about sex and "gender" -- didn't we already decide that "gender" was governed by behavior? Sort of like a measure to one's adherence to sex-based stereotypes.

    That's the entire point. It's also pretty much the first thing fakebois ignore.

    >So If you're a woman (sex) who dresses and acts feminine (gender) how do you also get away with claiming a male gender too?

    Because they ~feel like it~, you ignorant bigot! But no, that's what Gutterface does to a T. I've also never understood how one can 'feel male' while only doing stereotypically feminine and unisex things, not looking male/masculine in the least, etc.

    >Unless gender is whatever you say it is, in which case it's meaningless.

    This is really what they actually think. This is why they harm the trans community. They use their ass-backwards logic for what they think of as 'revolutionizing gender roles and or the trans community' when in reality it's making the otherwise unlearned and previously unaware non-trans community think that trans people are all batshit insane fat women stuck in a 13-year old's mindset desperate for attention like Gutterface.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)12:13 No.5535431
    >>5535411

    The best way to live in your perfect fantasy world is to have others that can live in there with you and validate it for you by giving you asspats and telling you you're so speshul and unique and revolutionary.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)12:19 No.5535442
    >>5535411

    Funny thing about "Irry/Eerie/Illiad Ambrose Gillespie*" is that before she deactivated her tumblr I would occasionally poke around there and look at shit she reblogged and not once did she ever mention wanting to be called male, nor did she jump on anyone that referred to her as female.

    I could have swore that I saw her say something about being genderqueer though, and if that is the case then Gutter is wholly retarded for putting a strictly male pronouns only on her just to validate her own 'gei boi' persona.

    *http://www.facebook.com/EerieGillespie
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)12:20 No.5535445
    >>5535442
    >for putting a strictly male pronouns only

    *for putting a strictly male pronouns only policy

    derp.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)12:22 No.5535451
    >>5535442
    pretty sure the same goes for her other "fiance" Eden
    Eden is/was genderqueer last I knew.
    before being "totally in desu love" with Eden and dating them over the internet she used genderless pronouns
    but then suddenly when they started dating Eden was her "boyfriend" and only used male pronouns
    pretty sure Eden's gender on facebook is set to female
    or at least it was last I saw.
    wait "he" changed it. it says male now.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)12:25 No.5535457
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    >>5514244
    >what i want isnt what a lot of people want. but what i want is right.

    >MY OPINION IS THE ONLY CORRECT ONE.

    Gutterface logic in a nutshell.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)12:28 No.5535465
    >>5535451
    >wait "he" changed it. it says male now.

    I would bet money that Gutter either made her do it or just whined about it until she did.

    I really really want to know what Gutter things a gay man is REALLY like. Because if she thinks she is anywhere near an accurate representation of even the most flaming homo then she is indeed pants-on-head retarded and has never met one.

    Perhaps because she lives in Bumfuck Nowhere, Ohio she's never seen a gay man and that's why she thinks they're still 'strange and new' enough to want to mimic one?
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)12:33 No.5535482
    >>5535442
    >>5535451
    >>5535465

    We know Gutter/Ayla would never jeopardize her fakeboiness by having any friends she can't easily control, but what about these other two ladies? I know one has to be at least partially retarded to even tolerate Gutter/Ayla at all but to be in a 'relationship' with her? That aside, do these girls have any other friends that aren't each other or Gutter/Ayla?

    Also now apparently Gutter lives with one of them and since we know she's not gonna get a job to support herself as long as she can milk these girls for shit, what does Eerie/Eden do for work? We need some info on these chicks.

    Where's the East Coast anon that's been to cons and shit in Ohio?
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)12:35 No.5535489
    >>5535465
    well you also have to understand that gutterface does shit for shock value and to be a speshul snowflake.
    she's been whining about how she can't afford T or surgery or shit like that
    but she has all these mods
    she has all these expensive art supplies
    she got a tongue split
    plans on getting horn implants and her eyes tattooed
    she's fucking retarded.
    Not to mention she could definitely have her "fans" donate a shitton of money if she actually wanted to transition.
    but T would make her look like a guy
    which she doesn't want.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)12:37 No.5535497
    >>5535482
    she lives with "Irry" but she also lives with her parents.
    I doubt either of them have jobs let alone would be hired by anyone since they look like a fucking circus freak show
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)12:41 No.5535504
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    >>5534557
    Wait, isn't this Akari? So... she's dating her adoptive sister? I'm so confused.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)12:53 No.5535527
    >>5535504
    wait what?
    since when has GF had a sister anyway?
    she never says anything about having a sister
    ever
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)12:57 No.5535543
    >>5535527
    Their adoption records were linked on the ED. Or still are, but they have been removed from the adoption site now... I remember looking at it while it was still there.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)13:24 No.5535637
    >>5535504
    >>5535527

    Gutterface's parents are her biological aunt and uncle, so maybe Akari is her biological cousin, and adoptive sister? Would explain how she lives with both her parents and Akari at the same time, anyway.

    Either way that's fucked, but then again that's what Gutter likes- shock value, shock value, shock value.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)13:26 No.5535643
    >>5535637

    Scratch that, according to anon she lives with 'Irry' no Akari.

    But even then that would have to mean Irry lives with Gutter AND her parents for some reason, when Gutter claims she lives with Irry, NOT her parents.

    If I was ever turning 25, still living with my parents and STILL expecting them to buy me legos for my birthday while never having a job or even a GED I'd shoot myself out of sheer astonishing and shameful failure at life.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)13:28 No.5535646
    >>5535504

    According the the ED, Akari used to also be a 'gay FTM' and, yes, was dating Gutter while also being her 'brother'. Apparently they still do that now but are less vocal about it because of how retardedly attention-whorish/psychopathic it is.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)13:32 No.5535655
    >>5535646

    I find it odd that Gutterface is the only one to ever claim Akari or Eerie are FTM.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)13:35 No.5535662
    Guys. Guys. Guys.

    Can you imagine?

    These three girls- Gutterface, Eden, and Eerie...

    ...all sitting in a circle together, on their periods and doing eachother's makeup, talking about how they're all such fabulous and handsome gay Japanese bois desu, and how they're all going to change the whole world?

    Someone needs to drawfag this.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)13:37 No.5535666
    >>5535643
    Akari is "Irry". Akari went from calling herself Akari Biernot to Illiad Biernot to Illiad Gillespie which is her current FB name.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)13:38 No.5535668
    >>5535666

    Then who the fuck is the other one?
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)13:38 No.5535669
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    Gutterface is also against sex btw
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)13:39 No.5535672
    >>5535668
    eden is a gutterface clone from like..washington state or something
    GF actually paid attention to her because she was so desu just like herself and they started internet dating and a week later got engaged over the phone
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)13:43 No.5535680
    >>5535672

    For some reason I imagine that going like this:

    Gutter: And like, you know how I'm a hot got gay guy on the internet and have lots of fans and shit, right?
    Eden: OMG yes I do, I wish I was so cool like you desu!
    Gutter: Well, imagine if YOU pretended to be a hot gay goth boy, too, AND THEN WE GOT ENGAGED. My fans would shit themselves with glee and give us so much more attention than they are now.
    Eden: OMG LET'S DO IT.
    Gutter: OKAY YES LET'S!
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)13:45 No.5535682
    >>5535669

    Wait... she has a "primal" dislike of sex? Sex is the most primal part of humanity, isn't it?
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)13:46 No.5535684
    >>5535672

    Lemme guess, she was Gutter's #1 fan?
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)13:49 No.5535688
    >>5535684
    I'm sure she ranked somewhere around there.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)13:56 No.5535699
    So, all it takes to get tons of internet fans is to drown yourself in stupid subfashions and be both incredibly rude and bratty and batshit insane? Or could a calm, rational, friendly person do that, too?
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)13:56 No.5535700
    >>5535682
    my favorite part is when she put words in that guy's mouth to try and gain a pity parade like she was being attacked
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)13:58 No.5535704
    >>5535700

    Is that where her "fuck some sense into the tranny" comment came from? Because It may have just been a failure to expand one of that Scott guy's comments but I never say him say that at all.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)13:59 No.5535706
    It's seems like she's...um what even is she?
    Anyway, it seems like she has her opinion and when someone tries to show their opinion, she hates on them saying their opinion is wrong and blah bah blah. But don't you dare do that to her opinions. Then you're being a narrow minded hick who hates trans.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)14:04 No.5535724
    >>5535706
    >It's seems like she's...um what even is she?

    In what sense?

    >Anyway, it seems like she has her opinion and when someone tries to show their opinion, she hates on them saying their opinion is wrong and blah bah blah.

    see >>5514244, >>5535457

    >But don't you dare do that to her opinions. Then you're being a narrow minded hick who hates trans.

    That's probably the only other reason she says she's trans (other than the gei hafu boi attention) and poor- because nobody would tolerate her shit if she were just another middle class white girl. She's appropriating things she thinks are the opposite of her true self so she can rebel against it and complain about how everyone is so mean to her, but it's ttly not because of her shitty behavior, guise. It's because she's so terribly discriminated against and oppressed.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)14:10 No.5535734
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    >>5532827
    I have a ftm friend who constantly meet people who just doesn't respect that he is a man (some of his old friends too) but he just calmy explains that he wants to be adressed with male pronouns, and then if they don't respect that, he doesn't bother. He doesn't tell them to fuck off or to go to hell, because that's rude. Just as rude as using the wrong pronouns.

    So what I'm saying is, Gutterface is a rude asshole.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)14:27 No.5535763
    >>5535704
    nope. I took those caps and he never once said anything remotely close to that.
    I also love how she always calls herself a tranny
    does't that kind of go against everything else she says about "I am a man."?
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)14:32 No.5535771
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    she's been getting trolled on her facebook pictures lately and its quite hilarious

    pic related is one of her pics that got the most troll comments lately
    also its my favorite photo pose for fake boys.
    shirtless but laying on their stomach so you can't see their tits.
    genius
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)14:33 No.5535773
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    She's a boi all right.
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    oh I also REALLY love this reply.
    I love when she puts words into peoples' mouths to make it like she's being attacked way harder than she really is.
    this picture of her tongue
    a handful of people commented about it looking gross or painful and asking why anyone would do something like that.
    and yet she claims people made racist and homophobic comments.
    what?
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)14:42 No.5535791
    So question if gutterface identified as genderqueer and no a boi would you all still take issue with that?
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)14:43 No.5535796
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    >>5535775

    She really did just say that Google can tell you why people choose to get their tongue split, didn't she?

    >but morecis
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)14:44 No.5535799
    >>5535791

    Yes, because she's still be doing it solely for the attention and so she can be a douche to people and claim that the backlash is her being discriminated against just for being ~*~different~*~.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)14:44 No.5535801
    >>5535791
    Obviously. There is no way to make right by /cgl/s standards, they just say their is so they don't seem like a mindless hate mod group.

    And even if she didn't BS the gender issue, she fakes her entire life.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)14:44 No.5535802
    >>5535791
    the main issue people have with gutterface is that she's just overall a horrible person and a huge raging cuntface.
    the fact that she is so adamant that she is a "man" or being trans at all is just the icing on the cake so yeah if she dropped the whole "guys im totally a man with a penis now watch me not even try to pass and wear girl clothes and makeup" act then we would have one less thing to hate her for
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)14:49 No.5535813
    I can't believe /cgl/ hasn't picked up on how she's a wannanorexic too. She talks about it all the time in her videos, about how she's so small and thin. She's not overweight like Irry or Eden but she is no where near thin at all.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)14:55 No.5535827
    >>5535813

    Lol no, you can see all her armfat in >>5535771

    And also I like how she claims to be "120 pounds soaking wet in boots". She's probably pushing closer to the 150 range.

    >>5535791

    If you think that her pretending to be a gay boy is the ONLY reason she gets hate, you obviously have never seen how she treats people and probably didn't read >>5532151.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)15:00 No.5535837
    >>5535827
    120 at 5' is still really-really heavy, though.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)15:06 No.5535858
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    Alright, I found the archived version of the adoption record on ED.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20080708235158/http://registry.adoption.com/records/447623.html

    Gutter also mentions this woman is her biological mother on FB: http://www.facebook.com/bluefairy68
    She has both Gutter and Eerie listed as her "sons" and the name matches the adoption record... so they really are sisters and dating each other while at it.

    I don't even.

    Pic related, her mother being proud of the man her daughter is.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)15:11 No.5535871
    >>5535858
    I always wondered how Gutterbitch got her near bankrupt adoptive parents to support her AND her equally useless "boyfriend". Makes sense.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)15:13 No.5535879
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    Her DJ SiSeN hate makes me lol SO hard.
    I used to go on a synthetic hair forum before she REDISCOVERED herself and realized that cyber just WASN'T WHO SHE WAS.

    She would constantly ask how to make those bubblewrap dreadlocks from Anarchy in the JP that SiSeN's so famous for. Oh Gutterface. So much entertainment.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)15:14 No.5535885
    >>5535858

    What do you expect from a woman who named her child, that she had at 17, Xanth Rife? She's probably like Sephy's Mom except she couldn't be arsed to actually take care of her kids and that's why she gave them both up. Now I understand a little better why Gutter and her sister are both so fucked up.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)15:16 No.5535897
    >>5535858
    >so they really are sisters and dating each other while at it.

    The adoptive parents are undoubtedly doormats, but I don't think they'd let that slide WHILE supporting them both in full. It's most likely just one of those things she does on the internet for attention, like being a gay boy.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)15:18 No.5535907
    >>5535879
    Could she really not figure out how to make that? It's just plastic wrap. Wtf

    Also agree, I know her from Ohayocon and she was all about the cyber 24/7 until everyone else started doing it
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)15:18 No.5535908
    >>5535879

    She couldn't figure that shit out? Oh my god how dumb can you be. ROLL BUBBLEWRAP INTO DESIRED TUBE SHAPE, ATTACH TO HAIR, DONE.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)15:18 No.5535914
    >>5535827
    Oh I'm not saying that the gender issue is the only reason or even a reason with certain people why shes hated. I was just wondering because I come across a lot of tumblrs where the person dresses like a girl,wears makeup, and models nude but likes to be referred to as male and they talk about how much they dislike their breasts and whatnot but they identify as genderqueer not a real boi. It all confuses me because I can't help but wonder if this is a fad for them or if they really do fall into the middle ground of gender identity. If its just a phase and done for attention it makes me feel bad for people who don't fit into the traditional gender spectrum.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)15:19 No.5535918
    >>5535897
    Yeah, she says she doesn't have sex. Though they have kissed on webcam (very awkwardly) But she also says she beats Irry from time to time, that they get in fist fights for sexual satisfaction.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)15:19 No.5535919
    >>5535879

    She hated Sisen because he is successful and everything she wanted to be while she could only fail at it.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)15:21 No.5535930
    >>5535907
    >>5535908
    It's a bit trickier than that. Getting it into the dread shape and getting it to stick is tricky, as well as getting it to have that seamless look..

    but seriously, figuring it out for yourself is the most fun and she just refused to do it for some reason.
    I'm still trying, but learning what works and what doesn't work is the most fun.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)15:23 No.5535937
    >>5535930
    I always crumpled mine to a little thinner then how thick I wanted and then wrapped it. I use "cling wrap" so it always stick to itself. Haha
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)15:24 No.5535945
    >>5535930
    Redundancy Department of Redundancy over here.

    I hate it when I realize I've been redundant after I post.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)15:24 No.5535946
    >>5535914

    I've never understood females who want to do all the things girls do but not be girls while doing it. That just doesn't make sense to me.

    >>5535918
    >Though they have kissed on webcam (very awkwardly)

    Like 'oh god i can't believe we have to do this shit I thought it was supposed to be an ACT'?

    >But she also says she beats Irry from time to time, that they get in fist fights for sexual satisfaction.

    Probably another lie. I doubt their parents would let Gutter physically beat her sister. They seem to put up with a LOT of her crazy but my God even they have to have limits.

    Also a load of edgygoth bullshit. I show affection with my boyfriend by what could be loosely considered 'violence' but for god's sake I never hit hard enough to leave bruises or hit the face or groin. That's just common fucking sense. These girls have PROBLEMS.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)15:29 No.5535964
    >>5535946
    >Also a load of edgygoth bullshit. I show affection with my boyfriend by what could be loosely considered 'violence' but for god's sake I never hit hard enough to leave bruises or hit the face or groin. That's just common fucking sense. These girls have PROBLEMS.

    HERP make this comment relevant, self.

    Meant to also say, but that's not the only way I show him love, and it's not about the hitting, it's just how I do shit.

    But then when I think about it, every fist fight I've been in /has/ made me feel pretty damn spectacular, but that's just what adrenaline does to you. I'd never actually hit my BF hard enough to draw up enough of it just to get gratification when I could just fuck him instead and get the same high.

    But since Gutter is scared of sex/not gonna actually have sex with her sister-cousin, thank god, this is irrelevant.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)15:32 No.5535980
    >>5535937
    huh, I'll give that a try when I get the chance. C:
    Thanks for the tip!
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)16:14 No.5536157
    I have no problem with people who are trans or how people choose to identify, but holy shit...GF is batshit insane. Sure, some of the pictures they take can be interesting, but god damn...to the people who "look up to them" because "they are a great advocate for FTMs" then haha what.

    GF just sounds so angry and sad in all of their comments. It's really sad.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)16:29 No.5536215
    >>5536157

    'Their'? GF is a girl and acts like one, so why the neutrals?
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)18:00 No.5536526
    bump for proof/more info about the incest going on
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)20:00 No.5536971
    I think she might have grown up (relatively) normal if she had got a job at 18. She obviously never learned how to act or communicate like an adult.
    >> Anonymous 02/25/12(Sat)23:40 No.5537766
    >>5536971
    nah I think she was fucked up since middle school days.
    didn't she commit her first felony at like 15?
    >> Anonymous 02/26/12(Sun)01:23 No.5538178
    >>5537766

    14. Several thousand dollars worth of damage to a cemetery and she blamed another dude for it. He got 5 years in jail. She got nothing because the judge thought she was too small and petite to have done it. It's on the ED.
    >> Anonymous 02/26/12(Sun)16:23 No.5540028
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    >> Anonymous 02/26/12(Sun)17:16 No.5540339
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    ah-ha!
    >> Anonymous 02/26/12(Sun)19:10 No.5540729
    >>5540339
    he/she is really gorgeous. shame they are involved with gutterface
    >> Anonymous 02/26/12(Sun)19:19 No.5540761
    >>5540339
    so GF tells people her "fiance" is a male
    when they clearly state publicly that they are genderqueer.
    she used to refer to Eden with neutral pronouns but suddenly switched to strictly male ones once they started internet dating
    >> Anonymous 02/26/12(Sun)20:01 No.5540858
    >Hey, let's whiteknight some fool who has not taken real steps to transition and would rather look like some alternative fool with no real job or responsibilities

    I can understand some people can't afford to transition but that's because they can't find a job, not because they live some carefree lifestyle of mooching off of everyone possible. She's a grown ass adult. She can gain some responsibility and get closer to transitioning if she quits the whole internet goth queen half-Asian bullshit, tries toning it down, and save up. I've known enough girls similar to her that I don't care. No, not every trans person will look the same. But at the least she can actually try to transition instead of playing the cool and edgy card for years. It's getting fucking old. At what point will she look at herself and realize she doesn't have her own place, any consistent work experience, and she fucked herself over by waiting for too long without hormone IF SHE IS REAL TRANS? This shit is embarrassing to trans people trying to live normal lives.
    >> Anonymous 02/26/12(Sun)21:11 No.5541167
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    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)04:14 No.5542707
    >>5540761

    Someone should go ask her why she refers to Eden as strictly male when ze is GQ.

    Then when Gutter spews her bullshit defense, say 'that's not how gender works, you bigot. You can't just say someone you're dating who is GQ is a male to validate your gay man fetish!'

    Watch her shit herself with rage. Then watch Eden's bio change.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)05:07 No.5542853
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    Yeah ok sorry guys, only psuedo intellectual bitches over the internet take the time to worry about being so politically correct about someone elses gender.

    98% of society will see a person and think they are a boy or a girl. Tits and vag? Girl. Dick? Boy. You have tits and vag but you want to be a boy? Oh, neat. But you're still a girl you cunt and you're going to remain a girl until you cut your tits off and buy a dick so shut the fuck up.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)05:20 No.5542879
    >>5542853

    As for the first thing, it would be purely to piss her off, if you're referring to >>5542707

    As for the second thing, no. If you look like a girl, people treat you like a girl and vice versa. No random person on the street is gonna check to see if you have a dick or a vag (if they do, then they have fucking problems, call the goddamn cops). Even when it comes to genderqueer shit, same thing. If you look like a girl, you get read as a girl and as a result, treated like one.

    Though I do agree with you when you say it's all shit for pseudo-intellectuals on the internet. That's the only scenario where you're surrounded by people who not only know what the fuck you're talking about (even if it's only just) but can also just go read your bio where you may or may not have 56456 different snowflake identities and sexualities. Neither of those scenarios ever happens IRL. If some random fuck came up to Gutterface on the street and told her how much of a pretty girl she was, and she (if she gave a fuck IRL, which she doesn't) told them 'actually, I'm a boy.', she would either get laughed at or just looks of confusion because she is obviously female.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)07:49 No.5542995
    >>5542879
    especially given the fact that she already looks like a freakshow as it is and has an extremely girly voice that she doesn't even TRY to hide.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)14:01 No.5543458
    >>5542995

    I'm gonna laugh when she goes to try to get T, realizes you need quite a while of therapy+GID/some kind of diagnosis to get it, and can't.

    Then I'll laugh even harder when she tries the 'buy it off the internet' route and shreds her liver and ends up bald, hairy, and with a pot belly and gross acne because she doesn't understand how T works.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)14:33 No.5543538
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    >>5543458
    (Truefax: I got prescribed testosterone by a doctor, after one visit. I didn't have any therapist's letter. I never took it though. Long story.)

    Gutter's not going to take T, obviously. People like this clearly feel they're "male already" just because they really wish/believe it were true and their DA says so -- taking T would be unnecessary in their minds. ("But guys don't have to take artificial hormones to qualify as men! I shouldn't have to!")

    But I could be wrong, of course. Lots of girls who think facial/body hair is revolting, are horrified of balding and secretly wish to look like Sasuke or some other girlish 2D boi will nonetheless take hormones anyway, because they feel they can't qualify as male without it.

    Then they'll freak out six months later, shave off all their newgrown hair and take to wearing heels, lipstick and feather boas, claiming the "femme FTM" label. I've seen it all happen. This seldom happens to MtFs, but there's a contingent of FtMs who only develop something identifiable as dysphoria *after* they start hormones, as you'd expect.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)14:50 No.5543564
    >>5543538
    >(Truefax: I got prescribed testosterone by a doctor, after one visit. I didn't have any therapist's letter. I never took it though. Long story.)

    That... is incredibly strange. And stupid and dangerous on his/her part. The circumstances surrounding this incident must have been really specific, because I have never heard of that happening. (or you're just full of shit, that's always a possibility.)

    >taking T would be unnecessary in their minds.

    Yep, because they already think that all you need to be a kawaii homo bishie boy is to set your internet gender to male and either pretend to have been born male/pretend to be FTM.



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