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  • File : 1314480189.jpg-(19 KB, 300x505, DocHolliday.jpg)
    19 KB Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)17:23 No.4898893  
    Hey /cgl/,

    /fa/ here. I want to cosplay Doc Holliday from Tombstone (Val Kilmer not the Dennis Quaid one). I was going to go raid goodwill and get an old suit but does anyone have any suggestions? Tutorials for making a cowboy hat?

    Thanks cugull.
    >> Storm Petrel !HQmqe0QeaQ 08/27/11(Sat)17:26 No.4898907
    Buy a stetson. Don't make the hat. Every girl likes a man with a stetson.
    >> Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)17:29 No.4898919
    I might be able to help via the teaching of Westernfella. How much money are you wanting to spend?
    >> Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)17:35 No.4898932
    >>4898919

    It depends. I have plenty of money and credit cards it 's really about how much I want to spend. I just don't know where to start with the outfit.
    >> Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)17:39 No.4898945
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    Seriously? Just go to a western wear store. It's not rocket science.
    >> Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)17:43 No.4898952
    >>4898945

    No. Wrong retard. Have you ever even been in one of these places? He's cosplaying Doc Holliday not Garth Brooks.
    >> Storm Petrel !HQmqe0QeaQ 08/27/11(Sat)17:46 No.4898961
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    Here.

    http://www.browncoats.com/index.php?ContentID=431e4b510641f

    Firefly fans have been really good about getting patterns of old (~1865) clothing. You'll also find links to better stores from here.

    Hope this helps, and good luck with Doc, huckleberry.
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/27/11(Sat)17:46 No.4898964
    >>4898945
    Although I love my modern western wear stores. Its not the same.

    Here are some links WF gave in a thread once for the more traditional western garb.


    www.riverjunction.com/

    www.gentlemansemporium.com/gentlemans.php

    www.wwmerc.com

    www.westernleatherholster.com/authentic-old-west-holsters/

    beaverbrandhats.com/
    >> Storm Petrel !HQmqe0QeaQ 08/27/11(Sat)17:49 No.4898971
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    Also, here:

    http://www.wwmerc.com/cgi-bin/Category.cgi?category=home&type=store

    I don't have anymore cowboy pics, so here's some steampunk.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)17:58 No.4899000
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    >>4898893

    Well, this is one of those things that's got a big price range. Ranging from some thrift store clothing that vaguely looks like something a gambler would wear, to some damn fine tailor made clothing.

    A western wear store isn't where you want to go. "Western" style's changed a lot over the years, and since the 30's and 40's it's been re-marketed to what you see on country music folks today. Historically westerners generally adhered to Victorian dress code with a slightly looser dress code and some additional garment types at their disposal. So you want to be looking for Victorian clothing rather than modern western wear.

    If you're going with the thrift store route, keep your eyes open for tuxedo clothing. It's not perfect, but it's the only clothing we still wear today that resembles original Victorian gear, the shirt especially. Really it's touch and go if that's the route you're going...just study Doc's clothing in the movie and match it close as you can.

    If you're going the expensive route, which I'd only recommend doing if you plan on wearing this stuff outside of costume events, we can get a lot more specific. At this point, you're getting more into buying old fashioned men's wear instead of costume clothing. I've got a few links here somewhere that link to a few places you can get ahold of some nice things. Do a little study on Victorian and Old West clothing to get your bearings. It's designed a little differently than what we wear today.

    As for your hat, don't get a typical cattleman styled stetson. Doc ,and really, most historical and movie gunfighters, don't wear your typical ten gallon hat. Picture attached is what Val Kilmer wore in Tombstone. If you like, I can go into some detail on all this jazz if you like. Really depends on whether or not you're going to depends on how you're planning on using the clothing.
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/27/11(Sat)18:01 No.4899014
    >>4899000
    What kind of hat is Clint Eastwood wearing at the end of the good the bad and the ugly?
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)18:03 No.4899018
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    >>4898971
    >>4898964

    Much appreciated, Smoker.

    Take a look around these places, OP. They've got the kind of clothes you're looking for. Make sure you pay attention to gunleather too. It can get awful expensive, but it's worth it if you plan on putting it to use. If you're just wanting something for costuming sake, you might even be able to make it, with a little leather working skill. Doc wears a shoulder holster instead of a gunbelt most of the time, which would be both more affordable, and easier to make.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)18:08 No.4899031
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    >>4899014

    That's always been my favorite hat. He wore it throughout the dollar's trilogy. It's what you'd call a gambler hat. They've got a low telescope crown (About 4 inches), and a medium size brim 3 to 3 1/2 inches. His has a thin ribbon bound edge and what you call either a pencil or kettle curl (The way the edge is curled up around the brim).

    The beaver one I had made is in the same style.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)18:10 No.4899040
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    >>4899031

    Here's my hat. Made the hatband to resemble Eastwood's. His crown has a mild pinch in the front in a few of the movies, but looks round round in others. I went without one. Hell of a hat. Looks good and is tough as nails.
    >> Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)18:12 No.4899046
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    >>4899018
    >gunleather

    Custom gunleather - in Western showy style, especially - is fucking EXPENSIVE. If you don't have a dozen 800-1000$ revolvers in a 1200$ gun case, you're probably not loaded or devoted enough to drop several hundred dollars (minimum) on custom-tooled western gunleather.

    For cosplay? Make a fake leather gunbelt yourself, or buy a real one that's been heavily, heavily used on some auction site for el cheapo.
    >> Doc 08/27/11(Sat)18:15 No.4899061
    I'm just going to go the thrift store way but thanks for the advice and links though guys. I think I will look around those links too after I watch the movie again.
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/27/11(Sat)18:16 No.4899068
    >>4899031
    >>4899040
    Thanks WF. Been looking into getting one for quite a while. Hopefully Paris hatters will have one, if not I'm gonna have ta order it online.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)18:21 No.4899082
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    >>4899046

    That's about the gyst of it. It's not worth picking up unless you're going to put it to proper use. The gunleather fella in the links smoker posted is who I use. You can end up waiting half a year and paying about 300 dollars more or less, depending on the level of decoration requested. It far outdoes what you can get out of cheaper leather. The real beauty is in the performance.

    Picture attached is the rig he made me. Cartridge belt for the shotgun is the top belt.
    >> ♠Todd♣ !V//////Mxg 08/27/11(Sat)18:25 No.4899088
    >>4899082
    Hello WF,

    I've always wanted to ask you this. Do you dress western everyday? Just wondering. Thanks!

    Love,
    John
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)18:27 No.4899098
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    >>4899068

    Nothing wrong with that. If you do have to order one, Beaver Brand hats does one hell of a job. Mine ran about 270, and the hatter will make just about anything you can dream up if you talk to him. Only takes two weeks or so, too.

    It's a shame, but most hat stores don't carry gambler hats. Just shelf after shelf of cattleman creases. Picture related. Never appealed to me for some reason. Always looked goofy.
    >> Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)18:31 No.4899107
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    >>4899082

    Oi, that is indeed a gorgeous rig. It's too dangerous for me to buy pretty leather just for cosplay, because then I'll see this Vaquero that matches it *so well* and next thing you know I'm spending rent money.

    It's so stuffy in that store. They want to roam free, on the range. They call to me. But I am poor.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)18:32 No.4899109
    >>4899088

    You bet. There's some variation, and it might dip into throwing in some modern jeans or 40's era suit from time to time. But that's what's typical, yes.

    I'll tell you, wearing a vest and jacket in this 113 degree heat can get a little nasty, but it's not as bad as you'd expect.
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/27/11(Sat)18:32 No.4899112
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    >>4899098
    I agree, they look silly beyond belief, and everyone wears them.But, paris hatters sells top hats and derbies on top of the more western hats. So I'll make a trip down there between classes at some point. If they have one similar I'll prolly do a dance and buy it right off em'. If not, I'll go to your hat guy.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)18:35 No.4899117
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    >>4899107

    Those Ruger Vaqueros are damn fine. Use a Cimarron (Uberti) Model P, myself. Going to get some matching bone grips for it soon.

    And to continue contributing to the thread...an interesting poster of Lee Van Cleef.
    >> ♠Todd♣ !V//////Mxg 08/27/11(Sat)18:36 No.4899120
    >>4899109
    Hello WF,

    Will you post pictures of some of your outfits?

    Thanks,
    John
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/27/11(Sat)18:37 No.4899127
    >>4899109
    >levi 501's
    >only own one vest
    >pin stripe suit
    >bought a new leather jacket
    >wear blazers and sports coats anyway

    The heat can fucking admire how awesome I look. fuck you 104 degrees.

    God damn, WF, I am pissed that I am not going to a-fest now. I guess A-kon is the next time.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)18:41 No.4899134
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    >>4899120

    Unfortunately I don't usually take many pictures. Everytime I have been caught in front of a camera's been posted here, so what I've got laying around probably ain't anything new. I'd be glad to take a picture or two later though of something I can come up with.
    >> ♠Todd♣ !V//////Mxg 08/27/11(Sat)18:44 No.4899144
    >>4899127
    That's why I like the fall and the winter. Winter clothes are so much more fashionable than summer clothes.
    >> ♠Todd♣ !V//////Mxg 08/27/11(Sat)18:45 No.4899150
    >>4899134
    Hello WF,

    Goddamnit.

    Love,
    John
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)18:50 No.4899158
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    >>4899150

    Sincerest apologies John, my boy. I'll set you up with an example shortly. Here's another hat in the meantime.
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/27/11(Sat)18:51 No.4899161
    >>4899158
    This thread is getting slowly becoming more and more like tf2.
    >> Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)18:52 No.4899167
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    >>4899117

    Quite. I've been lusting for an Uberti blackpowder revolver for a good while now. Probably a Remington New Army, because they have, you know, a top strap. And the price is terribly, terribly tempting.

    For the thread, character art from /tg/. Always loved this picture; not strictly a historical western outfit, but the feel is there, nonetheless. I'd love to do a cosplay like this.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)18:57 No.4899177
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    >>4899161

    Don't catch the meaning. Missed out on TF2. That aside, reckon we might cause some mischief at A-kon.

    >>4899167

    Aren't those blackpowder prices tempting? I've been eyeballing their Colt Navy and that Man With No Name convereted remington.

    You folks who are interested in this sort of clothing ought to take a look at the frock coat. It's been replaced by the sack coat today, but they're one of my favorite coat styles. Picture's of mine. Took a lot of trips to the tailor to get this one right.
    >> Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)19:00 No.4899189
    >>4899161

    WF does remind me of Saxton Hale a little.
    >> Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)19:04 No.4899196
    >>4899177

    Ah, thanks. I'll look into it. Far as I'm concerned, a good coat can really make an outfit; it's just one piece of clothing but it can really enhance an otherwise average outfit (or a bad one can pull down an otherwise good one.)
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/27/11(Sat)19:07 No.4899200
    >>4899177
    After a few years of tf2 being out they introduced hats, items that were randomly awarded that did nothing but look pretty. The core gameplay is still good, but the advent of HATS people got angry because the dev team puts more effort into new hats than into the core game.

    And our shenanigans will be overly note worthy.

    That coat is beautiful.

    >>4899189
    He could pull it off if he wasnt so busy being a gun slinger.
    >> ♠Todd♣ !V//////Mxg 08/27/11(Sat)19:07 No.4899201
    >>4899177
    Okay WF, I'm just gonna cut to the chase. How much do you think your whole wardrobe is worth? And what all do you own?
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)19:08 No.4899203
    >>4899196

    I'd agree with that. I'm no fashion expert, but fit's the most important part, I'd say. Whatever it is you're wearing, you want to make sure it fits well.

    >>4899189

    Got the same last name as me. Little spelling variation, but funny anyhow.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)19:44 No.4899261
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    Alright John. Had to wait for that camera to get itself going. Here's what happens to be on today.
    >> ♠Todd♣ !V//////Mxg 08/27/11(Sat)19:50 No.4899278
    >>4899261
    Sharp. Do people look at you or talk to you on the streets?

    Also (>>4899201)
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)20:18 No.4899370
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    >>4899278

    Sure. Almost all the time it's pretty positive feedback. Old folks say it reminds them of the clothing their grandparents wore, kids ask what a vest is and why my pants are so high up. I've observed that a pretty high percentage of folks always say they'd like to dress this way, or something similar but don't because no one else does. It's a real shame. Ought to do it anyway.

    >>4899201

    I've got a good deal of clothes and whatnot. Aside from western clothing and shooting I'm also into Medieval Martial Arts. So if you count the armor and weapons as wardrobe we can start out at about 4000. Clothing wise...I guess it's higher up there than I'd like to admit. That frock coat up there is a 600 dollar piece. Reckon I've got 300-400 dollars worth of pants. Maybe 500 in shirts of one kind or another. That Yuma vest (The one with the diamond pattern) is the only one in existence I know of and cost 300. Guess I've got maybe another 150 in vests. Pocket watch is worth about 140. My favorite hat is about 300, the cheaper ones are 100 a piece or so. Two good pairs of boots, the Luchesse ones (Picture related) were 300, boulet ones were 200. Gunleather amounts to about 600. Guns amount to 1300 altogether. Got a few dusters that weren't too expensive, reckon around 120 for both. Plenty of other knick knacks and little things to accompany all this. I'd estimate maybe 5200 minus armor and other bits of clothing.
    >> ♠Todd♣ !V//////Mxg 08/27/11(Sat)20:25 No.4899387
    >>4899370
    >$5200

    Damn... My whole wardrobe probably cost like $1000 -_-
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)20:31 No.4899406
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    >>4899387

    Sounds like a lot, but I've been at this for quite some time. Reckon it'll only get worse too. See, I think the clothes are more comfortable than a lot of what's popular today anyhow. Don't know why they quit making em' like this. Pants especially. They're a little odd because they're got suspender buttons all around the top, no belt loops, and a built in adjuster in the back.
    >> Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)20:46 No.4899443
    I thought Frock Coats were knee-length?
    >> Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)20:50 No.4899454
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    >>4899261
    Goddammit you are so classy. I wish men still dressed like this, or something similar. Major props to you or dressing how you want and not caring if other people disapprove or think its 'weird.'
    >> ♠Todd♣ !V//////Mxg 08/27/11(Sat)20:54 No.4899462
    >>4899454
    I feel like it's the men version of lolita. Not literally men lolita, but you know what I mean.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)20:56 No.4899468
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    >>4899443

    Not necessarily. They vary in length and sometimes have different names for different lengths, although from mid thigh to at the knee is the most common. The one I wear is about mid-thigh length. What defines a frock coat concerns the construction and cut of the coat more than the length. It needs to have the back panels, a waist seam, and tails with decorative buttons.

    A short frock coat, one that'd fall roughly to the bottom of your ass, is often called a town coat. I was always partial to these too. I'd like to get a new one made soon.

    On the other end of the spectrum is a rifle frock, which is an ankle length frock coat. Most folks mistake these for a duster. A duster, however, is usually an unlined canvas or linen long coat with simple construction made to keep dust and dirt off your nice clothes.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)20:59 No.4899474
    >>4899462

    Christ, I hope not. I guess it seems like I'd be awfully concerned with em' constantly, but in the end clothing is just clothing. Reckon it deserves some attention, but it's nothing to obsess over.
    >> Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)21:02 No.4899478
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    >rifle frock
    >ankle length

    WELP, I know what I'm shopping for.
    >> Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)21:03 No.4899480
    >>4898893

    Where do you live? There is an amazing hidden little costume store in Marietta Georgia (outside the Atlanta perimeter) that rents historical costume pieces, including leather gun holsters, leather cowboy boots, gun replicas, hats, ect. Basically those costume pieces that none of us own and don't have the skills to make.

    My boyfriend rented gun holsters, guns, and boots for a firefly cosplay for dragon con next week for $40. Mind you we have them for the whole week.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)21:09 No.4899488
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    >>4899468

    Here's a rifle frock. I'll show a duster next.

    >>4899454

    Much obliged. I will admit that, with the exception of the occasional suit or jeans, modern fashion ain't my thing. Especially the obsession with the lower than dirt waistline.
    >> Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)21:09 No.4899489
    >>4899462
    >I feel like it's the men version of lolita.

    No, no, no, not at all.

    The men version of lolita is guns. Visit /k/ sometime.

    >Oh my, he bought a Glock? What a clunky and inelegant gun! Fufufufufufufu~
    >My Sig is EXPENSIVE so it's GOOD unlike all you VAPID WHORES who use CHEAP GUNS and put laser sights on them to cover up how ugly they are! I hate you and now I'm going to post on /k/ about how much I hate you!

    Avoid.
    >> ♠Todd♣ !V//////Mxg 08/27/11(Sat)21:10 No.4899493
    >>4899488
    so how did you get into this fashion?
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)21:14 No.4899507
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    Here's a link to a nice one. You can find it cheaper, I bet. Look around for a WAH Maker rifle frock. If you get it, plan on going to a seamstress to get it tailored to your measurements. WAH maker's stuff is about as nice as you can get without going to a high end tailor. After a trip to the tailor you can have it looking awfully nice.

    http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/store/000585.php?__utma=1.1828857372.1314156360.1314480033.1314493
    440.10&__utmb=1.4.10.1314493440&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1314156360.1.1.utmcsr=(di
    rect)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none)&__utmv=-&__utmk=232028575

    And here's an odd picture of an advertisement for a linen duster.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)21:17 No.4899512
    >>4899493

    Have been for a while. Probably started with watching spaghetti westerns and American made westerns like Pat Garrett and Billy the kid when I was younger. Guess I saw the clothing and figured I'd do it. Simple as that. Sort of ran in the family too, on top of that.
    >> Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)21:19 No.4899519
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    >>4899507

    Oh yes. Papa like. Bookmarked.

    Thank you, Western Fella. You are the hero /cgl/ deserves.
    >> Suika forgot his trip !U5tEct/BcY 08/27/11(Sat)21:20 No.4899522
    >>4899489
    and cars.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)21:22 No.4899527
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    >>4899489

    Sounds about like /k/, alright. It's more in my area of interest than /cgl/, but I can't hardly stand to go there for more than minute.

    >>4899488

    Here's ol' Lee Van Cleef wearing what you'd call a town coat. Which is close to the length of a sack coat, but is cut completely differently. Which I suppose I'll post next here.

    The nice part about short frock coats is that you can easily wear them beneath a duster, so if you're out in the elements you can keep them from getting too abused.
    >> Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)21:26 No.4899536
    >>4899527
    >It's more in my area of interest than /cgl/, but I can't hardly stand to go there for more than minute.

    And that is exactly why you see so many /k/ommandos showing up on all the other boards; for example, /cgl/. In addition to the fact that /k/ommandos who use 4chan generally have animu-ish interests, and those that found 4chan but do NOT have animu-ish interests usually were introduced by means of /b/ or /v/, which is percisely why /k/ is... well, what it is.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)21:29 No.4899545
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    >>4899527

    And finally here's the sack coat. This is essentially the same type of "suit coat" worn today, although ours tend to be longer and have a vent. The old ones were a little shorter were ventless, and usually buttoned very high up.
    >> Anonymous 08/27/11(Sat)21:29 No.4899546
    >>4899468
    >>4899488
    Dude asking about frock coats here. Very informative indeed, thanks.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)21:34 No.4899565
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    >>4899536

    True. True. I'm not very interested in anime, either, honestly but there's a few shows I was exposed to and enjoyed, but most of it's not my forte. Came here on my own for a Dark Tower cosplay I through together after being invited to a convention and I've been poking my head in every now and then since. Guess I've gotten a little used to the place.

    >>4899545

    Here's a screencap from Appaloosa. You've got Ed Harris and Viggo Mortensen wearing a town coat (I think) and frock coat respectively. Mortensen's always appealed to me. Very much in line with something you'd expect to see on Eastwood or Van Cleef.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)21:41 No.4899585
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    >>4899565

    Harrison Ford had a pretty nice wardrobe in "Cowboys and Aliens" which came out recently. Good example of the kind of neckware I usually go with. The top button of the shirt was unbuttoned and a silk bandanna is worn tied around the neck and tucked into the shirt. This was a common style among "gunfighters" and other westerners historically, as was fairly unique to the west from what I can tell.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)21:50 No.4899610
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    >>4899585

    Other than this there were a few kinds of neckwear out west. Most of them were the same as what was worn anywhere else Victorian fashion was predominant. Four in hand ties showed up around this time, and the puff tie and variants of the cravat were popular.

    Amongst cowhands and ranchers wearing a bandanna in the triangle style was popular, which means folding a square of material in half and tying it around the neck. Makes it easy to pull it up over your face to keep dust or dirt out.

    Picture is of Isom Pickett sporting a scarf similar to ford above. Pickett was a well known black gunfighter up in montana. He's wearing a sack coat, chaps, and has a revolver and some kind of unidentified pistol tucked into his waistband.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)21:55 No.4899635
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    Another historical picture here. Fellow in the middle is of interest for sure, as most people wouldn't expect to see a fella like that out west.

    More subtly, the gentleman on the right is wearing a fedora, which didn't become popular until forty or fifty years later. The man on the right's hat is a great example of a gambler hat.
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/27/11(Sat)22:26 No.4899734
    >>4899635
    What a hipster, wearing a fedora before it was cool.


    And I most defanitly am going to get a gamblers hat. I'm thinking brown because that would match most of my wardrobe.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)22:36 No.4899774
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    >>4899734

    Good choice. It's always been my preferred type of hat all around. And brown's definitely my color of choice as well. Here's an early shot of the gambler hat Beaver Brand made me. I had em' edit it a little, seeing as I don't like the brim to be quite that rolled up, but it looked pretty sharp this way too.

    Make sure to request a little bit of a "dip" if you have someone make it. The dip will give it a nice look and help keep sun out of your eyes.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)22:48 No.4899809
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    >>4899774

    Beaver hats have a big advantage over wool hats, too. Aside from generally feeling nicer and being more durable, they don't lose their shape when wet or fail to protect from water.

    It'd be a good idea to do some intensive hat shaping research too. Learn different brim styles; rolled, raw edge, bound. You might prefer the way one looks to the others. Also, when you get your hat, make sure you never set it on it's brim or handle it by the crown when you can avoid it. Always set it upside down and grab it by the brim.

    (This picture's of a different style of hat, called a Homburg. It's the predecessor of the fedora as was pretty popular out west, even though it's less of what people think of as a "western" hat. Technically the most popular hat out west was the bowler.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)22:51 No.4899818
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    >>4899809

    What you call a Bowler or Derby.
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/27/11(Sat)22:53 No.4899822
    >>4899809
    Do you have some links for hat research? Or should I just read wikipedia and look at the shops website?

    Sorry, I'm out studying and can't do the research right at the moment, but thank you wf, you get my "favorite person of the day" award.

    I was thinking about getting a bowlerscap as well, but it is not on the for front of my hat list now.

    And also, I have a pretty big head, is that just a measurement I would send to someone who would make it?
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)22:54 No.4899826
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    >>4899818

    This one's called "The Boss of the Plains" and was Steton's original hat. It's actually the only hat they produced until the 1890's, I believe. They don't have much in common with the modern stetson, a featured a low 4 inch cake box crown and a 4 inch brim. Believe they only came in this sort of sand color too. It was certainly a working man's hat, and was considered part of the uniform of a ranch hand.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)23:13 No.4899870
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    >>4899822

    I might be able to. For the record, I wasn't aiming at lecturing you on hats or anything. Just bled my reply to you into filler posts about hats.

    But yeah, your head measurement is pretty important. Want to make sure and take it right where you plan on wearing the hat. The circumference in inches translates to a hat size, which is what you'd tell the hatter. Google it and there are probably a few guides out there.

    And here's a confederate cavalry hat, for laughs.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)23:17 No.4899877
    >>4899870

    This hat size chart ought to work.

    http://www.qualityhats.com/stetson1.htm
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)23:23 No.4899895
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    Military Schofield rig. Uses a 19th c. military web belt instead of a leather one. Whole things sort of mixed and matched, but it has a lot of character.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)23:30 No.4899913
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    This one's of Luke Short. He was a little bit of a Dandy, but was plenty capable.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/27/11(Sat)23:41 No.4899958
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    Weird looking son of a bitch. Good evidence of the right way to carry two guns though. One straight draw and one cross draw. Something about those eyes though...
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)00:31 No.4900142
    >>4899958

    dem eyes wtf
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/28/11(Sun)00:33 No.4900150
    Wf, do you always have your pants over your boots, or are there times like yard work or something, that you tuck your pants in the boot?
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)01:04 No.4900288
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    >>4900150

    Sure thing. Got a pair of stovepipe boots I always boot tuck. Never do it with the luchesse ones though. Wearing them in this picture. They're great boots, really tough and they look great too.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)01:06 No.4900298
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    >>4900288

    They were a little dirty here. Been maintained since. They're a big blessing if you're ever trekking through dirt or high brush.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)01:19 No.4900346
    >smoker respecting someone on /cgl/ instead of being a condescending asshole/elitist.

    what the fuck gives?
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/28/11(Sun)01:27 No.4900372
    >>4900288
    No wonder, stovepipe look good either way. luchesse is the type or the brand? I have two pairs of ariots that are the cowboy boot with the split at the top, ons has square toes and finger holes, the others round toe, and tucking the pants in keeps em clean, but I feel like it looks a bit tackie. Gotta get a pair of stove tops then, those are the ones, like in your picture, that look good either way. Haha now I'm just being really vein about my boots.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)01:30 No.4900378
    >>4900346
    >implying even the cockholiest of trips can disrespect Western Fella
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/28/11(Sun)01:52 No.4900425
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    >>4900346
    You expect me to hate everyone? WF is a cool dude.

    >>4900378 is right.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)01:54 No.4900430
    >>4900372

    Here's a link to the boots I never tuck with.

    http://www.sheplers.com/lucchese-1883-mens-comanche-leather-boots-snip-toe.html

    Likely my favorites. Extremely comfortable and well made. I agree with you about tucking looking tacky with boots that have a scalloped top. Lucchese (I'd been spelling it wrong) is a boot maker. Stovepipes are great, but they're honestly a little hard to stuff underneath pant legs. You can, but the shaft is a little high and not quite narrow enough to do it gracefully. I've considered getting the shaft taken in for that very purpose. At the moment I just keep one pair of boots for either way.

    Stovepipe boots have been around since the 1860's and were originally just military issue cavalry boots. The kind with the scalloped top (Like those Lucchese boots I have) became popular by 1880. Only medium, square, and round toe existed back in the day. Pointed and snip toe weren't around until the 20's, believe it or not.

    http://www.sheplers.com/lucchese-1883-mens-comanche-leather-boots-snip-toe.html
    >> ♠Todd♣ !V//////Mxg 08/28/11(Sun)01:54 No.4900434
    >>4900425
    you love me too. ;A;
    >> PantsuNugeruMon !!pjuJP0576Q+ 08/28/11(Sun)01:56 No.4900443
    >>4900434
    Not as much as me, but I bet you're on the love list.
    Nawmanyou'retotallynotonthatlist.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)02:00 No.4900450
    >>4900430

    Here's some of those stovepipes. Top four are all good. Dig the two on the right, mainly. Medium or Square toe. I've got the square toe ones.

    http://www.wwmerc.com/cgi-bin/Category.cgi?category=7100&type=store
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/28/11(Sun)02:11 No.4900494
    >>4900434
    I used to love todd, when it wasnt cool.
    >>4900443
    Make sure to drink pleanty of water hun, you dont want a hangover.
    >>4900450
    None of the top 4 stove pipes come in size 14, but those Lucchese look damn nice.
    >> TL;DR 08/28/11(Sun)02:12 No.4900497
    >>4899370
    >kids ask what a vest is and why my pants are so high up.
    This made me rage a little.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)02:19 No.4900513
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    >>4900494

    Might need to dig around elsewhere. I usually wear a 12 D, but I found myself able to fit into an 11 1/2 D with these, so you might be able to swing a half size lower. Worth considering.

    >>4900497

    Can't say it pissed me off any less. Usually give em' a lecture of sorts, but it's just hopeless sometimes. Better part of the newer generations are being raised to revere folks wearing a crooked, flat billed baseball cap and pants beneath their ass. It's just such a foreign concept to em' that there's nothing to be done about it.
    >> PantsuNugeruMon !!pjuJP0576Q+ 08/28/11(Sun)02:21 No.4900518
    >>4900494
    It's still cool for me, right? Look at you worrying so much about me dear. Waterwater. You know I always drink water. Ill drink water when I get home and on TC tonight. I am gonna be bored in the next twenty minutes since nobody wants to talk and is asleep on a SATURDAY night. icitia
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)02:22 No.4900522
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    >>4900494

    And yes, I love those damn boots. Will probably snag some more when I wear these out. Won't be for a long time, they still look new nearly. You get that hat size figured out yet? I'm a 7 1/4 which falls on the line between medium and large.
    >> PantsuNugeruMon !!pjuJP0576Q+ 08/28/11(Sun)02:24 No.4900524
    >>4900518
    Whoops, started writing the captcha in the end of that post haha.
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/28/11(Sun)02:35 No.4900558
    >>4900522
    I apparently am an XXL. 25in, so the very bottom of that chart.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)02:35 No.4900559
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    To continue contributing...

    Shirts from the late 1800's and turn of the century were a little different too. The tend to have a little longer shirt tails, since they weren't wore untucked, and have bibs sewn in. The idea being that the design or texture of the bib would show where the vest splits giving off an interesting layered look. Shirts were both full button down and partial button down. The latter you'd pull over your head. Interestingly, shirts were rarely worn without a vest, and were even considered more of a kind of underwear.

    Collars were much more varied than the standard pointed ones we use today. Picture attached is the ivory one I usually wear, and has a "club collar" which was rounded instead of pointed. There are a ton of variations and a large number of shirts didn't actually have collars attached, rather there was a band at the top where you could attach whatever type of collar you wanted. This is nice for fancier dress, but I usually just prefer a club or pointed sewn in collar.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)02:44 No.4900578
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    >>4900558

    Pretty good sized melon. If you get into getting you a custom one, they might also ask you what kind of oval you are, which refers to how long your head shape is at the brow. I don't recall how to determine this one, unfortunately. Mine was the standard oval I believe. If you ever feel like hats don't fit even if they're sized correctly, you might have a long oval.

    >>4900559

    Picture attached is some collar variations. These could be permanent or a detachable collar. I saw some original wingtip collars still in the glass display from 1882 once. Strange how style changes.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)02:50 No.4900595
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    >>4900578

    Good example of one of those partial button front shirts. Some shirts actually used different material and colors for parts of the shirt that weren't the bib, collar, and cuffs, because they likely wouldn't be seen. By the 1880's the full button type we're used to showed up more often. Pointed collar shirts weren't really the norm until the 1930's, however. Even in the 20's round club collars were predominant.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)02:54 No.4900610
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    Good example of two fellas in the 1880's wearing both boots inside and outside the pants. Stitching on the right guy's boots is pretty sharp.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)03:02 No.4900632
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    One of the best looking parts of old western clothing (and Pre 1940's clothing in general) is the waistcoat of vest. They've been out of fashion for a while now, but from what I've seen they seem to be slipping back in. Someone better versed in the fashion world could probably confirm that for me.

    The one attached is my favorite one, which was based on Russell Crowe's vest in 3:10 to Yuma. They came in all shapes and sizes, with or without lapels, but always with at least two pockets for a watch and tobacco. Don't know if it's a rule, but you usually see the bottom button of a vest left unbuttoned. On a well made vest, it will actually be placed a little off center of the other ones for this purpose. A vest can be fitted however you please, but having a strange shape (broad upper chest and a small waist) I always liked mine snug.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)03:07 No.4900653
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    >>4900632

    If you really want to have some nice threads made, I'd recommend taking a look at Magnoli Clothiers. It's pricey, so make whatever to commission count, but the results are always nothing short of top notch.

    http://www.magnoliclothiers.com/index.php

    They made both that vest, and the jacket in the image. The jacket's a replica of Charlie Prince's coat in 3:10 to Yuma.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)03:09 No.4900658
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    >>4900653

    http://www.magnoliclothiers.com/yuma-jacket-custom-made-leather-jackets-by-magnoli-clothiers-p-188.h
    tml
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)03:15 No.4900668
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    >>4900632

    Here's another type of vest. Originated with U.S. cavalrymen.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)03:19 No.4900678
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    Fancy looking evening waistcoat. These brocade vests were popular with flashier gamblers and gunfighters.
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/28/11(Sun)03:21 No.4900685
    >>4900678
    I've been thinking about vests, but I dont have large sums to blow on tailoring or ordering. I'm a tall/big guy. And even then, in the texas heat I wouldn't want to wear a jacket, and vests with a back are hard to find.

    And I love how you just keep posting things, its awesome.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)03:27 No.4900694
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    >>4900685

    How tall are ya, Smoker? I'm about 6'4, and it makes finding off the rack clothes a living hell. Couldn't find a pair of 31/35 pants if my life depended on it.

    Really tailoring isn't so bad. Especially for vests. I just had one done for 15 bucks. What do you mean with a back exactly? Nothing wrong with wearing one that just has an acetate or satin backing coatless. This Red River southern Oklahoma heat is pretty much on par with northern Texas heat wise, and vests can do some damage. Might be worth trying out come winter though.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)03:29 No.4900695
    just wanted to pop in and say how cool it is that you just dump massive wealths of info on this shit dude. reading this stuff is really informative and interesting.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)03:34 No.4900708
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    >>4900695

    Much appreciated. Usually hijack these Victorian and Western threads and dump this sort of stuff. It's usually pretty relevant with as many forms of clothing and cosplay stem from Victorian fashion these days...and there's a lack of folks who know about the men's side of things. You end up with a lot feminized frilly shit that's more of a translation of lady's clothes. Nothing wrong with that for the folks that like it, but it's good to have an alternative.
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/28/11(Sun)03:38 No.4900717
    >>4900694
    I'm 6'3, 240lb, so I normally have to go to dillards and buy xl tall shirts, which is even worse because the majority of that section is for tall SUPER fat people, I know I got some chub but XXXL tall, God damn. And finding jeans is a pain in the ass too, I went out to the levi outlet, the only ones i could find in a 40/34 were 501's. I am now used to button flys because its the only kinda jeans i have.

    I just feel wrong wearing a satin back vest without a coat. And as far as tailoring goes, I can get it done, its sorta a hassle, the problem is finding one sorta my size that isnt like 250 bucks like the one on your link.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)04:03 No.4900764
    >>4899177
    WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU GET THOSE PANTS TELL ME NOW SO I CAN BUY FIDDY PAIRS.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)04:12 No.4900777
    >>4899261
    >>4900288
    Normally I'm not one to stare, but you are packing WF.

    >is SOOOO very jelly of your woman.
    >so jelly.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)04:18 No.4900785
    >>4900764
    bump for answer
    >> TL;DR 08/28/11(Sun)04:22 No.4900789
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    While we're back on the subject of wild West attire, mind if I ask for some pointers on an upcoming cosplay?

    This here's Steve from the game Sunset Riders. Can you give me any pointers for making his hat? Bearing in mind of course that I don't want to shell out the money for a "real" hat since this'll be strictly for cosplay purposes.

    Anything from patterns to material suggestions would be helpful.
    >> TL;DR 08/28/11(Sun)04:23 No.4900795
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    >>4900785
    Calm down there, /cgl/ is a relatively slow moving board if you haven't noticed already. You need to wait a lot longer than that before you start bumping.

    >>4900789
    Also, any tips/tutorials for making spurs?
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)04:25 No.4900796
    >>4900795
    I'm desperate.

    I've searched years for pants like that.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)05:34 No.4900886
    >>4900796

    Those are my favorite pants, without a doubt. I own a few pairs. You can find them here. Search "Leadville Trousers" for more results.

    http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/store/002567.php?__utma=1.1828857372.1314156360.1314512851.1314523
    421.12&__utmb=1.2.10.1314523421&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1314156360.1.1.utmcsr=(di
    rect)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none)&__utmv=-&__utmk=219445401

    >>4900789

    You know, I'm not much sure how to go about making a hat in a color like that. I can do moderate blocking and shaping with the aid of steam and a few tools...but I don't know what to tell you about starting from scratch. It'd be out of wool of some sort, I imagine. Best I could recommend is looking up modifying an existing hat. Trying to make a hat from nothing would be a difficult and costly job indeed. I'm not too knowledgeable about sewing, unfortunately. The clothes appear to be extremely simple though, so I doubt you'd have much trouble. Sorry I ain't more help on the matter.

    >>4900777

    I noticed that a while after I posted that picture the first time. Someone else came to the same conclusion. The unfortunate results of belting those jeans up a little high.

    >>4900717

    To each his own. Something will rear its head eventually. Just keep those eyes open.
    >> TL;DR 08/28/11(Sun)05:45 No.4900892
    >>4900886
    No worries, and thanks for the suggestions. I'll just see what I can find in the way of a "base" hat to modify.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)05:58 No.4900909
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    >>4900892

    Sure thing. It should be hard to find something at a thrift store. They tend to be all over the place.

    Just noticed your question about spurs. Spurs are another one of those things that would take a lot of skill and access to metal working tools to make. I can definitely understand wanting to make your gear from the ground up, but you'd really be better off shelling out 8 bucks for a pair of cutting spurs.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)06:05 No.4900916
    >>4900288
    >>4900777

    you have a big cock too? this is getting rediculous. you're just a giant symbol of manly virility.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)06:23 No.4900931
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    Here's a Webley Mark IV, which was a gun present in the latter part of the "Old West" and was put to use by a number of Americans. For one reason or another, many folks didn't care for them despite being one of the first firearms to make use of double action effectively. I admittedly shoot better with a single action, too.
    >> TL;DR 08/28/11(Sun)06:24 No.4900933
    >>4900909
    I had no idea they were so inexpensive! Alright I'll dig around, thanks again. Looks like ebay has quite a few available and I'm sure there are any number of other places to find them.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)06:26 No.4900934
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    Here's another double action revolver, this one being the Colt New Service. This was another double action that was better received that its predecessors. It'd be interesting to see some folks carrying these less popular weapons instead of the more popular SAA and slew of black powder revolvers.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)06:32 No.4900939
    >>4900933

    Absolutely. These plain jane utility ones will give you the noise you're expected and at least be visible and recognizable. Some can get awfully expensive. The one's I'm wearing here

    >>4899370

    are pretty nice and I got a hell of a deal on them for 30 bucks. You might get lucky and find some fairly good looking ones if you keep your eyes peeled.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)06:34 No.4900940
    Hey WF, when exactly was the old west era? like, I know late 1800's, but what are the exact numbers?
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)06:51 No.4900955
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    >>4900940

    That's something you could debate for a while. There aren't any hard dates, because it didn't just start or end one day particularly. Really, it's defined by imagery and the partly lawless atmosphere more than anything. Revolvers and wide brimmed hats have been around as early as the 1840's, so you could consider the first activities of the Texas Rangers to be around the first time you might recognize an "old west" type of setting. Generally I consider it starting during and after the civil war, so roughly 1860. The high period of the west would be the 60's, 70's, and 80's. By the late 1890's the west was a lot like the east, and the lawless element had declined pretty seriously. Of course, the imagery still remains, so it still looks like the old west, and you do have some pretty rough events going on in Oklahoma and the Texas border until 1912 or so. The Mexican Revolution also stirred things up and helped keep alive the lawless sort of environment for a little longer. I'd say it's officially over by 1920 and the end of the Mexican Revolution, but by that point it had long been out of its heyday for a while.

    Things were always nicer at west than people realize, especially by the 1870's and 80's, which is the high point of the old west. Tombstone, which was all the way out in Arizona, had frequent shipments of clothing from paris, an ice cream shop, and by 1880, working electricity. A good number of western towns actually had electrically lit mainstreets complete with marquees and streetlights. Folks were also not nearly as dirty as is commonly though. In town, people had regular access to bathing, and though it was a societal norm, some people are recorded as bathing as often as once a day. In some places your more concerned members might clean up two or three times a week. Not to mention there were operating laundry services. So the old west was certainly wild, but not quite as dirty as people might imagine.
    >> TL;DR 08/28/11(Sun)06:54 No.4900961
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    >>4900931
    I'm rather fond of pepperbox revolvers, if I were ever to start a firearms collection I'd like to pick one up.

    For now though my focus is on swords.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)06:59 No.4900964
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    >>4900961

    This is off topic, but you might appreciate this. I got an amazing sword recently. It's a Gus Trim 15th century Longsword. Beautiful piece, but the handling is by far the most impressive part.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)07:06 No.4900968
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    Classic lee van cleef rig. Simple, but fairly elegant. You can pull really quickly from one of these. Cross draw, centered a little forward almost over the belly.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)07:17 No.4900975
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    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)07:20 No.4900978
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    This one's of Wild Bill, Texas Jack, and Buffalo Bill.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)07:30 No.4900982
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    This one's a shot from the end of the Wild Bunch. If you like westerns and haven't caught it, you've got to take a look as soon as possible. Focuses on a gang of outlaws attempting to survive in 1914. Creates interesting situations, such as the characters using 1911s and Bolt action rifles. Classic Sam Peckinpah. The last scene is one of the best in western film history.
    >> TL;DR 08/28/11(Sun)07:38 No.4900993
    >>4900964
    I certainly do! It's very nice. The fittings look like Valiant's Malatesta, which is hardly a bad thing.

    Or perhaps the Malatesta's fittings look like this one? I'm not sure which came first.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)07:38 No.4900994
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    >>4900982

    Speaking of the Wild Bunch, I noticed something sort of interesting a while back. Ben Johnson's clothing in the movie is just about identical to what John Marston wears by default in Red Dead Redemption. Down to the strange out of place "vest", and bandolier.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)07:42 No.4900998
    >>4900993

    You nailed it. The blade is a Gus Trim, but the custom scabbard work and hilting were done by VA's Sonny Suttles down in Grapevine. IF you ever need this kind of work done, he can't be beat for the price. He's putting out some really high quality work for half of what you'd expect. The fittings are modified Malatesta ones, actually.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)07:44 No.4901002
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    >>4900994

    Screenshot of John Marston for reference with Ben Johnson's clothes. Seem to remember rockstar saying they were heavily inspired by the Wild Bunch, which is fairly apparent now.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)07:54 No.4901013
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    >>4901002

    One more wild bunch shot with Ben Johnson on the right. This one's even closer to Marston's outfit, down to the striped trousers and knife.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)07:57 No.4901016
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    >>4901013

    Left, that is.


    This one's a shot of the cast of The Assassination of Jesse James. Most of the movie had great costume design, if not a little monotone in areas. Worked great with the tone of the movie, either way.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)07:58 No.4901020
    I love you, Western Fella.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)08:17 No.4901029
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    >>4901020

    And who might you be?
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)08:19 No.4901030
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    Another Appaloosa screencap.
    >> Sexpot !bUfIXfbaTU 08/28/11(Sun)08:22 No.4901032
    >>4901029

    Its me. I'm sitting outside your house right now, hoping to get a glimpse of your sword.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)08:29 No.4901034
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    >>4901032

    Ought to have known.


    (One of the best western villains ever; Henry Fonda as Frank in Once Upon a Time in the West.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)08:55 No.4901040
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    >>4901034
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)09:28 No.4901061
    >>4900777

    You had a super fucking awesome opportunity to make packing iron jokes about a big dick and you missed out.
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/28/11(Sun)12:04 No.4901360
    >>4901061
    And the notches on his pistol number one and nighteen more, if you know what I mean.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)12:11 No.4901383
    >>4901360
    I don't, actually.
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/28/11(Sun)12:25 No.4901414
    >>4901383
    I'm saying I bet he's got a pretty big iron.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)12:35 No.4901441
    >>4901029
    It was me. Just an Anon admirer.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)12:53 No.4901506
    >>4901061
    I KNOW, it was like 4 am and all I could do was stare.

    >>4901360
    And the swiftness of the ranger is still talked about today
    Texas Red had not cleared leather fore a bullet fairly ripped
    >> Zooey 08/28/11(Sun)12:57 No.4901519
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    >>4901414
    Boy, does he. It's beautiful, too. I mean, it's pretty in pictures, but there's nothin' like seein' it in person.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)14:41 No.4901815
    lol
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)15:01 No.4901849
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    Christ, going to have to be more careful from now on.

    Ties.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)15:15 No.4901888
    >>4900717

    Smoker, you should look into making friends with a seamstress. I'd gladly tailor for your size, but I highly doubt you're in England.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)15:45 No.4901960
    >>4901888

    Speaking of this, how much are you currently paying, Smoker? Because where I come from getting something tailored doesn't exactly put you in the poorhouse.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)17:36 No.4902259
    >>4901519

    What is this worth?
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)17:47 No.4902283
    >>4900578
    i've read that people were sometimes injured on the heavily starched shirt collars that were in style in the past

    is that total bullshit?
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)18:14 No.4902332
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    >>4902283

    I reckon that's probably bullshit. I've never heard of any cases, but having been around plenty of heavily starched collars, I'd say this is implausible at best, give or a take a freak accident or two.

    What sort of injuries have you heard of?
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/28/11(Sun)19:28 No.4902529
    >>4901888
    Nice triples, I'll make sure to remember I have a friend in England that is anonymous and not blue that will fix clothes. Haha.
    >>4901960
    The cost I was talking about were the hand made garments and such. Tailoring prices aren't that bad, even if I am a poor college student, I know of the cheap tailor that my family has gone to for decades, but I've never been there in person. I think she might be a scary old Asian lady. I think I'll get my stuff over there at some point.


    And speaking of ties, I inherited about 80 when my grandfather passed away, along with a few rad beltbucles I wear everyday now.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)22:35 No.4903459
    Hey WF, I have been wanting to ask you for a while now. How often did cowboys actually bath back then. And what did they eat and was it part of cowboy training to get really good with the gun?
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)23:44 No.4903777
    >>4903459

    Well, first of all you've got to understand that "cowboys" were essentially the same as modern day ranch hands. Served the same function at least. There was no gun training, though he would've been shown how to use a lariat, ride, maintain his equipment, and generally survive in the elements during long drives. The only reason he would carry a gun is to protect the livestock from predatory animals and rustlers. Cowboys weren't paid much, and they were generally considered a low rung in society. The only time they tended to get into trouble was at the end of a long cattle drive. They'd often buy a new set of clothes with their paycheck and binge drink for a few days and raise hell in town. They'd also take what is likely one of the first baths they've had in what might have been months. Some cowboys did get skilled enough with a gun to cause serious trouble, but they were more than often shut down by a professional or gifted fella who really knew what he was doing. As for food, they ate what was available, cheap, and kept well on the trail. This was usually bread and beans. Might have jerky sometimes, and every now and then someone would likely kill some good tasting game that could be fixed up.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/28/11(Sun)23:53 No.4903805
    >>4903777

    Gunfighters, lawmen, gamblers, and outlaws on the other hand had a different standard of living. These people could bath however much they saw fit, which could be anywhere from once a week, to every night. On average the number was probably somewhere around three times a week when they had access to it. Clothes also weren't covered in dirt constantly like you see in movies. This is likely for someone who'd been on a long trip in a dusty area, but dusters were worn for this very purpose. Old tin type pictures have a habit of making everything look very dirty because of the brownish gray color scheme.
    Seeing that towns in the Old West were actually fairly sophisticated, they ate pretty good food, and since their livelihood usually depended on them being skilled with an iron, they'd have practiced when they could.

    Goddamn, wrote an essay that time.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:56 No.4903827
    >>4901519

    aren't you westernfella's GF? I fuckin hate you.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/29/11(Mon)00:11 No.4903904
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    >>4903827

    She is. This is her. Hence the name.

    Anyhow, got some great boots coming up next. Great look at some original western boots from the late 1870's or 1880's.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/29/11(Mon)00:14 No.4903916
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    Really great boots. I'd kill to have some of these in dark brown. Reckon one day I'll likely have em' replicated. They're designed to have a shaft that's tailored enough to be worn inside or outside a pantleg. The mid 1870's is when shaft stitching came into being. This really helps keep the boot shaft from collapsing aside from looking nice.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:15 No.4903927
    Western Fella, I fucking love you for both your appearance and for all your knowledge and research.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/29/11(Mon)00:21 No.4903949
    >>4903927

    Much obliged. I always say this, but I never figured I'd be known for knowing about clothing or anything. As far as interest in the "Old West" goes shooting is really where most of my effort goes, and I'd like to think it's what I'm best at. Gotta admit that I've gotten significantly more interested in the fashion side of things in the last few years though. Appreciate your support though, if you've ever got any questions on the subject, feel free to enquire.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/29/11(Mon)00:27 No.4903986
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    Another pair of boots. Likely pre 1900.
    >> ♠Todd♣ !V//////Mxg 08/29/11(Mon)00:28 No.4903992
    >>4903949
    Hello WF,

    It's John again. Got another question for you. Do you just dress western or do you live like a westerner too? I don't mean no cars or no computers or anything like that, that's probably too extreme. I just mean like, maybe you like old furniture? Or ... use lanterns instead of light bulbs? IDK.

    Thanks,
    John
    >> Harley !!Ocs2iA9hfoy 08/29/11(Mon)00:37 No.4904036
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    Hey Western Fella. I got a question for you.

    I pulled out a box of my grandpa's old hats and two of them were cowboy hats. They're both prior 1984, since he passed away in 83. One's a brown eddy Bros. brand hat and the other is a black Stetson.

    They're not in the best of shape, but I'd still like to try to protect them or fix them up. You can see in this picture, that the brim has got some small gouges in it.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/29/11(Mon)00:48 No.4904079
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    >>4903992

    Dear John,

    Yes. I do tend to take things in that direction. I'm a big fan of camping with old implements and I tend to use the more masculine side of victorian furniture to decorate. Don't shun all technology though. Attached is a picture of the bedroom I sleep in.

    WF

    >>4904036

    Can you happen to tell if they're made of wool or beaver? I can see the hat you posted has a welted brim that's common on wool hats. (Means the brim is folded over instead of being ribbon bound or left raw). If you look inside of the hat, does it say what the material is? Maybe a number followed by some X's?
    >> Harley !!Ocs2iA9hfoy 08/29/11(Mon)00:51 No.4904095
    >>4904079
    They're both wool. He had a couple nice Fedora's too.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/29/11(Mon)01:34 No.4904312
    >>4904095

    Wool can be a little hard to work with once it's good and beat up, but not impossible. If you're not particular about doing it yourself, anyone who deals with hats would probably gladly shape it up for cheap. If you are set on doing it yourself, you first need to decide how the hat's supposed to look when it's fixed up. When you think you've got an idea, you need to heat some water over a stove to create steam. Holding the hat over steam should soften it to the point of becoming malleable, at which point you can shape it. Work the crown first, starting on making the bash nice and even. Then you can smooth out the sides, and finally work on the brim. It'll likely be sort of touch and go, and might not even work depending on whether the wool cooperates. If it does, you can set the hat by starching it. Whole process might be sort of tough to get the hang of, but give it a shot and see what you can do. Good luck, and post the results if it turns out well.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/29/11(Mon)01:42 No.4904357
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    >>4904079

    Also tend to use this old trunk I fixed up from the 1880's. As far as professional restoration goes, it's likely not worth a thing, seeing as I took it in a different direction than it was originally. It would've been painted black and tan originally and the inside would've been wallpapered. I paneled it with a brocade material and just put a wax coating on the wood and metal on the outside. Functions well and looks nice either way.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:57 No.4904438
    >>4903904

    She totally look exactly like zooey deschannel. It's.....eerie.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/29/11(Mon)02:06 No.4904484
    >>4904438

    That's certainly been the common opinion.
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/29/11(Mon)02:07 No.4904492
    >>4904484
    Lucky sun of a gun.

    I just saw some movie with Zooey in it. She was wonderful.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/29/11(Mon)02:11 No.4904522
    >>4904492

    Must admit that I've always found her attractive. She's certainly my type. Pale, big eyes, old fashioned dress, great hair. You bet, bud.
    >> ♠Todd♣ !V//////Mxg 08/29/11(Mon)02:13 No.4904534
    >>4904492
    >>4904484
    Really? I hate her as an actress. Fucking hipster bullshit, man. I love JGL though~
    >> Smoker !VUmDTeLJOM 08/29/11(Mon)02:17 No.4904559
    >>4904534
    Shes wonderful.
    She acts natural, but keeps her quirky habits in a natural manor. She delivers her lines in such a fluid and emotional way that I cant help but watch her in awe.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/29/11(Mon)02:34 No.4904651
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    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:08 No.4904823
    >>4900288
    >>4899261

    you're gorgeous the way men used to be, WF
    >> Zooey 08/29/11(Mon)09:57 No.4905473
    >>4903827
    It happens.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)16:44 No.4905802
    >>4903916

    These are fucking killer. Why did we changes or boots to the modern kind again?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)16:52 No.4905824
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    Somebody should stream some westerns and we should get in and watch.
    >> Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22 08/29/11(Mon)17:13 No.4905877
    >>4905802

    They're pretty similar nowadays. Shafts are shorter, and people's taste has changed without a doubt. In the 20's and 50's they underwent a transition to louder colors and more pointied toes. I prefer the older style, too.

    >>4905824

    I'd certainly be in for this. What movie have you guys got in mind?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)20:56 No.4906780
    someone should archive this thread.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)22:14 No.4907206
    bumping for awesome movie.



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