OOT Sweet Loli makes you look like a katamari.

I don't mind fat girls in burando or other loli, as long as they aren't busting the seams.

I dislike the way Lolita is going in the West, to a point where I don't even wear Lolita around other Lolita's anymore. To meetups, cons, or anywhere I'm worried a "lolita" might see me. With all the replicas, and people trying to break the image of what Lolita is and make it their own I don't want to associate myself with it.

I miss being in Japan where Lolita is still Lolita, and not so gross like it is here. In the US especially.

I hate lolita blogs because I find them all to be pointless and repetitive.

>>5455318
THIS. It makes them fucking boring. That's also why I avoid most communities.

>>5455314

So much elitism it hurts

>>5455328
"Look at me I've been to Japan which clearly puts me off the ita list and also I'm better than all of you dreamy faggots"

I think any lolita over the age of 21 needs to cut that shit out. I don't care how young you supposedly look, the fashion looks best on younger women. Yes, I am including classic lolita, go wear straight-up Victorian if you still have the bug.

>>5455328
Lolita is a elitist fashion, the western world has turned it into a fucking cheap as shit fashion. I hate it. So does every Lolita in Japan. And all the designers. Everyone in the J-fashion scene hates the western world over there, and this is why. Don't like it? I don't care. This is specifically an unpopular opinion topic.

I really do not like bonnets either.. I think they make you look like a big baby...
And I hate, well, the general nastiness and cattiness of the community

>>5455338

I have a right to post my opinion about your unpopular opinion

And you sound like a hugeeee cunt

In my opinion, of course.

>>5455332
Nope. The fact that I don't buy knock offs, wear coords that took actual thought and effort to go into it, and actually fit in the clothes I wear is what keeps me from being an ita.

I don't care if you've been to Japan, or where you're from. The second you wear a knock off you're the cancer that's killing Lolita.

>Bonnets and other hats also make you look gay as fuck.
>hats make you look gay
>hats
>gay

I'm sorry, I'm not seeing the connection between these two things.

>>5455338
>implying Japanese lolitas don't buy knocoffs as well

>>5455355

Why do I have the feeling this anon is a huge ita

The most obnoxious ones are always the worst dressed (i.e. - faerydragonet)

>>5455367
Knockoffs are horribly looked down upon in Japan especially.

>>5455368
If that makes you feel better about what you do with your life than I welcome you to think whatever you want.

>>5455367
The only place there you could get knockoffs is Bodyline, though they seemed to have stopped selling print replicas. And nobody wears Bodyline except for poor junior high school girls and those who want to cosplay lolita for a day.

>>5455338
Yeah, this is sure why there are tons of itas in every GLB and Kera issue, right...

>>5455334

Except that now that I'm over 21 and have finished college, I have a really great job and can buy all the Lolita I want :) And I look great. There are definitely people who don't suit Lolita, but their age seldom has anything to do it.

>>5455423
Pix or it didn't happen. ;)

>>5455417
They fit the clothes, they're wearing brand, and it is specifically the designers dressing them, except the street shots of course. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it ita. Replicas, wearing something that doesn't fit you, and calling it "Lolita" when it holds no Lolita element is what makes you an ita in Japan.

agh this.
every time I see a bonnet I just think of little house on the prairie and babies

>>5455431
Thanks for the proof that you have never been to japan., maybe in your little weaboo dreamworld but not irl sincejapaneselolitas brag as much about every wrong detail at a outfit of somebody else as western ones do.

>>5455444
Of course they do, everyone will always pick apart everyone based on personal preference. But what makes someone actually ita over there is knock offs and squeezing your ass into something that doesn't fit.

It's hard to talk to you, because over there their are fewer words for things, so "ita" means a lot of things depending on the context, so does "Lolita" actually. But what "ita" means over here, is what I'm explaining. Like the god awful eyesore. Ita also means I don't like her coord, or I wouldn't wear it that way, or any level of "I don't like". But it's slang, everyone uses it differently.

>>5455450
Ita means the same things as in the western world, get over it weaboo.

I don't think there's anything wrong with replicas.

Fixed your statement, OP.

>I fucking hate lolita. It ruins the entire outfit. Lolita makes you look gay as fuck.

I think lolita looks adorable and I'd love to wear it, but the stereotype of lolitas being snobby elitists keeps me away from it.

>>5455462
You seem so angry for such a simple conversation. Whatever is bothering you so much, I hope it gets better soon.

This is another thing I really dislike about Lolita, everyone is hostile as fuck. Instead of just disagreeing and moving on they have to bitch and complain and attack anon on 4chan, tumblr, loli-scerets, or any other website once they get home from their meetups.

I have been so much happier since I left my comm, I can't imagine I'll ever go to another meetup.

Japan is superior desu

>>5455450
>>5455431
>>5455412
>>5455385
>>5455355
>>5455338
>>5455314
WEE-A-BOO
WEE-A-BOO
WEE-A-BOO

I don't even care if you're 100% Japanese born and raised in Tokyo, you are the biggest weeb I've ever met

>>5455482
>Cosplayers

I love this print. So much.

>>5455479

The lolita community doesn't need or want your elitism and weeaboo-ness, so you can just stay where you are.

>>5455487
>if they're dressed bad they must be cosplayers!!!!

put down the pocky, weeb

I hated RHS for the longest time too, OP. But now IMO they look good on people with skinny legs. People with short stubby legs should definitely avoid them.
I also hated bonnets when I just started, but now I love them. Depending on the shape, they can elongate your face and make your face look smaller.

Personally I hate it when people use repetitive prints when making dresses. Pic related: it's a cute print, and I could see it being made as a dress, but for the love of god don't just use such a busy print for a dress. Get a similar fabric of another print so you'd get some sort of contrast in there and break it up visually.
But no, usually people just make a whole dress out of this sort of printed fabric, and throw some lace on there and call it a jsk.

So much butthurt in this thread. Lol

I don't know what people see in miscy's sewing

>>5455479
Butthurt people like you that claimto know EVERYTHING about the japanese comm are just annoying.Ita is the same as everywhere else, just google the japanese term for it and special at 2ch you will tons of posts where lolitas make fun of basicly the same as western lolitas do, even when the person wears brand-

Geez, japanophiles these days...

Do empire waists look good on plus sized people when it comes to lolita?

Sage for off topic, I'd just like some clarification.

>>5455431
Writing it as Lolita instead of lolita makes me think you are the ita.

>>5455502

Her work is average.

Not terrible, not outstanding either.

I've never bought anything full price from her, I just wait until she lowers the price to get rid of them

>>5455506
It depends on the rest of the body some people it can look nice and not attract attention, on some it looks horrible. Know your body type and dress to it.

>>5455514
Thanks anon, I saw this picture and I thought, "Wait... Empire waists can look nice on plus sized people?"

Whenever I hear an "elite" lolita complain about knock offs, itas and replicas, I picture brand sellers laughing menacingly at a round table.

I wish I saw better Western Lolitas. Im so sick of seeing japan ones constantly. I like seeing pretty feminine white girls in lolita.
Not man faced fatties or chinky eyes asians. in b4 asians have big eyes! but they all like rats without eyelids.

>>5455506

It depends on where their fat is. Pear shapes seem to pull it off ok.

>>5455527

>asians
>like rats

Have you ever seen a rat, man? They, like, have more of a protruding nose than any asian I've ever seen, man.

The only lolitas I ever make close friends with are the ones who also cosplay. They just seem so much more laid back...

>>5455994
This.
And they're usually happier and livelier in it too. The other lolitas just sit there and stare at everyone passing..

>>5455923
Yeah, apparently empire waists are flattering for apple and pear shapes.

>>5456033
>>5456057
I wouldn't say it's just cosplayers who enjoy lolita that are more laid back about it, but it's just rather a small portion of lolitas who genuinely are able to enjoy their hobbies without an attitude. As a whole people need to just stop being serious and so defensive especially about the small and mundane things.

90% of lolita outfits look over the top and like utter trash. Honestly, I'm not just talking about sweet, and I realise that lolita is a somewhat "out there" fashion, but most of them look completely classless.

I wish lolitas would all get out of /cgl/. I think lolitas are all the shitposters beind the pixyteri, dakota/kiki kannibal and other drama threads.

Whenever someone on /cgl/ asks a really retarded question (I've been on /cgl/ for years but I don't know where to buy lolita, how do I buy from taobao) I think that they want to wear lolita to signal to other people that they are brain damaged.

>>5456033
>>5455994
I hear you both. i think the complaining about the western world making lolita trashy is really
just veiled statements about the disappointment of the snootiness of lolis in comms here.
Once the fashion gets worn down into mediocrity and mainstream, it actually becomes more likeable.
We've seen how certain small and exclusive fandoms and groups appear on the outside looking in (i.e. hetalia, vocaloids, homestuck)

I don't think Japanese lolitas know or care much about Western ones to be honest. Japanese people are surprisingly isolated.

My pet peeve: people acting like dipshits at meetups since they're so kawaii and princessu desu desu.

I HATE HATE HATE when white people do make up like Asians, especially the gyaru style makeup. It makes white people look derpy and stupid and ngl, it looks dumb on Asians to start with.

>>5456237
I think also that the statement that Western lolita looks "trashy" is really kind of misdirected?
The way one culture handles a fashion will be different from how another one will handle that same fashion.
Not only that, but we have to remember that fashions always change, whether it's from year to year or country to country. In order to keep up with that, change is necessary. That's why "old school" lolita isn't as prevalent anymore, because tastes have changed and the fashion needs to suit a different kind of consumer.

>>5456155
I'm not a lolita and I enjoy those threads

I don't know how unpopular this is, but I think it's so ridiculously stupid when people leave lolita because of the drama reputation or they don't like their local group or whatever. It's clothing. It's a personal hobby or lifestyle or whatever. It doesn't have to be associated with other people at all. Just don't put it on the internet.

>>5456155
If there were no lolitas, this would not be /cgl/, it would be /cos/ or something. /cgl/, given that half the name comes from EGL, so that's a silly comment.

>>5458010

I definitely agree.

Honestly I think when people say that it's just an attention grab

>>5455338
When you decide that your fashion is elitist, you are completely setting yourself up for disappointment. People aren't going to stay out of it just because YOU don't think they belong in it. Pull your head ou of your ass and learn to not give a fuck.

I think OTT-ness of any kind looks stupid and ugly.
I hate lolita shoes, bonnets, stuffed animal purses, pastel color sweet (bright colored sweet is awesome IMO) and decora-style accessorizing.

I like lifestyle lolita as long as it isn't taken to retarded extremes. It's one thing to enjoy a certain aesthetic that lolita happens to fit into, but being a deluded fuck is quite another thing entirely.

People who wear this style while putting no effort into their personal appearance look frumpy and ita as hell.

I wish the lolita community was more like the gyaru one in the sense that those girls aren't shy about giving concrit to posters so they can improve. (I could do without the cattyness and duplicity in the secrets, though.) There are several community members that I wish would see how much of a difference a sense of style and a little careful planning would make in there overall appearance.

I wish Lolita would regain some of its elegance and lose some of its childishness.

I will probably wear lolita when I am middle aged. Even though I'm not wild about all her outfits (see unpopular opinions above), I adore arsenicandoldlace for doing what she wants and not giving a single fuck about other people.

>>5458228
This.
Although I like the stuffed animal purses but not for lolita.

I want to kill this one girl in my community because she's such a power hungry slut that is so popular for her burando but is a total ass to anyone who doesn't kiss her ass.

BITCH I WANT TO THROW YOU INFRONT OF 08 TO KILMARNOCK!

>>5455522
Whenever I read about elite Lolitas complain about itas, knock-offs or cheap brand, I imagine a lolita'd version of the comic book guy from the Simpsons.

'Worst... coord.... ever'

i really hate OTT sweet/fairy-kei and the kawaii obsession that comes along with it.
i also hate it when OTT sweet lolitas complain about people thinking they're in costume or age players or mentally retarded or something. i mean, you're seriously setting yourself up for that.
and finally, i hate it when bigger girls buy brand and alter them to fit larger waists because when they sell them, it's always at a steep discount that i can afford but the fucking waist is altered to be like 10" bigger than mine.

>>5455495
>>5455482
OMG MOAR!!
These photos made my liver cower behind my lungs!

I think rocking horse shoes could look good out of lolita. I think gothic lolita/anything that looks like cosplay is ugly.

>>5458960
Just google '痛いロリータ', it is how japanese spell ita lolita.

>>5458929
>throw you in front of 08 to Kilmarnock
>Kilmarnock
Irish-chan? Are you in the old com or the new com?

Okay.
So.
I hate the mentality that goes along with using "elitist" as an insult.
I mean, sure, everybody hates and exclusive snob, but CALL A SPADE A SPADE. Turning the word "elite" into a put-down? Sounds to me like the people who do that have accepted that they'll never be elite themselves, and are seeking to soothe their self-inflicted butthurt.
I see an elite-level Loli, and I set out to BE THAT GOOD OR BETTER.
I see a snobby hater and I keep on walking.

>>5459183
no irish-chan, scot-chan.
They have a Kilmarnock nearish Glasgow.

an updo of ringlets with a nice tricorne hat is pretty much the greatest hairstyle in the lolita world. no exceptions. other victorian hats are nice too.

>>5459183
Kilmarnock is in Scotland I thought?
Irish lolis posting hate while I'm around isn't a good idea I will add.

I hate that lolita has become a costume, and that all the new lolitas have such a HUGE problem when members of the public call it a costume.

As a gothic/classic lolita who dresses fairly simply nobody ever says this to me, but when you're wearing a multi coloured clown wig, a shit ton of accessories and an animal shaped bag and being all *kawaii peace sign* all over the place you don't look elegant or cute, you look like you're trying too hard to be a child again, when you are obviously not one. Its not just colours, its those huge clip on pigtails!

It gets on my nerves so much. Over the past 2 years the fashion has deteriorated, there are too many weebs now. It annoys me as well when people say 'kawaii-desu' all the time. Like.. everything they see is so kawaii.

I don't think being a cosplayer and a lolita makes you more chill about it either tbh, alot of cosplayers are just as elitist about cosplay as some girls are about lolita

>>5459241
>>5459250
Whoops you guys, I mixed up Portmarnock and Kilbarrack. I was wondering about the bus number, but that clears that up.

And Risette, I'm not one of your "Irish Lolitas".

>>5459241
Riddle me this Scot-chan. Why is everyone in the scottish community in their 30s? I was going to drop a note during my next visit to see if there was a meet around the same time but I heard something rather shocking about a German visitor and I think I'll hold off.

>>5459293
It's cool, I doubted that you were anyway.

>>5459306
Yeah, we barely ever talk on here much anyway, us oldfags.
Got better things to do... like looking up where the Number 8 Dublin Bus goes (Mountjoy to Dalkey, jsyk...) and nope all over /x/ waaaay past my bedtime

>>5459316
I'm trying to figure out who you are now haha.
Umm... Clow Card friend? Pff I have no idea.
New comm or original comm?

>>5459259
I hate this, too. It especially gets on my nerves because as a lover of old-school sweet, I constantly get criticized by these same girls for not being "lolita enough." Your personal taste =/= the only view of lolita fashion.

>>5459350
Oh no no, I am MYSTERIOUS!
I'm in IREGL. You and I have never met or even been in the same room.

>>5459376
-legasp-
I shall find out who you are someday mysterious rarityloli!

>>5459394
You might.
You might indeed.
But Rarityloli is a good term for me, you can't find me on Facebook, I rarely go out in public, and never attend cons.
You know what?
If you ever find me in person, I'll give you a little prize.

Night night ♥

>>5459415
Challenge accepted.
Dun dun dun!

>>5458929
Also a scotfag and now really nervous that this is about me.

I hate how lolita is just another sub-fashion for ugly/fat people (like goth). It's an extremely feminine, delicate and pretty fashion and yet all I see are greasy awkward girls, man-faced Nordic girls, plain Asians, and refrigerator-shaped brown people. Lolita should attract the most beautiful girls and yet it attracts the ugliest because they think clothes will make them prettier.

I wish the skinny pretty girls that normally wear mainstream fashion would get into lolita.

>>5459304
Not OP but another Scottish lolita and I'm not sure we actually have anyone in the community who actually is 30. Most are in their early to mid 20s.
I am interested to understand what you mean about the German visitor though...

>>5458929
Ohhhhhhhhhh! I know who you're talking about "MAHWIFUMWAHWIFU" aye? I swear after the last meet up I saw her I was this close from writing a secret about her. How can anyone stand her self righteous attitude?

>>5459259

Agree with you so much!

I personally think that OTT sweet is about the most awful, inelegant thing, that has ever happened to lolita. If you don't want people to think you're a mentally-challenged child, stop dressing like one.

>>5459498
Ok, so it is about me.
I'm really sorry that I've done anything you haven't liked and they've been annoying.
I'll do my best to tone it down and be less annoying from now on.

>>5459517
I don't think this is about you dear, I have a very small idea who it may be and she's far too up her own ass to admit to being a dick to multiple members *sigh* god, just how many members has she scared off? I am starting to get so sick of her. And I'm also really sure it was her that posted all those secrets but I'm not going to say a word or I'd end up on lolita secrets.

>>5459517
*that I've
Sorry auto-correct.

I'd actually be really grateful if you could tell me what it is you don't like about me.
It'd help for me to see what I need to do to re-evaluate how I interact with others and act in general.
Thanks :)

>>5459536
Are you SURE it's not about me?
'Cause the mah waifu hits pretty close to home.
Look I really enjoy the community and I want to do my best to make sure everyone is comfortable and happy and not rub anyone the wrong way. So please let me know what I can to make that happen.

>>5459538
Ah so it is you,
Well not sure if OP will come back but I guess I know why they were so upset. The way you are around a view members is rather..well harsh. I've seen you roll your eyes when some girls were trying to speak...I thought that was very rude. I've also heard from more than a view people that you scared them away with your less than welcoming attitude. Lisa, I'm sure you're a nice person, I just haven't seen it. Also there has been some talk that you were actually the one who posted all those secrets, now I'm not saying you were just that a part of me wishes you could make good with some members to show you're not the person people whisper about.

I hate bloomers and I don't wear them. I wear a petticoat that's one giant layer and it covers up my bits pretty nicely so I never need them. I hate how people think that bloomers are REQUIRED. No they're not. It's no different from wearing any other short skirt or whatnot.

I'm glad not to have any local comm. The only lolitas in my area are major underageban or 30+ weebs.

>>5459576
I'm sorry that I've come across that way.
I'm not going to make pity parade for myself but some things have been going on in my life that (seeing what you've mentioned) really make me see that I have not been nice and I have been too harsh.
I want to make it very clear that I did not post those secrets. I know you have no reason to believe me but I have never posted a bad secret about the Scottish lolitas (actually I posted one about how lovely the community is). The fact that people would think that makes me see I really need to change the way I act and become a more open welcoming person.

I think I may need to take a little while a way from the community so I can try and mature a little more but I have to thank you so much for being so honest with me.
I hope I can change and be a better person for the community :)

>>5459616
Not part of the UK community but I have to admire you for admitting your mistakes in front of a lot of people. Kudos to you.

>>5459616
Thank you for being so understanding Lisa, I've been waiting to have this conversation for some time now. Now if I could just talk to a certain someone else about not being such a special little snow flake and saying sorry for her childish ways I feel this community could go back to not being so gosh darn catty.

>>5459638
No seriously thank you for telling me.

I hope I can use this time to grow and better myself :)

And please tell anyone that I am truly sorry for anything I've done to them.

>>5459651
I don't even live on the same continent as you, but I really admire you for taking such a cool-headed approach and being mature. Good job!

I think there are few people who look really, really good in OTT sweet Lolita. Not only do you have to have the right look, but you have to be really good at coordinating.

Also, I think super OTT coords are best reserved for meetups and special events. Wearing a more toned-down version for "every day" kind of things is more sensible.

I absolutely hate Kodona or guys in boystyle. I don't mind brolitas but I just cringe every time I see some guy running around in a top hat and jabot. I don't know why but even in the height of Lolita I would never want to be seen with someone in boystyle, it's too embarrassing.

I adore Lolitas with their nerdy geek t-shirt and converse boyfriends.

>>5459651
Don't worry I'll show them the message,

See you next meet Lisa, I do love your outfits.

>>5459683
Thanks so much.

I'll do best for this community :)

>>5459677
still looks retarded

>>5459677
I thought this was more Hime for Shelby Clouds, her sweet is not really like this? I can't remember what she called it in her video.

>>5459697
Well, there is still the matter of the secrets. If you have ANY idea who it may have been, whether they spoke ill or even hinted, maybe even used the same words. It would be very handy to know who this person was so I could have a one to one with them. Summer is on it's way and I'm very anxious about any issues that may start that don't need to be fueled by secrets.

I think people who wear OTT stuff and those colourful cotton candy wigs look like clowns. Especially when they pile on the make up, wear pastel wigs, circle lenses and lashes
I laugh every time they say it's not a costume. "Just because I wear a clown outfit all the time doesn't mean it isn't still a costume" type of thing

I also think there are certain dresses that look better without a petticoat. Ex: those painted print dresses, they're usually cut the same as normal dresses, just the print is "unusual"

Split wigs look horrible unless it's natural hair colours that are only a few tones off from each other and are blended well.

I think dresses with food prints look retarded. I find it a tad funny when a "bigger" lolita wears one.

I don't like dresses/skirts with corset lacing. especially in the front. They can look ok. But unless you're at a convention or meet up, it's a detail that makes it look very ott in public. So it's a "time and place" detail imo

>>5459715
I honestly have no idea.
It actually upset me a little at the time that someone I know could've posted them. Actually that's probably why people thinking I posted them hit me so hard.
I do hope this all sorted out.
It probably doesn't seem it from my previous actions, but I really want us to be a nice, happy community.

>>5459715
Actually, that's not entirely true.
I might have a tiny sneaking suspicion but I'm not entirely sure.
I'd rather not say it on a public board though.
If you're comfortable messaging me on facebook then we could discuss it there. If not I can completely understand.

>>5459729
Well looks like it's back to our first theory. That someone from the English comm actually posted them, it's their style of secrets, they were very vague and knew she only cared about community secrets. Just great. If that's the case then I guess I'll have to drop the issue all together.
Thank you for telling me though.

>>5459751
oh wait really?
okay wait there I'll sign into my other account.

>>5459751
My alt account is Skel Lator

People who think they're lolitas 'at heart', trying to justify the fact that they don't have a single piece of clothing.
'But I'm a lolita even if I don't have a basic skirt!!!1!1'. No. Just no. You're a lolita if you have the clothes, not because you 'have a lolita heart/soul'. That's bullshit.
Also, lifestylers who think they should lolify everything, even their attitudes. It's a fashion, you shouldn't change your personality because of a poofy dress. For fuck's sake.

I want to ban boyfriends and parents from meet ups. The guys just sit there sulking and the parents make shit awkward. The sad thing is, the girl who always brings her mom is over 18.

I don't care if you're shy, the rest of us make it okay without bringing our neckbeard boytoys along or our parents.

>>5459868
i think if the boyfriend dresses nicely, it's not so bad. but when it's some neckbeard in his rattiest Slipknot shirt and tripp jeans hulking along behind his loli girlfriend and smelling like he'd been rotting in the sun for a week, then it turns me off from the meet on a whole.

i also like that there's at least 3 of us always going to meets and hanging out afterwards to bullshit over coffee and stuff. it makes it a little more intimate and then you get to know them as people, too, so you can appreciate them as friends beyond the dresses.

>>5459868
I wouldn't mind if someone brought their boyfriend, so long as he was clean shaven, dressed nicely and actually socialized with people.

I hate shopping services because they are just glorified scalpers.

I'm really scared about trying to get involved in the TO comm because I've seen all of the spite and drama online in other comms. I only have one coord and it needs some fine tuning (only got it yesterday) and I'm worried that my inexperience will cause the comm to look down on me.

>>5458980
I...think I'm in love.

Any lolita style cribbed from traditional Asian clothing such as wa-lolita looks like absolute shit on white girls.

>>5455292
http://youtu.be/gBIbrBC8ggQ

wat

i hate how most lolitas like mlp
its a show for kids, not grown women
grow up.
and most of them are bitches
btw your kawaiii loli~*~ wigs are shit

>>5459204
I dislike the snobbish attitude some Lolita's have.
I've been in love with Lolita for awhile now, but I've been too scared to buy anything because of all the bitchy women in the community. I don't want to deal with that kind of shit. Why can't people just wear what they want? Some of you women out there just need to grow up and stop bullying others.

>>5460206
There is crazy bitches in every single fandom for everything ever, from "normal" fashion to dolls to music and so on. Grow a pair and ignore them.

>>5460206
Why would bitchy people stop you from wearing the clothes in your own time. i can understand not wanting to go to meetups or cons but it's silly to not wear it because some lolitas out there might have an attitude problem.

>>5460205
You better have a problem with bronies as well if you seem to have problems with women watching a show most have grown up with.

>>5460205
>grow up
>wears lolita
lol ok

>>5460221
In my mind, I compare what it would be like to have people from other fashions look at me strangely, and what it would be like to have other lolita's stare. The latter just fucking terrifies me. This may just be because I'm a newbie, but having your community reject you seems incredibly lonely.

>>5460260
>having your community reject you seems incredibly lonely

This is the main reason why I am too scared to go to meetups :[

>>5459304
>>5459474

yeah, what did you hear about a German visitor that scared you off from going to the meets?

>>5460205
Most? I've only ever met one other loli who liked pones.


Another confession: my mum, who knows precisely dick about Lolita, went off on a HUGE rant about how stupid OTT sweet lolitas look and I felt kind of bad for finding it so funny.

>>5460205
Because many lolitas like cute, heartwarming shit? That's basically what My Little Pony is.

The whole point of the show in fact was to break the whole 'Shows aimed at young girls have to be painfully girly' attitude, so it was only natural that it would appeal to many people

Just because there's a target demographic, it doesn't mean it has to be limited to it.

>>5459616

You've nothing to apologize for as afterall, you're the lucky girl that'll become my wife.

I was actually thinking of you today and took a pic of myself, there wasn't enough room to fit all of me in the pic, but you know, I am the size of a barge after all.

In regards to ponies, this has nothing to do with lolita but I just... do not understand the hype

I do not understand neckbeards at the back of class bro-hoofing each other

I do not understand the Saturday morning 1000+ post threads on /co/ (no, I'm not making that number up)

I do not understand the constant pony generals, all day, every day. (What the hell is there to talk about? Its an episodic show about ponies.)

I do not understand the plushies that sell for $400

And yes, I have tried to watch the show. I watched it when it first came out. It's a slightly above average, poorly flash animated children's program. That's it.

If anything this attention and popularity deserves to go to Dan vs., a vastly superior show.

>>5462423

If you were a depressed, lonely neckbeard, like myself, you'd see why it's popular.

>>5462438
Honestly this. I started watching ponies when I was going through a really bad time, same time as I started listening to Jedward. It's just so... cheerful.

>>5462423
>Dan Vs.

Hell yeah, I love that show

Polite sage for popping in a lolita thread to post this

>>5462441

I have to say that even though, I admit, there's a chance I'd like it, and I definitely understand it's appeal to people like me, I still don't watch it. I listen to a lot of music, read a lot and when nothing else helps, just drink as much as I can and cry myself to sleep.

>>5462449
Oh, bless. You really should try it, it's great. Listen to this and tell me you don't at least giggle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF03LwE87Og

>>5460144

I just think that it usually looks like shit on anyone, let alone the mannequin.

All this earlier talk about RHS makes me wonder if it's a good idea to attend my uni grad in those shoes. It seems like a fun idea, but at the same time, those shoes are kind of hard to walk in.

>>5462463

Stop trying to convert people to your ponycult

>>5458929
Hi Lauren.
Your vendetta is shown. Kindly wander off back to England and leave our peaceful community alone

>>5462463

It's cute, sure, but honestly, the cheeriness just makes me sadder. Right now I'm much better off with stuff like Skagos' "Ást". I just listen to it and drown in the atmosphere and can be at a relative piece for a few hours. It's raining outside, which helps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9rtU3zdAQo

>>5462511
Unfortunate. I tried to do that, but it never worked for me, and it's kind of hard to sit in and listen to Marilyn Manson by myself when people are throwing ponies and Jedward at me to cheer me up. I really hope that things get better for you.
If this isn't terribly creepy, my skype is in the email field, I'm pretty used to helping people with depression so feel free to drop me a message if you ever need someone to vent to.

>>5462500
It's a great song and you know it.

Those fawn collars are fugly. I don't know why everyone creams their bloomers over them.

>>5463594

I don't like them either.

>>5463594
I agree. Though I find it hilarious that the fur-haters are totally okay with looking like they killed bambi.

>>5463594
I hate fawn everything.

i plan on making a lolita coat and having detachable cuffs and a collar made from real fur. why? fuck it, i want to, and i can never find a faux fur that has the look or feel i prefer.

I don't think chokelate is a great lolita. To me, her outfits and looks are very average. Not to say that she is or isn't a bad person, I just don't think she is the amazing lolita that everyone says she is.

While having my own reasons for doing so, I vastly prefer real fur and leather to faux alternatives. Generally, I am respectful of those who don't wish and are against the real products so I will mark my posts accordingly. However, the attitudes of certain members regarding this issue really annoy me.

I'd rather have tits than fit into burando.

Also, I think it's awesome when young girls (like 14-17) get into loli. A lolita padawan would be the greatest. I could teach her not to be an elitist cunt, and get her a kodona boyfriend. Shit would be cash. Sadly, this is real life.

>>5464220

yeah, i understand that people out there do find it tasteless, but it's none of their business.

>>5464266
hey, if your waist is still small, you can wear brand skirts!

I think people who wear OTT stuff and those colourful cotton candy wigs look like clowns. Especially when they pile on the make up, wear pastel wigs, circle lenses and lashes
I laugh every time they say it's not a costume. "Just because I wear a clown outfit all the time doesn't mean it isn't still a costume" type of thing

I also think there are certain dresses that look better without a petticoat. Ex: those painted print dresses, they're usually cut the same as normal dresses, just the print is "unusual"

Split wigs look horrible unless it's natural hair colours that are only a few tones off from each other and are blended well.

I think dresses with food prints look retarded. I find it a tad funny when a "bigger" lolita wears one.

I don't like dresses/skirts with corset lacing. especially in the front. They can look ok. But unless you're at a convention or meet up, it's a detail that makes it look very ott in public. So it's a "time and place" detail imo

>>5464266
I fucking hate Lolita's that want a Kodona boyfriend, or a Lolita boyfriend, or an Aristocrat boyfriend. It's worse to me than using your pet as an accessory, you buy the pet use it for whatever you want. But people are people, and to literally pick who you date based on 1 interest is just disgusting.

i think i'm reluctant to lose weight because then i'd have to get rid of all my handmade stuff that i really love. besides, couldn't i be one of the fatties that does it right?

>>5464341
Possibly you are. Either way if you don't want to lose weight and you are 100% happy with the way you look right now, honestly why change it? Yes, the internet is cruel specially here on 4chan, but realize in real life, outside of the internet... Do you actually care about their opinions?

>>5464161

This. If she wasn't a model people wouldnt be creaming themselves over her outfits

>>5464350
i know i should mostly for my health and for life longevity (and avoiding the beetus), that's what concerns me above the internet opinions, cus no matter the weight, cgl's taught me that no one is safe from ridicule :P

>>5464499
Pretty much. Although this could be changed to "if she wasn't thin and pretty." People aren't creaming over her outfits (even if they try to claim they are) - they're creaming over her appearance.

I'm nice to my local community, but I secretly think they're a bunch of grade-A retards. I seriously have never encountered so many stupid morons in one place.

None of them know how to coordinate, either.

>>5464768
Are you me? There are only like 2-3 girls in my community who can dress themselves it's rather depressing.

I kinda miss old lolita. I hate this OTT shit and think it should spin off in its own subfashion.

There is one girl in my community and I swear she is the biggest bitch I have ever met. You wear a replica? She makes you feel like shit about it. She wears a replica? You're supposed to praise her for being such a good bargain shopper. You wear shitty halloween makeup? "ITA!" She wears shitty halloween makeup? "It was the only green lipstick I had and I just had to tie in the green in my socks!"
She's also one of those girls who has to argue about the smallest things and when she has that "oh shit" moment that she realizes she's wrong, she finds another tiny thing that you said, flips it around, and tries to find something else she can be right about.
I swear, if I didn't like everyone else in the group I would have punched her in the face by now.

>>5464955
It is it's own substyle.

But then you have people thinking any sweet lolita is OTT lolita makes me facepalm so hard. No seriously, pic related. People have told me it's a bad coordination because it wasn't OTT enough when it's just regular sweet lolita.

I'm sick of these fug "kyary-inspired/creep cute" coords. Split ponytail wigs are fugly. I hate how dead my comm is. "Fairy-key" need to gtfo.

It baffles me that some newbies think you can make a lolita wardrobe entirely from unaltered Goodwill finds. So you're super cheap? You can't sew? You won't shop online? I'm not sure what to say, but this is probably not the right fashion for you. They seem to get butthurt and/or make excuses if anyone points that out.

>>5465242

This so much. You might luck out with a couple offbrand or thrifted blouses, shoes, accessories etc., but you can't do an entire wardrobe. Fact.

>>5464968
Oh man, this is cute. I'm not a fan of OTT at all, but I LOVE simpler, more classy Sweet outfits. Wish we saw more of them. Reminds me of Momoko when she was wearing the non-lacemonster stuff in Kamikaze Girls.

wtf "lifestylers" who have no clothes

>>5465689

This shit grinds my gears more than anything else. "I'm a lolita in my heart" stuff, lol no you're not just buy a $60 bodyline dress and shut UP

>>5465689
That's a ruckus? I saw that topic and she never bothered addressing any of the good points people gave her unless she was COMPLETELY AGREEING

>>5465385
This. Like another Anon said, I really see OTT Sweet (or any style for that matter) as something Lolitas wear on special occasions instead of "lol brb going to grocery store" kind of thing.

For my unpopular opinions:

I like the creepy/cute coordinates of they're done well and planned out. Some prints/dresses go with this idea better than others and would like to see them used more. The "Popular AP print with punky accessories" formula is getting old.

>>5465754
Mhm. People say stuff like guro and pirate is only appropriate for photoshoots and cons, but I see OTT Sweet like that... it's just not really something you could get away with wearing outside of a lolita event, whereas more toned-down sweet skirts and JSKs look great for summerwear.

>>5464968
That's cute! If I ever get into lolita, simple sweet would be best for me. Any more?

>>5465773
This the sort of thing you're looking for? I love this one, she looks like a doll, and I guess that's what we're all aiming for really.

>>5465779
Really love the girl on the left's look... maybe I'm just tired of all the super-loud AP prints that seem to define sweet these days.

>>5465785
>>5465779
I've always loved sweet lolita, even the AP prints. The only thing that bugged me is when they started wearing all sorts of accessories and giant colorful clown wigs.

I started out gothic lolita and now old school sweet is taking over. In black x white. I don't care that I might be ita by some standards. MAXIPADS AND FLAT ASS MARYJANES AND ALL THE RUFFLES FOR THE WIN!

>>5465791
I love giant wigs (Tempest Paige is a hero of mine, DAT HAIR) but not really as a lolita thing, just in general. They'd be nice as deliberately loud and costumey OTT sweet at a con or something, but it's not really something you can wear as normal fashion.

I don't get the accessories either. I have never felt any great desire to cover my hands in cakes.

>>5465804
I like them too, but not for lolita.
I don't mind a couple of accessories, maybe an animal purse to put your stuff in. But overloading yourself with 10 purses around your neck is unnecessary.

I think tea party shoes with a lot of bows and ruffles look atrocious. Like I know a lot of people hate on RHS, but I think shoes with a crapload of bows and rounded toes look more childish than anything else. I'd rather see a nice pair of pumps or flats with a coord than those things, I don't understand why everyone flocks to them...probably because they're an "established" go-to item for lolita but still. I wish people used a bit more of their creativity.

>>5465818
> But overloading yourself with 10 purses around your neck is unnecessary.
How else am I supposed to carry everything I need???
/silly

I have no unpopular opinion on lolita... I think. Maybe if I ever started wearing it I would.

>>5465823
Hide it in your hair, silly

I really don't like OTT colored wigs, split wigs, sweet accessories, most food based prints (primarily desserts/sweets... fruit is slightly better, depending on the print), tea party shoes, nor stuffed animal purses.

But, I have no problem making ultra sweet dresses with candy and cake embroidered border prints, and OTT accessories for other people. It's kind of fun to do something that is so far from what I personally like. I've even made MLP things, even though I don't like it (I usually collab with moms making stuff for their kids).
I get really tired of designing for one single style, so I take the insane sweet stuff as a challenge, and focus more on what makes my client happy, and not on what I actually like. This kind of focus makes me really proud of what I make, even though I don't like the style? idk.

>>5459259
I hate hoe goth-lolis think their outfits are superior because it doesn't get called a costume. The only reason people don't say that your goth-loli outfit looks like a costume is because you just look like a goth. If you even mention lolita, they'll just think it's some form of goth.

Get off your high horse.

fuck all of you. I can't fit into brand because I'm too tall. fucking assholes.

>>5459584
I hated them until at one meet I saw one girl get in to a car and her whole bloomer-covered ass showed. It made me really self-conscious and I decided to start wearing. Pretty glad I did since someone was trying to get up-skirt shots of me at the last meet-up =/

>>5464147
The shitty attitude people got over real fur made me want to make some real fur stuff. Don't know what yet though.

I dislike lolita in general. I don't think it's ever looked good on anyone. It's kinda creepy really. If I walked into a house full of porcelain dolls like this, no matter how modern, well kept, or well made they were, they would creep me right the hell out.

The people who dress like this are like something out of a horror movie where some weird old lady placed a curse on the people who tried to rob her, and her doll collection comes to live to exact their revenge on the horny teenagers who wronged her.

Fat, thin, japanese, or weeaboo, it weirds me right the fuck out.

I dislike Bonnets too, they make me think of adult babies.. it creeps me out.

Also I prefer girls doing nice things with their own hair instead of buying neon colored wigs with lots of doll curls..

I enjoy the human body way too much to like lolita at all. It seems to come from an era when people were ashamed of their bodies, and covered up as much as they could, obscuring even the basic shapes of the body with layers upon layers of pleated puffy cloth(Probably why the fatties like it). Even with the modern twist, using the short skirts and whatnot, it's almost weirder because it's human parts poking out of something glaringly not human.

I'm not suggesting more fashion should be half naked skin tight slutwear. I just think more modern and contemporary clothing works with the human body, rather than fighting it.

Also, a lot of the makeup is really clowny.

>>5466464

I solve this problem by wearing bike shorts or yoga shorts

>>5466582
that's really cute.

Looking to buy a pair of shoes for lolita; Is it okay to wear tights with open-toed shoes?

>>5466600
I'd say that's fine.

>>5466600
Personally I think it looks stupid, but girl in Japan do it all the time.

>>5466571
>>it comes from an era

You are totally entitled to your opinion about Lolita. But, it doesn't come from any era other than about 2004-now. Lolita !=historical costume. It has elements that are based on Victorian and Rococo and 1950s but it is a modern invention.

>>5466684
I hate when people say it's from an era. It's based off or inspired from an era. It doesn't have to look anything like what it is inspired from.

>>5466684
Lolita started before 2004
learn2internet

I think taobao sellers come out with more interesting dresses than any brand, besides MM and JetJ and occasionally IW.

Also, elitist bitches suck. Most of them are fugly ass OTT sweet lolitas who have shitty, fried, over bleached hair, so they wear wigs and try to make wigs look cool. Newsflash! The wigs look fucking STUPID. It makes you girls look like fucking CLOWNS.

OTT sweet lolita, obese girls, and really ugly girls are the cancers that are killing lolita. Not old people. Not Bodyline. Not even replicas.

>>5466459
Agreed. People just assume people wear replicas because of money issues or they're lardasses are more than often short skinny 15 year-olds who can complain about replicas because they've never had to buy their own dress, ever. It's easy to shit on something you don't have to deal with, just like pro-life males do.

All of you who are complaining about how OTT and ugly girls and "obese" girls are "the cancer that is killing lolita" make up 99.9% of the cancer that is killing lolita, jsyk.

>>5466714
Yes, it started before 2004, I chose that date arbitrarily because in earlier years it looked sufficiently unlike the current styles that it's like comparing a wooly mammoth to an elephant. Pic related.

Only like, MAYBE 10% of chubby/fat girls look good in Lolita, otherwise it's a skinny girl fashion. That's why I quit. I was fat and large breasts in Lolita looks fetish-y.

>>5466768
What's hilarious about that photo is that it represents what Angelic Pretty used to look like waaaaay back in the day.

i really want to be a lolita but i am too damn tall, i am jealous of you all

>>5466812
You and the other tall-chan -- what is the big deal? Just get stuff made for you. Brand is not the only option, you know. (Neither is replica for that matter.)

People who do punk lolita seem to combine it with sweet or goth, but I'd love to see it done with classic.

I don't mind replicas, but I won't buy them myself.
I understand that you may not have the figure/dedication/income for the real deal. That's fine. I just enjoy supporting the producer of the original designs.
I'm that girl who wears solid-color classic dresses, likes looking at prints on other people and still buys CDs...
/trying to balance my values

>x is the cancer that's killing lolita
>no, you saying that is the cancer that's killing lolita
>no, you saying that I'm saying that that's the cancer that's killing lolita is the cancer that's killing lolita

I love toned-down and casual AP coords. It reminds me of Betsey Johnson.

I also love bare arms and/or legs in Lolita for the summer.

I love toned down sweet too. :3 It's mostly what I wear. Not too keen on ALL THE STUFF being in my hair..

Non-/cgl/ goer here.

I fucking hate the name 'lolita' in relation to style, Lolita, the 1955 novel by Vladimir Nabokav, was a book about a middle aged pedophile who refers to himself as Humbert Humbert raping a twelve year old girl. Not about frilly dresses that look like shit.

>>5466972

This isn't an unpopular opinion

90% of people who don't know about lolita fashion feel this way so... yea, that was a waste of time, bro

>>5466989
I just wanted to be the one to remind you degenerates of your terrible faggotry, have a nice day~

>>5466999

How cute.

back to /v/ with you, little one.

>>5467008
>lolitafag thinks she's superior
laughinggirls.jpeg

>>5467012

You are just a ball of adorable aren't you, you little rascal <3

>>5466964
My personal style tends to be more towards gothic/classic, but I really enjoy seeing casual AP coords because like I said, it reminds me of one of my favorite designers.

I think even within my own style I tend to be pretty utilitarian. (As much so as you can be with something like lolita, anyway...) I like to wear it whenever appropriate/possible. I also prefer to buy shoes, blouses, bags and accessories that I can wear with my "normal" clothes.

>>5466972
Honey, get the camera quick! It's babby's first troll!

I enjoy split wigs, I have a pastel lavender - white wig, and I find it to be great.

Whenever somebody whom I know sees me out and about in lolita, I always tell them I'm in a play. It's happened twice. It made me feel worse than it probably should.

For an unpopular opinion, I dislike gothic lolita moreso than sweet. Aristocrat is much more... Aesthetically pleasing to mine tired eyes.

>>5467027
that wig and hoodie needs to burn

I don't think those shoes go very well considering there's barely any yellow. would work better if colors were reversed

>>5467027

Wig, no

Shoes... maybe. If she somehow incorporated yellow into the rest of the outfit they could have worked

As far as the cardigan, it looks like a cheap hoodie :<

I like sleeveless cutsews and bare/mostly bare legs in the summer.

>>5467191
It seems like AP in particular has such a wide selection of summer-friendly cutsews. I wish it were easier to find classic and gothic stuff in the same vein. I'm going to boil when summer comes.

I love it when people get their panties in a twist over replicas. As it's been established with rabbit777, and other various idiots, it's the biggest itas that whine the most about offbrand.

Confession : I secretly want to be really popular online. But, I know it's a stupid thing to want. I have social anxiety issues, and I feel rejected if I'm not being constantly sought after and praised. At least I know that it's weird and stupid.

Unpopular Opinion : Idiot older lolitas are worse than the super young newbies. At least they have the excuse of ignorance and immaturity. I hate all of the older girls in my comm. They constantly blunder up meetups, and have just made a mess of things. Now I have to organize everything so they won't fuck it up. I can't wait to move and join an organized comm.

I love when I get posted in secrets. It's a rarity, but I'm surprised it hasn't happened more with some of the things I've said and the material they've been given. I think there is one or more people though that hate me since I noticed some of my smaller remarks getting picked on, but that's alright, I love knowing that someone thinks of me enough to hate me.

>>5467768
There's never been a secret about me. I'm really surprised by this, especially since I tend to get into arguments rather often and don't go anon.

>>5467768
haha me too

i don't really crave the attention but now i'm just trolling to see if anyone will stand up for idiot noobs