>Cosplay is a costume
>Lolita can actually be an everyday fashion

do photoshoots count OP? Cause if they do, then I'm guilty...

>>5128441
>Lolita is fashion
Oh boy here we go.

>>5128449
> on /cgl/

>>5128441
>implying gluing pieces of candy on your skin and wearing wigs isn't a costume

I want to know, what makes an 'outfit' made based on something in an anime a costume rather than some form of 'fashion'?

>>5128441
What if someone is cosplaying a lolita character from an anime? Is that considered "fashion" or "costume"?

>>5128455
I don't think sweet lolita is something you could wear around daily but there ARE other kinds of lolita that are appropriate for daily wear.

Uh, Lolita is a form of costume and apparently a horrifying lifestyle.

>>5128461
You just said it yourself. It's cosplay.

>>5128454

this picturecalways makes me laugh

>>5128466
And thus proved my point. Wearing lolita is the same as wearing a costume. It is a costume of a different genre.

>>5128455
costume = dressing to look specifically like something/someone else

lolita = dressing in clothes to add to YOU, not pretend to be another person entirely

/thread

>>5128464
But on the other hand, wouldn't some cosplays then be considered appropriate for daily wear? Would it then be passed as fashion? Or as costume?

>>5128479

see

>>5128477

also some cosplay would indeed be fine. It's all a matter of what's considered appropriate for normal life, not whether something is a costume. deco sweet loli wouldn't be approriate in a funeral, for instance, like dressing in casual wouldn't be for a formal dance

but as always what people do and do not consider appropriate is subjective, this some people think lolita is inappropriate for casual and some cosplay appropriate for normal life

>>5128477
So, what if I happen to have the same white button up shirt as a character in an anime? And we both happen to have the same hair? Does that mean I'm cosplaying whenever I put this shirt on? Is it then fashion or costume? Because it specifically looks like the character. But it's a normal button up shirt. . .

>>5128491
then it wouldn't be cosplay. There are millions of people who have blonde hair and brown eyes and like to wear dresses

doesn't make them all Chii cosplayers who forgot the ears

like i said, it's about intent, not what you're wearing

My self esteem is so crushingly low that my costumes don't leave my house. I just create for the fun and go to cons in street clothes.

Oh, and to answer a questio that will likely spring up... lolita CAN be a costume if it's to copy a character or dress up as a lolita, as apposed to wearing the clothes as yourself.

All about intent. If it's a costume to you, it's a costume. If it's not, but rather a choice of clothes and nothing more then it's not.

Lolita is not a costume.

That doesn't mean that you should wear it in an everyday situation.

Mall goths aren't wearing costumes and THEY shouldn't be in public dressed the way they are, either.

Lolita is a fashion, at least it's defined that way in Japan.

>>5128531
Agreeeeee

>>5128537
IN. JAPAN.
You just answered this entire thread.
Not a fashion.
Doesn't deserve it's own board.
Should have lolis pestering about it being separated from cosplay. Shouldn't have Lolis pestering /fa/gs about it.
Stop.
You wear it. you like it.
You should have the common sense to understand when and where it's appropriate to wear it.

>>5128531
Just because you say so?

Nope. People dress how they like and it's not up to you to judge that.

>>5128537
Then when you move to GRORIOUS NIPPON you can wear loli all day errday. Until then, it's a costume.

>>5128531
This. It's like when you see the fashion shows where the models are wearing trash bags and other retarded shit calling it "____ Fashion" Doesn't mean it's NOT fashion. Just means that it definitely doesn't have a place in the everyday.

>>5128545
what does it matter what country it is when it's obviously been taken elsewhere too. With the amount of lolitas on this board there is zero question about it being a fashion in the rest of the world.

fashion = type/style.

It's a type of clothing style worn by some people. That's all. It's a fashion.

Cosplay is not a fashion because it's meant to imatate something else and thus a costume, though it could be considered one, I suppose.

>>5128524
>>5128505
>>5128477
By your logic, Steampunk is not a costume.

I love steampunk and I use extremely toned down parts of it in my daily wardrobe, but I still consider it a costume and I would never wear a steampunk outfit anywhere but a con.

>>5128562
forgot pic

>>5128565
Oh snap. Good point.

>dressing in clothes to add to YOU, not pretend to be another person entirely

Steampunk is people in clothes to add to them. Not pretending to be specific character or people. So does that mean steampunk is acceptable for everyday wear?

>>5128563
You shutup. You're seriously not helping other lolitas make our point. Your logic is flawed and just horribly presented. Please stop posting and let someone who knows what they're talking about make the point.

>>5128588
Would you like to take the reins then and be the one to make the point?

>>5128588
>implying someone with better arguing skills could argue that lolita is not a costume

>>5128600

this:
>>5128588

I'm making my own point

>>5128565
No, that doesn't go against my point at all, since it's still pretending to be something. Still a costume.

On the other hand if you wore clothes that appeared steampunk or wore things befitting steampunk just because you like them, then yeah, not a costume.

Intent.

Acters wear certain outfits for their characters. Those are costumes even if they look normal... because they're not clothes worn to be JUST clothes.

>>5128612
>since it's still pretending to be something. Still a costume.

Are you pretending to be a pretty princess? Or a victorian child? Who are the steampunk people "pretending" to be? As far as I know, they're just themselves in a different style of clothes. Which is EXACTLY how you have described lolita. You are backpedaling hard. . .

>>5128612
Mixed up the first two quotes

Maybe my argument is badly put forward, but I don't see any real flaws in it at all.

>>5128612
>>5128612
>it's still pretending to be something.
Pretending to be WHAT?

I'm not pretending to be anything when I wear steampunk at a con, I just really like it and it's the only place I find it's appropriate to wear it.

>>5128624
Because steampunk is just old fashioned clothes right? I usually see them garbed in suits, dresses, vests, and goggles. How are ANY of these things a costume compared to the poofy lolita dresses?

>>5128624
Perhaps we're thinking of steampunk from different angles. I'm saying that if you're dressing to BE steampunk then it's a costume.

If you're dressing in it just because they're the clothes you like, then it's not.

As with lolita... people who dress up to be a lolita would be donning a costume as opposed to just wearing the clothes they like.

I guess cosplay on Halloween is okayish. One of my friends tooled around school as Juri Han which honestly wouldn't have looked that odd if it wasn't for dat wig. One of her friends threw a bitchfit for not wining the Halloween mixer costume contest as Izaya in his weird pink/white alt costume.

>>5128631
Not a part of this drama and not going to read back, just saw your comment so I'll go ahead and reply

A lot of people see steampunk as a costume because people carry around fake guns and tools and mechanisms and things like that. There's people who wear just the fashion, but then there's also the people with a louder voice who try to play a "character" (like an engineer). I don't think either is bad, but just giving my 2 cents on why some people view it as a costume.

Carry on

>>5128641
>I'm saying that if you're dressing to BE steampunk then it's a costume.

This has convinced me you're just pulling things out of your ass because you don't want to admit lolita is on the same costumey level as steampunk.

>>5128624
Some people role play when they dress in steampunk, they're no longer themselves but take on a different life and persona. This is when it turns into cosplay. But if they still remain themselves, I don't see why they couldn't wear it out; actually I don't care if they did anyway. Doesn't bother me.

>>5128631
My argument is that the definition is less literal than that. Whether something is outlandish looking is not what makes it the costume.

If it's worn as a costume it's a costume. If it's worn as just clothes, it's not a costume.

That's how I see it.

>>5128645
And you're ignoring the fact that I've said numerous times that the same applies to people wearing lolita,.

If you DRESS UP AS a lolita, you're wearing a costume.

If you DRESS UP TO BE STEAMPUNK you're wearing a costume

>>5128643
Yes, halloween is one of those exceptions where it's okay to wear a costume. Hence it's the idea of the whole holiday. . .