I've had way more positive experienced than negative. Old ladies really love it :3

That video made me smile.

>>5234245
That's because even the tweens look like sluts now. It's nice to see nicer clothing.

>>5234089
>get yelled at in public for wearing Lolita

wat.

>An outfit is $150-600
She means like, a dress, right? Because my least expensive all brand outfit is like $700

>>5234287
You could get an all brand outfit for less if it was all 2nd hand. Besides shoes.

This video... is gold.

>>5234321

Not all people likes to buy used clothes

>>5234321
Sure you can, if you get it all second hand and none of it is a popular print or item. But that's not what she said. She said an entire outfit is going to be within that price range? No. It's really not. That's why I'm confused.

>>5234321
Hold up, no. This is not possible. Show me how to get an entire brand outfit minus SHOES that is under $150.

I'd like to see something like this on TV. I like how it's more a documentary and not one of those features that'd be like, "Look at these strange girls! What are they thinking??"

mix and match between bodyline, secondhand brand and off brand.. can be done

>>5234356
She didn't say off brand. Also show me, I still don't believe it. Even if everything was $20 you're pushing it.

Protip a dress and a bow don't make an outfit.

... a bit offtopic but...
Am I the only loli that NEVER EVER feels identified with such videos?
I don't like OMG OTT FRILLY shit and I don't like those garden tea parties. I prefer going to have pizza and then to play some videogames.
And no my room doesn't look like theirs neither.
TLTR Am I the only non sassy lolita out there?

>>5234369
Nah you're just a legit person instead of someone who uses Lolita as a reason to be interesting. It's clothes, nothing more. But bitches love to pretend it's a life style, a club, something to make them ~belong~. I mean they talked about that in this video.

There's a reason people don't respect Lolita as anything more than a phase, and it's because they act like it's a religion.

From an outsider's standpoint, I'm not entirely sure why lolitas are always getting called 'sluts'. Is it because people think its a fetish?

>>5234369
No one cares. They're not going to make a separate video for every snowflake out there. The point is just to show the fashion and give some insight on it.

>>5234369
Director here. :P I was going to include more, but I had a time limit. Tbh brisbane lolitas favourite past time is drinking at happy hour and karaoke at a cheapo student/alternative bar, but I didn't have the time to justify the context etc etc.

As much as I love victorian pretties and high tea, I also go to progressive metal concerts a lot, drink, and I used to be a gamer but not much these days.

>>5234378

Wew. Thank you.
Cause ALL lolita videos I've seen around are similar to this one and I was starting to freak out. I think lolita is just fashion, and I like to mix it with more toned down items of clothing. It's fun. I would never wear head to toe OTT lolita anything to be honest.

>>5234379
Yes. Most people who see a Lolita walking around in Sweet will assume it's age play wear.

>>5234378
>people don't respect Lolita as anything more than a phase, and it's because they act like it's a religion.
Because religions are often phases?

Just curious, where are these girls from?

>>5234368
If you Y!J/Mbok'd everything and wanted brand, you could get
Non-print/common print dress - Under 10,000yen
Blouse - Under 10,000 yen
Headbow - Under 5000 yen
Bag - Under 5000 yen
Socks - Under 5000 yen

Taking for granted that you'd already have offbrand shoes, petticoats, bloomers, and some accessories (unless you were the type who wanted all-brand, print match accessories).

>>5234396
Australia

>>5234386
Oh well then you're just might be an ita. There's a few types who don't relate to the "pretty princess" theme, and that's level headed people who realize it's a fashion- usually people who are into their mid twenties and have been doing it for years, ita's trying to say they're Lolita when they aren't at all, or girls who aren't really into it and do ~casual~ Lolita which is so casual it's not even Lolita anymore

>>5234398
>still well over $200
>after shipping even more
>saying not to count other stuff because you own it all ready

Yeah no.

>>5234401
Aussies are starting to sound Murrikan.

>>5234378
Agreed. I wish that these lolita documentaries will show different perspectives ranging from lifestylers to people who just view it as clothes. I like my share of tea parties too but if I had to choose between tea or hot dogs, I'd choose hot dogs.

>>5234413
One of the girls is El salvadorean so she has that accent.

>>5234403

Excuse me sir, how am I an ita if I like to wear the fashion toned down? does one need to be OTT to avoid being an ita?

>>5234416
I don't think general populace would be interested in seeing that, hence why all the TV spots/interviews show it as "look as these weird girls!" and not like "these are normal people who on the weekends like to wear dresses"

>>5234423
Did you even read my whole post? I listed 3 types, why you choose to identify with ita is more on you than it is on me.

Also, Lolita is an OTT fashion. There is no toned down form of it. What makes Lolita is the shape of the skirt, and god help me if you claim petticoats are "toned down".

>>5234344
Buy Meta Lucky Pack.
Wear it.

A skirt pack can be around $15o

aside from that, used.

>>5234432

I did, but ita sounds to me more like pic related.

>>5234432
I wear pretty toned down lolita. Heaps of IW dresses, worn with minimal accessories, look like normal vintage-inspired/retro fashions.

>>5234432

Also by toned down I mean something like this

>>5234438
What about petticoats, purse, shoes, what if the whole lucky pack doesn't go together?

>>5234432
>Lolita is an OTT fashion
It's a noticeable fashion, not always OTT.

>>5234448
That isn't Lolita, it's Lolita inspired. And even if you don't dress ita you talk like one.

>>5234446
That's a lovely dress.

>>5234428
Probably true but I'd like these documentaries to give different perspectives rather than the rehash of the usual "This is what lolita is. Blahblah." Even if that's not interesting, it would be a more accurate portrayal of lolita by showing different people or at least acknowledging in the documentary that not everyone is into the "dress like a doll and act like one" or something in that vein. I wish more people would emphasize that it's just clothes and that it's only some people who take it to the next level of life style.

>>5234452
OTT means over the top, to most people it is an over the top fashion no matter what substyle you wear.

>>5234448
Casual lolita usually isn't lolita. It's just using lolita clothes in casual wear. That's a cute outfit, but it passes as regular people clothes that blend in with society.

>>5234465

... uh. nope.

>>5234468
Uh yes. Lolita brand =/= auto Lolita outfit. Milk isn't even a Lolita brand.

>>5234471

Welp. Whatever you say.

>>5234378
Every alternative fashion comes with a culture. For example there is the punk, goth, visual kei, etc. fashions. All of them are just clothes/styles you can wear. But they all have a general culture attached to them, and so does lolita whether you participate in it or not. So the documentary is capturing the majority rather than the exception.

>>5234479
>Thinks the fashion is what the culture is based off of
It's the music. Goth, Punk, Indie, etc music has a subcluture, which includes literature, art, etc. Lolita has no music, therefore no culture.
Clothes and clothes get over it.

>>5234417
No, you can tell there is a slight shift towards the the accent with all of them.

>>5234488
You don't need music to have a subculture anon. Maybe in places outside of Japan there isn't much about lolita besides the clothes because its all in japanese. But there is a lot of literature and art associated with it.

I just want to say, I wore a dress, a normal dress, to high school once in suburban Wisconsin, and got water bottles and trash thrown at me, and made fun of and stuff. Even recieved a facebook message degrading me rather harshly.

But I also got a lot of affection from my teachers and an otherwise straight niggerish guy came up to me and was like "This my GIRL this my GIRL straight lady gaga looking ass, she's straight pimp!"

It all depends on your... social setting.

>>5234488
Apparently music is all that constitutes culture. So obviously lolita doesn't have any.

Aside from Manabanana's band.
Whatsherface with the Cello.
Blah blah Sumire
The Dresden Dolls
Emilie autumn
And classical music.

Nope. Not at all.

Don't worry, anon. I support your culture. Your bacterial culture.

I knew it was xelyna in the cap by the Awoi posters, I feel sad and stalkery.

>>5234516

I don't know why but this reaction is not uncommon to get for a woman wearing a very normal dress, even here in Chicago. My sister and I like to put together well styled outfits- nothing over the top or revealing or anything, but we get whistled at and shouted at regularly when we dress up.

I DON'T FUCKING GET IT

>>5234556

It's because you and your sis are attractive.

>>5234379

I'm not entirely sure why either. it seems counter intuitive.

>>5234568

by popular opinion, yes, but this is clearly happening to other women too.

and in normal dresses? like to the knee, not tight and with one's hair and makeup done? What makes anyone think that hootin' and hollerin' at a woman like that is going to get you anywhere?

D: whyyyyyy

>>5234575

In their minds, they are giving you compliments. In your minds, they are pig disgusting.

>>5234516
Wait, Lady Gaga shit? So this was or was not a lolita dress? I'm confused...

>>5234494
I think it's because we don't sound like stereotypical bogan (white trash) crocodile dundee australians? :| American accents are usually put-on when saying certain phrases or retelling stories imo but they sound normal to me...

Is it me or does wearing Lolita make you look just fat in general? Even the slim girls. There's so much frill, hair and accessories that it makes you look cumbersome and dumpy

>>5234588
No, normal dress, very very normal dress. Modest, full length, navy and white swirl.

This was -called- lady gaga shit, by niggerish gent A.

A normal dress is lady gaga shit, apparently.

>>5234610
I guess. ;)

I've had plenty of negative attention in non-lolita like hollering and stuff being thrown. Shouting etc is not fun it genuinely makes me jump out of my damn skin.

But so far I've had nothing but positive attention from wearing Lolita which is pretty nice. So on the whole at least where I am Lolita gets me less hated ha ha

Any way pretty good little documentary.

I find it amazing that people throw stuff at those wearing nice looking dresses. No offence, but do you live in a town with a lot of "colored" folk?

I have never had negative attention when wearing lolita, but that might just be because I keep my headgear toned down and my petticoat low-poof.

As for people yelling and throwing things while they wear lolita - unless they're in the sort of neighbourhood where targeting anyone different is a common thing, I've never seen this happen. In the kind of neighbourhoods around where I live, even if I don't wear lolita I'd still get yelled at for not being white :/

The worst I had was a group of teenage girls walked by me and one was like 'OMG WAT IS SHE WEARING LOLOL".
But she didn't think I heard her, and she freaked out when I turned around and gave her a death stare.
And this was in Manhattan, so not so bad considering.

>>5234636

this reminds me of a funny experience I had once; I'd nearly forgotten, it was so minor but still funny.

I was walking behind a couple of guys and I overheard them commenting on how attractive the woman walking in front of us was. I quickly gained on them because I'm a fast walker, and I had to pass them. They were really quiet for a second, and then I heard one say "She looks like Alice in Wonderland!"

it wasn't negative which was cool, but it made me chuckle.

>>5234628
Funny how you say that, because I get nasty comments and looks for not being white in a predominantly white neighbourhood.

>>5234665
not related at all but
I see those pictures quite often on cgl, I know they come from the "fashion show" at japan expo and always wonder if you girls find them tasteful or horrible. I'm not a lolita so forgive my question if it sounds stupid.

>>5234693
Normal people find that all these fashion shows are filled with freaks.

>>5234516
>>5234556
it's because men are alyways horny, and always out to "claim" a girl by degrading her. I YELLED SOMETHING NOW YOU HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO ME! THIS IS WHAT SEX FEELS LIKE!

>>5234700
well considering it's "japanese themed fashion shows" it's filled with mainly amateurs and off-brand, so it does not look as freaky as in your picture!

I once had a pizza thrown at me =[

I've had stuff thrown at my for getting good grades, so the shit I get when I wear my clothes seems pretty low-key in comparison.

I've found it to be key to cause a huge fucking scene. People, especially those acting out, don't seem to like being called out in public. When they get defensive and go on about 'hey it's not a big deal shut up,' I get louder. I feed upon their growing awkwardness like a bejeweled brood mother until it drives them to retreat.

A lot of the time, it you just start walking towards them, they run the fuck away like scared little babies.

>A lot of the time, it you just start walking towards them, they run the fuck away like scared little babies.

THIS so much

Am I the only one who feels that some of these girls acted "extra happy" just for the camera? I can't help but feel like they're empty inside...lol I'm such a cynic.

I love that one girl's wigs though, the one who was talking about attending uni and showing her bf her without her wig and her bf was all "WHUT"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2lNudQtono

>>5235147
that just seems like the girls are OBSESSED with japan.. no real info just plain " these girls are obsessed with japan arent they crazy ?"

Maybe she uses patterns and sews her own clothes, or at least some of it? You could easily sew an outfit for 150 with good material...

>>5235333

Not only could she have used patterns and sewn her own clothes (She did live in Japan for 4 years, she could have had access to magazines and such that most of us don't.) it was most likely a lot cheaper to buy lolita there then we buy it overseas. I mean, you have brand, but think of all the tiny little side shops that stock all sorts of clothing that most wouldn't ever know about unless ya' went to japan. So, she could've just stocked up on cheap lolita clothing over in japan and just took good care of it.

>>5234556
I Don't get this either! I used to dress well all the time till I moved to the Chicago loop for school and had to walk around a lot. I felt so uncomfortable when people yelled things at me from their cars that I pretty much stopped wearing skirts entirely

>>5235122
it's from Gabalnara.

>>5234369
I listen to hardstyle and dubstep (yes they're different) and play League of Legends and Borderlands with my fiancee. You're not alone <3

>>5235444
Moonspeak everywhere!

>>5235455
._. I don't understand the need for everyone to feel like they're a minority in the Lolita community. Maybe it's because my local group is bigger and they have many varied interests outside Lolita? I haven't meet a lifestyler yet. Everyone I do know just appreciates it as a fashion, nothing more.

Why the fuck is dubstep so trendy now? Shittiest sounds I've heard in years. I swear everyone under 20 loves it just because all their friends say it's cool :/ and no, it doesn't make you edgy or unique, everyone listens to the shit. Oh and hardstyle is barely any better of a band wagon to jump on either :/

>>5235701
Agreed. Keep that shit in Europe. I don't wanna hear it.

>>5235705
It also pisses me off that the shit that they call "hip hop" these days is nothing but dance tracks with shitty ghetto lyrics over dubbed onto it. Rhianna feat. David guetta? I'm pretty sure David guetta made that track(like the whole thing) and then rhianna sang through her nose in the studio for 15 minutes. Now all of a sudden its rianna featuring David guetta? Get real

>>5235684
No, you're right. No lolita is a lolita and nothing else; that's stupid and an old assumption. As another person said, people don't want to see "look at these girls who dress weirdly on the weekends".

>>5235455

>>5235684
Need to feel?

All of the lolita in my community are either ita as fuck or complete delusional EVERYTHING IS KAWAII AND I AM A HIME DESU. I spend meet-ups on my psp because everyone thinks I'm weird. I still go though... I want a rori friend ;~;

>>5235722
I'm definitely not a hardass. I eat pretzel m&m's compulsively and cry a lot.

>>5235723
Oh wow, that blows. I'm part of the Los Angeles community and because it's so big, I have the opportunity to be more selective with my friends there. I haven't met a lifestyler, but I have met some obnoxious weebs and know about the drama llamas. I just tend to stay away. The girls I know like to go clubbing and have road trips. It's not about anime, brands, or Japan 24/7. It's just one component of many interests.

I'm new to the Brisbane community, but I do know some of the girls personally (friends and friends of friends, etc) and I can tell you they're chill as fuck and very nice girls. They're fun and laid back about the idea of doing things other than eating. They also don't seem to just talk about Lolita and Japan all the fucking time (much like my last comm).

I hope I can get more involved with the other Brisbane Lolitas.. and be liked.. ;__;

>>5235848
You should bring pickles.

>>5235455
>casual as hell titles
What's your point?

>>5235848
Skeeeeeeetch

I really liked that. I wish I could find a group of girls like that where I live.

And I would have thrown the pickle back. lol

This doco makes me smile.

I think xelnya(?) was exaggerating a bit with the whole "wearing lolita is perfectly fine and dandy in Japan but Australians be so mean". Lolita is very stigmatized in Japan and is associated with sexual fetishes and self-harming. No one in their right mind would show up to work in it although that may be acceptable in foreign countries. I hate when people pull a pixyteri with their weeaboo dreams of being "accepted for who they are" etc. etc. Just because Japanese people won't tell you outright that you look retarded doesn't mean they won't judge you and talk shit about you later.

This is really good, thanks for posting. I wish there were more, actually. I'm not into lolita myself, but I'd love to hear why others are and how it influences their daily lives and such. I'm sure there are lots more stories to be told.

>>5235906
Though I believe you are mostly correct, I have to add in that as an English teacher, I've shown up to work wearing some pretty cutsey shit only to have the mothers bringing their kids in exclaim in delight. Something about me in a plaid skirt with a (very) light petti underneath and a matching scarf tied in a bow around my neck just did it for them. So well of course you would not want to wear full lolita in Japan, you can be significantly more cute than you can in, say, the US, without backlash. At least in my job, you can.

Then again, I'm cute and look young. Perhaps that's why it was ok. Who knows. Japan is just odd sometimes.

>>5235918
Japan's standards of attractiveness tend to fall towards the "cute" side rather than "sexy" so a lot of their fashion does look cute. However, it's also very "the nail that stands out must be hammered down" so fashions that really stand out, ie. lolita, isn't as accepted.

>>5235906
I think she meant that people don't bother you while you wear it there, because they know what it is. No one will come up and try touching you and asking if you're going to a party. If they hate it, they'll still just let you be because the Japanese are pretty non-confrontational.

>>5235906
Australia is full of bogans (similar to rednecks) that will bash you for looking at them the wrong way. All the tales of violence that lolitas spoke of happened in Brisbane, not in Japan. Scared to wear lolita in Australia compared to Japan? FAIR ENOUGH. SRSLY.

I enjoyed this.

>>5234287
if you but a brand dress and then buy everything else offbrand, thrift it or make it yourself, it can cost you that much yes

I really loved the documentary but my favorite is still the Hors Serie episode about Lolita that aired in Canada.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iN9Hbu2w-I

>>5235701

i hate this thought, I use to be a dubstep hater for the longest time and I found a few artists that i really like and started enjoying it more. There is a lot of new faggots/young scene wastes of life people in the scene but all the music isnt bad. Ive been in the electronica scene for years, dub is the direction its going it. Its a little fuckin gay, I do miss when trance was on top but brining in some new in isn't bad either. But dub overall is the same shit thats why I like it mixed with chiptune.

A friend of mine got a bunch of eggs thrown at her when we were 13 for being a goth girl in a small town.

>>5234392
Phases that some people aren't smart enough to get over, yes. It never fails, the more science and true facts one learns, the less they rely on religion. So yeah, I'd call it a phase.

I have a question, since this is brought up a lot...

Obviously, the people that have a problem with lolita and call people sluts are the ones associating it with an ageplay fetish...

Is there actually anyone that wears it for that? I guess someone out there probably does like it in a fetish-y sort of way, but has anyone been open about it?

"I don't know why people call me a slut, I don't exactly wear revealing clothing."

This is something that confuses me as well, why are people who wear Lolita fashion called sluts? This is probably the least scantily clad fashion I have seen, ever, yet the mainstream public (people who don't even know much about the fashion) think it's slutty.
Does anyone have any intelligent input on this?

>>5234089
wtf seriously? fashion does no restrict personality, period.
Their are probably ageplayers in punk, goth and *gasp* people who wear normal clothing.

>>5236046
Attention-grabbing = slutty?
Strange, possibly fetish related (because everything weird has to do with sex!) in public = slutty?
I don't know, man. I've gotten both "this is sexually unappealing to me as a man so you must stop wearing it" and "you just dress like that for male attention, you slut" from the same people and I'm starting to wonder if they even listen to the things that come out of their mouth. Sometimes it seems that when people are confronted with something they don't understand, like weird clothes, they just throw out the first random insults and accusations they can think of.

>>5236044
I know one lolita who is also an ageplayer, but she actually keeps the two very seperate. She wears mostly IW and TaoBao classic when in lolita, and the ageplay stuff (footie pajamas, if I remember correctly) is restricted to the bedroom. She thinks OTT sweet looks silly and impractical, not sexy at all.
Personally I think that some of the girls who are more into the lifestyle portion of lolita may have some nonsexual ageplay-y tendencies. I'm not talking about the girls who drink tea and listen to Strauss, but the ones who surround themselves with cute, childlike stuff and act a little silly and childish when in lolita. Bonus if they're also into fairy kei. I really doubt it's something sexual for them so I guess it's not really a fetish anymore, but I do think there is something ageplayish about trying to look and act as cutesy and youthful as possible when you're in your mid-twenties.

>>5236046
I think for some muggles it just brings to mind kinky images of sexy bo peeps or what passes for Halloween costumes nowadays, thus slutty-ness?

>>5234488

As a goth, allow me to have my input on this. Goth and Punk subcultures started out with music and the fashion, stereotypes, ext all evolved from it. General people who liked "goth" music found other things they had in common, be it literature, black clothing and so on. Thus how the Gothic subculture was born. Punk was born in a similar way.

When punk and goth reached Japan, there was a general rebel movement which put a spin on it from which lolita was born. The difference between the evolution of lolita and let's say, goth, is that lolita STARTED as a fashion, and then started to have "accessories" such as literature, music, media, ext., born from the commonalities found between different people who wore lolita.

In my opinion, to begin with, lolita was not a culture. However, there ARE some lolita musicians now, there are many musicians whose music is generally listened to by lolitas (at least in my comm) and we have our stereotypes and our defining factors. So, lolita has evolved from merely a fashion into a subculture, at least in my eyes. If not, it's well on it's way.

As for the ageplay fetish people assume we all have... -deep sigh- I have met COUNTLESS people who have assumed because I am a "goth" that I am into BDSM and "kinky" sex. People will always make their judgments based off of what you are wearing. These people don't have the brain cells to think that maybe there is more to you as a person than the clothes you wear or the music you listen to. I'm personally a demi-sexual Christian who is engaged to my boyfriend of 4 years, and I'm starting to question if I am asexual or not.

The point is, haters gonna hate. If they can take clothes made to cover up the body and use it instead to judge the opposite, they probably would do that to anyone.

>>5236046
People who don't know what it is are probably confusing it for some kind of "Sexy maid" Costume.

Man Lolita is so sexy... What I wouldn't do to love a lolita tenderly.

>>5235918
>>5235906

What the woman in the video isn't aware of is Japanese people aren't always wanting their picture taken with her because she's "soooo kawaii desu," but that she looks like a jackass and it's something to laugh over later.

Americans (Amerifag here) aren't really confrontational about OTT fashions, at least not here. My own friends who aren't into lolita might laugh and say, "Nice dress, Alice in Wonderland," and laugh, but that's it. I've never been accosted for loli or any different outfit.

Also to the morons saying that classical music is part of "loli culture," oh yeah, Vivaldi is so loli kawaii. Silly bitches. <_<