Agreed. Strict immigration laws help to preserve global diversity.

It hasn't been the japan I love since the 1940's.

Yup it wouldn't. But weebs would still rape it's past image.

Just saying, Japan better change something fast, their birth rate is shit.

BUT THEY SHOULD LET IN MILLIONS OF AFRICANS!

>>5290800
best answer

>>5290799
Change what? You've got 130 million people packed into an area smaller than California. There's nothing wrong with their overall population declining.

>>5290804
There is when a great percentage of those people are over 50s. The elderly make up a huge chunk of the Japanese population, and when they die the population is gonna plummet.

>>5290804

Except that their current economy is going to have problems if the birthrate increases. People keep retiring and with a decrease in people to take over those jobs, they'll have to bring in outside help. And who is going to support all the people who retire?

>>5290809
and when their grandkids are born there will be a boom... come on people think a little!

>>5290810
It doesn't work like that, there are other ways of supporting the elderly. Family support for example is still big in Japan. Not only that, but if you need more state support, just cross-subsidize from other areas of the budget, or raise taxes. I'd rather take a tax hike to pay for a few more retirement homes and investment in pension funds than letting foreigners take over all of Europe.

Let me post some evidence for how unproductive most post 1970s immigrants are.

>>5290812

What makes you think there will be a boom in population from that generation?

>>5290814
The French organization Contribuables Associes (Associated Taxpayers) has published a study on the real cost of immigration. The website Le Salon Beige has a link to the complete study, in pdf format. The study shows that for a 30-year period after the Second World War immigration was a benefit to the State. But when the immigration laws changed to allow family reunification, and political or economic asylum, employment as the primary motive was replaced by the notion of population substitution, i.e. the bringing in of massive numbers of immigrants to change the ethnic make-up of a country. The needs of the immigrant population have thus surpassed the revenue from payroll contributions and taxes. The key points of the study are as follows:

- France has 6,868,000 immigrants, or 11% of the population.
- Immigration reduces by two thirds the growth of the GNP.
- The cost of immigration in France is 71.76 billion euros.
- The revenue from immigration in France is 45.57 billion euros.
- The deficit from immigration shouldered by the taxpayers is 26.19 billion euros.
- When an immigrant does not return home at the expiration of his work contract, it is the State (the taxpayer) who bears the cost of welfare and social benefits.
- Non-European immigrants and their descendants receive 22% of all social benefits.
- The unit-price of requests for asylum is 15,000 euros.
- The majority of immigration expenses do not depend on the Ministry of Immigration headed by Brice Hortefeux.
- Expenses for security linked to immigration amount to 5.2 billion euros.
- The black market involves at least 500,000 immigrants and represents a loss to the State of 3.810 billion euros.
- 65 to 90% of prostitutes are foreign.
- The unemployment rate of immigrants is twice that of non-immigrants.
- Social benefits constitute 14% of the average revenue of immigrant households versus 5% for non-immigrant households.

>>5290817
In addition, an ever growing group of Third World immigrants is dependent on welfare. A study by Tyra Ekhaugen of the Frisch Centre for Economic Research and the University of Oslo concluded that immigration has increased the pressure on the welfare state, because many immigrants do not join the tax-paying part of the population.

Third World immigrants are, the study showed, recipients of social security benefits at a rate ten times that of native Norwegians - destroying the liberal argument used by pro-immigration politicians in Norway that immigration was necessary to maintain the social welfare state.

More than half of all social security benefits in the city of Oslo are spent on non-Western immigrants. Immigrants from Africa have the highest unemployment rate, with official figures in 2005 showing a black unemployment rate of 17.5 percent.

Immigrants from Asia had an unemployment rate of 12.3 percent, while those from South and Central America had an unemployment rate of 10.1 percent. The average unemployment rate amongst native Norwegians was 2.4 percent.

>>5290814

Well then tell me where they're going to get people to replace the jobs that the elderly are retiring from?

>>5290814

This. There are two options, you can pay for that demographic wave with a bit of cross subsidization and so on. Or you can let in huge amounts of immigrants that eventually take over your nation demographically and don't even solve the problem anyway - Japanese are the most productive workforce in the world, there's no way third worlders are going to be able to equal their levels of productivity and work ethic.

>>5290820
They can mechanize a few of them, outsource other elements, if worse comes to worse, the overall GDP will decline, but that doesn't necessarily correspond to a decline in living standards for the average Japanese. Quite the contrary, a decline in population will mean a decline in the cost of land and property.

>>5290816
Well, people in their fifties and over are getting ready to retire. When they do, new jobs are opened up. Younger people take the jobs, settle down, have families.. family owned businesses promote their children to heads of companies, they settle down, etc...

as long as there's no natural disaster that further crushes the population it will continue to ebb and flow.

>>5290823

Do they only have to hire third world immigrants? If the Japanese are concerned about work ethic or productivity wouldn't they hire people who qualify for those jobs and not the cheapest labor?

Nobody has answered the real question: Who cares about overall GDP declining anyway? Liberals who say that there are more important things than economy are now suddenly concerned with getting the cheapest labor possible? Bullshit. You want Japan to open up its immigration laws so it turns into a multicult libtard shithole like all of your nations. Asshole hypocrites. You don't care about 'diversity', you care about black and brown people diversity. That's it.

>>5290840

Well they could always bring in Koreans like they used to.

Come on libfags, read this:

>>5290817
>>5290819

Wow I came here for drama, not educational bullshit.

>>>/pol/
>>>/int/
>>>/jp/

cosplay

>>5290817
> But when the immigration laws changed to allow family reunification, and political or economic asylum, employment as the primary motive

This. Work visa immigrants are fine. They work, do their shit and go home. The problem comes when libs started to allow them to bring their huge families over, relaxed asylum laws in accordance with stupid UN treaties and so on. Japan only let in something like on asylum seeker for 1990 to 1999.

If you don't have family reunification, asylum and ius soli, it's fine.

Don't care much for Japan anymore.

Global diversity is nice. Imagine if everyone looked like a brown person.

>>5290794
You think immigrants care about diversity? No. Economy is forever the cause of immigration, and as long as there is economic motive, immigration will happen, legal or illegal.

>>5290858
>Fallacy #47: "Immigration is inevitable, you can't stop it."

Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Mainland China, Singapore etc manage to stop mass immigration and keep it under control.

Hell, even Arab Nations have strict immigration laws.

You really love off-topic threads, don't you?

I don't think I've ever seen you creating a cosplay thread.

>>5290859

Wrong about Singapore, it's actually very easy for foreigners to implant themselves here. We have so many foreigners everywhere. They're mainly from China and Phillipines, with a few Caucasians here and there. Malaysians aren't even included in this equation.

>>5290861
Yeah but most of those dudes were native to Singapore even prior to it getting independence. Singapore has incredibly strict laws regarding work visas. If you lose your job on a work visa while there, you have to leave the country within like... a week unless you can find another job within that time period. Plus you have no family reunification laws, accept virtually no asylum seekers etc.

>>5290861
Also, you must know Singapore's immigration policy is specifically set up to maintain Han Chinese majority dominance right?

>>5290860
He's always trying to push his bullshit in this board, probably because of the amount of women. I'm very happy with my mixed race boyfriend so it will never work on me though.

>>5290866
That's why you always reply to these threads right? lolol.

Oh, there are more and more foreigners being married to Japanese nationals, numbers of half-Japanese kids are on the rise and the country is indeed changing. Not really to the worse, especially considering the work place.
The Japanese have noticed their language skills suck, so they get more and more foreigners into the country to teach them.
Right now, being a foreigner who's not here on vacation is still kind of a novelty, but just wait some years...
(I doubt the Japanese will ever be a minority in Japan.)

>>5290870
That's not true. Every attempt to liberalize Japanese immigration laws has failed in the Diet, it has been voted down by both a majority of LDP and DPJ members.

When Japan imports workers, it does it very carefully. For example, recently they signed a deal with a nursing college in the Philippines to take something like 200 of their top graduates every year, they give them temp work visas, subject to immediate revocation upon the slightest infraction of the law and there is no route to citizenship as a result of the temporary work visas. Temporary really does mean temporary.

You are imparting your own fantasies onto Japan. Japan will never have third world ghetto shitholes like Detroit and Baltimore. Deal with it and go 'culturally enrich' some other country with negroes.

>>5290867
It's the first time I reply to your threads, smartass.

>>5290790

I'd rather not imagine that. And I can only hope that it won't happen.

I'm actually a libfag - but immigration isn't always a good thing. It can be - but only when it adds to a society, not detracts from it.

>>5290874
It only adds to societies when it's people from black and brown countries coming to Europe and North America, right?

>>5290873
Go away then you insecure attention whore. You know nothing about the world. Keep living in your suburban bubble.

>>5290876
haha and what the hell do you know about the world?
I'm sorry for calling you out on your bullshit.

>>5290877
>haha and what the hell do you know about the world?

Well I know not all people and groups of people are equal.

The fact is that there are lots of assholes everywhere and different groups have larger or smaller amounts of them depending on a lot of factors; race being one of them.

I used to be like you too. But I realized that the world wasn't first world suburbia.

>bullshit

What, if anything, have I ever said that is bullshit?

>>5290876

No, it only adds to society if the individual brings in skills and/or knowledge we could benefit from. Whether that individual is black, brown, yellow or some fucking green guy is irrelevant otherwise.

Also cheap labor is not a skill and/or knowledge we could benefit from. Last time I checked the unemployment rate is quite high so let those lazy bums fill those roles.

>>5290878
>But I realized that the world wasn't first world suburbia.
>implying I live in such place

>>5290880
So you live in a black majority neighborhood and you haven't been able to put two and two together yet?

Wow, you must have problems with pattern recognition or something.

>>5290879
There are other factors to consider, humans aren't so utilitarian. Racial diversity leads to racial conflict, it's best to maintain a high degree of homogeneity in light of this.

op is a fanof yukio mishima too?
>opens cgl
>sees yukio mishima
>wait what?

>>5290872
So letting immigration happen is the same as turning Japan into a ghetto?
I'm not saying they should let everyone in, but there are many people here on work visas (sponsored by companies) to teach English, and some are here to stay, even if they don't get citizenship. Many are simply getting married, and get their permanent residency visa after some years. They're going to stay here as well.
I'm not saying they should unqualified workers into the country (though they do it all the time, so many false marriages...), but there will be more foreigners in the country and not all of the effects are horrible.
Yes, they are very hard on foreigners who commit crimes, and I think that's their right. Don't do stupid shit and you won't have to leave the country.

(I know you were talking about mass immigration, and no, that's not going to happen. You just sound like you want them to stop all immigration and isolate themselves to retain their omg original Japanese identity.)

>>5290883
>So letting immigration happen is the same as turning Japan into a ghetto?

Yes. If you let hundreds of thousands/millions of black people into your countries, they will recreate third world conditions in the areas in which they settle in sufficient numbers. Simple as that.

>Yes, they are very hard on foreigners who commit crimes, and I think that's their right. Don't do stupid shit and you won't have to leave the country.

You know the EU recently blocked Britain deporting Somalian rapists back to Somalia because they said it would place them in danger?

We over here are completely hamstrung in how we deal with this kind of thing, because we have ceded so much of our autonomy to crazy leftists.

>You just sound like you want them to stop all immigration

No, I have no problem with limited immigration.

>>5290882
Yeah, only read Thirst for Love though. I admire him more for his Nationalism than anything else. He's a really tragic figure.

>>You know the EU recently blocked Britain deporting Somalian rapists back to Somalia because they said it would place them in danger?
>>We over here are completely hamstrung in how we deal with this kind of thing, because we have ceded so much of our autonomy to crazy leftists.
>>No, I have no problem with limited immigration.

Rabid Daily Mail reader alert. Have fun circle-jerking with rednecks :)

>>5290887
You don't understand how the acquis communitaire works I'm afraid. Defense lawyers for these people can ask for the case to be referred to the ECJ. If the ECJ believes there is sufficient risk in their home country to grant them indefinite leave in an EU member state, then they can do so. That's what happened in this case. The problem is that virtually all asylum claims are bogus, East Asian countries realize this, which is why they reject all of them.

Have fun being ignorant of the law though. You're just echoing the status quo, you're not standing up to anything.

>>5290888
so do you like, actually live in Japan or are you just pretending you know what's going on there without actually being there.

>>5290892
So wait, I actually have to live in Japan to have a general overview of how their immigration policy works and is enforced compared to other nations?

Why do you keep on making an idiot out of yourself like this?

>>5290881

>There are other factors to consider, humans aren't so utilitarian. Racial diversity leads to racial conflict, it's best to maintain a high degree of homogeneity in light of this

And why wouldn't a relatively high degree of homogeneity be maintained with what I just "proposed"? What usually causes a high degree of multiculturalism is the mass import of low-cost individuals for the purpose of doing very cheap and unskilled who then settle in with their families. Once those families are settles, they'll often also invite distant relatives and family friends who then in turn eventually settle in and the cycle starts anew.

If you only bring in the intellectually and skillfully "rich" and their direct relatives (spouse and children) and put them in an environment where they have to assimilate into the society if they wish to succeed, there will be no concentrations of foreign people in urban settings with a below average income and intellect and thus very little to no racial/cultural conflicts.

>>5290895
You're quite right. Nothing to disagree with here.

This is sort of interesting though:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/imm_new_cit-immigration-new-citizenships

Proportional to population, Japan doesn't seem to award citizenship out very liberally.

>>5290866
>I'm very happy with my mixed race boyfriend so it will never work on me though.
http://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=24876807

That's you isn't it? It's always the trashy white woman and the black boyfriend.

>>5290885
you know he was gay right?
he's absolutely one of my favorite people that ever lived.

>>5290898
>you know he was gay right?

Of course. But he wasn't an ostentatious fag, he was a badass, like the Sacred Band of Thebes or something like that.

Work immigration is okay to everywhere, but I think all else is shit. Here they ship somalians like crazy, I hate those monkeys. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate decent black people, but nothing good can come from country that still have real pirates and civil war. It's all fucked up, those fucked up muslims should not be allowed to come here.

>>5290888
Source please? I googled this and the only reference to anything like this particular case are far right websites, which is telling. Not saying it didn't happen, there are major fuck ups that people like you love to use to tar the concept of asylum in general.

I know about the ECJ and I'm glad it exists, seen as we're in a country that currently thinks it's ok to rip kids from families in the middle of the night and imprison them in places that have such poor conditions prisoners have been on hunger strike. All because they're one of 'those people'

>>The problem is that virtually all asylum claims are bogus, East Asian countries realize this, which is why they reject all of them.

See, this is the problem with trying to pose as an intellectual when you're a far-right shithead. You don't get to make sweeping statements like the above without well researched, independent proof. Sorry. But carry on, keyboard warrior, like I said, there's plenty of ignoramuses to play with on this board, it'll help boost your obviously low self esteem.

>>5290896

For good reasons, too. To acquire Japanese citizenship you need to meet a list of fairly strict requirements.

And that in turn resulted in that citizenship was usually awarded to either Eastern-Asians (Chinese and Koreans) Europeans and Americans whom not only brought expertise and knowledge with them thus making them a useful addition to the Japanese people, but also had already assimilated into their society.

Okay. After reading this thread, I have a question.

So Japanese immigration laws are very strict. Once I get out of college and have a degree in education, I was hoping to participate in the JET Programme and, for a year or so, become an English teacher in Japan. However, if I really enjoyed the job but the work visa was expired, would there be a way to continue working as a teacher, or would I have to absolutely leave the country?

Lol captcha: population: ssafting

>>5290902
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/asylum/outcomes/successfulapplications/leavetoremain/

>I know about the ECJ and I'm glad it exists

Of course, you've been conditioned to associate the term 'human rights' with something positive. It's a pavlovian stimulus response brainwashing.

"Human rights" is an industry. It makes a lot of money for a lot of very rich lawyers and legal firms. Simple as that.

>currently thinks it's ok to rip kids from families in the middle of the night and imprison them in places that have such poor conditions prisoners have been on hunger strike. All because they're one of 'those people'

You mean illegal immigrants?

Why do you think White Europeans should be ok with becoming minorities in their own homelands?

>See, this is the problem with trying to pose as an intellectual when you're a far-right shithead.
>You can only be an intellectual if you're left-liberal

Welp, guess that rules out virtually all thinkers prior to the mid 20th century. Even enlightenment thinkers like Voltaire were racially orientated to some degree.

>>5290906
>You don't get to make sweeping statements like the above without well researched, independent proof.

See this article from the LA Times:

>The latest Japanese figures, released in March, highlighted the dour picture. The number of refugees allowed in dropped by nearly half last year to just 14 people from 250 applicants, an acceptance rate of 5.6%.

>In 2001, the United States took in 34.5% of 59,432 applicants, while Canada sheltered 30.3% of 44,038. Britain accepted 15.7% of 92,000, and Germany took in 19.9% of 88,287.

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/may/18/news/adfg-reject18

Japanese immigration laws and naturalization rules are far stricter than those of Western Nations. End of discussion.

>>5290903
Yes. I remember reading a list of the requirements once, it's really strict stuff. And they actually bother to enforce it too, no such thing as 'amnesty' would ever exist in Japan I don't think.

>>5290905
It's very hard for unskilled foreigners to land jobs in Japan like full time, non-language based teachers. They already have high quality educators of their own. Getting onto the JET program is fairly easy though.

>>5290897
I'm korean and I don't have a son.

>>5290905

How a work visa very basically works in Japan is that as long as an employer is willing to sign you a document where he says he will guarantee you work and is confident you won't cause any problems, you can simply request a new work visa (or an extension thereof) which usually will be granted.

So as long as you can find a place to continue teaching at/for and have an employer willing to sign that document you can continue to work there.

>>5290906
>>5290907
Here's something more recent too:

http://sites.google.com/site/petelee23/articles/migration/japan---refugee-policy

>Of course, you've been conditioned to associate the term 'human rights' with something positive. It's a pavlovian stimulus response brainwashing.
Oh boy, you just wish to be the next genocidal dictator, dontcha?

>>5290917
Again. Just because I don't agree with retarded concepts like ius soli, that does not mean I'm genocidal. You're the genocidal one since you seem so committed to reducing white people to a minority on every single white majority nation on Earth.

>>5290900
yeah, i was saying it because most far-rightists seem to have a problem with that. The Nazis didn't seem to have a problem with that, so idk why. I'm still wishing for a world of enlightened intellectual homosexuals, no problems with "cultural diversity" then.

You should watch his movie "Patriotism". Also suggesting Confessions of a Mask and The Golden Pavilion, imho his best works

>>5290920
Yeah, I think homosexuality is so historically perennial, there's no point in trying to "wipe it out" like some people think. But ostentatious displays of sexuality tend to be undesirable. There are/were plenty of talented homosexuals who are or have been historically sympathetic towards radical right views, so I don't really have a problem with them.

>You should watch his movie "Patriotism". Also suggesting Confessions of a Mask and The Golden Pavilion, imho his best works

Will do, thanks.

>>5290799
What? There's like 130 million of them, they're not going to be extinct if the birth rate drops a little. If something it only helps the overpopulation problem.

I'm actually really jealous of the Japanese's national pride since my country has a very frail identity that was just barely destroyed by the crusaders and other assholes. Although my country's been independent for a hundred years we still had to rely on the soviet union for decades, which formed a very strong school of thought that in fact our culture wasn't worth preserving or to be cherished.

This thought exists to this day and being patriotic even in healthy doses is considered shameful and ridiculous. That's why we've pretty much opened our borders to the immigrants - not the good, working and adaptable kind either, but the refugees from northern extremist-Islamist Africa that don't respect our culture the slightest. Because of them we've had to give up some of the few traditions we still have left, just to be sure they won't be *offended*. At the same time the welfare office gives them a nice place to stay and money to spend, there are hundreds of native families suffering of acute poverty or even homelessness since the living costs are skyrocketing all the time here. Disagreeing with these policies or criticizing immediately brands you as a racist and a xenophobe. At the same time people who actually want to move to our country to work have to go through years of horrible paperwork and still get rejected due to some small detail in the law.

It's just really sad to see the tiny bits of my culture we had left to be sold away.

>>5290929
What country are you from? You say Crusaders destroyed your country, all I can think about in regards to that is the Fourth Crusade and the sack of Constantinople. So modern Greece? But modern Greece gained independence in 1829, so well over a hundred years ago.

The bullshit you were called out on was not that the immigration rates in Japan are low and that its laws are strict. It was your claim that 'virtually all asylum claims are bogus'. You were focusing on the second part of what was called into question, not the first.

>See, this is the problem with trying to pose as an intellectual when you're a far-right shithead.
>You can only be an intellectual if you're left-liberal

Much as I disagree with the original anon's sentiment, that is a very obvious inversion fallacy.

>>5290930
What?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades

>>5290931
>Cross dozens of countries on your way to supposed 'safety'

This is why asylum claims are bogus. Unless you believe the Ugandan security services have operatives everywhere or whatever.

>Much as I disagree with the original anon's sentiment, that is a very obvious inversion fallacy.

That anon implied that holding my political positions was incongruent with beng an intellectual. I don't claim to be an intellectual, but there are many people who hold similar views to mine who -are-. Further to that point, my positions are hardly exceptional macrohistorically speaking, seeing as they're what most educated people believed in prior to WW2, and virtually everyone on earth believed in prior to the French Revolution.

My point was that she's basically indirectly claiming huge swathes of academics and thinkers prior to her limited time horizon (probably beginning in the 1960s) were not "intellectuals" on account of the fact they held views herself and the present day paradigm considers them to be verboten.

>>5290933
Ah right. The old Northern Crusades. Not a very pleasant business I suppose.

sage

>>5290935
That's not a good reason asylum claims are bogus. Issues of border access and indeed safety come into effect. Your sentiment may be correct in many cases but without an academic study supporting your claims about the majority being bogus it should be discounted.

The anon claimed that you can't be an intellectual and a 'far-right shithead'. This does not preclude being an intellectual and right-wing, centre-right, centrist or anything else between you and where you stated was claimed, ie left-liberal. Indeed, it can be inferred you can be an intellectual and a far-right individual who is not a 'shithead'. Either way, you were drawing conclusions from what they said that their words did not support.