I wouldn't even want to go to Japan.

And I don't see how cosplaying in Japan would be any different from cosplaying in Russia. It's just as stupid.

Why does this need to be brought up? Why such a sandy vag?

People look like dumbasses in while cosplaying in their own countries, so I don't see how this should effect what people do when going to Japan...

>>5168453
I already answered, I'm tired of seeing people asking the same question.
This is just a public service announcement

>>5168463
Well, I don't think anyone really gives a fuck. People are going to do what they want regardless of what some random anon on 4chan says. Sorry.

The slightly more relevant question is what japanese COSPLAYERS think about them.

Because regular people anywhere in the world are bound to thatdadface on you.

>>5168489
pretty much this.

though you have to be pretty aspie to cosplay in public at a non convention place.

I'd have the same face if I saw people dressed in bdsm fetish gear walk around town and it wasn't pride parade

I'd find it acceptable if you were taking photos on location while in cosplay. If it was just for the hell of it I'd be all "niggah what the fuck you doing?"

>>5168501
even for that kind of thing you'd still find a fairly remote place, and you would change into the outfit then change out of it. you wouldn't walk around town in it

>>5168493
>>5168501
>>5168507
>though you have to be pretty aspie to cosplay in public

I've seen westerners dressed up in cosplay all around tokyo on any day of the week

>>5168527
Well, you know. Westerners in Japan.

>>5168527
as I said. you have to be pretty aspie

to do it anywhere in public and not at a convention or a secluded photoshoot

>Please be aware that cosplay and masquerading have yet to be widely accepted in mainstream Japanese society. Do not come to or leave the Comiket wearing a costume.

I guess when in Rome, do as Romans do, and there won't be a problem.

And I don't think Japanese cosplayers will ever let you know what they actually think of a cosplaying Westerner even if they find that mere fact disgusting. Taking into account that even if you talk in broken, noobish japanese, they'd praise you to no end, for example, I don't think much of their sincerity.

I found this as an example of what could happen if you follow the rules: http://napkins.livejournal.com/211204.html

>>5168443
i live in japan, and you're wrong. everyone who cosplays, no matter the race, looks like a dumbass (to people who don't cosplay).
it has nothing to do with being white/black.

>Daughter, I am dissapoint

>>5168642
I think we all agree with that. The interesting point here is what does the japanese fandom think about people from other nationalities cosplaying in their country.

>>5168646
She sould introduce me as a BF then he'd know disappointment

>>5168648
well japanese people think they are inferior to westerners...i dont know about cosplay but in all other ways. so i doubt they think negatively.

>>5168651
>japanese people think they are inferior to westerners

haha. i bet they havent visited our deteriorating third-world-population cities then.

>>5168651
i think they'd rage if they see japanese characters cosplayed by gaijin

>>5168656
no, they haven't. they think everywhere in america is like hollywood.

>>5168664

LOL, some of you guys honestly, a lot of Japanese obsess over Western culture, and quite a few westerners (in b4 I don't) obsess over Japanese culture.

Flip it around, why's no one think it's creepy to obsess over America, it's singers and movies, permanently wanting to live there, it's essentially the same thing.

It's just common to try to branch out into things your not normally exposed to unless you have some sort of "fuck foreigners" mentality.

Shits really not all that different, just another continent.

TL;DR = Almost everyone world over does the same shit about somewhere else.

>>5168678
Fuck I need to fix my sentence structure.

>>5168664
are you fucking stupid? Peru is one of the main tourist destinies for Japanese people. Does Peru look like Hollywood?

>>5168651
>well japanese people think they are inferior to westerners
lol no. they know they are different but that's it. They see them with curiosity, especially the ones that act like dumbasses (ie: drunk americans)

>>5168697
i do not know a single person here who has been to peru, or has ever mentioned wanting to go to peru. they always say either america or korea when i ask where they want to visit.

>>5168712
you must live either in the ass of the world, or in the ass of the world.

See this? This is what cosplayers look like to everyone else.

>>5168712
on second thought, there are a ton of brazilians who live here, so i imagine they are the majority of the people going to peru from japan.

>>5168713
i live in japan. so yea i guess

>>5168718
no dumbass
in the ass of the world IN japan.
nm i just read you said you live near lots of Brazilians, probably nerima or some shithole outside tokyo (how's the teaching going btw?)

i live right in the middle of tokyo, you know, where people can actually afford trips out of this country

>>5168721
So are you a troll or just a bitch?

>>5168716
Why would Brazilians be going to Peru?

It's all Japanese tourists who go to Machu Picchu, fly over the Nazca lines, avoid the locals like all hell and then go home.

I find it hilarious there's such a thing as Paris Syndrome for Japanese tourists.

>well japanese people think they are inferior to westerners
and westerners think they're inferior to japanese

it is kinda funny

>>5168712
I wouldn't be surprised if there are Japanese tourists in Peru. There are Japanese tourists in every single touristy place I've ever been.

I know lolita gets a bad rep wherever you go (especially in japan). Cosplaying in public for no damn reason, yes is stupid (if your trying to be a *character* no matter how you spin it, its a costume), wearing a street fashion however- it really depends whether or not you give a shit what people you don't know think. Dad face or not I'd wear lolita any wear I go. (I don't plan on going anywhere where what wear would get me killed, before anyone brings that up)

>>5168740
Paris Syndrome?

>>5168651

I've never heard this, always the opposite. The Japanese are very xenophobic.

I actually know a few Japanese cosplayers I met through Cure and they are very curious about cosplay in the West: they're surprised that cosplay has spread through the world, I guess, and not in a negative way. They think westerners look great (we don't all the make up they wear to make their eyes look bigger, etc, no shitty hooker boots to look taller, etc) and are always asking me questions about cons/who am I going to cosplay and ask for my opinion on their costumes. Through them I've also met some girls who don't cosplay but are in the same fandom/pairings as I do: they asked they cosplayer friends to introduce them because, again, they were amazed that a foreigner liked the same things they did, including fanworks (I've never mentioned I buy doujins tho, afaik they don't like that).

It's not the typical 'let's be nice for the sake of being nice'--I think Japanese otaku/cosplayers are just very thrilled to find that foreigners enjoy the same things that make them outcasts, as if that could help them feel better about their hobbies (unless we're talking about the racist, creepy virgins and women haters that usually lurk on 2ch).

Japanese people seem to be in awe of all but the most unattractive Westerners. I remember that I was on that bridge in Harajuku to look at the crazy v-kei and cosplay people, and the older Japanese were stopping US to take a photo of our friend because she had (badly dyed) blonde hair.

>>5168772
It's where Japanese tourists go to Paris and find it's nothing like Amelie but a bit of a shithole and have a mental breakdown because of it.

>>5168778
Spread through the world ha. Started in the comic conventions of the US more like.

>>5168651
>japanese people think they are inferior to westerners
lolwat? Look, there is a reason every single Japanese corporate entity on Earth (or at least a very, very large majority) have a Japanese CEO or GM and that's because they don't trust foreigners to be able to run things better than one of their own. Even when all other positions have been given to locals (who have all been trained in Japan for at least 2 years) the top boss must always be Japanese. They don't feel inferior to anyone.

>>5168808
Actually that sounds like it's symptomatic of classic insecurity.

>>5168764
True. I remember seeing a huge lump of Japanese tourists going through Mont Saint Michel one day. I hate touring groups, let alone being in one. It makes traveling boring and rushed because you're seeing the same damn thing everyone else is seeing and there's little time to explore on ones own - I digress. That being said, I did regret not sticking by my folks at the time because
apparently, there were two lolitas in that group.

>>5168788
Lol. Do the Japanese really think that they invented everything, or are they really that isolated from the world?

i went to cosplay events in japan and won so many awards.. mostly because i was white and could speak japanese. especially when they had the "masquerade" style competitions where you answered questions from the crowed in-character.

keep in mind i didnt live in tokyo, i lived in a smaller city way down in shikoku.

>>5168835

Those masquerade events sounds pretty amusing, any videos on them?

>>5168808
You people misunderstand "japanese cosplayers feel/feel not inferior to western cosplayers" with "japanese people feel/feel not inferior to westerners".

Anon was talking about COSPLAY and NOT about economy or xenophobia etc.

>>5168443

>>5168443
Uh, nice lies. Japanese don' care about how a western person dresses themselves or the hobbies they may have. The only ones that are interested are halfs.

>>5168657
did you take a look at japanese cosplayers without shoop? they look nothing like the characters.

>>5168831
Part of it is that they are isolated from the rest of the world, in a way not unlike many Americans are: their scholastic system focuses more on making them productive members of society, than aware of what goes on in the rest of the world. To give you an idea, a couple of these friends were really surprised to hear that I could eat Japanese food in my country and asked me which types of sushi, noodles, etc were available.

As for cosplay, to be completely fair, not even most westerners know of it's exact origins--I myself have only very vague notions since I've never cared to do some research, as much as I love the hobby. And no matter where it originated from, you can't deny that it is regarded as an important aspect of *Japanese* pop culture, even by non weebs who barely know what cosplay is. What I'm trying to say is that it's no wonder those guys see cosplay as something typically Japanese, especially when you think that they mostly cosplay anime characters: moreover, they're taught that it's not something to be proud of (man you should see how shy even the fujoshi/shippers are when fangirling with their fellow nerds, most of the time); so, when someone who lives in the other side of the world shares their interests and has a very different attitude, it's understandable that they'd be surprised. Of course, everyone is different, but this is the general reaction.

It's not that they do this with arrogance: like I said, those are usually the 2ch lurkers, aka the Japanese counterparts of /a/nons and - especially - /jp/ers. Cosplayers and most female otaku are very friendly and genuinely happy/curious.

>>5168835
how did you feel in japan, i mean, regarding your weight? you're a fatass were you live already, but in japan you must have looked like a blue whale

>>5169913
you best be trolling, nigger. why would a haafu care about what a westerner look, they have enough problem trying to fit themselves in the society

>>5169479
i lol'd

I use to live in Panama, it's sorta shaped like japan. So I know all the feels in this thread.

Only rainforest, and death traps everywhere.

Just GTFO of the US and go to your holy land, then tell me your feels.

>>5171041
>I use to live in Panama, it's sorta shaped like japan. So I know all the feels in this thread.

Shut the fuck up please. Comparing Panama to Japan is the dumbest shit I've heard this week

>>5171051
oh god im crying

butt hurt weeaboos incoming.

>>5171041

>>5171041
Dude, I know you think you're the hot shit, but really you're not that funny, just another obnoxious ass.

Move along, just another troll.

What I really want to know is that why that one Japanese convention (Comiket?) insists on herding cosplayers into a pen where they're only allowed to take photos. Is the convention just super fucking crowded and clogging the hallway more dangerous?

>>5171053
>Comparing a hispanic country to Japan
>Other anon points out that that's stupid
>Call them weeaboo

I see that English isn't your forte either.

>>5171109
thank god a reply.

I'm just amused that someone got mad over such a half assed post.

/cgl/ you are wonderful.
this thread is wonderful
Quiero tacos, todos ellos
>green text to show something important

>>5171127
Yeah yeah, what a big, bad troll.

Honestly, if you're going to post such stupid shit to try to get a rise out of people, don't announce it on G+. It ruins the point, and you weren't even clever.

>>5171148
ill raise your sage a bump.

my post have no intention of anyone reading them, that is why it is so exciting. I just like to see my name.

>>5171161
That reflects more on you than anything else.

Have fun in your mostly empty chats.

>>5171165
Indeed. Another idiot added to filter.

>insult people
>drop trip

cool. /cgl/ dislikes some one for insulting japan. thisisnew.jpg

>>5171041

Who is this Tizzy faggot anyway? A new tripfag I assume?
How can he think hes hot shit if he has lived in Panama? that country sucks arse
He needs to learn that the "lol u weaboo" answer doesn't apply to everything

>>5171182
I've never had a trip. There's no reason for one.

serious fucking business

>>5171041

>>5171109
>What I really want to know is that why that one Japanese convention (Comiket?) insists on herding cosplayers into a pen where they're only allowed to take photos. Is the convention just super fucking crowded and clogging the hallway more dangerous?

afaik, this doesn't happen in this convention only, but it's a standar procedure there. maybe it has to be with the japanese view of cosplay of something less focused on masquerades and interpretation and more on photography. or maybe because it's a great deal to have your photo taken without permission and having all cosplayers in one specific place to take photos of them makes it more difficult.

>>5168697
Different anon here; I just needed to point a fun fact; I dunno if you've been to Peru, but I have and there's tons of japanese people and hapas; it seems there was a big migration at some point? Anyhoo, even one of their presidents, Alberto Fujimori was at least part japanese. So I think that'd explain why they go to Peru so much.

>>5171109
Its more because the rest of Comiket is full of tightly packed rows of tables and booths for selling comics and other products. Not to mention the insane lines the weave through most of it. Having cosplayers walking around and people stopping them for pictures would create traffic issues. It's not like foreign conventions where they are held in big open convention centers with wide halls and lobbies.

>>5170032
Cosplay originated here in the west, at science-fiction conventions as early as the 40s and 50s.
It became huge among Trekkies, Comic book fans, and later Star Wars fans before getting imported to Japan, probably in the 70's-80's.

It's just there's such a big disconnect (or has been until recent years) between anime fandoms and comic/sci-fi fandoms that it seemed to a lot of people that cosplay just came from Japan alltogether.
And a lot the Japanese innovations on it certainly are responsible for what it is today.
I think it's totally understandable that both Western anime fans and Japanese people wouldn't know that cosplay started with sci-fi, I mean, it's still a much bigger deal in anime cons than sci-fi/comicons.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Japanese cosplay mostly stemmed from the rise of the maid fetish paired with alternative fashions in Harajuku.

>>5171661
>It's just there's such a big disconnect (or has been until recent years) between anime fandoms and comic/sci-fi fandoms that it seemed to a lot of people that cosplay just came from Japan alltogether.
>And a lot the Japanese innovations on it certainly are responsible for what it is today.
>I think it's totally understandable that both Western anime fans and Japanese people wouldn't know that cosplay started with sci-fi, I mean, it's still a much bigger deal in anime cons than sci-fi/comicons.
Exactly, that's what I was trying to say, thanks for putting it into words so clearly!

>>5171667
While the Japanese call extreme street fashion "cosplay", no, not really - the rise of dressing up as anime and game characters and the rise or weird street fashion may have happened about the same time, but pretty separately, only later coming together into what looks like the same movement. Weird street fashion was largely influenced by trends in music.

>>5171041
>>5171041
>>5171041
screencap'd for future reference of tizzy's newfagottry and stupidity

What if you're cosplaying at a con though?

I was planning on going to Comiket when I go to Japan and cosplay just cause. Why not?

>>5174935
Its fine if its at a con. You know, where you're supposed to cosplay.

op's statement is sadly wrong.
I've seen worse jap cosplayers here in germany than germans and they admitted that.

As a japanese american, I know that I don't really care about cosplayers even if they are not at a con. honestly, if they have the balls to do it in public unrelated more power to them! My grandpa who is actually a second generation japanese american doesn't give two fucks if someone is running around wearing cosplay stuff. its because he has more important shit to do and think rather than judge someone because of their clothing and I share the same views.

>>5171224
>sage in all fields
Why

Polite sage because wtf am I talking about, this isn't ontopic.

>>5174935
I hope your cosplay has pants, because someone is going to stick a camera up your skirt when you aren't looking.

>>5174935
Just don't wear it out of the convention/go to the con dressed up.
Bring it with you in a bag, change in the designated areas.

>>5174998
Well, obviously. Thems the rules. I doubt there is anyone here who has considered cosplaying in Japan who doesn't know that ..

>>5175003
Pixyteri wouldn't.

>>5174968
>Japanese american

I hope you know you'll never EVER be seen as a real japanese by a japanese that was born/ raised in Japan. Even worse since your grandfather wasn't even born in Japan either

So, your "japanese-american" opinion is worth shit. Good day sir

>>5175003
You would be surprised.

>>5175034
are you from Japan even?
and as far as I'm concerned, I never knew that just because your family immigrated made you any less of your culture.

Also, I have family in Japan but I guess since part of the family moved to America, that makes them less Japanese because you can't be having family moving else where.

>>5175034
im a japanese american who lived in japan for a year on foreign exchange. and everyone there never saw me as less since I was american born.

>>5175138
dont worry, you and your family arnt less because you are american born. the other person is just ignorant.

>>5175142
that they don't say it to your face doesn't mean its not true

>>5175138
I've lived here for many many years, my mate is japanese, everyone surrounding me is japanese. I've asked and I've seen. Most importantly, I've seen.
You'll never be 100% japanese for them. You ditched the country you are worth nothing ( to them).

It is what it is, take it or leave it. Their nationalism is amazing

>>5175182
i lol'd

>>5175192
I meant to say "i've heard" instead of the 2nd "i've seen". so yeah

>>5168766
Maybe if you're a non-japanese lolita yes. But a japanese lolita is ok. I think westerner lolitas look ridiculous to begin with (at least when they come here to Japan), but that's just me.

>>5175142
They were feigning politeness to you as a guest on foreign exchange. If you actually try to live in Japan as a resident, mass shunning occurs.

Holy fuck the Japanese have a special word for a village-wide shunning, can't remember what the fuck it was now.

>>5175182
Complimentary edit.

>>5175338
bwahahahaha

>>5175217

I am incredibly interested in this word.

>>5175372
>>5175217
Is it "gaijin"?

>>5171279
>homer simpson awkward stare.gif
>homer simpson

>>5171279
Uh, bro? That's not Homer Simpson. That's not even almost Homer Simpson.

>>5175388
>>5175385
Must be samefag. And obviously new if you fall for such rudimentary trolling.

I've always found it strange being Asian-American (American born to Laotian parents). When I'm overseas, I'm seen as American, but here, in spite of being born and speaking in fluent English, people often mistake me as a foreigner. It puts me in a bind.

>>5171014
I'm not the person you're replying to, but another thing I notice when I'm overseas (Europe or Asia specifically), I'm usually seen as "big". But when I'm in the States, my 5'5", 120 lbs self is "tiny".

>>5175411
>in spite of being born and speaking in fluent English

whut

Do you mean in spite of being born in the US?

>>5175452

obviously she does.

I am actually curious about the subject, so does anyone have any personal reports or any links to stories about foreigners attending comiket/other cons in japan?

It's not something I'm ever likely to do myself but it fascinates me a lot.

>>5175192
My grandpa is from Japan and let me tell you, he is super racist. Not so much against other japanese people (american born or not) but against everyone else. He usually becomes nice to people if he finds out if someone has japanese blood in them. but I understand when you talk about nationalism.

My grandpa isn't an actual citizen of america but he lived here for a while for business before WWII and then was sent to a camp when America entered he lived there until some other stuff cleared out and he was able to go back to Japan. (dont know the details) He visits every now and then and when he does he gets pissed off at 'all the orientals' who cant drive. lol.

when I went to spend a summer with him in Japan I never got any crap from anyone. but it may be because my grandpa is a highly respected businessman and he could fuck up their lives if they said anything. lol

>cosplay superior western character
>mfw Japs are mad next to me

Not true, a lot of japan cosplays as well..and alot of them aren't good.


Maybe not everybody but alot of Japanese actually appreciate the liking America gives them. Good bussiness.


There was a resent poll about something similar to this thread and the majority said they were cool with it.

This status be trollin.

>>5175747
>>5175747
>>5175747
Probably lol but yeah your grandpa is like the old people I've seen here in Japan.

>>5171661
There is cosplay in Europe since the 20s. Lots and lots of movie characters cosplayed in carnaval events, that's why.