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    132 KB Creeper at Youmacon Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)02:16 No.5110461  
    Seagulls, I know most of you aren't jailbait, but if you're going to any conventions with a girl who is, or if you look "barely legal", this is important shit:
    http://cookiedelicious.tumblr.com/post/12060063691/warning-to-anyone-going-to-youmacon-tw)
    TL;DR: There's a known rapist working security at Youmacon; he typically preys on young girls at cons, don't let him get away with raping any more.
    I'm kind of curious- does anyone have more information on this dude? Is he as well-known as the post purports?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)02:44 No.5110494
    old as fuck news and nobody gives a shit
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)02:47 No.5110498
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    wtf i would call the police
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)03:02 No.5110516
    Pix of this guy?

    I know another, his name is TJ, and he wears a Red cosplay he made 4 years ago to almost every con. Idk if he has actually raped anyone else other than 1 girl, but I know that when he was in his mid twenties he was still hitting on 13 year olds. That was 2 years ago now, though.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)03:29 No.5110535
    >>5110516
    And this guy isn't in jail because?

    Same goes for OP. If someone's a sex offender, especially one who prays on children and young teens, they should not be allowed to work a job like that even if they've been convicted and released again.
    Gossiping gets the word out, but you should really just contact the con and/or the authorities about this issue.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)03:34 No.5110538
    Just saw this post on tumblr, I hope nothing crazy happens to anyone involving this person or any guy this weekend. It's pretty sad to see someone try and abuse what little "power" they think they have at anime conventions to prey on young con girls.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)03:41 No.5110542
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    Apparently his name is Thomas "TC" francis Cusak

    Pic is him, Also this guy heads to ACen too, not sure if works security there but let's hope not
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)03:56 No.5110549
    I remember this going on with TC last year.

    First off, the guy is 25, and the girl at the time (as she said in the LJ post) was of "above the age of consent" (she was 18).

    TC hasn't been Security staff in years.

    The "attack" had happened months before Youmacon, as they were friends for a few years.

    The girl didn't want police involved (she "didn't want TC to get in trouble"), and just wanted him to not be allowed to go to Youmacon.

    From what I remember, it seemed as though the girl's actual complaint was more along the lines that the guy wanted to be with other girls, and didn't want to be her boyfriend. It then turned into "HE'S A PEDO!" afterwards.

    :/
    >> LJ POST FROM THE VICTIM Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)04:35 No.5110580
    Post 1b: This guy has raped girls at cons on multiple occasions, and specifically targets young teens, from thirteen to fifteen. He typically wears a Greed cosplay, and has a long brown pedo-ponytail. I hate the idea of him being in a position of power over the congoers, many of which are teenage girls, but there's nothing I can do except hope everyone will be incredibly careful. If you see any such man around any young women, please try to get them away from him. Don't trust this guy any further than you can throw him.

    I've worked security there for the past four/five years, but I don't know how much security I'll be doing this year. I will be around and keeping an eye out, though; unfortunately, it's a very high-stress environment for me, with the threat of running into him again, and with the thousands of people that will be there it's incredibly hard to keep tabs on everything that's going on. Anon just because I don't want my name attached to this.
    >> LJ POST FROM THE VICTIM Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)04:36 No.5110582
    Post 2: To be honest I've been so angry about it lately that that's what I want to do, but he's the kind who emotionally abuses his targets for months before assaulting them, and the type he attacks straight away are carefully chosen, so by the time I even was able to come to terms with the fact that I had been sexually assaulted by him, it was nearly a year later. He's known for making friends with a girl at one con, then giving her time to stew and talking to her on the side for a few months, then meeting up at a following con and doing his dirty work then.

    The point is, I have no proof of my own case, since the majority of his sexual abuse of me happened after I was above the age of consent, and I'm the only one of his victims who's willing to speak out and try to get him locked up, and I don't think I can do it on my own. It'd be my word against his and without help I don't think it's enough. It's been so long that I feel pretty helpless. The system isn't nice to women like me, and I'm 90% sure I'd be accused of consenting and then "changing my mind later" because I regretted it.

    I want to go all out and slander him but I'm scared. I don't want my reputation to be damaged and I don't want to be seen as a crazy bitch, even though I know I could potentially protect other girls. I'm even scared now that one of his other victims will find out that I even made this warning and get upset at me for doing this, despite the fact that I've tried to be very careful about details.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)04:37 No.5110585
    Post 3: There were girls hurt far worse than me, who have more weighing power in the issue. I was made to swear I wouldn't tell anyone after one confessed to me, and another straight up said she wouldn't help me prosecute and implied that myself and another victim were lying about our experience. It's a very shameful, painful experience, and I think a main concern is not having their reputations tainted or letting word get out about what happened to them. It's a pride thing. I understand. I almost never anon on FS and regardless, here I am, because I feel fearful about people looking at me differently, even in a community full of people who are extremely supportive and anti-rape culture.

    My family will support me, but I don't know many others. He had a lot of friends who knew about him and his actions the whole time and let me and his other victims stay around him for two whole years before we found the will to break away on our own, and they never said a word to anyone.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)04:43 No.5110593
    >>5110535
    In Michigan especially unless there is physical or photographic evidence a sexual assault case wont go anywhere. Police wont even really investigate a she said he said case because it can't be proven- unless they're given a damn good reason to, like screen caps of text messages or emails or something.
    >> LJ POST FROM THE VICTIM Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)04:47 No.5110597
    With the utmost respect to you and your feelings...

    He ruined my life. I have lost years of my life to both his abuse, and recovering from it. I've lost my sexual health. I've lost friends, and I've lost my ability to feel safe--ever. I've lost my education, as I have been so depressed and suffering from such severe PTSD that I cannot handle my normal level of schooling. I lost all of my scholarships.

    To be completely and regrettably honest, I do not care if his life gets ruined. He took mine away, and I'm still struggling to salvage what he left behind. He deserves everything he gets.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)04:48 No.5110598
    >>5110549

    Age of consent in Michigan is 16. So even if she was 17 when it started, she was still legal.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)05:07 No.5110617
    >>5110598

    it doesn't matter. This doesn't sound consensual to me, so it wouldn't be legal anyway. The dude is raping people, it doesn't matter how old you are that's horrible and he should be put away.
    >> 4ng31 !!hKQFMnsBtJf 10/29/11(Sat)05:11 No.5110623
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    >>5110617

    Buy into the hype some more? No proof save for some anonymous girl on the internet libeling someone. Literally...no proof save for a single person saying some random bullshit.

    I sure do believe everything "she" (quotations because god knows how many people are involved with this) says. Yup.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)05:12 No.5110624
    TC and the girl dated for a while. She was upset that he left her to date another friend of her's.

    Seriously tahts the whole story. Then we get this all over tumblr.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)05:13 No.5110625
    >>5110617

    From what I went to read on fandom secrets, he met this chick at a con, talked to her for months on end, met up with her at a second con, fucked her with her consent, and then dropped her like a hot potato. That doesn't make him a rapist, it makes him a douchebag. There is a difference. She accusing him of sexual assault because he mind fucked her to convince her to have sex with him. He didn't drug her, he didn't force her. He talked her into it, and now she's angry.

    She's trying to ruin his life because she allowed the experience of being dumped ruin her own life. I don't think his name should be floating all over tumblr accusing him of being a rapist when he's really just a douchebag that's a real smooth talker.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)05:14 No.5110627
    >>5110623

    but why would someone lie about being raped? That's totally fucked up. It ruins any help that could be extended to actual victims.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)05:17 No.5110628
    >>5110625

    dang. I mean that's still sleazy but it is different. If he actually skeezes on young girls that are 13 though that's a problem too. Mind-fuck talking a young teen into sex is just sick. If he gets caught doing that at a con what happens then?
    >> 4ng31 !!hKQFMnsBtJf 10/29/11(Sat)05:17 No.5110630
    >>5110627

    Read >>5110625

    And since there are people here who know about it, dox on the girl starting shit?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)05:18 No.5110632
    >>5110627

    Bitches be crazy, dude. There are a lot of girls who will say they've been raped when they haven't.

    Like for instance, we had a thread a few weeks back about one lolita who was telling her facebook friends that she got raped so they would feel bad for her, in hopes that she could get them to buy her lolita clothes to "cheer her up."

    I'm a girl too, and I know for a fact that bitches are crazy. Girls who have been hurt will resort to any ridiculous accusations that they can come up with to hurt the guys who hurt them emotionally.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)05:29 No.5110640
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    I'll tell you exactly why this bitch did it. She got "heartbroken" after TC fucked her and then her friend. She decided to "get back at him". She didn't want the police called because they would have laughed at her. So instead she takes it to tumblr. Now she has 2000 people ready to bust out the guys teeth AT YOUMACON. She'll probably stalk him the whole time just to see it happen so she feels vindicated.

    In the words of Charlie Sheen, she feels like this is WINNING.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)05:30 No.5110641
    >>5110632

    damn that is some crazy shit. I guess I need to tell my s/o how much I appreciate them more often lol.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)05:34 No.5110646
    >>5110623

    I'm happy that I'm not the only one who doesn't believe her shit. Not one person is calling her out on her bullshit over on livejournal and it's just sad. Everyone is going to assume the guy is a rapist because she said so, even when she admitted that he had her consent.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)05:38 No.5110648
    Regardless if this is false or not, it's still important to be wary of douchebags, especially at a con where some let their emotions run a little high and forget to remember that not everyone there wants to be your friend.

    There's no reason why if this guy (or anyone) approaches you that you feel you have to stay around and talk.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)05:45 No.5110652
    Interesting quotes:
    --------------------------------
    trying to get him banned (why not reporting to police? That's all you wanted so he couldn't hit on other girls?)

    abuses his targets for months before assaulting them

    it was nearly a year later.

    pedo... pedo... pedo... I was above the age of consent

    because I regretted it

    because I regretted it

    because I regretted it
    -------------------------------------
    I really don't get this girl. Seriously, I'm feeling bad for this guy because if he just fucked-her then dumped-her, and this is her revenge-mode, then he's going to be ruined anyway. I could see this sort of shit from some of my ex-girlfriends!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)05:49 No.5110655
    I think the tumblr posts should all keep one thing in mind before they start screaming about how Youmacon is dangerous and this guy is a rapist:

    TC AND THE GIRL DATED FOR A WHILE AND THE SUPPOSED ATTACKS DID NOT EVEN HAPPEN AT YOUMACON.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)05:58 No.5110666
    I really love how easy it is to ruin a guys life. It's brilliant, you have a story, get a few of your friends to spread it around and now with the internet, things like this spread like wildfire, you don't even need solid proof ;)
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)06:15 No.5110670
    >>5110624
    this is the first thing I thought about when I finished reading the tumblr post. Srsly though, the girl sounds like the type of girl that would do something like this just cause she didn't get enough attention from this guy.

    Someone needs to tell this cunt to either tell the police about it or shut the fuck up. Oh wait she can't tell the police cause it didn't happen the way she says it happened
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)06:19 No.5110672
    It seems to me that this girl is regretting fucking that guy so now she calls rape, destroying his reputation.

    That is an amazing weapon women have, yet they are penalized with just a slap on the wrists if their accusations are false, despite having destroyed the man's reputation.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)06:20 No.5110673
    Everyone responding saying either how right she is for posting about it anonymously like she is and slandering his name or how stupid the people are saying she should go to the police are disgusting.

    In the case of an actual rape its possible the girl may get hassled but thats never going to change if every victim stays silent out of fear. It puts slightly more truth to the attitude that those who do report are lying for attention because the actual victims won't stand up for themselves and take a chance.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)06:24 No.5110677
    I wonder what would happen if a male anonymous said that one of the female workers at the con is a rapist who violated him without proof, and told everyone to be careful, yadda, yadda, yadda.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)06:25 No.5110679
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    >>5110580
    >and has a long brown pedo-ponytail.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)06:32 No.5110684
    She's soooooooooo full of shit
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)06:32 No.5110685
    It's the girl's own fault if she gets raped. Stop dressing and acting like a slut. Most rape victims scream rape just because the feel guilt for being sluts after they sleep with someone who's not hot enough.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)06:34 No.5110688
    >>5110582
    >so by the time I even was able to come to terms with the fact that I had been sexually assaulted by him, it was nearly a year later.

    that makes it pretty obvious she is just butthurt he manipulated her.

    did he drug her? no
    was she underage? no

    so what did he do wrong? sure, he may be a manipulative jerk, but not a rapist.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)06:36 No.5110690
    >>5110685
    >It's the girl's own fault if she gets raped. Stop dressing and acting like a slut.
    Not so.

    >Most rape victims scream rape just because the feel guilt for being sluts after they sleep with someone who's not hot enough.
    This is true, though, false rape accusations are estimated to be well over 80%.

    Despite that, most rapists are close persons to the victim: relatives, friends, exes, partners, etc. This 'serial rapist' image that's spreading like the plague, as in 'every man being potentially one' thanks to our dear feminists, is the extreme minority of rapists.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)06:38 No.5110693
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    >I realized I was raped a year later afer I had consensual, sober and adult sex with him
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)06:39 No.5110694
    >>5110627
    Seriously? People lie about getting raped because they can't handle the fact that the world isn't on their side when someone breaks up with them. It's just another, extreme form of exaggerating her break up. Except it's slander/libel, considering there are known people close to the situation who sat there and watched the story evolve from "he broke up with me after having sex," to, "he raaaaped me!"
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)06:42 No.5110696
    You can tell this bitch is lying, by the fact that she's harping on about it, publicly, at every chance she gets, but refuses to get the police involved.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)06:58 No.5110716
    pony pony fagfag pony pony fag fag heohimeoielyoy be gone
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)07:49 No.5110747
    lol my uncle was a sheriff in California and he'd always complain about how much women keep making up rape stories and sending law enforcement on a goose chase that usually ends up being just because she either didn't like the guy, the dude dumped or rejected her, the guy wasn't socially adjusted, she wanted attention, wanted to ruin the guy's life, or general female paranoia that all waste police resources. Granted, sometimes they end up being true but so very rarely and pretty much ALL the time there was solid evidence to back it up. But the most fucked up thing is that even if the guy is found not guilty or innocent, it still fucks up his life in some way just for being accused of sexual assault.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)07:54 No.5110749
    Hate to say it, even if this chick is lying, there will be more people believing her after similar happenings at other conventions, like the one from Katsucon that made the news.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)08:56 No.5110780
    >>5110749
    Yeah, that's the sad part - there are more and more creeps at cons it seems, willing to go after anyone regardless of age, mostly based on their cosplay.

    Basically, good con advice is

    1: Be vigilant of creeps (upskirts, "wanting hugs") all the time
    2: Don't be a fucking creeper yourself
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)09:06 No.5110785
    >>5110780

    Better advice is don't treat cons like massive public orgies and hook-up clubs. Goddamn maladjusted and poorly socialized geeks, turning cons from socially awkward penguin gatherings made up of people with a similar interest into the spoilt and retarded reject baby of Rock'n'roll and Woodstock.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)09:10 No.5110788
    >>5110785
    Pretty much this. Stop going to conventions with the expectation of getting laid.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)09:59 No.5110819
    While I understand certain cases of 'not realizing it was rape til years later' the only genuine ones I know of were in small children. (inb4 pedo, I was one of those cases)
    There's a big difference between a three year old who doesn't know what sex is and a sober adult who consented then regretted it after she go dumped on her fat, psycho ass
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)10:01 No.5110820
    >>5110625
    >fucked her with her consent
    But that's what rape is.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)10:03 No.5110825
    Its really fantastic how all those fucking lemmings are praising how she's saving everyone from the big bad rapist and ganging up on the one person who isn't immediately telling her good job. Because whats more likely to stop him from striking again, going to the police or asking the head of security to ban him?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)10:04 No.5110826
    >>5110820
    Yes. Because "yes" "I'm sober and conseting, let's fuck" and "faster, Thomas!" all mean no. God, why can't guys understand that.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)10:17 No.5110834
    >>5110690
    >Taking obvious zombie-horse troll seriously
    aw, that's so adorable. I remember being 15 too
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)10:49 No.5110849
    didn't even need the back story, as soon as i got about half way through that tumblr i could tell this chick just got burned by this creep and she was embarrassed by the fact that she has no self control after she realized he's a piece of shit. and then going for the pity party at the end of the rant was just icing on the cake.
    >I’ve worked security there for the past four/five years, but I don’t know how much security I’ll be doing this year. I will be around and keeping an eye out, though; unfortunately, it’s a very high-stress environment for me, with the threat of running into him again, and with the thousands of people that will be there it’s incredibly hard to keep tabs on everything that’s going on.

    give me a fucking break. you can't even run "security" on the random dudes you fuck at cons why would you ever think you're qualified to ensure the safety of others
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)10:53 No.5110854
    Paranoia General?

    Paranoia General
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)11:26 No.5110881
    >>5110597
    >He ruined my life. I have lost years of my life to both his abuse, and recovering from it. I've lost my sexual health.
    >I've lost friends, and I've lost my ability to feel safe--ever.
    >I've lost my education, as I have been so depressed and suffering from such severe PTSD that I cannot handle my normal level of schooling. I lost all of my scholarships.

    I'd be happy if this really happened to you. Sounds like a good punishment for a bitch like ya.
    But oh well, all you're writing is a lie anyways. I can only hope your life does get destroyed someday.
    >> 4ng31 !!hKQFMnsBtJf 10/29/11(Sat)11:51 No.5110912
    Still waiting for an ID on who this bitch is...
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)12:15 No.5110926
    lol, oh my, lj-fags are so retarded. Try to give them the truth and now I'm getting insulted. It was foreseeable, but still
    >notsurewhyI'mtryinganyway.jpg
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)12:16 No.5110928
    Women are horrible.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)12:26 No.5110933
    "Listen carefully all of you.
    My name is Thomas Atchley, and I was nowhere near Youmacon, and the pictures provided aren't of me.
    I live in Alabama and don't have the cash to be going to any cons.
    I also have pictures of myself that I will happily provide right now.

    One is of me when I was in highschool.
    http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/Echiro/Me.png

    And one of me just now.
    http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/Echiro/SANY0839.jpg

    And here's the folder with all my subpar_icon posted things.
    http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/Echiro/icons/#!cpZZ8QQtppZZ20
    http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/Echiro/icons/Bleach/#!cpZZ8QQtppZZ20

    I didn't get this news until I woke up just a bit ago and have been doing damage control, probably to failed extents since I just undeleted this after my kneejerk deletion that a certain SOMEONE told me to do.

    Further, this is ridiculous, I can't be the only person on this site that uses the handle TC. Do you know how many things that could stand for?

    This is the truth, I will not hide, and I will not stand this Slander."
    http://fandomsecrets.livejournal.com/780630.html?thread=493278038#t493278038

    What the shit happened here exactly? People mistook him for a guy with a different name that looks nothing like him?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)12:27 No.5110935
    >>5110926
    If you're whyljrpwhy then I owe you a fist to the face.


    Some dude ended up getting falsely accused for this shit and got death threats and the smug bastard mentioned above is blaming the guy for being falsely accused.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)12:27 No.5110936
    >>5110933
    What do you expect of retards?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)12:28 No.5110937
    >>5110933
    The owner of fandomsecrets said this about it.

    >Someone had namedropped his username in the thread with Stormy in it (giving no proof or anything, just blind accusation). I deleted it and froze the thread, but apparently it wasn't fast enough.

    http://fandomsecrets.livejournal.com/781158.html#comments
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)12:32 No.5110942
    >>5110937
    Ah, I see.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)13:18 No.5111011
    >>5110935
    Actually that must be buniyousa
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)13:28 No.5111024
    If he's still working security at this con, I doubt he's really a serial rapist. If he is, those girls need to report him, otherwise shit won't get done. Until there's legit proof or more witnesses (that aren't anon) this just seems like an extreme attempt to ruin someone's reputation.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)13:33 No.5111031
    >>5111024
    >witnesses
    I meant victims
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)13:39 No.5111040
    I think that the worst part of this is that people who know the truth won't speak up because then they'll get jumped on and called a "rape apologist". Because women can never lie about getting raped by the misogynist pig that is a male.

    >inb4 internet namecalling doesn't matter
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)13:51 No.5111056
    >>5111040
    you can speak, in fact, the truth without saying things that "she dated the guy so it can't be rape".
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)13:52 No.5111059
    lol pedo ponytail
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)14:02 No.5111067
    >>5110542

    Why halo thar, LJ user whyljrpwhy.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)14:07 No.5111074
    >>5111067
    ...whyljrpwhy has nothing to do with the accusation towards Cusack. her fault was being an ass to Atchley.

    LJ and 4chan are really more alike than they want to admit.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)14:21 No.5111093
    >>5111040
    lol, unfortunately you're right. I did and look what shitstorm ensued (buniyousa here). I expected a certain amount of whiplash but yeesh, guess I trolled myself there with how I underestimated them. I stopped reading after the fifth reply and lurked on /a/ and /cm/ instead.
    >bestchoiceimadetoday.jpg
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)14:27 No.5111100
    >This is true, though, false rape accusations are estimated to be well over 80%.

    What the fuck are you talking about? You're a stupid piece of shit. All major studies have found that it's AT MOST 5%.

    http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2009/04/15/eugene-kanins-study-of-false-rape-reports/

    Also all this bawwwing about how "easy" it is to ruin a man's rep by calling him a rapist need to open their eyes. Even in this thread people are calling her a stupid bitch, etc. Name one well-known man who's life was ruined by a rape accusation. Remember the super high profile Kobe Bryant rape case? Didn't seem to affect his career very much. Even Roman Polanski, who without a doubt drugged and raped a 13 year old, still has lots of supporters.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)14:28 No.5111101
    >>5111093
    If you only said "this girl is lying. she has posted this on tumblr before and here is the story, she wasn't underaged" that'd be enough.

    Saying "If this was real, she would've already called the police" and implying that someone can't be raped while in a relationship is where you misstepped, because that's just not true when said in a general statement.

    Honestly, everyone's just bad at admitting they might be wrong.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)14:46 No.5111125
    >>5111101
    Yeah, you're probably right. Guess I shouldn't have butted in at all.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)14:50 No.5111129
    the only person I feel sorry for is the guy who got mixed up with the greed cosplayer. the first TC and the anon OP are stupid sluts who get themselves in trouble by being stupid sluts.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)16:33 No.5111318
    >>5111100
    >All major studies have found that it's AT MOST 5%.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Oh feminists some times, god damn...

    http://www.mediaradar.org/research_on_false_rape_allegations.php
    >According to the FBI, about 95,000 forcible rapes were reported in 2004.8 Based on the statements and studies cited above, some 47,000 American men are falsely accused of rape each year.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194032,00.html
    >he two percent figure appears without citation or with only a vague attribution to "FBI" sources. Although the figure shows up in legislation such as the Violence Against Women Act, legal scholar Michelle Anderson of Villanova University Law School reported in 2004, "no study has ever been published which sets forth an evidentiary basis for the two percent false rape complaint thesis."
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)16:36 No.5111325
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    Ha ha misogynists.
    Garbage sources.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)16:41 No.5111336
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    >FBI
    >garbage source
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)16:44 No.5111342
    >>5111318
    >>he two percent figure appears without citation or with only a vague attribution to "FBI" sources

    What? It's in the FBI's annual violence reports, I've seen it myself.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)16:52 No.5111357
    >>5111318

    Oh Faux News...
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)16:53 No.5111359
    sorry, mra assholes, but you can't consent at 14/15.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)16:55 No.5111361
    >>5111359
    Except her age wasn't ever stated
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)16:58 No.5111365
    >>5111361

    but wait, I just did.

    fourteen/fifteen.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)16:58 No.5111367
    >>5111365
    The age of who wrote that wasn't ever stated.
    >> Strawberry ShortCrew !6KMyhHELLA 10/29/11(Sat)16:59 No.5111368
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    >feminists

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/all/6391918/whos-the-daddy.thtml
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:02 No.5111373
    >>5111367

    No, but I know it, and I know her.

    so many of you are crying "oh she was just a fat bitch trying to get revenge"

    "false accusation"

    or what have you.

    This is bullshit. I was there, I experienced it, I know him. Earlier in this thread someone mentioned "dumped her for another one of her friends."

    not quite what was going on.

    if you are fourteen/fifteen,

    you cannot consent. period.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:02 No.5111376
    >>5111368
    This article is the best thing ever.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:05 No.5111380
    >>5111373

    Prove that you were there. This is the Internet. Anyone can say ANYTHING they want.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:06 No.5111385
    >>5111373

    Huh, I know her too. Girl was over 18 and just angry.

    Look how easy that is to do. Especially anon when there's no real way of knowing. Just like it's exceedingly easy to trash someone's rep with false accusations without having anything traced back to you.

    If he was a serial-rapist there'd be more girls to verify this story, but it's just the one trying to vilify him. That right there screams fake to me.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:08 No.5111389
    >>5111380

    There isn't really a lot of incentive for me to do that when people are crying "ID the bitch" and other vaguely threatening things.

    I'm happy to give you more information on Cusack, or the head of security-- whose name is Owen, or Youmacon in general.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:09 No.5111392
    >>5111389

    So basically you don't want to give anyone anyway to verify your story, you just want to try and crucify these guys and this con.

    Wow, I'm totally beginning to believe this story is legit!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:10 No.5111396
    >>5111389

    Information easily obtained. Besides, with that information and potential record checking, we could potentially figure out who she was anyway. Again, this is the Internet.

    Lastly, you must be new here. This is 4chan. You can't defend anyone here. Good intentions, surely, but you cannot do it.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:14 No.5111403
    >>5111396
    In fact she could defend her if she presented a solid argument instead of spouting baseless claims while hiding on the anonymous identity.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:15 No.5111406
    >>5111403

    This is true, I stand corrected. Still defense is hard when wearing a newfag!Anonymous mask.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:15 No.5111409
    God fucking damnit. I'm friends with TC and someone just sent me this. You all should know that he and the accuser dated for awhile. You don't think anyone knows who you are JM I can see you all over that forum you posted anonymously in? He lived at her house for over like a year. They broke up because TC liked to fuck her friends. SURPRISE NOW SHES MAD! Also she nearly got arrested on mor than one occasion for attacking HIM physically. Yes we can all admit that TC is a fucking shitty boyfriend. But they havent been together in a few years and I'm just wondering why she brings this back up now. Fucking get over it. He fucked your friends who were hotter than you. Now you accuse him of raping everyne he meets.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:19 No.5111416
    >>5111403

    Truth. Hell there's enough information in the article that saying she's trying to "remain anonymous" is dumb anyway. The guy would be able to ID her anyway.

    Which is funny considering she said she'd been volunteering for Security for 5 or 6 years but Youmacon doesn't take volunteers under the age of 18 and certainly not for a position like security.

    When exactly was this "assault" supposed to have occurred and why would she work security with him for 5 or 6 years before bringing it up?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:19 No.5111417
    If it were a guy talking shit online about his ex-girlfriend who he broke up with because she liked to fuck his friends who were hotter than him, I wonder whose side /cgl/ would be on.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:22 No.5111425
    >>5111416

    I should also point out that Youmacon's only been going since 2005. Which would be the entirety of the time she was working security so at what point could she have possibly met him at this con while being "fourteen or fifteen"?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:22 No.5111427
    >>5111409

    I know JM too. I know the "hot friend" too.

    He's telling you bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:23 No.5111429
    >>5111417

    Depends, he accusing her of rape in some badly concocted fantasy way?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:23 No.5111430
    >>5111373
    >>5111389
    >>5111427
    "JM" spotted.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:26 No.5111441
    >>5111425

    Youmacon employs underage girls to try and find parties/pedophiles.

    There's some irony there, I think.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:28 No.5111443
    >>5111441

    Why employ underage girls and not just someone who looks underage?

    How do you even sign up for that "Sure, I'll dress as slutty Pikachu and try to find pedophiles for you! Golly gee that sure sounds like fun!"?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:30 No.5111445
    >>5111443

    Because the real thing is more convincing? And they give you free con badges + room + food if you do it. It's well worth it.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:32 No.5111450
    >>5111445

    Uh, didn't you ever see those To Catch A Predator episodes where they hired an actress that looked a lot younger?

    It works the same way
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:32 No.5111451
    >>5111445

    Except when you get found by a pedophile and talked into having sex you later regret right? Then it's totally damaging and ruins your life.

    So why then, if that was her job, is she lambasting the guy and NOT the con for sending her underaged butt out to find guys like him?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:33 No.5111453
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    I don't have a reaction image to convey my reaction on what you said about using underage girls to bait paedophiles, so I'll give you this image instead.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:35 No.5111460
    >>5110672

    it makes me sad. As someone who was actually raped and spent years and years trying to talk about it and being too scared to (finally started therapy a few months ago) stuff like this really hurts actual victims. It furthers the mentality that all of us are liars, hurts the person's reputation who is being lied about, hurts actual victims who need help and try to speak up. It makes me very sad when someone abuses that.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:36 No.5111468
    >>5111450

    Clearly con-pedos have some form of sixth sense that just lets them know when the meat isn't as fresh as advertised.

    Gotta use the real deal.

    Or this person is making shit up to try and cover up the holes in their/their friends story.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:38 No.5111475
    >>5111453

    ugh I hate that mentality. So I want to make my man feel good and be proud of myself about something else but can't? Pig disgusting.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:41 No.5111483
    >>5111427
    TC does spew a whole lot of bullshit (philosophy magic religion politics) but nothing I said there is anything but what I saw myself. Are you saying TC didnt date and live with JM for a whole while?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:42 No.5111484
    >>5111453

    Wow, seriously? I wish every woman in the world would boycott blowjobs. Although if we did that then there would be snarky comments about girls NOT giving blowjobs. Seriously what's the big fucking deal? If my husband wants one I don't see why that's wrong and makes me any less of a person.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:42 No.5111486
    >>5111460

    It pisses me off for the blatant disregard for actual victims that some girl could be so self-centered and so ignorant that she thinks getting back at a guy by crying rape is a good idea.

    She has no idea what it actually is like and she's using it because it's an effective weapon nothing more.

    It's just so damaging to real victims and makes people not take it seriously that why would you do that?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:43 No.5111490
    >>5111484

    Just remember that guys have their mouths down there on us too. Misogynists like to forget that.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:44 No.5111491
    >>5111483

    He did, when she was under the age of consent. He also did in fact sleep with her "hot friend." He also had one of his friends stay there, one who was connected with Owen etc.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:44 No.5111492
    YoumaCon-Security does have to get girls who are not of legal drinking age, else the "undercover" girl getting free booze doesn't mean a crime was ever committed. But that's for the 18-20 yearolds.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:47 No.5111500
    >>5111491
    Are you talking about the old black lady? Hes a rapist because he knew the old black lady that lived with them to?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:48 No.5111502
    From a Youmacon Security post:

    -----------
    About this particular issue:

    Nobody who accused TC of taking advantage of them spoke to Security at Youmacon 2010. The discussed assault was to “a friend”. The person who made the accusations was on Security staff, along with her parents. All parties were okay with the involvement of Security at Youmacon 2010 and satisfied with the response. The girl who initially brought the complaint to Security explicitly stated that she was fine with the actions taken.

    Though no apparent victim came forward at Youmacon 2010, it should also be pointed out that TC has not been on Security staff since Youmacon 2008.

    Security does take these issues VERY SERIOUSLY and has dealt with issues of sexual assault at Youmacon in the past. We have both removed people and handed them over to police (Wheelchair Jaraiya in ‘07, a minor who some college guys asked to take nude pictures of in ‘08, and someone who groped a girl in ‘09, etc.). The incidents are rare, but they are taken seriously when they come to our attention and we have always worked to offer aid to law enforcement and assist in prosecution.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:50 No.5111506
    >>5111492

    So they were just twisting what Youmacon does to cover their asses since holes were found in the story.

    Gotcha.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:51 No.5111507
    >>5111475
    It's ok.

    But don't go around talking about being superior to man and all that crap if you were on your knees begging for cock. And liked doing it.

    This is a post dedicated to feminist scum, not the average woman who doesn't think of herself as superior nor inferior to men.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:51 No.5111508
    >>5111491
    WAIT A FUCKING SECOND.

    So they are dating, and her parents let her older boyfriend move in, when she was 15? Is that what your saying? Parents just let him move in with her? Why aren't they the ones getting jailed?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:52 No.5111511
    >>5111490

    Haha that's true. Good point!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:52 No.5111512
    >>5111507

    Go away Misogynist-chan your board has returned and this thread is dedicated to people lying about being raped.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:54 No.5111520
    >>5111512
    But I don't hate women ;_; I hate feminists and chauvinists both alike
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:54 No.5111521
    >>5111508

    Not only that but were apparently on Youmacon Security staff too. Man I hope this girl is fine with dragging her parents through the mud too because jeezus.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:56 No.5111526
    >>5111507

    My logic on it is that neither gender is superior. There are things men and women both do differently and in the end we balance each other out as it should be.

    But yeah lying about rape isn't coo'. For anyone. The sad part is dudes get raped too but nobody listens to them because of the double standards of our society. The myth that all men enjoy sex constantly and with anyone hurts both genders!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)17:57 No.5111528
    >>5111520

    That's because you're an awesome anon aren't you?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:01 No.5111537
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    I am
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:03 No.5111543
    >>5111526

    That's because of the misconception that rape is about sex and not control or power over another individual.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:05 No.5111545
    >>5111368
    >For the entire course of human history, men have nursed profound, troubling doubts about the fundamental question of whether or not they were fathers to their own children; women, by contrast, usually enjoyed a reasonable level of certainty about the matter.
    >Now, a cotton-wool swab with a bit of saliva, plus a small fee, less than £200, can settle the matter. At a stroke, the one thing that women had going for them has been taken away, the one respect in which they had the last laugh over their husbands and lovers. DNA tests are an anti-feminist appliance of science, a change in the balance of power between the sexes that we’ve hardly come to terms with.

    >By contrast, the old situation, in which women presented men with a child, and the man either did the decent thing and offered support, or made a run for it, allowed women a certain leeway.

    >Uncertainty allows mothers to select for their children the father who would be best for them.

    >The point is that paternity was ambiguous and it was effectively up to the mother to name her child’s father, or not. Many men have, of course, ended up raising children who were not genetically their own, but really, does it matter? You can feel quite as much tenderness for a child you mistakenly think to be yours as for one who is.


    wtf
    Feminists actually think like that?
    Really fucking scary if you ask me
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:05 No.5111547
    >>5111486

    I don't know dear. I just know I don't want it to happen to anyone else ever again. It's hard

    it's hard. I wish people would stop lying about it. You're so scared and. It's taken me years to even discuss it on an Anonymous forum like 4chan. Granted everyone handles it at their own pace but. The thing is if she isn't lying and it did happen to her I understand why she didn't come forward right away, but from the other evidence people are presenting..I don't know. The whole affair is just bad bad news.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:09 No.5111559
    >>5111537

    Yes. you get homemade biscuits for being awesome. Oh and apple butter. because fuck yeah apple butter
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:12 No.5111565
    >>5111545

    Sadly, a growing number of new-age feminists do. I've gotten in debates with some who don't care and outright mock guys getting raped or sexually harrassed because "they've been doing it to women long enough".

    I just. No. That kind of things is wrong no matter the parties involved. They don't want equality they want a leg up on the other gender.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:13 No.5111568
    >>5111502
    So I guess this is the final prove that the girl was lying, huh?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:13 No.5111570
    >>5111543

    true, although I think it's a bit of both. Consciously it's about the power, subconsciously there is the sex aspect involved in there somewhere. Scientists theorize that there is a genetic aspect of rapists that is passed on from generation to generation, that some men are predisposed to it. However it ultimately comes down to what kind of person they are in if they act on it. Nature vs. Nuture argument, sorry, I just start spouting random things from class.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:15 No.5111573
    >>5111570
    >Scientists theorize that there is a genetic aspect of rapists that is passed on from generation to generation, that some men are predisposed to it.

    Nope. That's proven sis-science to further and justify the 'all men are rapist pigs' mindset.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:16 No.5111577
    >>5111565

    that right there is my biggest gripe with feminists. Hell even the name feminist lacks any sense of equality. To the equalist it's not one over the other, but a shared and loving balance. I'm sort of with the orgone guy. Perfect and happy sex is a key element to a good society. The male and the female in unison rather than shame or anger.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:16 No.5111578
    >>5111568
    *proof

    oh my
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:17 No.5111580
    If rape is so bad, why are women more likely to get pregnant when raped than when having sex with a stable partner?

    Even nature awards rapists.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:18 No.5111581
    >>5111573

    but it wouldn't be all men, just those that act on a predisposition. Just like there are women who may or may not cheat and who are more prone to it. The genetics of it are not an excuse, but an examinaton of the why.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:19 No.5111582
    >>5111580
    That doesn't make sense, women don't ovulate when they are raped or something like that.

    My guess is that it has more to do with rapists not using condoms and such.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:19 No.5111586
    >>5111573
    >>5111570
    Both of you, show me research. Go.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:20 No.5111587
    >>5111586
    You're the one who brought that element to the discussion, it's your duty to justify it and give valid source.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:21 No.5111590
    Hey, someone just posted >>5111502 on the lj but now I can't see the post anymore. Did it get deleted?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:21 No.5111591
    >>5111580

    oh god not this troll argument again.

    Just because it's natural=/=good. That's one of the biggest scientific fallacies. You want to know why women are more likely to get pregnant? Because with a partner they are probably wearing a condom. I don't think most women carry those just in case they're about to get raped. Correlation does not necessarily mean causation.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:22 No.5111592
    >>5111590
    Yes
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:24 No.5111594
    >>5111586

    I'm the genetic sided argument. My research came from a book called "The Red Queen". It's about evolutionary biology and it's a good read.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:24 No.5111595
    >>5111592
    ... why?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:31 No.5111599
    >>5111591
    >>5111582
    >Our analysis suggests that per-incident rape-pregnancy rates exceed per-incident consensual pregnancy rates by a sizable margin, even before adjusting for the use of relevant forms of birth control.

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/wp5cnp43k6byxj4d/

    It's not a troll argument.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:32 No.5111602
    >The argument has been made by evolutionary psychologists that rape could be an evolutionary adaptation. The idea is that a propensity to rape might be transmitted genetically, because someone who rapes who would be more likely to pass on his DNA than a nicer guy. Rapists, in short, have more children than non-rapists. But Begley looks at evidence from a Paraguayan tribe living a traditional existence and finds that in fact that is not the case. Any given rape is quite unlikely to result in offspring — particularly offspring who survive — while it often leads to the demise of the rapist.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:34 No.5111605
    >>5111599

    of course they'll exceed consensual rates by a sizable margin. There are way less rape related pregnancies reported than consensual related pregnancies. So the differences between them will look staggering when they are compared because rape happens less often than consensual sex. Fail biased science is fail.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:35 No.5111608
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    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:36 No.5111611
    >>5111605
    Also almost every pregnancy that is a consequence of rape is reported, yet there are lots of rape cases that go unreported.

    Not to say that by today's definitions, pretty much anything is considered rape in countries like England.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:37 No.5111614
    >>5111602

    fair enough, that sounds logical. But it does sound like there is still a margin for that DNA to be passed on and said rapists are not always caught and therefore do not always meet their demise. Both arguments have a basis.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:41 No.5111619
    >>5111614
    Remember that the argument isn't around 'rapists passing genes so every son of theirs is a rapist', it's about 'rapists have more kids so it's more likely to spread their genes and behavior'.

    You're mixing fundamentation with consequence.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:41 No.5111620
    >>5111608

    Sorry OP, I got distracted.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:42 No.5111625
    >>5111608
    It's already been proven a false accusation. Go away.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:43 No.5111628
    >>5111619

    Actually that was not my initial argument, only the argument presented by their piece of information. My initial argument was that it's possible that the inclination to rape is not just about applications for power but has some basis too in sexuality due to genetics.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:49 No.5111639
    >>5111595
    >>5111592
    >>5111590
    Wait, the LJ board flat out deleted the post from Youmacon Security? It's on the Youmacon boards as well. What, they think its fake or bad advice or.... they think the story is better when its sensationalized?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:52 No.5111645
    >>5111639

    deleting it..maybe she deleted it. To cause a shiTstorm
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:54 No.5111647
    >Wheelchair Jaraiya in ‘07,

    This I gotta hear. Anyone know the tale?
    >> Strawberry ShortCrew !6KMyhHELLA 10/29/11(Sat)18:54 No.5111649
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    yes it most certainly is
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:55 No.5111652
    >>5111639
    I don't know. I'll try posting it again. If it gets deleted again... y'know...

    >>5111625
    For crying out loud, make another goddamn thread if you wanna discuss rapists and their genes so badly.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)18:56 No.5111653
    >>5111652
    If I did that, it would be a thread unrelated to /cgl/ and breaking the rules

    Do you want me to become a criminal of some sorts?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)19:00 No.5111658
    >>5111653
    /soc/
    /pol/
    /r9k/
    perhaps? Whatever, do what you want.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)19:00 No.5111660
    >>5111653

    You've been a bad bad girl. You messed around with a delicate man.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)19:01 No.5111662
    >>5111660
    >assuming I'm a girl by default

    th-thanks, /cgl/
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)19:07 No.5111670
    >>5111662

    Sorry. I was trying my hand at Fiona Apple. Didn't quite come out right..because you said Criminal..never mind.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)19:21 No.5111686
    I swear to God /cgl/ is filled with some of the dumbest shit ever. Its like the shitstain of cosplay.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)19:25 No.5111692
    >>5111686
    You expected _any_ 4chan board to be a paragon of virtue and intelligence? Really?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)19:26 No.5111697
    >>5111692

    lol this
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)19:27 No.5111699
    No charges, no crime, sounds like bullshit dramu to me.
    Women need to learn to process their relationship issues without resorting to anonymous, baseless internet slander.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)19:31 No.5111706
    'sup /cgl/?

    Let me just say, that I know TC. Well, I knew him a few years back. ...and he's not exactly someone I'd ever let my younger friends hang out with. Simple as that.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)19:34 No.5111713
    >>5111699
    Honestly, I could say the same about some guys that get pissed about getting dumped and spread around that their ex is a whore and a slut.

    Not defending what this girl did, not one damn bit, but it's not just bitter women that get revenge by trying to ruin their ex's reputation.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)19:45 No.5111733
    even if the guy's "just" a douchebag and original poster's a lying slut, the warning's good to know. hope this teaches people not to be douchebags and sluts.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)19:47 No.5111741
    >>5111733
    >male cosplayers
    >not creepy douches

    >female cosplayers
    >not attention whorish sluts

    We do not live in an utopia
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)19:48 No.5111744
    >>5111699
    >People need to learn to process their relationship issues without resorting to anonymous, baseless internet slander.
    ftfy
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)19:50 No.5111748
    >>5111741
    let me wish

    IMAGINE ALL THE PEOPLE

    WOO-HOO
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)19:52 No.5111753
    >>5111639
    Huh? No, the Youmacon post is still there.
    http://fandomsecrets.livejournal.com/780630.html?thread=493469014#t493469014
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)19:55 No.5111760
    >>5111753
    That's strange. Somehow this lj is confusing me...
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)19:58 No.5111771
    >>5111760
    There are too many comments there, must be confusing if you're not used to LJ's format. All the relevant threads are on page 1, second first-level comment "General comments:" and under the accuser's post with subject "Warning to anyone going to Youmacon. [TW]".
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)20:51 No.5111874
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    Can you really blame the guy for cheating on her?

    Suprised nobody posted the judo creature yet.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)20:56 No.5111879
    Wait. do none of you guys know about the bullshit that went down on plurk?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)20:56 No.5111880
    >>5111874
    judo_creature? like the one in this thread I'm currently reading where that username is defending a girl who posts a secret saying she has body image issues due to being short, flat and blonde and got accused of trolling?

    that said, I don't care if someone's fugly, old, diseased, hormonally imbalanced, stupid, retarded or an illegal immigrant, that doesn't make cheating right.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)20:58 No.5111882
    >>5111879
    it's been settled. the plurk is confusing between TC of youmacon and another TC from alabama. guy had clarified, people have made corrections, person who namedropped him have apologized.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)21:00 No.5111888
    >>5111874
    Wait, is judo creature the one who was raped or what? I see her comment on f!s and I've talked to her several times, and she seems quite smart and reasonable... Why don't you people like her?

    (sorry for being unknowledgeable on the subject, I've haven't been checking this thread very frequently)
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)21:05 No.5111899
    >>5111874
    Ugly bitch
    >> Anonymous 10/29/11(Sat)21:17 No.5111917
    I'm still loling at "long brown pedo-ponytail"
    >> TK-421 10/29/11(Sat)23:48 No.5112193
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    It's topics like this on /cgl/ that make me avoid hooking up at cons.
    >> More on fandomsecrets just so information is all out Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)02:27 No.5112544
    anon who said they're TC's friend and got jumped when they gave a link to his pictures but ask the mob not to jump or harass him:
    >Excuse me, but I don't know. For all we know, this could all be an elaborate fake hosted by someone with a very deep grudge. But I have given you all pictures and helped spread awareness because no, I don't believe this is a hoax. But none of us KNOW for sure, except for the person posting this. My feelings go out to her and I very much wish that it is not true for her sake, because rape is a terrible, disgusting crime.

    >And reporting him is harder than you think. 'oh just report him' okay, sure. I have no proof to back up my report, as the OP has stated other victims would not help her speak out against him and get him locked up. I would be willing to give my testimony about him mentioning his attraction to one particular fourteen year old, but that is all I can honestly say I've ever heard from him.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)02:29 No.5112547
    anon:
    >You are so brave to be able to speak out like this, and I'm truly sorry that you had to go through what you did, but you have to remember that the culprit is him, not those around him. It's very good to get internet awareness about it around, but as we saw by the mishap people are willing to send death threats at the drop of a hat to someone they aren't even sure is the culprit.

    OP
    >I agree. I think what they did to Thomas was horrifically inappropriate and I wish I'd spoken out more loudly about my doubts that he was the man we were looking for, but I was away the whole day and unable to intervene sooner.

    >Thank you. I don't want death threats, but I cannot feel sorry if he is ostracized for his behaviour. It needs to be public.

    >Beyond that, it should not be an issue, as I heard that he has now been banned from the con. I have to double-check, though, just in case.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)02:32 No.5112552
    OP
    >I never had sex with him, and if I had it would not have been consensual. He molested me when I was fifteen years old, then sexually assaulted me later when I was seventeen. In the space between those two years, during which I was adamant about not having sex, he emotionally abused me to the point where I couldn't bring myself to break up with him because I didn't realize I was being abused. At seventeen I was too broken to fight anymore and he acted: he would molest me while I was sleeping and inform me of it later, and also assault me while I was awake and begging him to stop; both of which fall under "nonconsensual." As I said upthread, it took me a year before I was even able to admit that it was sexual assault.

    >The "without a smallest bit of proof" is why I can't go to the police. I can tell them what happened but I doubt they will believe me.

    >I do not know where you get the idea that I have posted this before. This is the first time I have ever posted anything about him, period, and I only did it because I couldn't handle knowing what he was doing and letting him get away with hurting other women. I'm sorry if you think I'm lying, but I did not do this out of malice or revenge. Do you think I would have opened myself to attack for revenge? I'm terrified as shit. I wanted to let him fall out of my life forever, and I've certainly restored involvement with him by speaking out and people (mostly his friends, also bitter misogynists) are trying to find me--why would I deliberately bring this on? I'm intelligent and culturally knowledgeable enough to know that the safest thing for me would be to just let it go... but the guilt of that selfishness wrecked me. I just knew I had to do something to help people, and since I couldn't get him arrested, warning people is all I could do.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)02:39 No.5112562
    hamburger
    >Reading through all the comments -- two people confirmed they were involved in a 15-17 person makeout session involving underage people in the CON OPS ROOM?

    >Youmacon seems to have more issues than just the one guy on security and his friend. That's a staff room. Meaning multiple people would have been in and out of that place turning a blind eye to this.

    anon
    >Make it three people confirming. I was there too, also underage. There is actually a video of it out there, but I did not ever see it and don't know if it was ever put online.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)02:49 No.5112575
    OP
    >I'd like to also include for the general public that it was I who broke up with him. Not the other way around.

    >And since the fact about me having dated him has come out, I'll say that I originally left that information out not because I was trying to alter my story, but because I was attempting to preserve my anonymity (it didn't work) by not giving too much detail about myself, and because of reason four. It doesn't matter that we were dating. He abused me throughout the relationship and I only barely was able to break up with him and escape because I was so emotionally messed up by it.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)02:51 No.5112580
    >>5111502
    OP's response to this
    >This post is untrue. I have to speak to the Security Head about it. I did address that TC was a repeat assailant, mentioning others but my own experience included. I was never asked if I was okay with "actions taken" (there were none) and I certainly never stated that I was fine with the alleged actions.

    >The only time I ever claimed to be "fine" with anything was when I said I would still be able to work despite being emotionally compromised.

    >The only truth is that TC was not, in fact, working security, but that was never made clear to me or anyone I knew throughout the entirety of the con. He came into Security Ops and spoke with other members and the schedule operator and attended at least one meeting, and I was never told that he wasn't actually working Security when I spoke to someone about this. There will be a statement made about this on the Youmacon website at some point.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)02:52 No.5112582
    .
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)03:44 No.5112628
    Holy shit. I knew TC a while back. There was this whole weird harem thing happening because of his Greed cosplay. I remember there being a bed full of underage girls with him in the middle, as well as other things involving him and much younger girls. Lets just say, nothing about these accusations surprise me. I knew JM, she's crazy, but probably not making this up.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)04:35 No.5112712
    >>5112628
    Admittedly, I happened to be part of the Harem and I was a part of that party in the hotel room. Underage girls? I was one of them.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)04:58 No.5112734
    >>5112552
    >I never had sex with him

    ?
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)05:00 No.5112736
    >>5112552
    >I'm sorry if you think I'm lying, but I did not do this out of malice or revenge. Do you think I would have opened myself to attack for revenge? I'm terrified as shit. I wanted to let him fall out of my life forever, and I've certainly restored involvement with him by speaking out and people (mostly his friends, also bitter misogynists) are trying to find me--why would I deliberately bring this on? I'm intelligent and culturally knowledgeable enough to know that the safest thing for me would be to just let it go... but the guilt of that selfishness wrecked me. I just knew I had to do something to help people, and since I couldn't get him arrested, warning people is all I could do.

    This is so awful, so cringe-worthy. This kid is a disgrace to the female gender.

    This part I quoted is more than enough proof that she's a dishonest butthurt attention whore who needs to get kicked in the cunt.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)05:03 No.5112738
    >>5111874
    DAYUM
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)05:19 No.5112760
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    It's funny how much Judo seems to be responding in here now. I'd just like to point this out though:

    >He molested me when I was fifteen years old, then sexually assaulted me later when I was seventeen. In the space between those two years, during which I was adamant about not having sex, he emotionally abused me to the point where I couldn't bring myself to break up with him because I didn't realize I was being abused. At seventeen I was too broken to fight anymore and he acted: he would molest me while I was sleeping and inform me of it later, and also assault me while I was awake and begging him to stop; both of which fall under "nonconsensual."

    That is terrible, it really is Judo, and makes this TC guy seem like a total and complete dickbag. HOWEVER, this is not anything whatsoever like what you originally said at all (making it seem like he's a serial rapist who raped you and everybody else at Youmacon) and still leaves out the fact that you two were apparently dating for that time period, and that he lived at your house that entire time period, and that your parents were okay with everything during that time period.

    In other words, it seems like Judo said "You know, TC is a total dick, but I don't think I'll get enough supporters if I say what actually happened so I'll make a bunch of stuff up instead."

    So it seems like you lose. It would have worked much better for you if you didn't make so much shit up and just told the truth from the beginning.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)05:23 No.5112766
    >>5111874
    Who in their sane mind would have sex with that?
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)05:34 No.5112773
    >>5112760
    >you two were apparently dating for that time period, and that he lived at your house that entire time period, and that your parents were okay with everything during that time period.
    If he's really 25, what the fuck is wrong with her parents?
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)05:53 No.5112781
    >>5112773
    Note that Judo is talking about the time they dated when she was 15-17.

    Judo is now 20.

    What...the...fuck...

    Also, she deleted her facebook today.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)06:02 No.5112786
    This thread is full of fuck. When I was 14 I met a 21 year old at a convention, he knew I was 14 but did not tell me his age. I thought he was 16, with how he acted. He didn't really look 21 either, at the oldest 19.

    He ended up moving in with me, living in the guest house. And he would get me to sleep with him by saying "if you don't I will leave you and you will be alone." At this time my parents were getting a divorce, my cat had just died, and I was realizing there was no way for me to finish highschool within 4 years. (I was in 10th grade when I was 14) He would demand I sleep naked so he could sneak into my room at night while I was sleeping, and if I didn't he would yell at me or just simply take my clothes off.
    So I understand agreeing to sleep with someone but it still being rape, I understand not understand it was rape until a long time after. I understand not being able to have a sex life, I did not have sex again until I was 18. I understand how she feels.

    But I am 19 now, and I would not go to anyone with this. I don't even tell friends, I act as if it was never apart of my life. The only people that know are the people who knew me when it happened/ This is just- stupid. Unless she had a good reason to think he was doing it to someone else she should have kept her mouth shut. Especially if she's going to make shit up about it to make it seem even more serious.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)06:35 No.5112805
    It's also funny how quiet the lj-post has become. Almost nobody dares to respond to ne Youmacon security post.

    >Also, she deleted her facebook today.
    Well, I hope she got a good troll whiplash for her lying. Seriously, this girl is sick in her mind.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)06:40 No.5112807
    >>5112805
    Well aside from getting burned after falsely accusing the other TC, at this point it's just a matter of Judo and the con staff. Plus fandomsecrets have a new post everyday, yesterday's post is garbage today for the regulars.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)09:40 No.5112883
    >>5111874
    Judo Manko?
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)09:44 No.5112886
    >>5112883
    >dat name
    haha oh wow I hope this woman never goes to Japan.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)11:08 No.5112979
    >>5112805
    It's two days ago on fandom secrets. No one cares anymore. That place tends to move on fast.

    >>5112628
    Ew.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)14:02 No.5113229
    >>5112712

    As was I, when I was 14. It was not a proud moment in my life, to say the least. Was I flirting with TC? Probably. But I was still 14, and I still felt like he took advantage of the situation. I'm not scarred by it or whatever but I do think it's fucked up he didn't tell a bunch of adolescent girls to back off when they were trying to take things too far. He was the adult. Plain and simple. I also thought he liked me even though he was telling friends how desperate I was. I dunno man. I dunno. All this drama coming out five years after the fact is kinda dumb to me. And yes. Judo is fucking crazy.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)14:08 No.5113236
    ITT: Women causing stupid drama
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)14:27 No.5113267
    >>5113236

    Really just Judo starting dumb drama. She's pissed at him for fucking her friends, and is using shit that happened in 2006 as an excuse to get revenge. I know this for a fucking fact.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)16:33 No.5113536
    Regardless if he raped JM or not, it's telling that even the people defending him doesn't deny he's a creepy asshole. I hope he gets serious RL repercussions more than just being banned from a con.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)16:35 No.5113544
    I've attended Youma since it's second year, and this is the first time I've heard of this.

    What?

    >I don't feel so bad about not being able to go, now
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)16:37 No.5113550
    >>5113229
    I have to agree; a responsible adult should have never acted in such a fashion. I was roughly the same age at the time, and after taking a step back from the situation, I could actually see what a sleaze the guy was.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)16:46 No.5113573
    >>5113267
    sup TC
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)16:48 No.5113578
    >>5113550

    Once he started dating Judo was when I took a step back and kind of laughed at myself for behaving so pathetically. Everyone does dumb things when they're 14 though. And in my opinion he's more pathetic for acting in such a predatory way. How he keeps getting young girls to rally around him like this is beyond me.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)16:58 No.5113607
    I'm not trying to discredit the girl who originally started all this (although she seems to have done a good enough job of that on her own), because I'm sure something happened, even if it wasn't what she was implying at first. But...

    Is it just me, or was this guy an enormous fucking creep from the get-go? Who in their right mind would date a grown man who acts this way? And if the shit about her parents letting him live with her is true, what the fuck is wrong with them?
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)17:03 No.5113617
    >>5113578
    I think that's what the most of us did. I'm glad I ducked out when I did. He just kind of gave off pedo-vibes, you know? I do feel bad for JM, though. She kind of got snared into that little web of his.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)17:17 No.5113653
    >>5113617

    I guess she did. But it's been years. Why was this claim against him not made five years ago? Why did she pick now to take the high road and bring these (true) accusations against him to light? He's a creep and shouldn't be allowed at Youmacon. But what she's doing is suspect too.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)17:18 No.5113656
    She's incredibly immature and does a lot of things that make no sense. Both of her parents, who I've met, are aloof and just as socially oblivious as she is. Her mother works con security for Youmacon and revels in being a cool "con mom". Her parents were completely fine with it.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)17:23 No.5113672
    >>5113653
    I don't blame her. She was still very much a kid, you know? Now she's an adult and is able to think things through. Maybe she has more drive to speak up? I don't know.
    I've been through something slightly similar in my younger years and it took me forever to finally say something about it to anyone. I guess I just know where she's coming from.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)17:27 No.5113687
    >>5113653
    Going by what all sides say here and on FS, it seems obvious that the worst person in the equation is TC. If the guy hasn't changed his predatory ways in 5 years, (and has he? he hasn't showed his nose anywhere among all these drama) the warning to be vigilant of him is a good thing, regardless if he "technically" raped JM or not, or whether JM's a dumbass.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)17:30 No.5113693
    >>5113687
    Seconded.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)17:45 No.5113730
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    >>5112760
    This.

    I mean, it's bad enough that this guy made out with some 15 year olds, but seriously, what the fuck is wrong with the parents? And what the fuck is up with the girl coming out about this FIVE FUCKING YEARS LATER? Okay, maybe that can be excused because, ya know, victims having to process and handle things. But the original story is nothing like what is being said now, and it seems like the story told at Youmaconin 2010 is even less like what happened either.

    Listen, victims, if you are going to come forward, don't tell a story that is 90% FAKE, because then you're going to look like the bitch, and creepy "Yes I'll make out with you, Ms. 9th Graders" will look like an even worse victim. And that's a total shame, because Mr. Makeout seems like a total dick.

    So again, raping didn't happen last year. And it was statutory, but consensual. And the parents were okay with it. And it happened in the parents home and not at the convention. And it took place 5 years ago. And everyone involved is a fucking clusterfuck.

    Am I missing anything here?
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)17:58 No.5113759
    >>5113730
    You're missing the part about telling what the perpetrator should do, and what should be done with him to prevent similar incidents in the future.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)19:32 No.5113962
    >>5113759
    Perpetrator should eat a bag of dicks. Girl should also eat a bag of dicks now that she's over the legal age to consent to eating dicks. Parents should eat a bag of dicks as well.
    >>5113759
    >> Steve 10/30/11(Sun)19:43 No.5113996
    >>5113573
    > Sup TC

    I don't think TC is posting in here or anywhere else right now. I spoke to him today on the phone. Guy was in tears and hasn't been online since he started getting tons of phonecalls. And here's the thing, he readily admits that he did a ton of wrong and that he never should have dated Judo (or her friend K), and that he has problems, and even that he was a creep that got away with shit that he shouldn't have gotten away with (including living with her). He also admitted that he was manipulative and a complete asshole. However, he also said that all of this was over 3 years ago and he thought he was beyond all of it. Seriously, the guy is a fucking trainwreck, which he probably should be, but come on. I didn't ask a lot of questions though, and I didn't know him when all of that was going on, but I think what has happened to him was not how any of this should have been handled. Also, he feels bad for Judo's family, and even referred to Judo's mom as "Mom" and "What this will do to Mom" and "I hope that Mom is okay" and "I can't believe Judo would do this and make Mom look bad" and "Judo never treated Mom right and needs to stop taking advantage of her" etc. etc.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)20:20 No.5114104
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOeVg_yFzw8
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)21:40 No.5114289
    ITT: JM found /cgl/ and is samefaggint this thread like HOLY SHIT FUCK
    >> Latest from JM on FS Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)22:03 No.5114338
    >So, a lot of drama has been kicked up by this post. I'm here to correct everything I can.

    >1. Neither I, nor anyone else, was raped at Youmacon 2010. Whoever started the rumour is lying. My issues with TC were in the past, and due to those and other information I received, I went to the Head of Security requesting he remove him from security and the con. I was not able to make a police report due to the fact that other victims chose not to prosecute and my case alone was not enough, so the Security Head was unable to legally remove him from the con. I thought TC was also allowed to remain on security. However, the Head of Security did remove him from the team after my complaint; due to a minor but unfortunate miscommunication, I was mistakenly under the assumption that this was not the case. TC was removed from the security team after my complaint.

    >2. I am afraid that in my third paragraph I said some inappropriate things about the Head of Security. We've recently met and discussed the situation, and in that light I'd like to say that he is an excellent security leader and is very invested in protecting all con-goers. I understand now that the questions the Security Head asked me during my complaint were reasonable, and admit that because I was emotionally compromised I interpreted some of his concerns as victim blaming. I now understand the position he was in, and would like to stress that he was entirely professional during our meeting. I understand the actions that were taken, although I wish more could have been done.

    cont'd
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)22:04 No.5114342
    >>5114338
    >3. There was absolutely no protection or enabling of a rapist on the Security Team. Youmacon Security is the most excellent and thorough security team I have ever encountered at a convention, and I will be working with the team again this year. Our security team is incredibly thorough. Again, my issues with the Security Head have been worked out, and I have absolutely no complaints about the way they handle things. Please do not think that anyone is unsafe with our Security Team.

    >4. The intention of my original post was to warn people about someone who I know is dangerous, and that is all. It was never my intention to harm Youmacon or make anyone feel unsafe there, and I heavily regret the fact that my original statement aided in those feelings.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)22:51 No.5114441
    I like how in this thread coercion is not a form of rape. If he coerces a girl into doing something she doesn't want, then it's rape. But seriously, a lot of victims of rape don't want to report it to the poliece because it may just lead to more trauma. It leads to judgement, court battles and even more trauma than the actual rape itself and in the end may even wind up suffering more than gaining any kind of justice. A friend of mine reported a young man to the cops who drugged her drink and raped her. They slapped her with drinking underage and let the young man go. They told him to watch out when drinking around girls like her. She even had photo evidence and a positive rape kit for the physical abuse he did. That hurt her pyscologically more than the rape. There are lots of reasons young women report rape, and it doesn't mean they're all lying. I have no opinion on this girl's case in particular, but I just wanted to say that about victims in general. Also, more often than not, most girls who claim rape are telling the truth, men just perpretuate this lie that women are coniving ilars out for your balls. The funny thing is, is that it's usually the nice guys who think that most girls are lying, that's usually because they can't come to grips with what men are capeable of, and that it is more men who rape and commit violent acts.
    >> RedDickies !!BvBZJIM+I1V 10/30/11(Sun)22:59 No.5114460
    women sure are full of shit when it comes to talking about rape
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:16 No.5114493
    Interesting...all i see is some girl pissed off at some guy that she use to date, then realizing she does not want him at the con, or working for them if he does. If he is a creeper...just take it to the police an not the fucking con. Keep that shit out of con and somewhere far away, NO CON DRAMA...
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:19 No.5114504
    >>5114460

    stop it, right now. That's a terrible mentality, especially for actual victims to hear.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:30 No.5114529
    >>5114504
    >stop it, right now.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:31 No.5114530
    >>5113996

    He has to deal with one day of distress while his victim has to live with psychological damage for years. I sure feel bad for him.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:36 No.5114548
    >>5114530
    Go away JM
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:38 No.5114553
    >>5114504
    Victims know we're talking about the 41% of women who call false rape accusations.

    And they think the same way, or even more harshly about them.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:40 No.5114558
    >>5110685
    As a victim of rape, this is not true.
    A person doesn't ask to be violated; the rapist makes the choice to force themselves upon a girl without consent.
    A person can dress and act however they like, and in no way will they ever deserve to know the feeling of being raped. Even if they're the biggest slut ever, no one deserves it.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:41 No.5114561
    >>5114548

    Nope. I'm pretty sure that she's stopped caring about anything 4chan has to say about her. Good job though, your amazing logic has rendered my point invalid.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:42 No.5114564
    >>5114561
    Your point is invalid from the point where she admitted that she was not raped.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:48 No.5114574
    >>5114561
    Except she was never raped, she didn't even have sex without her and her parents' consent.

    She has no proof and all the things she said were contradictory.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:49 No.5114576
    >>5114564
    >>5114574
    All she said was that she wasn't raped last year, not that she wasn't raped at all.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:51 No.5114580
    >>5114576
    What part of
    >she didn't ever have sex without her and her parents' consent
    Didn't you understand?
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:51 No.5114582
    >>5114564

    She never said that she was. Someone misinterpreted what she said, and she was correcting the misinformation. Your point was invalid where you didn't bother finding out what was fact and what was speculation.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:52 No.5114585
    >>5114564
    Wait, she kinda did admit that she was raped... wait, he only touched her boobs, so sexually assaulted. She was 15 and that makes it statuetory.

    But her parents were cool enough with it so he moved in. So... yeah its not rape... it's statuetory boob touching with the consent of the parents.

    Wait a minute what the fuck?
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:52 No.5114586
    >>5114582
    >she didn't ever have sex without her and her parents' consent
    >she has no proof that she suffered any kind of abuse
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:54 No.5114591
    >>5114585
    >boob-touching without any kind of proof that it happened or that it was unconsensual
    >rape

    Yeah guys, this girl in 5th grade pinched my butt. Now I realize she raped me! She even used those pedo-pigtails!
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:56 No.5114596
    >>5114591
    Hey, hey, hey. It's only rape when it happens to a girl
    >> Anonymous 10/30/11(Sun)23:59 No.5114603
    >>5114553
    Then don't say "women" because no, victims can't read your mind and phrasing it like that imply a general thought about all women. In fact, you might want to rephrase completely, that is if you're not just backtracking after saying a misogynistic thought that was actually in your mind.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:00 No.5114605
    >>5114591
    If a growth man groped your penis, it would be different from a fifth grader girl pinching your butt. Idiot.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:00 No.5114606
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    >>5114596
    Worst part is that it's true
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:01 No.5114609
    >>5114605
    >if a 19 yo guy touches a girl's boob during a party, it's the same as if a grown man gropes an adolescent's penis
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:02 No.5114612
    The most depressing thing about this thread is that /cgl/ is mostly comprised of women and it still favors the rapist.

    I don't care if he actually did it or not, I don't care if she's making it up for justice - none of you can prove she's telling the truth or lying. If you really don't agree with her, and think she's faking it, don't repost the tumblr entry. Hell, say it to her face if you're honestly convicted enough.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:03 No.5114614
    >>5114603
    I'm not the one who said that.

    And believing that women have the possibility to use rape accusations, no matter if with reason or not, as a tool to gain power, isn't being mysoginistic
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:03 No.5114615
    >>5114591
    There is a difference between sexual and non-sexual touching, as I'm sure you know. Accidental and deliberate are different, too, in case someone else try to make a strawman out of it.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:05 No.5114618
    >>5114615
    She has no proof that it was deliberate

    Or that it even happened
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:05 No.5114619
    >>5114614
    Then let me remind you that the statement was "women sure are full of shit when it comes to talking about rape", not "making false accusations about rape is shitty".
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:06 No.5114624
    >>5114612
    So you say you don't care if the dude did it or not, that it's a made up story or not, you even say there's no proof that she's saying the truth, but you call him a rapist anyway?

    Wow.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:08 No.5114628
    I just got some info about this, talked to a friend about it.

    There was some sort of "orgy" in con ops that involved "TC" and his harem of women that turned into 20 people on the floor, some of which were making out with each other. I don't know any other information about this other than what she had told me, they hung out pretty extensively during this con, I can prod her for more info later if you guys want.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:09 No.5114631
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    Since when is it ok to label someone as a criminal without any kind of proof?

    Does this 'being innocent until proven guilty' not work when the supposed victim and perpetrator are a woman and a man respectively?
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:10 No.5114636
    >>5114618
    That is true, only they know what really happened. What can be said of this particular guy was that his friends say he is a douchebag, he is attracted to tweens, he charmed 15-17 underaged girls into making out in a hotel room in 2006 and he broke up with his girlfriend in really bad terms.

    However, my comment was about not making a statement equating a girl pinching one's butt in 5th grade and an adult coercing and fondling a teenager, thereby belittling sexual assaults that doesn't involve penetration. If you want to comment on the specifics of JM and TC's case, comment specifically.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:13 No.5114643
    >>5114609
    Yeah pretty much. A 19 year old is an adult. And to most girls, their boobs are private and most would be upset if some creep touched it without consent. Idiot.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:14 No.5114647
    >>5114628
    That is one part of the story that seems to be true, because there are many accounts confirming. One person confirmed it not-anonymously, though they're not a part of it (their girlfriend is). Also, "Greed's harem" is talked about here: http://www.youmacon.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=904
    and spawned a forum and a myspace account after.
    http://greedsharem.proboards58.com
    http://groups.myspace.com/GreedsHarem
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:14 No.5114650
    >>5114643
    My butt is private, too, and my soccer coach slapped it when we went to the field to play.

    He's a rapist, then. Or maybe not because I'm a guy.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:16 No.5114653
    >>5114643
    If she went to the party by herself, she became the guy's gf, she invited him to live in her house and sleep on the same bed with the consent of her parents, I would doubt that he touched her boobs without her consent in that occasion.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:19 No.5114657
    >>5114647
    Her tale of it, watching from the outside in horror, was that it was an incredibly awkward experience for everyone involved, except the harem member.

    I usually go to western comic book conventions, we have our fair share of weirdos, but is this a regular occurrence at Anime Conventions? Weeaboos like to turn into a fucked together pile?
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:19 No.5114659
    I find it hilarious that you think that touching a 15 yo girl's tit when making out is 'raping'

    In my times the things that I touched the less on a girl's body when making out were her boobs, and the things she touched the less were mine, too

    I suppose that by american women's standards I am a rapist, then
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:19 No.5114660
    >>5114650
    Well that depends on whether it was consesual or not and I am sure your coach didn't have any ill will and was being playful. Now if your soccer coach invited you to a private room and groped your ass in a sexual way, I am sure you wouldn't be talking about it so casually.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:21 No.5114665
    >>5114647
    >http://greedsharem.proboards58.com
    >Find my friends names mentioned in their forums
    I may have a deeper connection to this story than I thought...time to do some FB investigation...
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:23 No.5114670
    >>5114665
    >faustthenecromancer
    Thats the "owner" of this board...I KNOW I have this person added somewhere in my contacts...

    I hope to god it isn't who I think it is...
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:23 No.5114673
    >>5114653
    I am not talking about the girl, I am talking about the idiot's comparison of an adult touching jailbait's breast sexually and a fifth grader who was probably being playful pinching her classmate's butt. Is not the same thing, that's all.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:23 No.5114674
    >>5114660
    If I went there in my own will, made out with my coach and he touched my butt while doing so, I would be an hypocrite cunt if I told everyone that he raped me, when he clearly didn't
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:25 No.5114677
    ITT: Girl regrets having sex with a dude who was invited by her and her parents to live in their house and sleep on the same bed, calls rape without any kind of proof, the dude's reputation is destroyed
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:25 No.5114679
    >>5114674
    That would depend on your age.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:25 No.5114680
    >>5114612
    I don't favor the rapist. I personally think he's a scumbag lowlife from the accounts here, whether or not he's a rapist. He's someone who preys on vulnerability and doesn't feel bad about it. Steve above said he now feels bad about it? Good. He deserves to get consequences for that, he does not have the right to ask for free pass. If he really did rape people, he deserves to be locked up.

    However, I won't believe the accuser just because she's a woman like me. She needs to present the truth because justice applies to everyone. We should strive to stop thinking about men and women as opposing groups of people.

    Because of her inaccurate and incomprehensive warning, for a moment she made people think the Youmacon Security are shitty human beings and that unrelated guy from LJ is a rapist. The people who didn't check was also in fault, but she shared a blame in that. That could've happened worse if we stick to the thinking mode that women have to always stick with what other women say.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:27 No.5114683
    >>5114677
    >dude's reputation is destroyed
    I wouldn't say that. Looks like a lot of people already thought of him as a creep even without this. This thread is just full of fucked up people.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:28 No.5114686
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    >>5114612
    >I don't care if he actually did it or not
    >I don't care if she's making it up for justice
    >none of you can prove she's telling the truth
    >call him a rapist anyway
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:32 No.5114691
    >>5114677
    What does the parents have to with this? It reminds me of a case when the parents sold their 9 year old daughter to some 24 old and it was ok because the parents gave their consent.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:35 No.5114697
    >>5114691
    The same way a girl who's 17 yo and 355 days can't give consent, parents can.

    Yet we are pretty sure that in some cases that girl would be more mature to give consent than the parents of a 9 yo kid.

    But you can't use one and ditch the other, that's not how it works. Sorry. You take both, or you take neither.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:36 No.5114699
    >>5114691
    It means they are also responsible. And even shittier because they're supposed to take care of their child. I'm imagining even if I were as stupid as this girl to let a shady guy beguile me into his bitch, my dad would've stopped him and my mom would've told his parents or boss.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:37 No.5114701
    >>5114686
    >call him a rapist anyway

    Actually no, I was using "the" as an indefinite article, as in "rapists", not "that guy in the journal".
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:38 No.5114706
    >>5114701
    Yet you said rapist, not rapists. What you said is already there.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:42 No.5114712
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    >>5114706
    I'm not going to argue with you if you don't understand the basics of what I'm even saying. No, I did not say he raped her. Yes, you are misconstruing what I said. Yes, I used proper grammar. No, you aren't going to "prove me otherwise".

    Instead of changing the subject, riddle me this: why do any of you care if you really think she's lying? Why are there no comments to the contrary on her Tumblr?
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:45 No.5114721
    >>5114712
    I don't have tumblr

    And I don't need to post it there, as it is common sense to think that someone is innocent until proven otherwise, and accusations without proof are dumb.

    Moreover, no one here supports rapists, nor men or women, the only thing that's been said is that she has no proof of being raped, how is that 'siding with the rapist(s)'?
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:46 No.5114723
    >>5114712
    She doesn't have a tumblr. Cookiedelicious posted is as a way to spread the warning she saw on Fandomsecrets.

    And if she's lying, what she does is libel and a crime, and also indirectly hurting actual rape victims.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:47 No.5114726
    >>5114712
    >why do any of you care if you really think she's lying?
    Um... because it is a crime?
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)00:55 No.5114739
    >>5114721
    Posts like these are. I only wish the whole thread was about seriously considering and debunking her story. Posts like these

    >>5114650
    >>5110685
    >>5110652
    >>5110666
    and more show that. /cgl/ may not be as bad as other boards about it, but it's prevalent on 4chan.


    >>5114723
    >>5114726
    Well, for the posts in this thread and the people reposting the message on their Tumblrs, I hope you guys figure out who's right and let someone know, possibly the authorities or TC if she is lying. I figure if she's lying or if he's raping, both of them are going to have it bite them in the ass eventually anyway at Youmacon.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)01:00 No.5114747
    >>5114739
    This one doesn't support rape: >>5114650 it just talks about how ridiculous it is to misuse the word 'consent'

    This is obvious trolling: >>5110685 and copypasta

    This points out that she thinks she's been raped now that she regrets having sex: >>5110652 it doesn't defend rape, it says that it's noteworthy the attitude behind her accusations

    This one doesn't defend rape either: >>5110666 instead it goes to show how easy it is to claim rape without proof and get people to believe you anyway

    In short, the only post which sides with 'rapist(s)' is a blatant troll which is copypasta.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)01:02 No.5114750
    >>5114739
    No one needs to prove that she's lying, it's her who needs to prove that she's right.

    If someone tomorrow claimed that God exists, but someone doesn't agree. Who's the one who needs to demonstrate his fact to the authorities?

    It boggles me how can you defend someone who accuses of a crime as serious as rape without any kind of proof, and even go as far as to attack those who just say that she needs proof to support her claims.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)01:09 No.5114766
    >>5114739
    So in 300 posts you found only one post that justifies rape, not to mention it's plain obvious trolling, and you complain that 'women' are siding with 'the rapist'.

    Makes perfect sense.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)02:08 No.5114885
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    Pic related. This shit.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)16:58 No.5116242
    wut.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)19:28 No.5116614
    >>5111373
    >if you are fourteen/fifteen,you cannot consent. period.

    peopleactuallybelievethis.jpg
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)23:33 No.5117457
    >>5113996
    JM's response on LJ
    >Responding here, because I won't go to the chan:

    >Remember what I said about him being manipulative?

    >He can't be "beyond" it all. Not when I and his other victims are still suffering every day for something he should be in jail for, and would be if our legal system wasn't incredibly hostile to victims of sexual abuse. He's a serial offender and I don't believe for a second that he's telling the truth about not continuing his behaviour.

    >My mother says that TC is not welcome to call her "mom" and that she wants nothing to do with him. He took advantage of my mother's trust, lied to her face, and now is trying to make me look bad by saying that I didn't treat her right? She let him live with us (on a completely different floor from me) because his work and school were far away from his parents' home and he didn't have a car. She did it to help him, and he promised repeatedly to act respectfully and she constantly tried to check up on him to make sure nothing bad was going on, but he disobeyed her rules behind her back and she burned all of her bridges with him after I finally was able to tell her what actually went on in our relationship.

    >My family is 100% behind me in this, and I resent that he's trying to act like it would be otherwise.

    >People deserve to know what he's done. I didn't handle the issue in context of Youmacon properly, and I'm amending that, but I refuse to apologize for coming public about what he is. He's dangerous, and until I magically lose the memories of every single time he assaulted me and how much pain that's caused in my life, he will never be "beyond" his actions.
    >> Anonymous 10/31/11(Mon)23:45 No.5117500
    >>5114460
    >women sure are full of shit when it comes to talking about rape

    Stories like this are why I assume that whenever someone cries rape, unless they went to the hospital the same day, the story is a complete lie. It's simple pattern recognition.
    >> Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)00:05 No.5117554
    >>5117457
    Oh, well, since your family is completely impartial on the matter and will completely objectively review the evidence BITCH WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING!?
    >> Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)00:11 No.5117575
    >>5117500
    Same here.

    Once a female friend of mine told me she'd been raped. I was ready to steal a gun, a car, and money for a lawyer just in case they traced the murder back to me. Then she said it wasn't rape so much as just attempted. And it it became harassment. Turns out, it was a slap on the ass. Not cool, but definitely not rape, not something I'd kill a guy over.

    This is what happens when women make false rape claims. I used to think rape was a serious issue. Now it's just another case of "boy cries wolf."
    >> Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)00:44 No.5117688
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    >>5117457
    It's funny that Judo is saying "OH, TC DIDN"T OBEY MY MOM'S RULES!!1!" Di doesn't have any rules, and her kids don't follow any of her minor suggestions. I've heard Judo herself tell her mom "fuck off you stupid bitch", while laughing at her, on many multiple occasions ("Do the dishes Judo", "Fuck you Mom! You do the dishes!", "....Okay...."). And now she's saying TC is the disrespectful one? HILARIOUS. Yes, TC didn't obey the "rules", but he was always respectful from what I saw, but Judo repeatedly told him not to obey anything. Here are a few things missing from this story thus far:

    1) Judo met TC at Youmacon 2006. She became a huge fangirl of his, and continually joked about wanting to rape him. She also joked repeatedly about how much she wanted other friends of hers to take advantage of him and rape him, all in good fun. This does not discount the fact that TC is a creep and loved all of the attention from 15 year old girls.

    2) As a way to "get him" and "win him over", Judo came up with the idea of TC moving in with her. She used him getting a place to stay as the reason he had to be her boyfriend. Yes, Judo was the one who "forced" TC to date her. He moved in BEFORE they started dating.

    3) Judo, following her mom's complete lack of boundaries, and complete need to be "the cool girlfriend/mother", insisted that TC make out with other girls. Again, TC is a total creep. Judo is a fucking nutcase though. The parents have no control. You should meet brother Josh (seriously, the kid will probably try and molest you upon saying hello, and the parents do absolutely nothing about it).
    >> Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)00:48 No.5117701
    4) Judo was the one of the group who was always pressuring people. She'd tell girls "Touch him there" and "Let him cuddle you" and "Let him lick you". Of course, TC was completely okay with all of this. I was one of the girls Judo was always pressuring to do things with TC. She would repeatedly tell him "You can never break up with me because I'm the only girlfriend who would ever want you to do this."

    5) TC was a complete mannipulative asshole as well. When Judo didn't want to take things to the next level, TC would say things like "Oh, I already did that to you when you were sleeping" or "we already had sex that one night don't you remember?" Everyone would laugh about this, because Judo said things like this all the time herself. However, Judo would get freaked out later. TC seemed to like pissing her off like this.

    6) Again, the parents were always oblivious, and never seemed to do anything about anything. Josh is a fucking psycho and I could barely even go over to her house because of him. Judo was the fangirl who put all the pressure on EVERYBODY. Tc was the creeper living the dream.
    >> Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)00:54 No.5117722
    These are from a forum that Judo had set up for the TC/Greed fangirls.

    QUOTES FROM JUDO BEFORE TC MOVED IN AND BEFORE SHE STARTED DATING TC:
    ----------------------------
    *pokes* You are way too famous for your own health. I mean, you have fangirls pratically hanging off of you. They're going to end up hunting you down, trapping you in a dark alley and raping you for crying out loud! *hides suspicious blueprints behind her back* Oh, and Kiri wants to know where you sleep at night... *cough* Stalker!Envy! *cough cough*

    -------
    XD That works. Perhaps we should arrage to rape you in an alley then, hmm? --Judo
    -----------------

    XD! Well said, Greed. Well said. But, my friends and I have a logical way of getting around that:

    It can be rape if both parties agree that it's rape. v.v *nods* So it can very well be called rape, even if you are willing. =P Besides, sex is so much more fun when you struggle. XD --Her inner hentai is showing.-- You again? I thought you had gone for good. --Not really. You just weren't on the computer for so long that it felt like I was gone.-- >> Yeah. Whatever. I need to stop reading smut...

    Ignoring my little schitzophrenic moment, I find it rather amusing that you mention that line. Kin told me of a little joke they had way back when, went something likethis:
    Ed: *being -ahem- violated by Envy* Help! Rape!
    ???: Silly Ed, you can't rape the willing.
    Ed: I'm not willing!
    Envy: I am!

    ^^ *bows* Quote is the property of the freak in the blue kimono, aka. my child/pet. >> --Judo

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    Yes, it is. X3 And it has been discovered and rape--er... Watched. ^^; Thanks so much for putting it up! --Judo
    >> Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)01:07 No.5117755
    >>5117575
    From what I observe, rape is either you tell it to people right away or you keep it bubbled for years that you got raped multiple times over a course of years by someone you're close to, like a boyfriend, a father, an uncle, an employer.

    The in-between is rare.
    >> Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)01:14 No.5117782
    >>5117688
    >You should meet brother Josh (seriously, the kid will probably try and molest you upon saying hello, and the parents do absolutely nothing about it).
    FUCK this reminds me of my landlady's 8-year old grandson who likes to grope people's tits and his family thinks it's adorable. I went to their house once and when this kid did it to me my reflex was to kick that little bastard so hard his head hit a cabinet. I'm not sorry then and not sorry now.
    >> Anonymous 11/01/11(Tue)07:55 No.5118289
    >>5117722

    What does this prove exactly? This forum has not been updated in years. She said some dumb shit on the internet when she was 15, I don't really feel like this forum makes the claims against TC any less legitimate. If anything, it shows how disturbing and depraved the whole harem thing was to begin with. TC really was the creep living the dream.



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