No they can't. They're too busy sticking cocks in every orifice of their bodies.

I have no idea. Post the rest and I'll tell you.

I used to be exactly like that, then I grew up.

Hah, I sympathize with Spaghetti-chan, but I'm not that socially retarded. She's really cute though; I understand why people like her.

Most of us here are actually quite "slutty" and proud of it. Take your nerd dreams about "pure" social awkward girls back to /a/.

>>5459641
>Spaghetti-chan
Go back to /v/

Ive never read it... But I used to be popular for a short time in highschool. After that, I got kind of picky with friends. Too many two-faced cunts.

Is it bad that I really hope she hooks up with her younger brother?

I think her problems are more stereotypical of young men than young women. Maybe it's different in Japan, but in the west even nerdy women don't have a problem meeting guys, fucking, and having friends. They may be ugly and their life may still be a fucking mess, but they can still do those things.

>>5459654
This. If nerdy girls feel lonely then they can do what ordinary girls do to solve it: Spread their legs.

Sexual/companionship loneliness is more of an exclusively male thing. Girls don't really feel it.

I was like this when I was 15 or so. I had horrible depression and ended up dropping out of school. It was complete hell.
Then I grew up; went to therapy and faced my issues, got friends and a great boyfriend. I don't idealize that character or way of life at all. I'm happy now - so much happier than I ever could have even imagined when I was in that place in my life.
So no, I can no longer relate. I do empathize, however. I hope this manga takes the path of the character breaking from the mold she's created for herself, as I did.

>>5459659

Those poor men.

>>5459654
>>5459659

Exactly. For women loneliness is going without sex for a few weeks.

Yes. We even look the same.

Why do I have the feeling athens is in this thread?

>>5459654
Most nerds I've come across - male or female - are a lot less isolated than this character. They're normal, adjusted people with uncommon interests. Her problem isn't necessarily that she's nerdy, it's a complete and total social recluse. She lives in her own world and doesn't know how to enter the real one. People like this can have any type of interests.

Yes. I had bad social anxiety in high school. Then in college I learned how to dress myself, make-up, etc...

But it's like high school all over again.

>>5459681
You say that about every thread.

I don't even have a popular friend. She has more friends than me.

...is the hormone thing really true?

I can relate to her a lot haha it's sort of scary. I'm not as bitter though and I'm not boy-obsessed.

No, because that would imply women can actually be lonely.

The whole mango is just wish fulfillment for guys who want to believe there's girls who feel the same way they do.

reminds me of this girl.

http://hairspraying.blogspot.com/

>>5459731
Why do you guys say this?

Do you REALLY believe girls can't be as lonely as guys?

>>5459747
Impossible. All they have to do is spread their legs.

>>5459753
getting laid doesn't make you feel less lonely.

kind of makes it worse, actually.

>>5459747
Yes, I don't know what it so hard to believe.

Women's idea of being "lonely" is not the same as men's. I think that's part of the confusion.

Pic is women's idea of lonely. I can assure you that it isn't the same as the rest of 4chan's.

>>5459753
Fucking=not lonely?

That's an odd definition

>>5459760
This. I sort of blame slutty girls for perpetuating the idea that girls are just mindless sex dolls who want to get fucked by random men though.

For me at least, the single one night stand I had really hurt afterwards. I felt dirty and used.

>>5459765
Indeed. I'm not an unattractive guy, but I don't have the advantageous side of mating practices that women do. I don't have women hitting on me or asking me out. At least not in a long while... :/

> Implying she could get laid just by being a girl when she cant even talk to people.

ITT: Anons that dont know a fuck about hikikomoris, social anxiety, and other traumas.

>>5459765
>based on posts that cannot be verified as coming from a girl
>generalizing from this


Are you dumb or a troll?

EVEN IF IT WAS A GIRL ITS STILL STUPID.

MAYBE ITS NOT THEM

MAYBE YOU AREN'T SOMEONE A WOMAN WOULD WANT TO BE AROUND.

HELL, I'M A MAN AND THINK YOU'RE FUCKED UP

>>5459791
This is also based off of real-life conversations, mind you. Obviously I can't post them for you hear, so I have to make do.

Anyway, I've yet to see anyone disagree. Aside from you, and you may just be white knighting.

i was pretty much an ugly landwhale copy of that girl when i was in middle school.
thank god i dropped the weight and learned some social skills.
i'm still ugly, but oh well.

>>5459800
I've had more guys talk about not being able to fully commit to a girl because she was lacking physically than I have girls.

Actually, I know a lot of girls that are dating someone below their level of attractiveness just because they also like nerdy things and they don't know any nerds that are in their "league"

>>5459765
i only wish that was my idea of lonely.
i'm not a landwhale and i have good hygiene, i can't figure out why men never approach me.
do i radiate crazy or something? i'm not, really, although i am painfully awkward.
maybe i'm just too awkward to notice the advances men make on me.

>>5459820
you sound like me
I finally sucked it up and asked my friends

It was a little bit because I'm too retarded to notice
but mostly because I am obviously awkward and guys have enough trouble working up the guts to talk to someone, they don't want to waste it on a derp.

I'm still a derp, but I at least try to smile more and make more eye contact when I'm looking to be flirted with.

>>5459778
One cannot fill the hole in their heart
Simply by filling all the others

>>5459828
despite what your experience on 4chan might say, guys don't immediately go gaga for a socially awkward girl.

>>5459828
that's good advice but
nnnnnngh what if i look creepy just like, smiling at people? do you wait until they start talking to you to smile? or???
how do i social skills ;-;

>>5459800
If calling out an obvious logical error makes me a white knight then so be it.

Generalizing ALL women when you most likely don't even have enough evidence to draw a conclusion for all the women in a 10 km radius is an error

Yes.
Everyday.

>>5459834
haha, yeah, it took some practice.
I still feel kind of creepy.

basically, don't fucking stare. just glance and maybe smile if they catch you.

>>5459844
i'll try it out... thank you

>>5459820
What's stopping you from approaching others?

Aside from the fact that you're a woman, which means you refuse to take any sort of initiative and expect men to do all the work for you.

Yes.
Although, I never aspired to be "popular" or accepted among my peers.
I just wanted everyone to forget about me. I was always ashamed of myself, painfully shy, and I would almost break down crying when people spoke to me.
I dressed down all the time. Wore ratty sweaters and sweatpants, never did my hair, never spoke to anyone unless I was forced to. Sometimes I would fail assignments because I was too afraid to talk to my teacher if I missed a day. And I skipped a lot of school due to depression.
I never went to any school function, no dances, not football games, no prom, and always skipped out on picture day. I don't have a facebook and I cut contact with the few acquaintances I had.

The only thing I have now are my few online contacts. Even so, I rarely if ever try to find new friends. Heck, the one last real friend I had I lost because I was too afraid to talk to her or call her on the phone.

For a while I substituted human contact with 2D. I was a fujosh, though I grew out of yaoi when I was 15. I wouldn't ever say I had a husbando but I grew attached to certain characters and used them to alleviate my loneliness and inspire me to be a little content with my life.

Right now I'm a NEET out of school. I want to change, and I want to be happy. I want to support myself someday, not necessarily talk to more people, but just be independent. Although, that is a struggle within itself. Not only am I cripplingly afraid of rejection, my shyness, meekness, and humbleness, but no one in my family really seems to care. I'm still confused as to how I start my life. Hell I don't know anything about the real world, I just relied on school to keep me busy.

I think once I get into college or get a job, things will fall into place and I can be at least not as miserable.

Sorry for the TL;DR.

>>5459863
I'm not that anon, but I am the other crazy anon.

I can't really speak for her, but as for myself
I radiate crazy. Approaching others is scary for the 'others'. Not because I'm really scary, but because a female doing this is considered pretty bold and I don't communicate in a manner that isn't blunt and concise very well.

I tried that, and I came off as way too brash, and the only guys that liked it were a type of guy that I'm not into.

The glancing and looking away represents my personality way better, as a socially retarded and fairly reclusive girl.

I've loved Tomoko from the second I read the first chapter, I was tired of having to empathize with the same hapless social anxiety ridden male protagonist in everyother animu. (Wherein he is most probably whisked away by some kawaii girl where she gives him the confidence to be the man he can be... for some reason.)
Even if the protagonist IS an aspie girl, it's usually just for a few chapters before some guy comes along and changes her overnight.

>>5459691
Well because most meta threads he shows up with his trip when it's all said and done.

>>5459645
That's her nick on /v/ and /a/. Sorry if I frequent the boards where she is most popular.

it disappoints me that a socially awkward GIRL would get more sympathy than a boy.

>>5459899
girls in general get more sympathy dude, don't know why you're surprised

>>5459899
I don't feel that way.
I think they both need help if they are miserable, and deserve my pity.

YES. She is the best character ever.

>>5459896
>and /a/

Nope. I was always a forever alone type too, but I never was so social-anxiety about it, or as retarded.

Shit's funny, though.

>>5459899
Stop being a little bitch.

No, because no one is that pathetic.

>>5459921
this.

>>5459921
at least he'll come back when he's drunk and horny

*sobs*

No.

I'm not cute, or popular, and will admit so.

>>5459927
There there, Anon.

>>5459921
See if she knew how to simply follow the mans interest she wouldn't have that problem.

Its a simple trick I learned from both my whore mother and a few of my girlfriends.

>Follow guy's taste

>act like you're interested

>slowly introduce him to your shit

>soon he won't realize it and will share your habits

It only takes a few months or less of acting like a golden girl and the poor sap won't be able to help it and might put up with your shit if he really loves you.

>>5459921
I know that feel...
so ronery t.t

>>5459921
Their fault for being a shitty lay and unlikable person.

Someone like that should be happy they get one night stands at all.

>>5459939
These trolls are so fucking try hard oh my god I love it.

>>5459941
It's not tryhard.

Guys will gladly stay around you if you aren't so repulsive that they want to leave after they finish.

I used to, and then I met my boyfriend and I don't feel bad anymore.

>>5459950
Keep going, it's getting completely off topic now~

>>5459950
Depends on the girl

Some seem sweet at first then once you get in bed and you notice some things you want to bail. Shit even some things before that makes a guy want a bail for me its a women with a nasty house. Messy is one thing but some shit just makes me dip and go

>>5459863

i don't expect anyone else to do the work for me. i only asked because other people seemed to think that women automatically get approached.
i'm just too shy to do the approaching. it's a flaw within myself.

>>5459620
This type of girl does not exist. It's basically the female counter part of lonely otaku guys that does not actually exist because girls and guys are different. So basically otaku guys fantasy that girls like them exist.

>>5459965
You can easily drop hints to the guy and warm up with him. What women call beta male behavior is cute when done the other way around also most guys have obvious tells when it comes to women.

I've witnessed 5/10s score 8/10s with that method its kind of sad to see to be frank

>>5459765

Hah, if only I was that kind of 'lonely'. Though I suppose my problem is that I can't talk to people.

>>5459968
well
there is room for everything.
[spoiler]no matter how rare they are[/spoiler]

>>5459921
Can somebody tell me what the intended message of this comic is? I'm not from this board and I'm totally confused.

>>5459968
I duno this girl seems pretty fucked.
>>5459882

>>5459989
Some stupid shit

It really is

>>5459976
i think i've got to work a little harder to overcome my trouble talking to people before i start something like that...
i don't want to think that i'm boring, but i think i come off that way because i'm no good at talking to people in real life.
thank you for the help, though.

>>5459989
see
>>5459968

>>5459998
I'm not referring to OP's comic. Unless the girl in the comic I'm linking is supposed to also be the fantasy-lonely-otaku girl? But that seems really far-fetched. Clearly there is way more going on in that comic than "I'm a girl and I'm lonely."

>>5460008
It's just bitching and nonsense.

>>5459996
Meh I'm a boring person and speak like an old man most of the time. Its all a matter of atmosphere its easy to get people to gravitate towards you. All it takes is a smile when talking to people and showing that you're not afraid. I used to be shy but after highschool and doing stupid shit I went from shy to rowdy to just independent. I don't seek out people yet I always make new friends.

And if anything find a common soul and just start talking to them or just smile once in a while. If its a guy I assure he will start talking to you or at the very least say hi. Its all about taking small steps

>>5459965
Guys approach girls that they think they have a shot at, and girls that look approachable

If you are good looking and don't go around acting like a stuck up bitch you will have plenty of guys hitting on you.

If you don't understand why you aren't getting hit on, then yoou are probably acting like a stuck up bitch

>>5460013
Haha, but that's absurd. I mean, ostensibly it's about how "wrong" the phrase is ("just open your legs, you won't be lonely, etc"), but that doesn't make sense because when did anybody have to debunk a sarcastic phrase? It's just saying that girls can get attention easier than guys, but the comic is acting like the phrase is meant as a legitimate way into a relationship, and its the comic's job to debunk it, which, again, who tries to debunk something that isn't a serious proposition? It seems obvious to me that I'm just missing the message. I'm sure it's something about girls being slutty, or guys being slutty, or something? It just seems really obtuse.

>>5460008
Oh basically that comic is supposed to show how girls are still lonely even after they have sex with a guy and just because they have sex doesn't mean that they arn't lonely.

>>5459950
>>5460016
"If you look approachable and are good looking, guys will like you!"
Fucking brilliant.
This thread is supposed to be about girls who are inept at doing that faggots.

>>5460035
No, like >>5460031 said, it's about women who take everything literally.

>>5460031
Its a stupid comic man

I can't feel sorry for someone that opens their legs for any old guy and not expect to be treated like that. You can reverse sex with money and make the person a guy.

So, uh, probably not the best place to ask, but how do you guys go around starting coversations/talking to people? At all.
I find it pretty much impossiblt to approach people under any circumstances. Asking the staff at a store for something, asking to get past someone if they're blocking the way, whatever.
Or a conventions/metts - trying to talk to other people in a cosplay group
I can never seem to do it and just stand there completely silent. In all honesty I feel like I'm being rude, but I genuinely can't talk without freaking out.

I thought since we're on the topic of being socially awkward, I might as well ask.

>>5460038
You are reading too much into stuff that isn't there.

>>5460035
>just get finished saying how it obviously couldn't possibly be somebody taking something so incredibly out of context
>get told how it's somebody taking something incredibly out of context
I don't think I like this board...

>>5460031
some girls have sex with a guy just because they are lonely, and they are either naive enough or just desperate enough to delude themselves into thinking that casual sex will either turn into a relationship or, if nothing else, make them feel better.

it's not a point of view often seen on 4chan.

also, yes, I am aware that casual sex can turn into a real relationship; everything is possible, I suppose.
This is more about the depressive mindset of giving it up in hopes of getting a boyfriend.

>>5460045
That defense is such kid shit.
I've seen enough. I'm going to another board. Any other board. If I don't land in /b/ or /v/ I'll be somewhere better than here.

>>5460043
baby steps.
start where you are most comfortable and take one step outside of that.

for me, I would start with talking to a sales clerk or something basic.
but you have to figure out where your own first step should be.

>>5460058
Okay. I'm sorry. Just keep making up your own stories when you read comics.

>>5460043
I don't bother with that crap unless I really want the girl and most of the time I lose interest after a while due to me having certain ticks that make me even lose the desire to want to just fuck.

My mother really fucked me up bad and it didn't help that I dated a few head cases as well but those girls me but still.

Anyways on the subject of approaching people. Its easy but I lost the desire to do it as I got older after being around so many colorful to say the least people. Most of my friends approached me but I guess thats good for the type of person I am.

Think of it this way bro you're not the only one with insecurities bro and 9/10 those people are more fucked in the head than you so just talk to them its not like they are any better than you and vice versa.

>>5460037

Find a guy that you think is in your league, and then stare at them, keep staring at them

If they are interested in you they will approach you, ITS THAT FUCKING SIMPLE

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=eye%20fucking

eye fucking 154 up, 65 down
where some one staring at you really hard

>>5460063
even if that's not what the author intended, that's what the other femanons meant.

>>5460067
lolno.

eye fucking by staring requires quite a bit of finesse that nobody reading 4chan can obtain.

you will look like a psycho bitch.

>>5460067
It's the same shit.
You're implying a socially inept girl will WANT to stare down a guy like that, fucking retarded.

>>5460067
Unless the guy is REALLY dense aka a highschooler serious social retard, most guys college aged and over understand that when a girl stares at him thats a signal that she likes him.

Girls have it so easy, guys actually need to gather the courage to walk up to the girl and start a conversation and say witty things or else they could destroy the attraction by saying the wrong thing

>>5460092
Or unless the guy you like is standing next to other guys, they will sometimes think that you are flirting with the guy next to them

>>5460062
I guess talking to sales clerks seems like a good enough start. This is maybe not the best way of thinking but I can at least leave that situation easilt enough if i start getting overwhelmed.

>>5460065
>Think of it this way bro you're not the only one with insecurities bro and 9/10 those people are more fucked in the head than you so just talk to them its not like they are any better than you and vice versa.

Yeah, I can understand that. I guess it's because it's unpredicable. If that's even the right word for it. I've got no idea how they're gonna react to me, and I automatically assume the worst. So I can never really think of what to say that won't make me seem like so awkward.

(I'm rambling a bit... hope I still make sense)

>>5460072
The fuck...no this has nothing to do with relationships.

>>5460109
it does now.

>>5460101
I understand its how I feel when I shoot for women way out of my league. After a bit of talking to them I learn how batshit they are then calm down.

Anyways just don't worry about it remember you and them stand on equal ground and nobody can take that from you. Besides what you hate about yourself people might love.

>>5460077
If a guy had a girl that he found hot staring at him, he would think "she likes me" if its a girl that he finds unattractive he will think "creeper"

basically the same thing with a guy that hits on a girl.... he either gets labelled a hottie or a creeper

either way if you don't show a guy signals, the odds of him doing any approaching are near ZERO

This whole thread is a spectrum of autism in itself.
>Girls can't have social anxiety!
>They just need to spread their legs!
>Having sex once doesn't equate a meaningful relationship!
>What does that even mean!
>Girls just need to act sociable and pretty to get a guy anyway!
>But I'm socially inept! I can't do that!
>But there are no socially inept girls!
>Just spread your legs!

>>5459882

Ah that sounds terrible I don't know what else to really say about it. I would be happy to communicate with you if possible.

funny story

as a social retard, I was accidentally staring at this guy when I worked at this fast food place.

I was just day dreaming, I didn't even realize I was staring at him.

he came back up and bought some stupid shit dessert and tried to ask for my number.


so yeah, staring works sometimes, even if you're wearing a baggy fast food uniform.

>>5460139
It's like people think they can fix a person with a few lines of text.

Reminds me of this girl in college, basically every male in our class ended up asking her out at some point in time.

She wasn't the best looking girl in the class but she was pretty cute, definitely better looking than 75% of the girls in the class, she was always smiling and eye fucking guys and doing things like giving the professor rabbit ears, jogging in place for no reason when she was making a class presentation

Everybody asked her out because she seemed nice and approachable (even though she was probably an attention whore who got off on male attention) while nobody bothered to hit on the hottest girl in the class because she acted stuck up all the time

Be approachable

>>5460164
>sill
A horizontal member bearing the upright portion of a frame.

>>5460164
which brings us back to the initial point

women can't be lonely. no matter what, someone will want to be with you

>>5459711
Sort of

I hate how otaku oriented the character is, but I'm in the minority there. I can understand why (for sales) but it still bothers me to some degree that the 'cool' otaku character stereotype is getting more and more common. Even though Tomoko has pretty disgusting habits, people think that SHE'S JUST LIKE ME OMG.... Which shouldn't be a positive thing.
Oh well, I'm not a part of the target demographic so my criticism is null. As for the OP question I don't emphasize with her, I rarely do with any otaku characters despite being one. I guess Tsukimi from Kuragehime comes closest but even then she's not someone I really identified with.

>>5460139
Expecting guys from 4chan to understand that woman can be lonely is a pretty silly thought.

>>5459711
What hormone thing?

>>5460164
see

>>5460146

Any girl can easily get a date as long as they leave the house dressed to kill (get hair done, makeup on, wearing a nice sundress, not being fat or covered in acne) and go around staring at guys

The only reason a women is ever alone is because they choose to be alone by shooting for guys out of their league or don't really want to make the effort to do the following above, this is why women can NEVER be truly lonely.

On the other hand for guys, they not only have to approach the girl but they have to sell themselves to the girl. Some guys just happen to send out a serial killer vibe despite being nice dudes and great catches and thus are doomed to being forever alones.

>>5460173
>Even though Tomoko has pretty disgusting habits, people think that SHE'S JUST LIKE ME OMG.... Which shouldn't be a positive thing.
Look at it this way. Girls love reading Nana saying they can relate to it "so much." This manga is the same thing for otaku guys.

>>5460146
This is really the pinacle of what I think guys are all buttmad about, guys can actively be seeking out this attention and still get turned down for being a "creeper".
But really, back to the point in OP's post, girls CAN empathize with Tomoko because she's just fucking awkward, passively seeking attention, too inept to actively seek attention and when she does, fails horribly.
Girls have the possibility to actively seek attention and GET that attention much easier than men, men on the other hand, even if they are too inept to actually try, still have a much bigger chance of failing. It's the fact that both sexes can be at a point of feeling too unworthy to even warrant trying to be sociable where they meet.

>>5459834
If you catch someone's eyes looking at you and that person smiles, it's normal to smile back. It's almost a reflex to empathize with another person.

What you should do is to not hold back. If you hold back your serious face trying to smile, it'll look awkward. If you hold back your smile, it'll look awkward too. Just act on how you feel and don't think so much about it.

Also try to practice your smile on the mirror until you learn how to make a warm and confident smile. It's not hard. Learn how to relax and it'll happen naturally. That's the smile you should do when you catch someone else's eyes.

After that there's no need to talk or anything, you're just sharing a smile. The same way you could share a wink or a silly face.

I do this all the time, now I look at strangers in the eyes until they look back at me, then I smile at them. Easily 80% of the time they smile back, the rest they look surprised, but not disgusted.

>>5460173
>'cool' otaku character

Mojo isn't really meant to be viewed as cool, relatable yes but not cool. I kinda see the series as a black comedy where the main character's crippling social anxiety is meant for laughs at just how pathetic she is. The fact she overvalues the few social achievements she has shows the type of humor its going for.

Side note, if you're looking for a series with nerdy characters that are quiet grounded, read Genshiken.

>>5460190

If a guy put a lot of effort into his looks as well he really wouldn't have a lot of difficulty finding a chick either.

Also, how is the girl not selling themselves to the guys in this example?

>>5460204
Time to turn over the chess board.

The the amount of effort a man has to do than a women in that respect is tremendous

>>5460191
I'm aware, which is why I said I wasn't in the correct demographic to complain. Tomoko's popularity on 4chan is an attestation to what you said.

>>5460200
While what you say is true, I think most people don't view it in the same way. The largest canvases, such as on /v/ or /a/ for example would be more likely to view it as an 'I know that feel' sort of story than viewing it as the comedy it is. While I can't speak for everyone, of course, this seems to be true from the threads I've seen.
I've read/watched Genshiken too, but thanks for the rec. I liked it but Madarame kind of rubbed on my nerves, but once again - I'm not really the audience it's aimed for, so my criticisms don't really have merit.

Why do people have to separate by gender so much? She's a socially awkward PERSON. Who cares if she's male or female?

Also, I relate to her a lot. I don't relate to her perverted tendencies though, I was a total prude in HS. Everything else though, totally me lately. Going long periods of time without talking to anyone, worrying that I don't sound normal, freaking out internally about the most minor of social or conversational mishaps. There's a lot of unspoken things that an extroverted person might not pick up on, but I totally get so much of what she feels. I'm not AS bad but it's all very relateable.

Being socially awkward isn't a special case for one gender or another. Let anyone in the basement long enough and they will become like this.

Men are more lonely than women. Women may feel lonely, but never to the same extent men do.

Over 95% of the homeless are men, and more men die alone than women, despite women living more than men.

In adulthood, it's more likely that kids will like their mom more than their dad, spend more time with her than their dad, and in case of divorce, 4/5 times they go with their mom.

This also has to do with men being able to live by themselves more easily than women. Being self-sufficent and all that. Women strive more for social circles and their benefits, instead.

But hey, that's how things work. If we don't like it we can either deal with it or try to not get our lives drained.

And I insist, some girls may be as lonely as some men, but there are more lonely men than women (way more), and men can feel loneliness to a more severe extent than women.

>>5460211

I don't exactly know how much of a cheesboard you turned over here. Because it's really difficult to gauge how much effort either the man or the woman put into themselves in this scenario.

>>5460204
Not true, a good looking guy still needs to make the approach, say the right things, get the phone number and then follow up by texting or saying the right things over the phone before actually going on a date

A good looking guy has a higher chance of getting a phone number but an extremely socially awkward one won't be able to.

Most girls aren't willing to give their contact information to a creepy but good looking guy because they think that he might be a serial killer see Ted Bundy

>Even though Tomoko has pretty disgusting habits, people think that SHE'S JUST LIKE ME OMG.... Which shouldn't be a positive thing.

Dude, we KNOW it's not a positive thing. But we laugh at ourselves. Feeling despair over pronouncing an order wrong is not cool, but we know how that feels and there's a humor that comes from that.

>>5460143
I guess that would be nice.
I am really reserved about meeting others on 4chan because of all of the bad things that can happen.

>>5460223
Do you honestly believe that staring at another person is as difficult as approaching a complete stranger and trying to start a conversation?

Yes, she reminds me of my high school self.

>>5459882
I was exactly like this too. I had zero friends all four years of high school because I was too shy. I only wore black, gray, and white plain shirts because I didn't want to stand out. I once tried to be 'brave' and wore a pair of jeans with little flower and heart markings on them and I landed up going to the bathroom and scratching them off. I'd skip/fail any assignment that required an oral report or presentation. I never ate lunch because I was too afraid to go in line and order food, instead I'd sit alone in the library. Even though I was a real easy target, thankfully no one was ever mean to me. I just became known as 'that girl who doesn't talk'.
Now that I'm older, I'm over the plain clothes thing, but everything else is the same. No friends, no job.. I haven't had a conversation with someone outside of my family in 5+ years. I'm just kind of..stuck. Here's hoping we can both change, eh?

>>5460159
I know a girl like that, she had like 2 dates a day with her schedule backed up for months and ended up marrying a modelsque looking rich guy

>>5460234

You shouldn't use an anecdote to base all of your judgements on female/male interactions.

>>5459968
I get the feeling that a lot of ronery threads actually have quite a few girls in them pretending to be male. I know I do that.

>>5460239
Hello Rule 64'd me

>>5460219
>Being socially awkward isn't a special case for one gender or another
This could end the thread but obviously it won't, like
>>5460198
said, anyone can be at "the point of no return" wherein it's impossible for them to form meaningful relationships, and the fact it may be easier for one gender or another to start a relationship doesn't matter.

Awkward girls exist

They're not as many as awkward boys

But there will ever be lots of more guys feeling lonely and awkward than any girl

This thread is actually pretty informative amongst the bullshit.

I always look pissed off all the time, and I really don't mean to but I must scare guys off into thinking I'm a stuck up bitch.

I wish there was a way for me to smile more, I can't keep a smile for more than 3 seconds in any situation. It sucks

>>5460262
This thread is sort of weird because I know SO many awkward girls. Maybe because I don't stay on male-dominated parts of the web? who knows.

Luckily having internet friends kept me above the "no return" point during all those long summers. Talking on instant messengers comes more naturally to me than talking in person..

>>5460273
Don't be so tense and stop thinking about everything constantly

No one will think lower of you if you smile a lot, unless you smile too much and/or your smile is creepy

The same way people won't think lower of you if you don't smile

The problem is when you act contrary to what you feel and close yourself. That's what being stuck-up is about

I finally learned, at 25 years, that people don't realize I'm incredibly shy.

They just think I'm a snob. :/

>>5460239
Oh hi, I'm that anon from the post you mentioned.
I think we are similar, the only part that didn't happen to you was being picked on.

They (boys especially) saw me as an easy target and did harass me a lot, sexually and otherwise, up until the last day of school.
It just perpetuated my fear of others.
I was fortunate to have a few nice friends, though most people I talked to when I was younger fell through the cracks.
Like I said, I abandoned them, too.

>>5460273
I've been trying to smile more, I hope it's helping. Chemically you should feel happier from smiling, though.
People always ask me if I'm sad because I always look like I'm either about to cry or a deer in the headlights. I also try to stand up straighter so i don't look like a mouse.

>>5460273
guy here i know that feel

>>5460219
>Why do people have to separate by gender so much? She's a socially awkward PERSON. Who cares if she's male or female?

Right...now moving back to reality where it makes a huge difference whether she is a male or female.

>>5460283

I never realized I was acting stuck up, I thought being stuck up meant that you acted like you were better than everyone else. It's not that at all, I just have a hard time expressing myself alot..

>>5460308
Most of the time when people act like they're better than everyone else it's the same: they're putting a bitch-shield-thing to conceal their true feelings and emotions and keep people they don't want near them distant.

The only difference between you and them is that they're hurtful to others. That behavior is the same at its core.

Not being able to express your true emotions and being unwilling to open to others is that: being stuck-up. People don't trust others who are dishonest and/or can't be empathized with.

Someone told me I looked like I'd just killed a man once. I don't know whether that means I look depressed, vicious, or suspicious. Either way I've started thinking that people avoid me because they're afraid of me or something. I'm more afraid of them.

>>5460307
Every time I see a guy who puts big importance on gender differences, I wonder how he ever expects a woman to love him.

>>5460361
he doesn't, because by that point they're bitter enough to know they'll never be loved anyway, so may as well go all out

>>5460334

I can express myself well on occasion though. It just ends up being thrown in my face alot. I help people and I'm nice to everyone (atleast I think so?) but I don't know how to make myself more open.

It makes me cry just thinking about what people would think about me if I truly said whatever was on my mind or my feelings on things.

>>5460169
>A horizontal member bearing the upright portion of a frame.

That is one damn powerful erection.

>>5460211
>Time to turn over the chess board.

Alright, but what does backgammon have to do with anything?

>>5460219
>Why do people have to separate by gender so much? She's a socially awkward PERSON. Who cares if she's male or female?

Because we're essentially trained since birth to draw a distinction between the attitudes, roles, and treatments of men and women?

Alright, I guess that's more the answer to "why do people" than "why do people HAVE to," but you get the point. Long-entrenched social institutions die hard.

>>5460447
I suppose so. It seems like some people take it way too far, both girls and boys. I mean, there's a lot of "lol yeah those darn men/women" type stuff out there, but most people I know never take that sort of sitcom shit seriously? We all make subconscious judgements, but there's never a time when I look at a personality trait of a character or person and think "YEAH THAT'S CUS SHE'S A WOMAN" or something.

>>5460380
Well, that's the problem.

You should stop giving a fuck about what other people would think of you. Be more honest with yourself.

By now no one hates you, but no one likes you either. If you were more open and honest, some people may not like it, but there are lots of people who will surely enjoy your company.

Oh and take yourself less seriously. A person, or two, or three, or twenty who dislike you isn't nowhere near a big deal. No one liking you, on the other hand, is a bigger deal. By the simple act of liking yourself and being candid and transparent to others, people will like you a lot.

To quote an example, I was always the smart kid in the class: If anyone had a question they'd come running to me. This was all through garden, school and highschool. Teachers loved me despite not being flatterer or anything. One day the hottest girl in class, during a trip, was lost and came running to me with the hugest smile and saying 'oh I'm saved anon! I'm lost, could you help me?' I said 'I guess, ok' and she hugged me and kissed me in the cheek, then we went back to the bus while she was grabbing my arm and smiling from one cheek to other, when we arrived she kissed me again, gave a wink and ran away. Another girl always liked me but I always thought she was trying to play jokes on me, turns out she cried on her 16th birthday because I wasn't there (some of her friends even came to my house to ask me to go, I thought they were joking). Now she's a model.

It turns out that I was always avoiding people because I ALWAYS interpreted they were trying to mock or hurt me (ridiculous now that I look back). Instead people always liked me, they considered me honest, warm and reliable. The only time I had a problem with someone (some popular rich girls) the entire class stood up to me. People always liked me but, because I was scared of them and insecure about myself, I killed my social life by putting a shield.

>>5460463
But knowing nearly nothing about a person besides a tiny sample, you will make some assumptions based on what you've observed through life. How quickly you're willing to toss those assumptions aside in the face of new evidence is what really matters IMHO.

For example, if I'd only seen your last post, I'd probably have assumed you were a guy on account of taking a very logic-based approach to the topic. It's not an assumption I'd be proud of, but just a result of noticing an [unfortunate] lack of women who seem to think that way.

>>5460233

Well then if that's true then and you want some company sometime shoot me an e-mail with a messanger you use or something.

Going to just a Junk E-mail since posting anything but a junk e-mail would be really dum.

>>5460361
...what? Yes gender difference exist and they are quite profound. If a woman wants to pretend that men and women are the same fine. But I don't want to deal with that. Generally those women have terrible attitudes and are extremely bitchy.

>>5460468
>It turns out that I was always avoiding people because I ALWAYS interpreted they were trying to mock or hurt me
I'm a paranoid/awkward loner. I always think this, because I know people who don't understand introverts/socially awkward people think they are just avoiding you because they don't want to be near you (being stuck up). Just the other day I have a class with a few people who are all friendly to me, I'm still convinced with myself they are mocking me for some reason or another. Feels bad.
>"Anon your idea is really neat. I totally get it."
>"Anon you want to go eat with me at my dorm?"
God fuck I am pretty dumb. But each failed attempt at accepting them is another strike on what they think of me.

>>5460605
Exactly. You should be more confident on yourself and not take yourself or them too seriously. If they're joking, so what? If they're playing with your feelings like pieces of shit and then stop talking to you, all the better.

>>5460620
Oh and this doesn't happen because you don't accept others. It's because you don't accept yourself. You can't accept that good things happen to you because you think low of yourself, like you don't deserve good things or some shit and try to rationalize that people do nice things but because they're bad persons, not because you're good.

It's pretty silly actually.

When you start to love yourself that feeling disappears.

But I've been there so I know all those feels.

>>5460605
I'm just like this. I've realised I've pretty much ruined any chances to ever be considered normal.

I figure people never actually like me. They either feel sorry for me because I'm always alone or they are making fun of me.

I feel like a complete outsider even in a group. I've felt like this since I was a little kid. I'm going to be foreveralone because I cannot function well with others.

I really wish that I could be just like everyone else who feels comfortable with other people, trusts other people and believes they like being around me.

I'll actually pretend I don't see people I know or pretend I can't hear any random person who says hi or whatever. I can barely make eye contact anymore.

Maybe I'm worse off than some. I let it really get out of hand.

>haven't been on /cgl/ in months because it's turned to shit
>scrolling through front page
>see this thread
>mfw

DEM FEELS MAN. WE ALL FEEL THEM, MALE OR FEMALE.

>>5460760
Cool story bro. Tell us how you lived as both a female and a male again.

>>5460769
Maybe they were a FtM.

>>5460800
Brace for this thread getting even stupider. Awriiiiight.

Men get friendzoned, they can easily find a girl who doesn't give a shit about them and who'll use them to satisfy their emotional needs.

Women get slutzoned, they can easily find a guy who doesn't give a shit about them and who'll use them to satisfy their sexual needs.

>>5460973
The irony

>>5460888
>implying I was serious

>>5460993
>implying that's ever stopped /cgl/ from changing subjects on a dime