20% average looks and good personal hygiene
20% relatively bigger wardrobes
60% few irl friends so have time to establish internet persona

They are popular because of their wardrobes, looks, etc. They became popular because of posting to d_l and /cgl/.

I'd also like to know when. And why would wardrobes alone make them popular? And it can't just be d_l because infiniteneeya has a lot of brand and gorgeous coordinates but she only gets posted here sporadically and no jelly bitches rip her apart.
I want to know why cgl picks on some of the girls listed on OP's post and some are left alone. p_l never gets made of, mintymix's bad business practice pops up but whiteknights come and say she can do no wrong because she's cute, herajika gets picked on all the freaking time, jahr is bashed almost as much as herajika, chokelate's nuclear thing gets posted all the time, and cadney is called... I forgot.

>>4941964
i don't get why cgl relentlessly picks on some of the lolitas. they could be bashing the rude ones or someone like faerydragonet (she is just asking for it with her attitude and looks) but no, it's the ones who dress decently and seem nice who get picked on. idgi.

>>4941966
Because who cares if an ugly person is ugly inside as well as out? Nothing is interesting about that. But a person who dresses well and has enough money to buy a big wardrobe? Now that's something to talk about.

TBH this thread reeks of "how do I get well known"

>>4941964
people say cadney is fat and that her teeth are messed up :/ and that she photoshops her pictures. i've seen plenty of p_l bashing though.

also, i think it's interesting how sassystrawberry, lunie_chan, and many other girls I can think of have huge wardrobes equally rivaling the girls in OP but they don't get posted about nearly as much. so yeah I agree with >>4941945 that's mostly the time and effort put in to coordinates and persona.

>>4941992
to clarify, i remember there was a whole thread about p_l being spoiled and whether she got money from her boyfriend or her parents or whatever. there was a looooot of bashing in the thread.

>>4941938
Anon, now you made me curious. I don't really remember when there was a huge surge of posts about those lolitas that get mentioned. They just somehow popped up one day and get posted at least once a week. I am pretty sure herajika was posted here for awhile because some anon mentioned that cgl made fun of her for being greasy and now they make fun of her for her fat face (which I think is just round and normal for Asians).

>>4942061
No, I remember the first time she was posted...it was in an "awesome wardrobes" thread. After that was when the hate started and when people started saying her hair looked greasy.

>>4941964

They get bashed because they're from London and America and so easier to access and probably people who have met them also go and vent on /cgl/

lunie_chan and sassystrawberry and the others are too foreign to pick on. They're just being pretty from far far away imo

Infineetya is probably too new to be bashed. She only just popped up on the scene.

Personally I hate the culture of bashing popular lolitas. Their admirers dont make up for it. Things like that scar a person

>>4942083
It was just a post that gave a link to her flickr saying they thought she had the best wardrobe hands down.

people saved the link and posted it in other threads and looked at her d_l posts, I guess. Some people got jelly. it happens

Because /cgl/ is full of low self-esteemed people who for some reason need to pick on other girls who have anything to do with lolita.

Also, people love to jump on hate bandwagons.

Girls are pitiful things some times.

>>4941992
>also, i think it's interesting how sassystrawberry, lunie_chan, and many other girls I can think of have huge wardrobes equally rivaling the girls in OP but they don't get posted about nearly as much.
agreed
>that's mostly the time and effort put in to coordinates and persona.
but sassystrawberry and lunie also put a lot of time into their coordinates from what i see. and what personas do the people in op's post have? i find them to be the same as sassy or lunie.

anyone else find it funny that popular lolitas are friend with other popular lolitas? how does that even happen?

>>4942083
I'm surprised that she hasn't made it private since she knows what cgl says about her.

>>4942125
maybe she likes to flaunt it to make the jelly folks at cgl even more angry and then laugh at their stupidity. on a more serious note, if she likes sharing her wardrobe, why should she stop doing something that she enjoys?

>>4942112
mmm I think the people in OP spent more time "networking" I guess you might say? Which goes into the whole persona thing.

Also goes with what >>4942090 says about cgl being rather American and British centered. Because the girls in OP more likely have met lots more of the people that post on cgl. Chokelate (Euro) was mostly only posted in d_l threads until she got a trip here and then everyone talked about her foreverrr, because they knew more about her and could gossip now.

That's my theory anyway lol

>>4942138
cgl is of the opinion that you should cave in when people are jealous of you, and just dissapear from the face of the internet. Otherwise you're just asking for the abuse :/

>>4942149
I can see what you mean since mintymix was everywhere for awhile. does she still go to cons? And your point about chokelate make sense too. cadney, herajika, and p_l goes to meets but what about jahr? I'm in the LA lolita group and she never comes to a meet up so I don't think it's people who met her who have a vendetta against her. Actually I don't think it's people irl have post ugly things about them here because most people who claim to have met them only say nice things.

>>4942159
well that's dumb. i'm proud of the girls who keep on doing what they do despite what cgl says. some might say they're stupid and asking for it but i think it shows that they have enough confidence to not give a damn.

>>4942174
I feel the same. Why should they change themselves because of what some anons say, they're not doing anything wrong.

/cgl/ has jack all to do with pixie_late, mintymix, herajika, cadney or jahr and their fame, theirs mostly come from d_l and in the case of mintymix beause of her selling those cupcake ring things.

Chokelate tripfags here massively.

>>4942164
Oh yeah I agree - maybe it starts with people who met them irl who post them in inspiration threads with good intentions, and other anons who have not met them get jelly and start posting nasty things. That's very believable to me.

I reallyyyy think there must be one or two specific people that have vendettas against jahr. To sustain that level of hatred idk. I've seen vicious comments about her that I don't think just some random person would make.

>>4942179
But lots of people have tons of d_l comments and are never ever posted on cgl.

>>4942179
that makes sense for most of them but jahr's popularity never made sense.
p_l and herajika have awesome coordinate skills and are gorgeous, chokelate has great coordinates and is beautiful, cadney is ok looking but she is great at ott sweet, but jahr is ugly and has no fashion sense. she even made me gag seeing her silent moon and rose basket coordinates and they are two of my dream dresses. i wonder if people on d_l are just being nice to her saying they like her coordinates.

>>4942185
>I reallyyyy think there must be one or two specific people that have vendettas against jahr. To sustain that level of hatred idk. I've seen vicious comments about her that I don't think just some random person would make.
or have you thought that maybe she deserves those comments? she must have done something to spark people off.

>>4942185
>Oh yeah I agree - maybe it starts with people who met them irl who post them in inspiration threads with good intentions, and other anons who have not met them get jelly and start posting nasty things. That's very believable to me.
I agree with you 100%. Sometimes I post herajika on inspiration threads because she is an inspiration for me and then people just start posting rude comments about her or say that I'm self-posting.

Some people on cgl are ridiculous.

>>4942195
p_l and herajika are gorgeous? LOL

and then the hate begins lol

>>4942207
idk about herajika but everyone on cgl loves pixie_late.

>>4942195
I like p_l and herajika's coords better, but I think jahr's coords are good too - and I'm being 100% honest. I thought the Flower Basket coord looked great on her (would've looked even better with some pretty tights though imo).

and I think her Silent Moon one was nice apart from the semi-boobloaf (but she said that too so w/e). I really like her style IDK. So I don't think the comments are "just being nice" - otherwise why wouldn't everyone get that many comments.

>>4942195
I don't know what your case is but you reek of jealousy.

>>4942229
i am >>4942195
can you please tell me what makes jahr's coordinates good? nothing about her posts make her stand out, which is why i never understood all the attention she got. like the flower basket coordinate, she just threw on a vest and that's it. what's so great about it?

>>4942201
Okayyy I'll try to phrase it more neutrally. With other popular lolitas, I feel like it is many different jealous anons who do not know the person IRL who post things like "she looks fat in that picture" / "her hair is greasy" / "what did she do to get all that money" etc etc

While I'm sure jahr gets some of those comments from random anons, there are certain comments sometimes which go beyond that and make me think someone is really, really malicious towards jahr here. For whatever reason. I have no idea if it is a justified reason or not obviously. That's what I meant by vendetta.

>>4942195
I feel the same way about you when I see jahr. I don't think I'm jealous but I never saw her appeal. Like you said, she's not a looker and her coordinates are ok at best. What makes me a bit angry with jahr is that she has all these dresses and she still looks bad. When people mention here how brand doesn't equal looking good, she's who I think of immediately. And I don't think this because I think I deserve her clothes more than her. I see it as she has this potential to make good outfits but she comes up with crappy to mediocre coords.

>>4942254
Not the one you are responding to but I think jahr has it easier on cgl than pixie_late and herajika. The worst I've read about jahr was "She's fat/has a fat face/doesn't deserve her brand" whereas pixie_late was accused of using her boyfriend just to get brand and herajika gets made fun of for her looks, someone even accused her of sleeping with men to afford her stuff, and even mocked her boyfriend.

>>4942246
Flower Basket - I like the way the vest works with the dress - the shape of it, the layers? I personally would never have looked at that vest on a rack and been like "OH that will coordinate perfectly with Flower Basket!" And I like the flow of the headpiece thing (I think she said it was a scarf) and the texture of the shoes. I just think it all works together in a really cool way...idk. The only part I don't like is the bare legs because they kinda stand out too much to me, that's why I think it would have looked better with tights.

I mean it's fine if you don't like her style, not trying to force it on you or anything. I'm just explaining why I like it.

>>4941938
can someone direct me to jahr's livejournal or something, please?

>>4942254
what maliciousness are you talking about? people just call her fat and make fun of her face. you have to admit that she's pretty ugly. i don't think you're being malicious if you're being honest.

>>4942277
There's been multiple "investigative" threads over the past few months where people try to figure out how she buys her brand though and there was things there about her being a rich bitch and spoiled and her parents buying her everything. Also like the number of threads...I swear one time I came on to cgl and there were four threads all bashing jahr at close to the same time (all within the first 4 or 5 pages because that's all I check).

That it's so extreme is what weirds me out though. Like I posted jahr in a d_l concrit thread once (I mostly liked the outfit but there were a few little things I didn't like and I said so) and within 15 minutes there were 3 comments that were entirely about "how fat her face was", except they were all like a paragraph long. I don't see people that mad about herajika or anyone.

>>4942308
She's not really fat though if she fits into Mary Magdalene?

I guess it's just like...the amount of mad some people are. I wouldn't think it was malicious if people were sometimes like "Her face is wide/fat/unattractive".

But it's *whenever* I see a picture of jahr posted I immediately see many comments of FATFACE!!!! Often followed by tl;dr rants on how she doesn't deserve any of her brand and how fat she is. I just think it's weird how outraged they are sometimes. Not saying that everyone who dislikes Jahr has a vendetta.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE LINK ME TO JAHR'S LJ?!?!

>>4942350
are you that dumb that you can't even find it yourself? gosh.

>>4942356
Are you so stupid to not realize "jahr" is a german word, so nothing but weird German lolita links come up?

>>4942365
I lol'd. jahrhundert @ livejournal

but her blog with her outfits is http://lolita.raison-detre.org/

>>4942365
and what's the point of knowing her lj?

>>4941938

you can't find her because her username isn't jahr, it's jahrhundert.

>>4942369
Thank you!
And personally I dunno what you guys are talking about, her face is wide, but she's cute in her own way. And honestly I don't think she's fat. How tall is she?

>>4942323
it disgusts me how people try to find out about everything they can about hte popular lolitas. what will they do to find out? will they try to find out where they work? live? how much income they make?
and who cares if some of them get money from their parents or if their parents are well off? good for them then!

>>4942335
MM has pretty large measurements. I don't get why people think the brand is for tiny people when it's actually really big.

>>4942416
Depends on what you define as large, but these days it's like a 34" bust and a 27" waist max I guess. They aren't "burst my ribcage" anymore but I wouldn't define them as large, babys and AP go a lot larger.

>>4942416

An 88cm bust is 'really big'? Troll harder.

>>4942428
Yes it is. All of my friends and I have measurements considerably smaller. Just because Americans are so large doesn't mean the rest of the world is. My measurements are 76 cm bust and 50 cm waist and I'm one of the bigger ones in my group of friends. In Japan, MM's measurements are larger than the average measurements for girls.

How come no one investigates how much chokelate makes or how cadney affords her brand? I'm surprised that no one makes accusations of cadney only being with her boyfriend for his money since he bought her milky planet. we all know he paid more than retail since he bought it after it came out.

>>4942459
americans also aren't fucking midgets with bird bones. hth

>>4942459
Haha, an Asian claiming to have a 10 inch difference between their bust and waist. It's like you're not even trying.

>>4942496
>>4942459
Japanese women have the most fucked up concept of fat and scary views on skinniness all together.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/04/AR2010030401436.html?sid=ST201003070
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>>4942490
But the girl we are talking about is Asian.

>>4942428
The measurements of the dress are 88 cm bust 68 cm waist. That's chubby any way you look at it :/

>>4942462
i would like to kno how much chokelate makes. how much do average models make?

>>4942516
it's not just the japanese. i'm asian and my relatives think that 40 kg is too fat for a girl and they really don't care about how tall you are. so looking from an asian perspective, jahr is very fat.

>>4942541
Not very much. You have to pay a big part of your salary to your agency.

Kammie/MintyMix is the sweetest girl I've met goddamn I wanted to hug and kiss her up so bad. I ran into her at Anime Expo this year and she was in a group with other lolitas. I asked for her picture and gave me a hug and called me cute. Called ME cute.

>mfw

>>4942543
If it wasn't clear, I was answering the "how much does an average model make", not "how much does chokelate make". I don't know how much she specifically makes lol. You could ask her on tumblr if you desperately wanted to know.

>>4942546
i call that good marketing skills.

I want to be a popular lolita. I think I dress just as good as the ones listed here or even better. Why do I not get as many comments as them? Do they only get that many because they already are popular?

>>4942554
Selfpost in the next d_l concrit thread and see what people really think.

>>4942543
Depends on the agency/country and the time of the year, it also depends on what kind of work you usually do. In Paris I only get 25% of what I make, but I get 50% of what I make a year later (taxes that the agency takes wich I don't even have to pay... fuckers). During fashionweek you don't make money, but when it's catalog and campaign season there is a big chance you make enough to last the whole year, that is.. if it's outside of Paris. It's kind of shitty when you get a 12k job and only receive 1,5k because of your own expenses and the rediculous fees.

Right now I'm focussing on more commercial jobs, I lost a lot of money because I couldn't work and repairing my hair cost a lot of money too. In November it will be catalog and campaign season in Barcelona, so I will definitely go there then (hopefully I'll shoot something for Zara or Mango *o*) and right now we'll just have to see how the ship sails.
It's difficult when your income is so unpredictable, so I try to save up as much money as possible for when times are more difficult. That's also the reason why my closet isn't that big, it's more important for me to have a bit of a buffer than to have 40 pretty dresses.

>>4941938
Looking at past entries, they were always popular. pixie_late, chokelate, mintymix, and herajika at least gets 100 comments every entry. cadney_chan at least gets 70. I think jahr isn't popular at all because her comment counts are pretty low. So I don't know why people consider her popular. I think she is only popular on cgl.

>>4942554

How many unique comments do you get per post?

>>4942572
or why don't you get an education and a steady job like the rest of the girls with large wardrobes?

>>4942572
WOW that's a lot of money! I'm sure it's hard work being a model but that's more money than I make. With how much you get paid per job, I can just do modeling stints and be set for the year. Too bad I don't have the height, body, or looks for it lol.

And what happened to your hair? Why couldn't the photographers just use a wig? I notice that they use a lot of wigs and extensions in shoots. Good luck with Zara and Mango. Do you ever want to model for a couture brand? If you do, which brand do you want to model for the most?

>>4942578
You can also suck dick to buy your brand.

>>4942539
I agree. I don't know why people on egl and cgl complain they will never fit into MM. Their measurements are very forgiving and unless you are very fat, you can fit into it. I don't get how some people are too fat for brand. Angelic Pretty and Baby's measurements are huge.

>>4942588
>I don't get how some people are too fat for brand
Because they're too fat for brand. But seriously though brand measurements are way more forgiving now than they were years ago.

>>4942572
>so I try to save up as much money as possible for when times are more difficult. That's also the reason why my closet isn't that big, it's more important for me to have a bit of a buffer than to have 40 pretty dresses.

And you're implying that other girls aren't as money savvy as you?

>>4942539
it's not chubby, anorexic cunt. shut the fuck up.

>>4942598
lol are you stupid?
That's not what she said at all, she was saying she could have a big closet, but she would rather not since her income is unstable.
Stop trying to shit stir.

>>4942610
But it's so fun to ;(

>>4942539
LOL I'm 5'9" and 120 pounds, and my bust is not 88 cm, most likely due to my ribcage since my boobs are almost nonexistent.
Troll harder.

>>4942598
No she's just saying that she has a preference to save due to the volatility of her income. Other girls may have more stable incomes so they can more easily budget for their 40 dresses.

>>4942600
not the person you are talking to but i agree that it is chubby. and just because people think it is, doesn't mean we're anorexic. then are all the japanese models anorexic? they have ads for dieting to reduce from 40 kg to 38 kg and sometimes lower. if you ask any japanese or asian person, those measurements will be quite big. where i live, a size large is a 64 cm waist so in comparison, 68 is really big and you are chubby.

>>4942539
OH YEAH LOOK AT THAT FUCKING CHUBBSTER

No, seriously you girls sicken me. We come in all shapes and sizes and people have different body structures and compositions. A 26" waist girl is usually not chubby (unless she is very very short), they might be a bit skinny-fat but chubby?

You don't have to look like an asian gyaru model to not be considered fat/chubby. 26-27" is still somewhat thin.

I think people like you really need to work on body images because that shit aint healthy.

i like how everyone always calls jahr a cow and fat and then when she wears a dress with certain measurements and people say that those measurements are large, they are called anorexic.

oh hypocrisy. cgl can always be relied for it.

>88 cm bust 68 cm waist
Those are exactly my measurements. I'm "normal" with some chub here and there.
But surely not fat or simply chubby

>>4942624
Where the hell do you live?

>>4942624 a size large is a 64 cm waist so in comparison, 68 is really big
That's completely retarded. L being 64cm? Are you high? That's crazy even for asian gyaru standards.

>>4942632
i don't want to give away who i am so let's just say an asian country.

>>4942624
i'm assuming you're short as fuck, then.
>ask any asian
chinese person right here.
i'm only about five foot six, and my waist is 26.5"
man, i should really stay off the rice /sarcasm

>>4942516
Lol, tweeted this for PT's enjoyment.

>>4942629
jahr looks like a cow but i think she just has a fat face and her pictures always make her look like she has no neck. i think she's just unlucky in her body shape. more frumpy than fat, i'd say.

>>4942637
I wouldn't be surprised. I taught English at Korea and their sizes were ridiculous. I couldn't buy any pants that I liked because their large usually ran from 68 to 72 cm and chubby me is at 74 cm. Even if the waist fit, my butt was too big.

>>4942575
Because I'm not able to go to a regular school like most people, I need special care when it comes to education and to be honest, there's nothing so far that has interested me so much to study it for 4 years either.

>>4942648
you don't know what frumpy is until you've seen this girl.

>>4942655
Is that jahr?

Regardless, where's her petti?

>>4942648
i know jahr irl and she has a really short neck and she knows it too. it's one of her complexes about her body.

>>4942655
oh lol i remember her
she's the one who loves JM but can't properly fit into any of it

>>4942658
No it's tsu. http://daily-lolita.livejournal.com/?poster=tsu_

>>4942638
Because there's only you in that asian country?
Or are you implying that you are ~*E-famous*~ and it would be so ~*scandalous*~
No seriously, I was anorexic at a 60cm waist my bones were sticking out almost everywhere and could barely sleep due to discomfort. Not everyone has the same build and especially not if you compare white girls and asian girls.

However I doubt all or almost all asians are so small that they would be too small for every single brand except for ETC's child sizes, because you know, it's somewhat hard to find dresses that are a perfect fit for you at a 62-64cm waist and you won't find any smaller unless you go for pieces that are 5 or more years old from the classic brands. AP has at least 70cm waist 90cm bust as a standard these days and going a lot larger with shirring. Do you really think they would make them that big if all the japanese lolitas were too small for them?
Your argument is flawed.

>>4942670
but mm is a japanese brand and their customers are mostly japanese. and i think slimmer people are into classic lolita than sweet.

wtf is this. i don't even...

>>4942677
And now I legitimately have a reason to hate jahr.

>>4942677

a dumpy cardigan sweater on a really expensive skirt.

Yup.

>>4942673
Yes MM is a japanese brand, with waist measurements around 68-72cm, not 64 at largest.

>>4942628
por favor source!

>>4942678
because _tsu is coordinating puppet circus badly?

>>4942660
you can't leave us hanging! tell us more. what is she insecure about? if she's so insecure, why does she take pictures and post online? does she sleep around for money? what does she do for a living? did she go to college? are her parents rich? how did you meet her? spill the beans.

>>4942686
Oh. I thought it was jahr. I'll just go back to my healthy jelly mode again.

>>4942629
I am also amused. I think most people think jahr is fat due to her round face, big arms and legs, but she probably has a small body.

The standard size in Japan is a size 9/M size.

Size 9 is bust 86-88, waist 66-68, hips 90-93.

Now shut the fuck up.

>>4942683
Sorry, got her off one of /fit/s fitgirl threads. U_U Here, have an apology, more "chub"

>>4942687
Not the anon who knows jahr but stfu.

i want to see what all the popular lolitas own. does kammie, jahr, chokelate, or cadney have a flickr or poupee?