this is a delicious troll.

>thread about race
>4chan
not sure if trolling or just stupid.

Underrepresentation in the medium as well. Scifi and comics are notorious for their lack of characters of color, as well as using Magical Negros, Wise Asian, and Noble Savages to help fulfill the emotional journeys of white people.

Accessibility might also be something to talk about. Lolita, say, is a internet phenomenon. Someone without disposable income, time to spend on the internet, or a good connection just can't be as up on the community.

>>4854834
>implying black people dont have disposible income

When I was young, black kids stole my Pokemon cards at Toys R Us' Pokemon League. That was when I stopped letting shit out of my sight. I'm not sure whether or not to thank those black kids.

>>4854843

>implying all disadvantaged PoC must be black

> white privilege
No. Fuck you. I'm sorry, but it's not "white privilege". It's "anyone who isn't black privilege". Stop trying to paint shit the way it's not. Fuck.

>>4854868
Typical marxist delusions that claim the individual has no mastery over his own destiny, that whenever something goes awry for a minority group (read: never an individual. There is no individual in deterministic thought), it must be the result of some kind of system malfunction out of their control. Leftists like those the OP is parodying (they are a troll) do not see personal responsibility as a real concept, because they believe that all humans simply experience the ebb and flow of time, never acting of their own free will, but always moving by the whims of the invisible puppet master, sometimes called white privilege, racism, social inequality, or what ever terms they fancy to invent.

>>4854868
There are a ton of other minorities in the country that get crapped on with depressing regularity. Black people haven't cornered the market on suffering, they've just bought out a few of the stores.

>>4854834
Actually, black representations in media are overwhelmingly positive. You can complain about their lack of thematic roles or whatever, but they're not potrayed negatively - Far from it: They're almost invariably potrayed as noble and unjustly treated in Hollywood.

>>4854906
>There are a ton of other minorities in the country that get crapped on with depressing regularity.

Yes, take East Asians for example. East Asians in the US actually have access to SBA loans for small businesses owned by minorities in spite of being the wealthiest ethnic group in the country.

Oh the pain of being crapped on.

you could address the insecurities colorful people have about cosplaying characters that aren't black, despite the fact that fair/asian people can go around cosplaying in black face.

black face is just generally offensive unless the character actually has literally black skin [homestuck, etc.]

>>4854899

2/10. Almost got me.

>>4854868
I know some Asians, Hispanics, Native Americans, and Arabs who would like to have a word with you.

I'd come to your panel OP. I've been a cosplayer for 13 yrs and when I started I was one of three black people at AWA. The other two weren't costuming. I can tell you about how much the scene has changed, how to use it to your advantage, and when to say fuck it and do what you want.

>>4854930
I'm not 'trolling' you, you stupid leftard. Why would I go to the effort of so amusingly deconstructing Marxist thought for the sake of a joke?

>>4854908
Everything and nothing.

You could talk about the fact over 50% of black females in the United States have herpes.

Or you could talk about the fact sub-saharan African never invented the wheel.

It's really up to you, there's all kinds of fun things you could talk about.

>>4854919
East Asians are also some of the poorest immigrants, and their businesses are most likely to be victimized during times of social unrest.

Also, East Asian is a big fucking group of people that encompasses a lot of countries, religions, philosophies, and sub-races. Lumping them together is like lumping Western Europe, Eastern Europe, and chunks of the Middle East in one giant paleface group. Them lefterly continent peoples.

captcha: jewerrce work

>>4854923

>colorful people

Also please don't make me feel guilty for being born this way.

>>4854973

Depends. Hate crimes have a lot to do with race. And hate crimes can involve stealing from and vandalizing a business based on the race of the owners.

>>4854967
>East Asians are also some of the poorest immigrants,

So are a lot of Whites who come over from Eastern Europe.

>and their businesses are most likely to be victimized during times of social unrest.

[citation needed]

>Also, East Asian is a big fucking group of people that encompasses a lot of countries, religions, philosophies, and sub-races. Lumping them together is like lumping Western Europe, Eastern Europe, and chunks of the Middle East in one giant paleface group. Them lefterly continent peoples.

Europe does form a distinct cultural zone though (Christianity, roots of Greco-Roman thought, shared eras of the Middle Ages, Early Renaissance, shared intellectual and artistic history etc). The sub-divisions between Slav and Germanic are exagerrated, take how Germanized the average Czech is because they were living under the HRE for so long (when it was Bohemia).

>>4854973
Many people believe that a bad social environment is a major contributor to crime. They believe that if people of all races had the same education, income, and social status, there would be no race differences in crime rates. Academic research, however, shows that these differences persist even after controlling for social variables.

In fact, the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic accounts for crime rates more than four times better than the next best measure: lack of education. Furthermore, even controlling for all three measures of social disadvantage hardly changes the correlation between racial mix and crime rates. The correlation between violent crime and the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic is 0.78 even when poverty, education, and unemployment are controlled, versus 0.81 when they are not. In layman’s terms, the statistical results suggest that even if whites were just as disadvantaged as blacks and Hispanics the association between race and violent crime would still be almost as great. It may seem harsh to state it so plainly, but the single best indicator of an area’s violent crime rate is its racial/ethnic mix.

>>4854987

The Roma's and other minority sub-groups of europe would like to have a word with you.

Actually history would like to have a word with you for how ignorant this statement is.

>>4854992
Or the police could be bigoted and coming down exceptionally harsher on PoC, allowing whites to escape punishment.

Also, you forgot generational wealth and knowledge. Most hispanic families will be, at most, 4 generations into middle class, many white families are 5-15 generations. That creates a large difference.

>>4855001
>The Roma's and other minority sub-groups of europe would like to have a word with you.

I never claimed the Roma were a part of this patchwork, they're interlopers whose origins stem from the Indian subcontinent, not from Europe.

Bleach your skin.

>>4854968
what do you mean? i sowie. I just try to take a more general, lighthearted approach to naming the wide variety of shades that aren't pale. I too am a POC and i know that certain brown/tan people prefer certain terms to other [brown, black, african american, etc.]

>>4855006

They've been in Europe for centuries and have a new and distinct culture based on their migration. They've been in Europe longer than white people have been in America, bro. Your argument is invalid.

>>4855005
>Or the police could be bigoted and coming down exceptionally harsher on PoC, allowing whites to escape punishment.

You're right, and we can test whether or not this is occurring by comparing UCR and NCVS data, if the UCR/Arrest Data shows that blacks are being arrested at a greater level than they're being reported by the victim surveys, then the police are indeed unfairly targetting them, but they're not. In fact police arrest blacks at rates LESS than they are reported for crimes.

>Most hispanic families will be, at most, 4 generations into middle class, many white families are 5-15 generations.

So propensity for criminality passes from generation to generation not by Mendelian Inheritance, but through some kind of collective cultural osmosis? Ok....

>>4855031
But incarcerated at HIGHER rates, given their accused crimes and their overall percentage of the population.

>>4855019
It doesn't matter how long they've been in Europe. They're not a European people, genetic clustering clearly shows this.

They're despised for a good reason. If you disagree with me then you're free to go and live near them if ever you go to a place like Hungary or Romania. But you won't, you'll be a hypocrite and live amongst other Whites, just like all leftist hypocrites.

>>4855038
>It's not surprising this comes from white scientists

Wow, they're hiring scientists to collate simple datasets? I thought the DoJ hired statisticians to do that.

Do you have any evidence they're doctoring the figures to make blacks look bad? Seems rather odd, considering the lengths the media, Hollywood, political leaders etc go to make blacks look -good- (see: The systematic cover-up of black on white crimes, who has even heard of the Zebra Murders?)

>>4854992
i think that every race on the planet has advantages and disadvantages in society. i don't want to be the one to fight over who has it worse because that stupid and a waste of time. there are successful black people and impoverished white people. i think, instead of it being a general issue of white people/people who have had a history of power and a psychological disposition based on past tradition beatin up on the "colored folk", its those individual paler people who believe it is there right to oppress or what have you. i just try not to be one sided. one side is just as guilty as the other side. if white people are tired of being blamed for brown people's misfortune in society, do something about it. if brown people are tired of being held down by "the man", then do something about it.

>>4855031
Well, if your entire family for generations past memory has been treated good by the dominant culture, and lives pretty happy on the hog, you might act differently from the guy down the street, who's grandfather tells stories about his daddy being beaten to death and hung to rot from a tree.

>>4854868

The concept of privilege just baffles me as it tries to paint large groups with the same brush and that's just not possible. There's a million variables that shape each individuals experiences in life.

Not all white people are wealthy, christian, straight men. Some are poor, some are women, some are Muslim, and some are gay, some have disabilities for which they are harassed. Some are a combination. And you don't know that until you talk to them and it's rude to pretty much tell them, that any suffering they do go through is invalidated thanks to the color of their skin.

People are people and we'd all get along better if /everyone/ would stop trying to lump people into fucking groups.

>>4855038
Where the black scientists and their studies at?

>>4855035
Their higher incarceration rates, along with their higher reported rates of crime from both arrest data AND victim surveys is evidence of their criminality. If they committed crime at the same rate whites did, then this parity would show up in the figures.

Your error is your religious belief in racial equality. Because you have faith in the inherently equal capabilities of all races you have to dream up complicated explanations for observable reality, such as phantom discrimination or "white privilege".

>>4855067

How do we know the color of the people who ran the study? Or are we just making assumptions?

>>4855065
Yeah, weird that, because we have case studies where population groups have been treated far worse than blacks have under Whites (e.g... Han Chinese under the Yuan Emperors, or early Qing Emperors), who flourished during these periods and after in spite of all this.

Clearly 'oppression' (and macrohistorically speaking, the transatlantic slave trade was a drop in the ocean compared to stuff like the Mongol invasions) isn't so detrimental after all.

>>4855078
Assumptions. Much like was earlier assumed that the studies were by "white scientists"

>>4855063

>one side is just as guilty as the other side

...do you understand that white people used to organize hunting parties to go out and murder minorities? Like hunting down a fucking deer? Do you understand they still do this? THEY MURDERED PEOPLE FOR FUN. And got away with it. And that's the big ones, not little things like being denied jobs, or forced to move to shitty neighborhoods, or the government stealing your army pension or enrolling you in medical experiments and never telling you about it, or even your college professor cracking jokes about how you're a terrorist and it's LOL SO FUNNY every time you're the only stopped at airport security,

People are fucking abused and when they speak up about it, they die. And lots of PoC still fight the good fight about racism and inequality and meet idiots like you, who tell them they're to blame, and if they stopped fighting and just STOPPED BEING OPPRESSED it would be okay.

>>4854783
and on an on topic note, i would certainly go to your panel. there are plenty of non-accusatory, helpful discussions and tips that minority cosplayers could share

also, a note to everyone, in an individual spectrum, there are INDIVIDUALS that show issue [that aren't trolls] with minorities/brown people cosplaying, dressing in lolita, etc. that's the relevant issue.

>>4855101
Come on, this isn't some vague, metaphysical matter. You made explicit allegations that "white 'scientists'" had somehow doctored these datasets (and have been doing so for decades apparently). Prove it.

What racial/ethnic group do you belong to by the way?

>>4855104
>...do you understand that white people used to organize hunting parties to go out and murder minorities?

[citation needed]

Doesn't sound like a good thing to do to one's property if one wants to assure a good harvest. Slaves weren't as plentiful as you seem to believe, only a few hundred thousand were ever shipped to America, and only 700,000 ever existed in total in the South.

Oh, and by the way, you "deserve" what your ancestors bequeath to you. Whether you can hold it is up to you and your wits.

Just ignore the /new/ reject
There is no point in arguing with a person who exists in a seperate reality

>>4855104

Do you understand it's not all white people or even most?

Bad people will ALWAYS do bad things but you're just as bad with the racism claiming it's ALL WHITES and acting like it's only whites.

Black tribes in Africa caught their warring neighbors and SOLD THEM INTO SLAVERY. Just to get their land.

The Jews are "white" look what they've been through, look what happened to Irish immigrants when the migrated to America, they were treated like absolute scum, little better than black slaves and often pressed into military service right off the boat. Or hey what about the systematic murder of one group of Muslim's by the other? Let's not even go into the wars over religion.

Though I'm curious where you hear stories of groups of whites hunting down people for fun that's "still going on". That'd be something you think would be in the news.

>>4855136
>separate reality

>>4855139
There's nothing wrong with conquering and subjugating other people. If you believe it's wrong and refrain from doing it, then other people who DO believe in conquest and subjugation will just come and along and wipe you off off the map.

Such is life in the zone.

>>4855136
>believes all races are neurologically identical
>accuses me of living in a separate reality

Creationism != Reality.

>>4855104
>doing something about being oppressed = doing nothing at all

i'm not going to get into a match with you because i'm not saying that you don't have a valid point. but you misunderstand what i'm trying to say. the point is there are SOME people who are oppressed and their way of dealing with that is to blame someone when there are much more productive was to deal with it. on the other side, for all of the white people who are getting upset that they are being blamed, its not that individuals fault but if they don't likebeing blamed for it, at least understand where the other side is coming from. fighting back and forth isn't gonna solve shit. it just makes everyone defensive and less likely to hear the other persons point.

most importantly, BLACK OR WHITE PERSON IS AN INDIVIDUAL. it wasn't Joe White guy who enslaved your ancestors and if he's against that oppression and supporting your equal rights, why would anyone just lump him into the general group of WHITE MAN OPPRESSION MINORITIES?

>Magical Negros

Witchdoctors/Vodou practitioners never get old.

>Mary Anderson, age 86:
>“I think slavery was a mighty good thing for Mother, Father, me and the other members of the family, and I cannot say anything but good for my old marster and missus, but I can only speak for those whose conditions I have known during slavery and since. For myself and them, I will say again, slavery was a mighty good thing.”

>Simuel Riddick, age 95:
>“My white folks were fine people. . .nbsp;. I haven’t anything to say against slavery. My old folks put my clothes on me when I was a boy. They gave me shoes and stockings and put them on me when I was a little boy. I loved them, and I can’t go against them in anything. There were things I did not like about slavery on some plantations, whupping and selling parents and children from each other, but I haven’t much to say. I was treated good.”

>Sylvia Cannon, age 85:
>“Things sure better long time ago then they be now. I know it. Colored people never had no debt to pay in slavery time. Never hear tell about no colored people been put in jail before freedom. Had more to eat and more to wear then, and had good clothes all the time ’cause white folks furnish everything, everything. Had plenty peas, rice, hog meat, rabbit, fish, and such as that.”

>The American Slave: A Composite Autobiography, George P. Rawick

Looks like the American negro didn't have it so bad after all.

>>4855104
And despite all these horrible (mostly fabricated) injustices American negroes have a longer life expectancy, higher average income, and higher quality of life than any of their ancestors or their unenslaved brethren back in Africa. The closer Negroes are to human civilization the better their lives are.

So basically the big complaint is that Whites are unable to make blacks human no matter how much we pamper them and throw at them. What evil bastards those whites are, conspiring with evolution and slowly hatching their plot over tens of thousands of years. Damn them!

everyone is just looking for a large enough group of people that can reasonable take resonsibility to blame. i will say though that as much as each individual is responsible for his actions, because people are hardwired to group everything into specific categories, if one person does something fucked up, most of the other people, if not all of them, that look like that person will be expected to do the same.

black guy robs white lady >> white lady thinks all black people are bad

asian guy does martial arts >> people believe all asian people know martial arts

white guy likes to kill black people >> every white person likes to kill black people

im not just trying to defend white peoples actions, im pointing out that everyone is susceptible to bandwagon and generalization based on little to no evidence.

>>4855190
If you're not trying to defend our actions then fuck off. Grovelling before these people isn't going to make them like you, have some damn pride.

>>4855190

Well usually stereotypes come about when it's multiple people of one subset who share those activities.

Like southern people liking grits, or the whole black people liking fried chicken and watermelon.

But your point still stands.

>>4855199

You make no sense. First you accuse someone of being racist and now you say race doesn't exist.

>>4855199
>Race doesn't exist

What's your reasoning/evidence behind this belief?

>>4855104

Better have some citations for that enormous amout of horse shit.

This is the robot that never sleeps.

Pic very related. Deal with it.

>>4855207
You misunderstand the leftist mindset. Race is 'real' in that it is real in the minds of reactionaries, which means that it must be treated as an existing entity if only to oppose it.

By the way, rape is also a social construct, after all, the line between consent and non-consent is not binary. It's a continuum.

Other social constructs: Hills, Mountains, Mounds, Red, Yellow, Blue etc.

>>4855214

....what did they say? They went and deleted it.

I think Africa could have been a great power were it not for European colonialism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_Science_on_Intelligence
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050128221025.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15651931
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/mp201185a.html
http://livearchive.org/2011/pdf/2004socialconsequences-groy/

Enjoy, Im sure you naive liberals will lap this up.

We are all one race
DA HUMAN RACE

No, we are the human species and races are very different. It's like claiming a jack russel and a Bull Terrier are the same. They aren't. They are very different.

Get over it, neither superior or inferior. Merely different. Stop posting your egalitarian bullshit. It isn't real and it's down right fucking dangerous.

>>4855223
Yes, if whitey hadn't come across sub-Saharan Africa, only God know what heights the negro race would have achieved. They may have even stumbled upon the wheel at some point.

Curse those white devils!

>>4855172
perfect example of a people being taught what is acceptable. its the same as cosmetic companies establishing the standard for beauty and why so many women are self concious about their looks. they are shown what is pretty and soon believe that that standard is the only standard. or children that lie. children are taught to tell the truth, but when they do, they are often faced with negative reactions whereas the child who lies usually faces positive reactions, causing the children to grow up with the association of lying = positive

>>4854783
because african americans are usually impoverished, they must eat according to their income and cheaper food usually = unhealthier food which leads to african americans haveing higher blood pressure diabetes what have you. last i checked the life expectancy was around 40 or erarly 50.
and african americans certainly do not have the highest average income, depending of course on what area we are looking at. places where job opportunities are higher and workplace discrimination are lower may make your statistic true.

>>4855223
>I think Africa could have been a great power were it not for European colonialism.

Why then, did no great power ever emerge in Africa prior to European colonialism?

>>4855233
>perfect example of a people being taught what is acceptable.

They weren't taught anything. They accepted the reality of their existence and made the best of it, which a lot of the time was actually a rather good existence, by the standards of the time.

The only people who 'taught' them in an institutionalized sense were the White Liberals who told them they were enslaved, and even then most of them paid no notice of it (see Harriet Tubman's comments about how most 'slaves' didn't even know they were enslaved).

Emancipation is a social construct.

>>4855223
This.
The Congo is a shithole now because of the Belgians for example

Also lol at the bigot demanding citations while not providing them himself and the strawman arguments everywhere

All this racism is no surprise to me; it is Asia, after all. It doesnt really bother me. I think we make too big of a deal about it, what else did you expect from countries full of one race people? I only give them money for their delicious foods so the anime part doesnt affect me. Besides what are you going to discuss? mr popo annnnnnnd.....

No offense but why waste time talking about a culture that doesnt affect us as a people, and will never change its views due to being a majorty one race place?

We promise you nothing but the truth

>>4855233
>workplace discrimination

Prove there is widespread workplace discrimination in the United States.

>>4855223

>European colonialism happened in the 1800s
>Greatest archiectual achievement from sub saharan africans was a clay temple and a giant mud defense wall.

>Meanwhile, Europe develops steam power

Roman cities 2000 YEARS ago were better than africna cities NOW. Other than electricity, that's their only beneift. The sewage systems were better, the laws were better, the governments were better.

Why didn't they do anything for 2000 fucking years?

And before anyone pipes up with the ''GREAT ZIMBABWE'' or the mali empire. Seriously... They are nothing compared to everywhere else.

Mud walls and wooden huts are not improvement. 1800 years since christ or whatever timeline your prefer and they were still dependent on mud walls and wooden huts.

They skipped the bronze age and learnt metallurgy from other cultures. They had Iron before Europe thanks to other civilizations but what did they do with it?

Jack shit.

You are delusional.

>>4855249
>The Congo is a shithole now because of the Belgians for example

Haha, no. Complete opposite actually. The Belgian Congo at the time of independence was one of the wealthiest territories in Africa. It offered universal secondary education and near-universal healthcare. It was a similar story thoughout colonial Africa in the 20th century, and after the 1950s, when the rest of Africa began to fall apart, Rhodesia and South Africa began to attract millions of migrants from neighbouring countries. The largest hospital in Africa was built in RSA for the use of blacks only (it's now decrepit and suffering from mass staff shortages due to skills flight).

While the rest of Africa was being torn apart by war, South Africa and Rhodesia had average lifespans of over 60 and the highest living standards for blacks in all Africa. This was a humiliation for the OAU, of course, so together with the UN, the Communist Bloc, and their sympathisers in the West, they successfully destroyed the governments of these two nations, which are now a shadow of their former selves. Millions of people dying every year, not only from AIDS, but also from easily treated, tragically previously eliminated diseases like TB.

>>4855250
>Now you're assuming science is reliable
Wait, bare assertions hold more water than scientific results now? This is /new/s to me.

>>4855190
i apologize if im not willing to take any one side on this issue. don't be mistaken little one. i have no reason to grovel for acceptance. i'm only stating my veiw on things. what exactly do you expect to get from blaming an entirety of people who may not ALL be to blame? do you not think that my point is valid? what about other ethnic groups making the assumption that all black people steal just because they witnessed on black person doing it? this isn't about just whte or black either. every group of anyone, be it black, white, asian, hispanic, gay, republican or democratic are susectble to generalization and categoriation and stereotypes due to a small bit of information. this is a valid point.

>>4855249

Well when you're making claims that there's people who are organizing the hunting down of humans in this day and age, you kinda have to have proof. That it happened, there is no doubt, that it STILL to the day happens, there is much doubt. They obviously got their information somewhere and burden of proof is on the person who made the claim.

Shit like that would be all over the news.

>>4855233

>Discrimination

That's why 90% of the builders in the south prior to the civil rights act were black. Those so called mena old whiteys and their discrimination hired black builders by the truckload.

WHY?

Because they had a skill. If you have a skill, you get hired. The better and rarer your skill, the better you are at it makes you more preferable. The so called racists had no problem with hiring people so why is it different now?

It isn't. They simply aren't as skilled thanks to fuckstains like you who pushed theit entitlement complex. Well done. Before welfare, blacks had lower unemployment than whites. Now look.

Liberals. Always shitting it up with their bullshti and NEVER thinking of the consequences.

>>4855223
ahahaahahahahahah. thanks for that one dude. i'm not even exaggerating when i say i lol'd

>Leftism

>>4855257

Actually Ethopia used to be a thriving country in the time of the Roman and the Greeks, the used to do trade with them on the the Nile. Being on the Nile probably helped with their advancement.

Don't know what happened after that.

>>4855288

They....just want to watch the world burn?

>>4855258
>ignoring what happened under Leopold II
should have expected that, your grasp of history is only considered accurate by hate groups

>>4855289
>Actually Ethopia used to be a thriving country in the time of the Roman and the Greeks

They were a petty Kingdom that produced some half-decent art. Nothing more.

>>4855293
We're not talking about that, nor am I "ignoring" it. Are you disputing that the infrastructure projects Leopold put in place raised the standard of living of the average Congolese? Really?

>>4855293

So the religon of rape and triba warfare is whiteys fault is it?

They were doing this long before whites came along and they went back to doing it when they went away.

Tell me, why didn't Spain turn to a complete shithole full of rape and murder and failing governments after the Moors subjugated and conquered them for 700 years? They became the conquistaodrs and conquered their conquerers then expanded.

Why didn't Africa advance with all this new technology and science?

Blame whitey isn't an argument, it isn't logical and there is no evidence behind especially when every other conquered nation got the fuck along with it.

>>4855279
Well, think about it this way.

The reason why the whole "entitlement" complex was pushed onto blacks was because of the fact that they were treated as second class citizens in America. Think of it as being a "gift" for being treated so poorly.

However, instead of it being so minor of an issue. It's become this overblown ploy of trying not to make yourself look racist. It's annoying as crap and it actually makes you look more racist, in my opinion.

>>4855279
you are doing a fine job of raging and blowing my entire point out of proportion. all of my statements where situational. if the area is more impoverished, then employment may not be as high. if tehre happened to be an area where there was a trend of employees refusing to hire certain people, be it obviously or in a way that no one notice, then employment may be lower.

most situations are probable, though not definite, and not everything it this or that. there are inbetweens

>>4855301
Oh you mean the railroads built to ship the rubber harvested by slave labor

I bet you think the casement report is a hoax because it clashes with your deranged worldview

>>4855314
You're right that the entitlement complex was pushed onto blacks, but it's not because they were 'second class citizens', it's because they cannot achieve racial parity with whites and thus liberals use this to engender hatred against whites on the part of blacks, chalking this disparity up to 'racism' and using racial discrimination (AA, four-fifths, disparate impact etc) in order to bring about racial parity.

>>4855326
No, I mean the telegraph wires, the towns, the sewers, the canals, and yes, the industry that provided jobs and a livelihood for tens of thousands of people who were able to afford a standard of living several orders of magnitude above what they'd been used to living as nomadic hunter-gatherers prior to the European arrival.

>>4855321
>if tehre happened to be an area where there was a trend of employees refusing to hire certain people, be it obviously or in a way that no one notice, then employment may be lower.

So your only 'evidence' of racial discrimination in the employment market is the possibility blacks are underrepresented in certain fields?

This doesn't constitute 'proof' by any standard I've ever seen. Can we chalk up East Asian overrepresentation in certain fields to their own ethnic nepotism as well then?

IIT: "Well you guys were the ones that......." and
"Look what you did to us/Look what we did for you"

>>4855329
It's funny thought.

The whole entitlement deal, in my opinion, causes people to be more racist towards you because they end up thinking that you only got in your position due to affirmative action.

I'm a person of color, and that's always been my biggest fear is that people are saying, "you aren't worth shit, you just got here because they had to put you here".

:/ Man, fuck history...

>>4855350
>though
Fuck it being late too.

Europeans are the most attractive. We also have the most natural diversity. Different hair colors, different eye colors, different skin tones.

Haters gonna hate.

>>4855344
i don't believe my intent is to provide facts. i'm saying IF, not WHEN. i never said it was concrete, always happening, totally true. but it could be a possibility. do you know the societal makeup of ever area where unemplyment rates are determined? no and neither do i. so neither of us could really know if any of these things are true or not. i can only speculate and provide possible reason why two different conclusions on the topic were reached.

>>4855335
>Higher standard of living
>population decreases by at least 15%

>We'd address problems such as white privilege

What is "white privilege"? It is the privilege of allowing tens of millions of non whites to flood your homeland and allow them to whine and complain endlessly.

It is the privilege to have large portions of your tax money go towards providing free primary schooling, free college, free healthcare, free housing,free food and even free money for foreigners and other non whites.

It is the privilege of often being targeted by these other groups for rape and other violent crimes. It is the privilege of having your own children brainwashed by the schools funded by your tax dollars, and told your people are evil, and they should be ashamed of themselves and their ancestors. It is the privilege to be systematically pushed down by marxist affirmative action laws, in an attempt to level the playing field.

It is the privilege of becoming a minority in the lands founded and bult by your ancestors. It is the privilege of being told how you must remain silent and watch your own genocide, because to do otherwise would mean you are a racist, and society has told us a racist is the worst kind of person, worse than even a rapist or thief.

>>4855367
>>4855367
>>4855367

I FEEL SO PRIVILEGED!

>>4855362
>could be a possibility

So could many other naked assertions I just decide to drum up for the hell of it.

>>4855350
i know the feeling. being the tolken black person especially kills.
its like being the only women in a workplace. they treat either like your 1] a cool new electronic device or the special kid in class that everyone wanted to feel welcome and the same as everyone else. they try to be so non-racist that it gets to be awkward.

Uh oh
We've caused his persicutory delusions to surface

>>4855366
What the fuck are you talking about? The Congo's population increased decade-on-decade throughout the late 19th and 20th centuries.

Whites are the only true people of Color.
Whites are the only race that exhibits the unique genetic characteristics which produce
blonde, red, auburn, brown, and black hair colors, shades of skin from milky white to golden bronze complexions, and eye colors of blue, green, golden, brown and black.
Other races are genetically predisposed to produce shades of brown and black,
thus they are not people of "Color."

>>4855350

>I'm a person of colour

Right there. What does that even mean? Person of colour. You know what it means? It means non-white.

It's a bullshit liberal term meant to unite all non-whites.

I don't care about your race and nethier do most people. If you are skilled and you do it well, you'll get hired. If you hate the idea that people will think you got your place due to AA, then do something about it.

Race isn't just the colour of your skin, it is everything. It is your genetics. It makes up your potential.

If are going to claim race, put it out right. Don't push ridiculous terms with no point.

>>4855366

Are you retarded? African population has increased from 200 millions to over 1 billion in a few decades. And there's no signs of stopping it.

They are able to breed like rats due to our medicine and technology. While our own fertility rates are below replacement rate. That's right, the West has a fertility rate below the rate needed just to keep the same population. We're too altruistic for our own good.

You need a 2.1 fertility rate to stay at replacement rate.

>>4854923
blackface is when someone paints their skin black and puts on red lipstick with exagurated lips
(I exclude mr.popo cosplay from this. because he is awesome)
not when you put fake tanner on your skin to cosplay a tan/black character
get that shit straight
>picture related.
this is black face
not a girl with light skin putting on fake tanner/brown body paint to look like the character.

that's like saying tan people who use foundation to make their skin lighter are making fun of people with light skin.
stupid

>>4855367
hate to add this in there....but america was kinda....stolen from a people that already lived here.

inb4: other people did/do it too [fallacy of pointing to another wrong]

I once had a liberal hypocrite in my car who I was driving home from a New Years party and who in the course of the conversation called me a 'bigoted racist', so I intentionally drove into a 'Black neighbourhood' and told her to get out of the car and catch a train to her place....she nearly had a nervous breakdown screaming 'Are you crazy, this area is dangerous'. I told her 'Dont worry, get out and find a group of nice black males to escort you to the nearest station'. She began begging not to be put out...... I looked at her and said 'Next time lady be extra careful who you call a bigoted racist because hYpocrites are a bloody sight worse!

>>4855393

This.

>>4855403
>inb4: other people did/do it too [fallacy of pointing to another wrong]

When we say other people conquered and subjugating, we're not pointing to 'another wrong', we're pointing to the realities of human nature made manifest.

Pacifism is an ideal, War is a fact.

>>4855383

If you don't like it. Move. You live in a nation with a majority white population.

I dont move to Africa and bitch. They WILL treat me differently. That is a fact. Except in Africa, I could be treated well or I will get killed. Im glad Im not a woman as I would probably get raped too.

Honestly. OH NOES... THEY TREAT ME DIFFERENTLY BUT THEY ARE NICE.

Compared to a white moving to Africa

OH HELLO, IM SURE OUR RACE DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, IM SURE WE CAN GET ALO- ARGH

I laugh at this racial bullshit. It isn't whites filling up flash mobs and beating the shit out of blacks kids. It's the other way round but noone reports it as a hate crime becuase only whites are racist, apparently.

>>4855403

I guess so, but I don't live in America. I live in Norway, and we are being swamped with immigrants that don't belong here. Soon Norway will not even be Norwegian anymore. How is that right? We never even had any sort of Imperialism/Colonialism.

If I'm "racist" because I don't want my people to die out, then so be it. I don't care.

>>4854923

So it's OK when Dave Chappelle whites his face and pretends to be his white friend ''chip''

Get over it. If you don't like it, dont watch or look. It isn't harming anyone. I cna laugh at ''Chip Whiteface'' and Im sure others can laugh at ''Tyrone Black face''

>>4855413

Um, just pointing out this is an overreaction to something that people are saying is a minor annoyance to them.

You don't like it when people bitch in a free country, you move, back to the country of your ancestors origin.

>>4855402
> not when you put fake tanner on your skin to cosplay a tan/black character

yea...have you ever seen fair skinned people cosplaying brown characters and using pitch black makeup to portray brown skin....because i have....and by your own definition, thats what black face is.

>>4855403

How is it a fallacy? The North American tribes did the exact same thing. They killed eachother for land. When the settles came, they took those guns and used them against other tribes and took their land.

It was the way of things. You conquer and progress or you get conquered. Briton learned the hard way... 3 times.

>>4855426

Yes, that's blackface you're correct.

But using a fake tanner is not. Otherwise there's a lot of airbrush tanned bimbos out there in black face.

I don't know what you're arguing here.

>>4855394
And that's what the world should be and what the U.S. used to be.

Because work-places, universities, etc. have to meet a certain racial standard, it kind of feels like everything has dropped significantly just because we cannot focus on skills to make ourselves better; we have to focus on how many Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, and Asians are in a company even if they are bad workers.

>>4854966

Subsaharan africa never had any domestic animals and thus no wheel. Stop being retarded.

>>4855439
Wrong! Africa has indigenous breeds of sheep, goats and cattle which were spread from the Sudan to the Cape by 200AD. The South Americans domesticated the llama. The North Americans, like the Aboriginals of Australia, almost hunted their domesticable mammals to extinction. Why didn't Europeans hunt horses, cows and sheep to extinction?

>>4855389
>late 19th century
>decades after the end of the Congo free state
>decades after the massacres, famines and epidemics

You can't refute it so you try to confuse the issue
And I assume you live in the EU, where genocide denial is illegal
You use the anonymity here as a way to vent your disgusting hate

>>4855425

I'm a Brit. I'm in my ancestors origin.

>>4855447

Not involved but you're being very vehement and borderline disgusting in the way you argue. Stop accusing people who do not agree with you of hating as that looks like all you're doing. Hating.

>>4855445

What domestic sheep, name them. Most of the animals in subsaharan are untamable. Also, who cares about llama, they were very inefficient farm animals. and cannot bare heavy loads ffs.

>>4855439

Do you actually think Dogs were always domestic?

At one point they were wild wolves.

>no domestic animals
ohwow.jpg

>>4855453

If you mean the UK cool, then you should shut the fuck up about American issues you honestly do not apparently know a lick about.

>>4855452

Non of those animals are tamable, zebras are too jumpy due to their environment same with elephants. and any other african wildlife.

>>4855436
ya know...i'm not trying to argue anything. while black face is a bit.....uncomfortable to see given the association with non black people doing it to parody/make fun of black people, im not all up in arms. but other people may be. really, this entire thread is essentially, two sides arguing about who has it worse.

>>4855457
>Most of the animals in subsaharan are untamable.

Dogs started off as wolves. And wolves were equally as "untameble" as ;lions and hyenas.

>>4855463
The Indians had domesticated Elephants you dumb faggot.

>>4855413
However, you can't exactly say that when it comes to America because America is a giant vat of different races.

No matter you race, if your ancestors came from slavery and shit, you are American, and this is your home.

>>4855463

Man then those people who have them in circus acts must be fucking WIZARDS.

>>4855458

Wolves have had a symbiotic relationship with humans even when they were wild. African wild life did not.

Zebras for instancecannot be tamed to ride on same with african elephants.

>>4855459

Nope. You are pointing out bullshit and Im calling you out on it.

If you don't like living in a society full of whites then leave. I would not expect to be treated the same in Africa so why expect the same treatment in the US.

Races self segregate. They develop mistrust of eachother naturally. Sure I can have african or Turkish friends. I cna make friends with any racial demograp but that is an individual aspect and not a population. Racial populations don't get along.

Then again, if a black person walked through an all white area, they wont recieve an issue other than perhaps a few odd looks. If a white person walked from a black area, they will recieve more than just odd looks.

Just letting you guys know this is a /new/ invasion and they posted it on their shit site so all 4 of them can come here and samefag/pity party about the plight of the disadvantaged white man in this crazy anti white world or something

what a pathetic bunch of losers.

>>4855467

>Comparing indian elephant to African elephant

Jesus christ

IT doesn't matter if wolves are wild, they are apporachable, african wildlife is not.

>>4855471
>Wolves have had a symbiotic relationship with humans even when they were wild.

So one day Wolves just magically decided they would bro up with Humans.

>>4855481

They've broed up with humans since the fucking stone age.

>>4855459

Actually that namefag was pretty much correct. And why should someone be silenced from discussing issues in another country? I suppose that goes along the lines with the "ignorant American" stereotype. Good job continuing the stereotype, your just like a black person that makes a living off of welfare fraud, armed robbery, and drug trafficking.

>>4855476
So then the English, French, and Spanish should have left the Americas alone when they saw that the land was populated with Native American tribes.

>>4855471

>Zebras for instancecannot be tamed to ride on same with african elephants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M98zPLJ2Ub0

Your ignorance is astounding. Didn't you even google before you typed that bullshit?

>>4855476
you sir [or mam] are making very bold and extremely biased assumptions based on what you think, want to think, or been taught to think will happen. if a white person walked through black neighborhood, anything or very
likely nothing could happen. and vice versa. unless you can predict all future outcomes of every situation to ever take place, you are making unwarranted generalization. i can't take your argument seriously. sorry.

>>4855480


>>4855485
They "bro'd up" with wolves because they were fucking domesticated. It wasn't something that just happened overnight. The reason we have different breeds of dogs is because we breed them to be specialized

>>4855476

Not the anon you were originally arguing with.

You're telling people to GTFO because of a minor annoyance. I'm telling you to shut the fuck up because you are uneducated on the nuances of our society, and very obviously so.

You may have had some points but they're lost in your overwhelming stupidity and heavily ingrained racism.

Sage for arguing with a goddamn moron.

>>4855490

> A picture with zero context used as evidence.

Please don't be as stupid to think that just posting a picture of some guy on a zebra shows they are domesticale. Never mind the fucking context.

>>4855493
You do realize that Blacks are fifty times more likely to commit hate crimes against whites than whites against blacks.

>>4855502
Perhaps you missed the video of the man riding the zebra above

>>4855486
cuz according to this thread, ya know, all black people do that all the time.

>>4855502

>zero context
>posted a youtube link.

Are you just in blind denial now?

>>4855502

...Did you watch the video included in the post?

God damn you're retarded.

>>4855506

It doesn't prove shit, a few people riding zebras doesn't mean they are domesticanle as a species.

>>4855487

The Moors should have done the same with Spain.
The Romans with Briton
The Vikings with Briton
The Normans With Briton
The Turks with Eastern Europe
The Mongols with Eastern Europe

Im sure history would be more conveniant if we all got the fuck along but that doesn't happen.

Either you conquer or you die. Had the americans ever developed the technology they would done the same to Europeans. They had land. Europeans wanted it. Much the same way American Tribes wanted eachothers land and killed them for it.

There is no difference. Europeans were simply better. They had been conquered many many times before and they pushed off their shackles and expanded. Had the Moors not ivnaded Spain, Spain would enver have deleveloped such an exspansive conquering ideology. Just 50 years after they threw off the last of the Moorish conquerers, they set their sights on America and Briton.

You conquered, or you were conquered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhSZeS5PoN8

Don't be fucking stupid please.

>>4855455
>BAWW STOP CALLING ME A BIGOT
Minorities didn't choose to be that way and you hate them

You are hated because of something you chose

>>4855503
i want to ask you honestly, why do you think that is? i'm not tryin to rile you up, i just want your opinion on why. because i hear things like that alot without any speculative reasoning behind it. im not trying to lead you into a rage trap either. just curious.

>>4855486

cute of you to drop your name for that one post.

But telling someone simply bitching about a minor annoyance to MOVE BAK 2 AFRIKA is stupid as shit. Especially when you don't even understand what they're talking about as he so clearly demonstrated.

It's the equivillant of some going "Man, I wish this tea were slightly less sweet" and someone else yelling "IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE TEA IN THAT RESTAURANT I'M NOT EVEN IN GO BACK TO YOUR GRANDMAS HOUSE."

>>4855511

>It doesn't prove shit, a few people owning wolves doesn't mean they are domesticanle as a species.

>It doesn't prove shit, a few people petting wild cats doesn't mean they are domesticanle as a species.

>>It doesn't prove shit, a few people riding horses doesn't mean they are domesticanle as a species.

And yet here we are.

>>4855447
The Congo Free State only lasted for 20 years towards the tail end of the 19th century you complete idiot.

Ok look
>im black
>got good grades in high school
>start college in a week
>have my own car
>getting my registration as a CNA soon
>i despise rap music

Not all blacks in this country run the stereotype. It seems to me throughout most of this thread that blacks are the "bad guys".
Now I really dont care if you dont like blacks at all. Thats something I can respect. And I hold nothing against you for that.
But just so you know, all blacks dont run the stereotype.
If you happen to have a question to ask me then dont be afraid.

>>4855511
Just leave.

I guess the Europeans didn't domesticate the horse, as all we did was ride around on them. I guess we didn't domesticate sheep, as all we could do was lead them by the nose.

Artificially altering an animals behavior IS domestication. Over generations there is little we cannot change.

>>4855517

Umm, what? Dude, I'm a minority. Nice strawman for anyone who disagrees with you. They automatically have to be some bigoted white bitch.

You're disgusting because you cannot have a civil conversation with people who you disagree with, it has nothing to do with anyone else's race.

>>4855493

It is a fact. If a white person walked though a black area, it is FAR more likely something bad will happen to them for the simple fact black communities are rife with crime.

A story of a silly liberal girl who wanted to ride her bike around america and help all those poor impoverished black people. She shot while riding her bike. She wasn't even robbed, simply killed for little to no reason.

Flash mobs beating whites up.

These are all racial hatred that noone dares talk about.

I live in London. You have no idea. They can claim there wasn't a racial point to make. They can post the odd white face but any londoner will tell yuo what they were and they were NOT white.

>>4855520
Lower average IQ and more testosterone

>>4855509

You gotta be kidding, you post an odd ball picture of a guy riding a zebra and that proves that they can be used for husbandry? Are you stupid?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhSZeS5PoN8

Seriously, know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>4855471
>Wolves have had a symbiotic relationship with humans even when they were wild.

[citation needed]

>African elephant
>not domesticable

The larger elephants that live within sub-saharan Africa, no, or - more aptly, they're a lot harder to domesticate.

But there are skeletal remains of the 'pygmy' elephants of North Africa as far South as places like Mozambique, clearly they existed at some point, before the blacks hunted them to extinction.

>>4855526

There's only a few people here trying to make that claim but equally rampant in the thread is the idea that all white people are inherently disgusting , horrible bigots.

No one is a stereotype. We're all individuals. The more people realize this the less stupidity there will be in the world.

>>4855527

No, it's not dumbass. That's not how domestication work. You don't mind control the animal.

>>4855499

>Ad Hominem
>Strawman
>Refutes no points and claims I know nothign without a proper rebuttal

I do not hate silly anon. I simply tell you like it is. These are facts. Blacks commit VASTLY more crime and if a white person visited Africa, they are in FAR more danger than an African vitisng America or any other white majority nation.

>>4855523
heheh
>"IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE TEA IN THAT RESTAURANT I'M NOT EVEN IN GO BACK TO YOUR GRANDMAS HOUSE."

that made me giggle. i prefer friendly arguments, more fun that way, but sadly they usually turn sour once someone says the wrong thing. wish this thread could be more sportsman like, but the zebra tangent was pretty random ass funny.

>>4855531
There are widespread cases of Zebras being domesticated in colonial holdings in Africa. All it would take is a couple of centuries of selective breeding and you've got yourself an entire population of domesticated zebras.

You're just parroting arguments from Guns Germs and Steel by the way, any idiot can see that, oh... And Diamond was wrong about the variety of crops available in Sub-Saharan Africa too.

>>4855523

Wasn't that pretty much what you were doing? MOVE BACK TO AFRICA = DON'T TALK ABOUT MY COUNTRY GTFO

Sorry if you had already discussed this with "me", because it wasn't.

>>4855532
No, those were Carthage's elephants, you can blame rome for their extinction.

>>4855532

And, we know those animals are domesticable how exactly? And, alot of animals were hunted to extinction, dodo, wooly mammoths, etc? Where the fuck are you going with this?

>>4855540

No, he's free to continue his argument. But telling people to move over what is essentially a minor grievence while showing astounding ignorance is stupid.

Then again he's now blathering on about how it's a fact white people will be assaulted. Without any form of evidence to back that up.

He's just a bitter as BritFag mad about the riots and using it as an excuse of his racism.

>>4855526
The guy arguing alongside Tik Tok here.

I don't hate black people, in fact, I wish the best for you people. And I hope one day the Negroids turn Africa into a prosperous continent.

I just hate multiculturalism and diversity. It turns politics away from the economic issues and makes the political, democratic system into a racial battleground. Where people try to explain group distances using "institutionalized racism/sexism", and say that theft through affirmative action is the answer.

Humanity cannot handle multiculturalism. End the hate, seperate

>>4855539

[Citation needed]

The video I posted isn't from jared diamond, btw.

ITT: White People don't know shit about being ethnic but pretend they do.
It's okay I forgive you :] I don't like trust us either.

>>4855534
>>4855534
Exactly. Do you really think I care about how "whites are horrible people"? I could care less.
People are all different and have their own opinions.
I can ignore the ignorant assholes that say "all blacks are bad". If a white person said it, I dont instantly think all whites are bad.
For fucks sake, my best friend is white.

>>4855543
Because physical anthropologists have confirmed they were from the same sub-species as L. a. pharaoensis you idiot, which WERE domesticated.

>>4855529
i understand your point, and while stuff like that does indeed happen, it doesn't happen all the time. im just asking that you try not to be so general about everything you say because it just makes people that hear your argument take it with a grain of salt.

also, do you not like black people. how do you feel about them? no vendetta, im not into heated debating matches at the moment, just a civil response.

>>4855536

No, you're pretty much hating.

If you were "telling it like it is" you would have some proof to back up your claims.

You're full of shit. And I say this as a white girl who lives in a predominantly black neighboorhood.

>>4855553

Where is your citation for this my good man?

>>4855530
honestly, coming from a black person, thats probable, but it could happen in any group of people where those conditions were true. if not, then its something else thats causing it. is that conclusion reasonable?

>There are widespread cases of Zebras being domesticated in colonial holdings in Africa. All it would take is a couple of centuries of selective breeding and you've got yourself an entire population of domesticated zebras.

Post the cases.

>>4855548
Mirazón Lahr, M. (2010) Saharan Corridors and Their Role in the Evolutionary Geography of ‘Out of Africa I’. In: J.J. Fleagle, J.J. Shea, F.E. Grine, A.L. Baden & R.E. Leakey (Eds.) Out of Africa I: The First Hominin Colonization of Eurasia, pp. 27-46. New York: Springer

>>4855548

You're just pretty clearly determined to remain blind so that you can think you made a valid point aren't you?

How is it possible, if these animals are "undomesticatable" that people have giving you pictures and video of them domesticated?

You have to be a troll, you just HAVE to.

ITT

>>4855556
>And I say this as a white girl who lives in a predominantly black neighboorhood.

Take your ugly black boyfriend and fuck off. God damn it, what the shit is wrong with White women defending their pet apes?

>>4855534
>>4855526

One of my best friends is a Nigerian, the other a Turk. But they know my views and understand it perfectly especially due to the way I explain it.

Neithe rthe Nigerian nor the Turk would want thier homelands filled with non-turks or non-nigerians. They are both British and are most definately two oddballs amongst their population. They actually dislike their population and both dislike the idea of more immigration into Britain.

But they are individuals, they do not represent their population. Individuals are not a population. Why do races, cultures and religons self segregate?

If they are all individuals then why don't they mingle completely. Becuase we are programmaed to be with our own kind. It is instintual and it also why homogenus nations tend to work better.

So if someone wants to call me a bigot or god forbid, a racist. By all means, my friends would tell you to shut your stupid liberal mouth and I would laugh while they do it.

Individuals are not populations

>>4855564
http://www.archive.org/details/pointsofhorsefam00hayerich

See page 311 onwards.

I feel like a lot of people are trying to justify their discomfort and perhaps hatred of non-whites in cosplay/lolita communities. We shouldn't generalize the people in these communities based on statistics that really aren't that related. And anyone who denies that dark-skinned cos players/lolitas aren't as highly regarded as their lighter counterparts is clearly in denial. I understand that some of you may just not have a preference for dark skin but you have to realize that vocalizing this can be offensive and hurtful to some, not to mention unnecessary.

>>4855553

How can physical anthropology show that their behaviors were the same?

>>4855570

Don't have a black boyfriend, or a girlfriend. Got a cute little white girl.

You mad your ignorance is wrong?

>>4855545
>Then again he's now blathering on about how it's a fact white people will be assaulted. Without any form of evidence to back that up.

Ummm, not to sound like an evil racist or anything.... but that is kind of true. The "bad neighbourhoods" often times are the black ones... and blacks do cause a lot more crime in the US than any other racial group. I thought that this was common knowledge, though maybe it is just common knowledge around places with sizable black populations.

And of course this isn't saying that all blacks are criminals, just a higher percentage of them.

>>4855575
Because it shows they were members of the same subspecies, and subspecies share similar behavioural traits.

Holy shit you're stupid.

>>4855572

>I can't be racist my best friend is black

Well it was only a matter of time.

Actually, behind your back they would probably say "Yeah, the dude's racist" but he's a cool guy most of the time.

>>4855566

Because those zebras could be raised in capitivity and we don't even know how obedient they are or if they are usable for husbandry. You can't take a few crackshot examples and use it to color your perception about an entire species numb nut. I already posted proof that Zebras aren't favorable for husbandry.

>>4855550
There is NOTHING sadder than a racist Irish American who in the past were made to do jobs considered too dangerous for black slaves to do

The Irish were considered less valuable than the blacks

Asia knows what's up.

You US people should visit Europe and see what immigration has done to our beautiful countries.

>>4855579


Like indian and african elephants, right?

>>4855577

Not talking about that. Talking about his "flash mobs" of blacks beating up on whites, and staging hate crimes on them and killing them for just being white in the wrong neighborhood.

Higher crime rates yes. Higher crime against whites, not really.

>>4855582
Already addressed in Hayes book I linked. The Quagga (now extinct) was in fact ideal for domestication.

>>4855590

It wasn't addressed, you used an example of an extinct species whose behavior we do not k now as "proof".

>>4855545

So why is there such a massive disparity between white on black and black on whtie crime.

Why do black men commit so much rape compared to white men? Why are they so fond of white women?

Look at the population and the crime in the pic.

Black Crime statistics

Inter-racial rape crime statistics

>In the 111,590 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was white, 44.5 percent of the offenders were white, and 33.6 percent of the offenders were black. In the 36,620 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was black, 100 percent of the offenders were black, and 0.0 percent of the offenders were white. The table explains that 0.0 percent means that there were under 10 incidents nationally.

Source:
http://www.eutimes.net/2007/05/the-truth-of-interracial-rape-in-the-united-states/

Homicide Statistics

>In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites

Source:
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm#ovrace

Single parent family statistics

>There is racial variation in the proportion of families headed by a single parent: 22 percent for white, 57 percent for black, and 33 percent for Hispanic families.

Source:
http://family.jrank.org/pages/1574/Single-Parent-Families-Demographic-Trends.html

Pic Source:
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2011/05/25/california-the-color-of-crime/

>>4855582

God how hard is it for you to say "Huh, I was wrong? I learned something new today." Is it /really/ that difficult for you?

>>4855587
>subspecies

Indian Elephant = Elephas maximus indicus.

North African Elephant = Loxodonta africana pharaoensis.

They're two different subspecies.

Do you even understand taxonomic subdivision?

>>4855583
Fucking Drunks. Irish they'd all leave the country, amirite?

>>4855582

Just because they aren't favorable doesn't mean it can't be done.

You guys do know there are other minorities other than blacks right?

>>4855594
We do have detailed knowledge of its behaviour and morphology as the Quagga was only driven to extinction in the late 19th century, it had been known long before this.

>>4855597

Taxonomic division doesn't include sub-species as a category.

>>4855595

Your links are cute and all but actually kind prove you wrong.

You prove them being more violent. Yes, but not more likely to attack white people for being in their neighborhood.

Going by your statistics a black woman has more of a chance of being assaulted than a white woman.

>>4855602

It was about all minorities until Tik-Tok and his barely concealed rage over black people showed up.

>>4855583
What about all the Native Americans who were torn from there homes and killed? Oh no Irish servitude is much worse than genocide, my bad.

>>4855609
Fucking black people always stealing microphones, blacks, and the all the racist attention.

>>4855605
I can't believe I'm dealing with someone this stupid. Subspecies is well defined, it's even defined at a legal level - See the US Endangered Species Act for example. All it means is an aggregate of phenotypically similar populations of a species inhabiting a geographic subdivision of the range of that species and differing taxonomically from other populations of that species. Hence the difference between Indian and North African Elephants.

>>4855597

So, what subspecies would pygmy elephants belong to, because unless it's the same as indian elephant. I don't see what you're even getting at.

>>4855612

Just because the Native American's had it worse doesn't make what they said any less true.

Now you're just playing the My Horse Is Bigger game.

Gonna take some time, now that the thread is over to post a recruitment image.

>>4855616
>>4855614

WHAT the fuck does any of this matter in the topic of debate. Jeezus.

>>4855583
>made to do jobs considered too dangerous for black slaves

You make it sound as if black slavers were not valued. They were literally property, similar to farm animals. You don't abuse your farm animals if you want them to be productive, and like farm animals, slaves are not cheap. Its not like they were working them to death or to poor health like some sort of fictional story.

>>4855616
"Pygmy" elephant is just a generic term for smaller subspecies of elephant. It's not a taxonomic classification.

>>4855617
Well as a Native American...clearly the size of a horse is very important to me...It's cool man we both love the firewater so let's not fight...

>>4855600

How, magic?

Why waste time and effort on something that won't work when your main priority is hunting for food? This is assuming it can even be used for labor on a consistent basis.

sounds like everyone in this thread arguing back and forth is just feeling under appreciated.

and this isn't about being racist or whatever. its just about not being an ass hat to people that look differently than you. i don't care about "racist", just don't be a dick head and don't try to defend why your being a dick head. just makes you look like more of a dick head.

>>4855580

Yes silly anon. Ignore the ''person of colour'' explaining the same argument.

>>4855551
>For fucks sake, my best friend is white
>For fucks sake, my best friend is white

Like I said. My friend would call you a shitty liberal. The Turk dislikes jews and the Nigerian dislikes Somalians.

We all have our little racial ideologies. Both intend of having children with their own kind.

Why do yuo stupid lbierals believe only whites have racial views? Non whites are very open to theirs so you instantly assume the opposite.

The Senegalese in Africa hate the East Asians moving in.

>>4855624

What subspecies of elephant is what I'm asking, though. Which one.

>>4855624

Alright, I lol'd.

>>4855625
>Why waste time and effort on something that won't work when your main priority is hunting for food?

Depends on the selection pressures of the environment at hand. It's a lot easier to live in Sub-Saharan Africa as a nomadic hunter-gatherer, there is more plentiful game, there's less need for shelter because the Winters aren't coldd and so on. In Europe and North Asia it was different, people NEEDED to develop shelter and plan for the winter and so on, these selection pressures are what led to racial differentiation in the first place (along with differing archaic ancestry of course).

>>4855609
"And Tik-Tok does not like black people...." [Kanye voice]
.....[awkward Mike Meyers eye shift].....

>>4855627
>That image
Did you draw that Tic?

>>4855614

Okay, now can you tell me which sub species those the pygmy elephant fall under. I'm too stupid to know, so, please tell me.

>>4855627

You're making broad assumptions again that only making an ass of you in this case.

You're claiming I have views that I don't.

Saying YOU are racist doesn't mean I think only whites can be racist. It's just pretty clearly you.

If there were someone in here claiming ludicrous things about whites (Like the one further upthread claiming white people gather hunting parties to go hunt down blacks and other minorities for sport) I would call him racist too.

>>4855628
Loxodonta africana pharaoensis.

>>4855632

Nomads were also less likely to settle down and farm and breed food. Guess which life style civilization developed from?

>>4855635
You've asked this question about three times. "Pygmy" elephant is a generic, catch-all term used to describe a number of 'smaller' subspecies of elephants. It is NOT a taxonomic classification unto itself.

Fucking libs man....

>>4855638

In other words African elephants which are hard to domesticate.

This thread needs some non-white cosplay

>>4855627
Im a liberal? I dont even like politics. Could care less actually...
But anyway, what I was trying to say is that some do blacks like whites and vice versa. Not everyone has to hate each other.

>>4855639
Of course, it's also the reason Africans are more stupid. You simply don't require as much brainpower being a hunter-gatherer in a place with a lot of game as you do when planning for winters, sowing seeds and doing shit like crop rotation. Hence there weren't particularly pronounced positive feedback loops selecting for intelligence with Africans to the degree there were with other populations.

>>4855642

I asked because I wanted to know which species was it a sub-species of.

>>4855646

He does, it's the only way he feels good about arguing on 4chan at 9 in the morning rather than doing things.

>>4855643
L. a pharoensis is the North African elephant....

>>4855649

Nomadic tribes aren't stupid, hell the mongols who were nomads had the largest land empire in the world.

>>4855646
Wanting your own people to survive does not mean hating of others. White women that can bear children make up only 2% of the worlds population. Segregation is what we need to survive.

How many people in this thread are even cosplayers or lolita?

I have a feeling we're getting run off of stupid from other boards.

>>4855653

Which makes it a sub-species of the hard to domesticate African elephant.

>>4855655
....And required the populations they conquered to run it for them, and even then it fell apart in less than a century.

But there are varying selection pressures even between nomadic groups. Central Asian steppe tribes are obviously more intelligent than Sub-Saharan Africans because, again, the Central Asian steppes don't contain plentiful game and the climate is a lot more harsh, requiring lower time preference.

>>4855661
Except that the North African elephant was domesticated as far back as antiquity.

>>4855656

Doesn't stop you from being a racist. You may have your little caveats now but you were making a lot of grand generalizing statements based on stereotypes.

Other people can discuss these issues without acting like it's the whole population. I'm sure you can too.

>>4855665
Pro-tip: Most stereotypes are true for the general population

>>4855665

Not him, but let's be reasonable. "Racist" is a meaningless term. If we've reached the point where people like Tik Tok can be called racists for not wanting to become extinct as a distinct ethnic group in their own ancestral homelands then we can safely discard the word as it means fuck all.

>>4855606

They are real statisitcs and I wouldn't say that the obvious and deliberate targetting of white women by black rapists isn't cute at all.

The fact that white males hardly target black women at all and commit a significantly minor amount of rape against their fellow white women compared to non-whites per captia shows a very deliberate message.

>>4855662


Except they domesticated horse earlier than many different peoples Africans didn't.

>>4855664

By whom? and for what.

>>4855670
That's the point. Central Asians are smarter than Sub-Saharan Africans.

>>4855667

Not really, just like with everything where they're groups, it's always the loudest and the worst that give them a bad name.

>>4855674
Carthaginians, Ptolemies - And for all kinds of purposes, as land transport (for men and goods) and as weapons of war.

>>4855675

Africans didn't have horses, you racist piece of shit.

>>4855661
Okay, I've been following this thread and started with neutral opinions about this whole thing but you, ma'am, are an idiot. You're wrong and have been proven wrong multiple times throughout this thread. You are clearly in the defensive, blindly clinging to preconceived assumptions because you refuse to admit you are wrong.

If a talking zebra or elephant told you that they can be easily domesticated, you will still claim that it doesn't count due to -insert next excuse-.

Really, it's pretty damn funny. Do go on.

>>4855656
any yet most of the things you've said have disproven your current claim. sure doesn't sound like you don't treat people different. sounds like your making good use of your "i have black friends" excuse. and while i won't discount your knowledge of american society, i will say that actually living in it is vastly different from reading statistics about it. there are many instances where media will purposely portray the negative side of black culture or the side that non-black people expect to see which can often be negative. i live in the bay area and i believe they did a documentary of the gangs of oakland and all this shit....really, the bay area is probably one of the most diverse and accepting places ive been. hell 4 hour to chico and everything changes for the worse. it all depends on the environment and the mindset of the people i guess. but hay, you'll probably disregard everything i'm saying and rebuttal with "something something black people are worse because look at what i found on the internet and my black friend told me about it and its all their fault" but thats your way of thinking, not mine.

>>4855680

They were used for warfare not agarian labor and required strenious time to capture.

>>4855669
That white women are better for raping?

>>4855681
And the Equidae of twenty thousand years ago were only reminiscent of modern Horses by morphology alone, they were just as wild and brazen as zebras, yet Europeans managed to domesticate them. Same with the Ostrich.

>>4855669

What? Read those statistics again.

The majority of the rapists when the girl was white? WHITE. 33% were black.

The majority of the rapists when the girl was Black? Black. 0 were white.

How can you claim that there is an "obvious and dliberate targetting of white women by black rapists" when your OWN statistics prove you wrong.

Now you're just sounding paranoid on top of everything else.

>>4855682

>Talking elephant

That's not the case, though. So, you're just making yourself look like a fucking idiot.

>>4855665

The term racist simply means that you believe that races are different. So in that context, I'm a racist. Of course we are different, we are very different. We are genetically very different.

If an african or asian feels oppressed by an opposing racial majority they can simply move away to their homelands.

Where will whites go once they are minorities in their own lands? Right now, the racial tension from non-whites to whites bubbles. Yet we are a majority and we give such insane priviledge to immigrants and on natives yet we are treated like shit for it in our own lands.

How will it be when we are the minority. I have seen what happaned in Haiti, Detroit, South Africa. I would rather die than let that happen here.

This is a deadly serious issue that most would prefer ot ignore. It is a bubbling issue that EXPLODED in London. It WILL explode eslewhere. Already flash mobs are attacking whites in the US.

>>4855691
Can someone summarize this argument to me. It looks boring and a bit unrelated.

>>4855690
Me and my friends gangbanged some white bitch the other day.they be hoes.

>>4855691

WTF does that have to do with zebras?

>>4855689
Seems like you're just making stuff up now sis.

They weren't used as beasts of burden because there were other beasts of burden who already fulfilled that role. We're not discussing domestication for the sake of pulling ploughs, we're discussing domestication in of itself. And the North African elephant was very clearly domesticated.

There's also the question why Africans did not cultivate the multitude of crops they had available, or domesticate the sheep native to sub-saharan Africa.

>>4855695
My homeland was invaded by whites...D:

>>4855702
Where do you come from?

>>4855699
I mean if I had to choose between a white and a black chick to rape. I'd probably pick the white chick, just saying.

Leftists. How do you explain the fact that Black students from families with incomes of $80,000 to $100,000 score considerably lower on the SAT than White students from families with $20,000 to $30,000 incomes? How do you explain why social class factors, all taken together, only cut the Black-White achievement gap by a third? Culture-only theory cannot predict these facts; often its predictions are opposite to the empirical results.

>>4855695
racism |ˈrāˌsizəm|
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
• prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief

looks like you didn't read the bit about >"esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."
your bad

>>4855668

There's a difference between what you claim he is doing and what he is actually doing.

The dude's not a racist for not wanting to be extinct. The dude's a racist for being a paranoid fuck claim that black men are seeking out to do harm to white women and having racist ideas.

>>4855704
Montana...

>>4855701

No, no, no we are duscussing domestication for the sake of agriculture because agriculture leads to high civilization. Are you saying domestication for warfare leads to civilization, didn't do it for the mongols and you agree'd. Which was my point.

>>4855704

America. The Native's were here first and then white people invaded. Duh.

>>4855706
Black people have horrible role models.

>"In 1985 a federal district judge took partial control over the troubled Kansas City, Missouri, School District (KCMSD) on the grounds that it was an unconstitutionally segregated district with dilapidated facilities and students who performed poorly. In an effort to bring the district into compliance with his liberal interpretation of federal law, the judge ordered the state and district to spend nearly $2 billion over the next 12 years to build new schools, integrate classrooms, and bring student test scores up to national norms.”

The judicial branch ordered the legislative branch to spend money, and told it exactly how to do it.

>"Kansas City spent as much as $11,700 per pupil - more money per pupil, on a cost of living adjusted basis, than any other of the 280 largest districts in the country. The money bought higher teachers' salaries, 15 new schools, and such amenities as an Olympic-sized swimming pool with an underwater viewing room, television and animation studios, a robotics lab, a 25-acre wildlife sanctuary, a zoo, a model United Nations with simultaneous translation capability, and field trips to Mexico and Senegal. The student-teacher ratio was 12 or 13 to 1, the lowest of any major school district in the country."

How did that turn out?

>"The results were dismal. Test scores did not rise; the black-white gap did not diminish; and there was less, not greater, integration."

What does that tell you about funding not making a difference, or at least not as much as g?

This is /cgl/ Shouldn't we be comparing whites to Asians? Or is cause those fuckers are really good at math?

Nothing wrong with black people, but even some black men hate Somalians.

>>4855708
Black men do target white women disproportionately though, the DoJ's rape statistics quite clearly show that they go out of their way to do this.

I mean fuck, just look at cases like the Wichita Massacre. You can't tell me there's not a deep undercurrent of hatred for Whites (largely inculcated by White liberals ironically enough) in Blacks, to make them do such things to people.

Of course you;ve never heard of it, black on white massacres and crimes don't even get 1/100th of the airtime the comparatively smaller number of white on black crimes do. Some 'white privilege'....

>>4855710

No, you guys were discussing whether the animals were domesticatible at ALL.

>>4855687

What's the positive side to black culture?

Why is white culture so law abiding yet black culture surrounds gang murder and ghettos? This isn't a stetotype, it is a fact.

In London, the ghettos are filled with africans. They were given free education, healthcare, welfare, housing, the same rights natives get. These areas were once propserous areas and now they are full of crime.

Why is gun crime ONLY a problem in the ''black'' community? This is England, we had no slavery and these people arrived in the 70s. Why did their areas turn to shit? Why do they kill eachother on such enormous levels?

We had none of the americna slavery yet they act just as bad as american thug ghettos.

The more intelligent ones get out of these areas but onyl a few. The majority stya there and continue the cycle of violence.

>>4855710
Uh, no, we're discussing domestication. We've always been discussing domestication. I've never made any comments as to wear domestication 'leads' either. Stop strawmanning, take the vibrator out of your cavernous cunt and start telling the truth for once in your miserable life.

>>4855719

No, we were discussiong why the wheel was never invented in sub saharan africa.

>>4855713

If they are from a household that makes over $80k a year, that doesn't sound like they are missing role models. That's probably the households where the parents are actually there.

Also, isn't it racist to imply that role models for blacks can only be other blacks? Personally I never considered race to be a factor in anything when I was a kid.

>>4855713
ya know, we have good role models but they are undermined by the big obnoxious idiots that enforce the idea that sports/rapping/african american entertainment stereotype job will get you to the success level of the white man. really though, black people have been inset in that court jester/ entertainer role for quite a while....most serious black drama movies turn into madea comedies. its usually the funny black guy making a cameo in some non-black focused drama. i hope im not being to general though, but i do see alot of this.

>>4855724
We've already been through this. Zebras were at least as domesticable as the Equidae native to the Fertile Crescent were some 15,000 years ago. Read the link I provided.

>>4855721

>implying racism only happens in countries where slavery was widespread.

Dear lord you're stupid. Just cuz the English didn't have slaves doesn't mean they treated and/or treat their black population any better.

Racism has nothing to do with slavery.

>>4855725
I meant like celebrity role models. But that's cool bro.

>>4855728

No, they are not. I already posted a video showing that they are not, you are wrong. I can post more if you like.

>>4855725
I never said I wasn't racist, bro. Also people prefer to have role models that look like them usually, or at least have a similar background.

>>4855718

Look at the statistics he gave. Even look at the numbers.

111K white rapes. 33% of them were by black men.

300K black rapes. 100% were by black men. Who does it seem like black men are seeking out for rape?

>>4855728

How can you use an example that's 20,000 years old over recent examples of Zebra domestication?

>>4855737
But who is raping all the Asians?

>>4855730
>Just cuz the English didn't have slaves doesn't mean they treated and/or treat their black population any better

Why do you think the ability of an ethnic group within a multiethnic society to create a standard of living better than a toilet bowl depends upon the government giving said ethnic group special privileges?

>>4855731
I think you're going to have to demonstrate the functional link between academic output and "role models". It's not like I sat in my college classes pondering over variational calculus until it I remembered what a good "role model" Tom Hanks is and aced the exam.

>>4855737

30K** damn sticking keys.

>>4855731
>I meant like celebrity role models.

Oh then I misunderstood. I have never considered celebrities role models, both personally and for other people. Celebrity worshipping culture is terrible, and I would guess that most people that see celebrities as role models are not going to be that successful, whether their role models are black or white or green or purple.

>>4855737
Yeah, and what proportion of the population are black? 12%.

>>4855740

Who knows. They don't care about posting the statistics for anything but black versus white.

>>4855721
and again, i cant give a shit about your argument because you sound like a biased idiot. even when you phrase things a certain way [biased idiot may incite rage], it comes across as fucktardy and you sound ignorant in the way that you believe you are educated but in an aspergers kinda way. you only know alot of stuff about one small thing in the spectrum of everything that exists. i mean, the fact that you aren't even trying to understand the other side of the argument, makes your seem aimless. your arguing just to make noise, not to make a point.

>>4855741

Uh. Nice implications there bro, but I wasn't saying that at all.

I'm saying just because you didn't have slavery doesn't mean you didn't have the racial issues of America up until the 60s.

>>4855740
Asians themselves. But Asian girls don't go out and get drunk like white women do because they're smarter. After all sometimes rape IS woman's fault, I mean if you walk home alone in the dark when you're drunk and wearing skimpy clothing then you're just asking for it.

>>4855730

Are you implying racism caused them to kill eachother?

Seriously. I mean... REALLY?

This is the same country that INVITED them in, gave them FREE yes FREE EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE, WELFARE, HOUSING, FIRE SERVICES, LIBARIES, POLICE SERVICES AND FUCKING SEWAGE SYSTEMS and you have the balls to claim they were treated badly?

Are you fucking kidding me?

So they came here and started killing eachohther straight away due to big eman old whitey for giving them all this free shit they would NEVER have back home in that crime ridden hellohole, Jamaica.

Astonishing argument, retard. Truly astonishing.

>>4855746

And what do those two numbers have in common?

Unless there's only 33 thousand blacks in American and they're all men, not much.

>>4855746

And what proportion of the black population lives in black communities?

>>4855732
http://www.archive.org/stream/pointsofhorsefam00hayerich

Page 311.

Read it.

The Quagga were well-suited to domestication due to being easy to train and easy to saddle/harness. They went extinct in the early 20th century, and your video does not address this.

>>4855750

Oh wow looks like someone is upset. You know that the discussion is almost over when one person resorts to simply calling names and avoids responding to the other persons statements.

>>4855750

You didn't answer the question adn you harping on with your little Ad Hominem.

>Everything I say annoys you therefore I am bias and stupid

The idea, sir, is to EXPLAIN why I am wrong. I merely asked you why gun crime is so high and why they commit so much crime despite the fact they have never had to deal with any sort of oppression in English lands.

> African population has increased from 200 millions to over 1 billion in a few decades. And there's no signs of stopping it.

Survival of the fittest right, If colored people are better at reproducing than white people than that just means they are the fittest.

>>4855741
its not about having some celebrity idealization. its about having low moral due to what you are told from day one that you cant do [cant go to college] and having or not having a positive person to be a living example that you can, regardless of anyones race. wtf, are you ignoring the fact that everyone is influenced by some person or idea regardless of who/what it is? thats the basics of the human mind. alot of the things you like are ingrained in you by your entire environment. i really don't want to get aggressive with you, but im struggling not to be irrated and confused by this not being common sense. i apologize for any rage this incites.

>>4855759
A majority of them.

See this ethnic map of Chicago. I can provide ethnic maps of every other large US city if you'd like.

>>4855757

My god you're stupid. Just...like glaringly beyond stupid.

Do you understand what I'm talking about is not about giving those people those free basic rights (Which by the way they got in America too.)? cuz I don't think you do.

It's about racism. And if as many Brits think like you do, it's not wonder they turned out like they did.

>>4855769
This doesn't make much sense. You suggest that blacks have low self-esteem, but all the studies show that blacks, out of all racial groups, have the highest levels of self-esteem in America.

>>4855757
essentially he's saying "we gave them free shit so its not OUR fault"
maybe im misinterpreting

>>4855771

The point.

-----------------

Your head.

>>4855777

He clearly doesn't understand racism if he thinks that's what not being racist is about.

>>4855775

Not Tikky, but you guys still haven't addressed my point I raised earlier about Han Chinese. You people stress that conquest, subjugation, mistreatment etc are the cause of the centuries long black failure. Even in states like Britain where they negroid has always been afforded full citizen rights.

If this is the case. Then explain the prosperity of Han Chinese under the Yuan and early Qing Emperors, who treated them far worse than Whites ever treated Blacks.

>>4855775

So what am I missing, genius? These people were given employment and all the other rights and benefits every native recieved. Please do tell me without pulling up Ad Hominem bullshit, how they were oppressed and treated so horribly they had to start raping and killing in vastly higher numbers?

Why can't you just own up to it, fact it and actualyl say it out loud. Racism has no correlation to the way black populations act. They were given incredible benefits they would never recieve back home and you keep saying their behavious is caused by racism.

Where is the explanation for this? How is the coutnry racist when we accepted them as equals in our own lands?

>>4855761

Your source doesn't mention them being easily domesticable or anything as such.

>>4855781

Actually I am the poster that that anon is responding to, and the point was hit.

>>4855768
its going to slow down in the future.Also the north african arab population is included.

it just trolls trying to scare people into thinking the blacks are taking over.Black americans have a negative population growth only latinos and (white) hispanics have positive.

>>4855768
"Survival of the Fittest" is something of a misnomer.

"Fittest" = "Best suited for the environment". Thus, if the environment, thanks to human meddling, favours a low type - Then the low type will prosper.

It's worth noting that without Western/UN Aid, African populations would collapse though.

>>4855789
Did you read pages 311 - 320?

Clearly you didn't. Do you really expect me to believe you read those pages and then replied back 5 minutes later saying you couldn't find anything in there?

Why use some horse like animal in some african fringe [south africa] to validate the wheel being developed in sub-saharan africa?

>>4855788

You really, honestly have no idea what discrimination means do you?

They were not "given" employment. Unless you're a socialist country which you're not that's not how it works.

With someone as racist as you, it's no wonder you don't understand. You're looking down on a general population and acting like their little better than thugs. You know what that leads to? Discrimination. Know what that leads to? People embracing the stereotype because people won't believe they can be different.

>>4855776
first, im sorry if i phrased it in such a way, but im not refering to just black people. anyone can be affected by their environment and low self esteem.
second, i was gonna reference this study that showed african american student's test scores were negatively affected by hearing negative words imbedded in a series of words or some shit but honestly its like 3am and im tired as fuck of arguin and shit so you got me. bang, im dead. but if you did find that study, its actually interesting material proving the effect of some shit and stuff. lol. sorry. im beat.

>>4855796

I'm not gonna read some book to find a citation. Fucking quote it and I'll use the book as a refrence.

>>4855794
U MAD?

>>4855784
>>4855777

So why don't whites that move to African lands gun eachother down and rape and murder?

It's tragically odd that the numbers simpyl don't add up.

I ask you again. Explain to me how we are racist when we accepted them and gave them rights and wealth they enver had anywhere else? Im mind blown here how retarded you have to be to actually believe that this was racist.

Why start murdering eachother as soon as they got off the boat? So a few weeks of British life and suddenly... IM GONNA GO KILL SOME OTHER BLACKS.

You do realise the high crime rate of Jamaica?

I suppose the reason why South Africans murder and rape is becuase of all that oppresion they suffered right? It's not like they were doing that before whites came long

Oh wait... they were.

>>4855810

Clearly he is, because it really doesn't matter if it will fall without aid. The point is that the population is thriving. How is irrelevant.

/cgl/ hates black people and acts like other non-whites don't exist. That's what I got out of this thread,

>>4855803
Why should they have been accepted more than they were. Why did the locals owe them anything?

>>4855816

I don't think the main guy arguing about how blacks are disgusting is even a seagull. I think he's a washup from some other board.

>>4855803
I understand what discrimination means.

You favor one thing, you disprivilege another. That is discrimination. You reach for a piece of cake. That is discrimination. You choose your friends and make enemies along the way. That is discrimination.

You don't "treat people all as the same" except in some universal ninnydom of people who would like human nature to be something it is not.

Discrimination is a moral good. It's aristocratic spirituality.

>>4855818

And that, my friends, is what we call, discrimination.

Doesn't matter if you give them all the rights in the world, if you still treat them like you think they're little better than thugs and criminals.

>>4855820
Who comes to /cgl/ from another board out of free will? That's just sickening.

>>4855823

Only fucking morons think this.

>>4855810
>>4855810
Not really.

Why would I be mad? Are you sure you haven't misfired?

>>4855820
most likely he is from /v/.its loser/v/ille

>>4855826

could've seen it on the main page and was like "OOH race debate!"

Judea

>>4855803

You are such a moron. You have NO EVIDENCE of such discrimination. If they were discriminated they wouldn't have been given the same rights as everyone else. 60's/70's Brtain was socialist as fuck.

BAAAW THEY ARE RACIST, IM GOING TO GO AND KILL PEOPLE NOW, THAT WILL SHOW THEM

Your entire argument is this

>If everyone acts like you then no wonder they all rape and kill on mass levels

That's not a fucking argument. That's not even logical. What the fuck is wrong with you? How does any of this in anyway justify such behaviour? Where is this discrimination you speka of?

They had wealth, employment, healthcare. Not a single fucking worry. No Jamiacan gangs, no jamaican problems. A new country, a new home, oppourtunity abound.

Just fucking admit it, they squandered what they were given and continued their barbaric ways they commited in jamaica.

Explain yuurself, explain what discrimination you speak of. And stop using me as some example, it's not logicla and it has NOTHING to do with this argument.

>>4855824
so wait wait wait. You are telling me to give the black guy the job over the white guy just because he is black. Even if I have known this white guy for a long time, and know he is capable, I should hire the black guy, literally, just because he is black.

wrong.

>>4855830
I'm pretty sure that's not the intended destination of this thread...In fact I'm confused how it even came to this.

>>4855827
You try treating people "all as the same" you dumb bitch, but don't complain to me when you have to suck that tramp's STD infested dick as a result.

Look what we have here a bunch of stormfront anons using 19th century racist anthropology as proof of white superiority. I can't wait for someone to post phrenology as evidence of intelligence

>>4855837
Lol, wut?

>>4855833
I'm sorry but you could you summarize your argument bro. I kind of tl;dr the entire thread.

>>4855824
Why are they owed anything in a foreign land? The Japanese don't owe me shit besides access to my embassy even if I found my ass in their country. I don't have a right to work or the right to own a home in a country that isn't mine.

>>4855833

Dude. Your whole argument is "We can't possibly have treated them in a discriminatory manner, we gave them all the same rights as us!"

Your government did. But how do you know they were given equal opprotunities for employment? That they didn't get treated like dirt or harassed because of their skin color? Or that they weren't denied jobs?

You don't. Discrimination and racism usually is not government mandated you fucktard.

>>4855848
No, that is no excuse. read the paragraph like a real human with a brain would.

>>4855840
>19th century racist anthropology

You mean like the claim there was a functional link between brain size and intelligence? Funny how MRI scans have proven that to be correct.

>>4855843
Oh, so you wouldn't?

Why not?

You're supposed to treat people all as the same, why discriminate against him in a sexual sense and disprivilege him as a result? Bigot.

>>4855850

If someone moves there it becomes their country. Pretty sure you'd be bitching if you decided to move somewhere and make a living and found out no one would hire you because they "don't owe you shit".

>>4855853
>But how do you know they were given equal opprotunities for employment? That they didn't get treated like dirt or harassed because of their skin color? Or that they weren't denied jobs?

[Citations Needed]

>>4855824

So why dont Europeans who move to Africa rape, murder and rob like the africans in London?

There is clear discrimination to Europeans in Africa so why don't Europeans act the same? The CHinese are moving into Senegal in a giant mass. They are openly discriminated agianst yet they don't shoot people. They carry on with their businesses.

You have no eivdence of ''discrimination'' and the idea that such ''discrimination'' (OH NEOS HE LOOKED AT ME FUNNY) somehow justifies rape, murder and robbery.

You are insane.

>>4855856
This is the internet not a college course. I'm not sure you even know what you are arguing. All I'm getting is "I'm paranoid as fuck against blacks." I'm sure you incredibly unnecessary rants will make a real difference in the world. But if hating on blacks is what makes you happy, more power to you.

>>4855835

No, I'd be telling you to hire the guy best suited for the job, not your best buddy you knew from high school. If the black guy is denied a job because of his skin color that's discrimination.

If he's not suited for the job he's not suited for the job. Don't try to polarize my argument.

>>4855858

So dolphins must be smarter than humans using your logic.

>>4855859
No I wouldn't, I believe in freedom including freedom of association.

>>4855859
>If someone moves there it becomes their country.

At what point does it 'become their country'? As soon as they touch down on the soil of that country? Or when they gain temporary residency, or what?

What if their interests are opposed to the wellbeing of the host population, is it still just as much their country?

>Pretty sure you'd be bitching if you decided to move somewhere and make a living and found out no one would hire you because they "don't owe you shit"

We wouldn't move to Japan though.

You idiots are hilarious. You praise 'diversity' yet you want the entire world to become some shitty, commercialized "multicultural" soup of third world immigrants.

>>4855859
The obvious mistake was letting them move in.

HEY LOOK GUYS I'M MAKING AN ARGUMENT ON THE INTERNET WITHOUT ANY CREDIBILITY OR SOURCES ON A TOTALLY UNRELATED FORUM! YAY!

>>4855853

>Asking me to prove a negative

Your entire argument is based upon opinion. You are assuming discrimination.

We have come to the core of it. You are anti white. You refuse to believe that it is the faults of the blacks and it MUST be the fault of the whites. Despite the fact these people were given incredible benefits they would NEVER have back home, you claim they were oppressed and lashed out when it is very fucking obvious they were not.

I am not going to disprove your theroy, it is up to you to prove it. Despite this, I will ask again. Why doen't non-africans who move to Africa commit rape, robbery and murder in the same levels as Africans when they aree openly discriminated against in Africa.

>>4855866
I should clarify, brain size relative to body mass.

>Imaging studies of intelligence and brain structure. Correlations between intelligence and total brain volume or grey matter volume have been replicated in magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) studies, to the extent that intelligence is now commonly used as a confounding variable in morphometric studies of disease. MRI-based studies estimate a moderate correlation between brain size and intelligence of 0.40 to 0.51. One MRI study determined the volume of 13 brain regions, and found that the brain regions intercorrelated substantially - a general factor (the first unrotated principal component in a factor analysis) accounted for 48% of the variance. We found that g was significantly linked to differences in the volume of frontal grey matter, which were determined primarily by genetic factors . . . this analysis underestimated the extent to which grey matter volume in each brain region correlates with g. We reported partial correlations that indicated the association between the volume of each brain region and g, independent of other brain regions. In other words, the volume of frontal grey matter had additional predictive validity for g even after the predictive effect of total brain volume was factored out.

http://www.loni.ucla.edu/~thompson/PDF/nrn0604-GrayThompson.pdf

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>>4855863
Paranoia is an irrational fear.

If a fear of black violence is irrational, then why don't all those white liberals in their comfy suburbs go and live with the blacks in the inner city?

>>4855878
Was this study done in 2004?

>>4855885
It was. Gray and Thompson are the co-authors.

>>4855883
Because they are wealthy enough not to? I'm sure if blacks moved in to their suburbs they wouldn't freak out about it. Too bad blacks don't know how to save money. ohohoho

>>4855862

Where is the evidence of this discrimination you claim? I have friends, female friends, who have gone on mission trips and even moved to Africa and never experienced any of this.

If discrimination never happened in the UK how do you explain the need for there to be a whole guide dedicated to the recognization and elimination of racism from UK children? Or the racial profiling done that sparked riots? And not the newest riot, the old one.

If it doesn't exist in the UK how can you explain people such as yourself with such a bitter hatred.

Give me your proof that it doesn't exist as you were the one to claim it was so.

>>4855887
Do you have something that isn't 7 years old?

>>4855878

Yeah, lets play the source game:


https://portfolio.du.edu/portfolio/getportfoliofile?uid=96967

>>4855883
better yet why dont they live with whites in poor communities

>>4855894
Well, this is another study by McDaniel in 2005:

http://www.vcu.edu/uns/Releases/2005/june/McDaniel-Big%20Brain.pdf

I'm curious though, are you suggesting that the evidence since the development of MRI machines, of NCV, Myelination and overrall brain size playing a functional role in determining g is incorrect, and has been revealed to be incorrect in the past 6 years?

Could you show me the paper that caused this sea-change in neurological opinion?

>>4855898
>Because they are wealthy enough not to

>>4855893
Why should people accept foreign invaders into their country? It worked out well for the Native Americans they are functionally genetically and culturally extinct. "Racism" is a natural reaction to being invaded by outside cultures. Why should the world be homogenized? Why shouldn't locals be able to protect their culture?

>>4855877

You can't prove it because you know it's not true. Giving people the same rights as everyone else does not mean there's not discrimination happening.

And you know that.

>>4855895
Phrenology is something entirely different. Are you disputing the link between brain size relative to body mass and intelligence?

You do realize most liberals are advocates of a pseudoscientific theory called 'cranial plasticity' without even realizing it, right? Every time you advocate the absolutist biological equality of the races (and individuals for that matter) you're parroting Boasian pseudoscience.

>>4855898
>>4855904
Actually, class based segregation, if you look at the recent US census, or the ethnic map of Chicago that other anon posted, is nowhere near as pronounced as racial self-segregation.

On a basic, imperative level, people prefer their own kind.

Perhaps we should stop trying to fight human nature as if it's a bitter foe and accept simple, unproblematic things such as this.

>>4855907

Your point has nothing to do with the argument. Which is his claim that Black's are inherently vicious savage people and the fact that the British people were ever so nice and were never discriminatory towards them. Despite the fact that the UK did, in fact, have slaves.

>>4855907

Because when you have a labor shortage, you need foreigners. That was the case in countries like the us.

>>4855909
So you are approving of rape and violent crime as retaliatory social justice for non state sanctioned prejudice?

This thread seem to be filled with faggots who're too dumb to realise you cant convince anyone in a debate on the internet.

Just shut the fuck up or go outside if you actually want to spread your views.

>>4855909
>You can't prove it because you know it's not true.

Again, not him. But are you seriously postulating something with no evidence and then demanding he disprove it?

That's called a naked assertion, and it's fallacious. Stop doing it.

>>4855893
South Africa is the murder capital of the world, look how many whites are dying.

http://www.censorbugbear.org/africa/south-africa/why-are-white-farmers-always-tortured

>>4855907
>implying that diversifying will completely eradicate cultures
jumping to conclusions very well sir. just because an action occurs doesnt mean that the same exact result will happen every time indefinitely.

>>4855910

I'am disputing it because this argument was used as far back as the civil war against blacks. It's bullshit scientific racism.

>>4855917
>Because when you have a labor shortage, you need foreigners.

The other anon earlier mentioned he was from Norway. Let's see how trying to fill that labor shortage with third world populations is working out for them....

>In addition, an ever growing group of Third World immigrants is dependent on welfare. A study by Tyra Ekhaugen of the Frisch Centre for Economic Research and the University of Oslo concluded that immigration has increased the pressure on the welfare state, because many immigrants do not join the tax-paying part of the population.

>Third World immigrants are, the study showed, recipients of social security benefits at a rate ten times that of native Norwegians — destroying the liberal argument used by pro-immigration politicians in Norway that immigration was necessary to maintain the social welfare state.

>More than half of all social security benefits in the city of Oslo are spent on non-Western immigrants. Immigrants from Africa have the highest unemployment rate, with official figures in 2005 showing a black unemployment rate of 17.5 percent.

>Immigrants from Asia had an unemployment rate of 12.3 percent, while those from South and Central America had an unemployment rate of 10.1 percent. The average unemployment rate amongst native Norwegians was 2.4 percent.

Gee, it's almost like it's a bigger burden to the state than a benefit!

>>4855866
Dolphins are bigger than humans. More muscles -> bigger brain. Relative to body size, dolphin brains are smaller than humans'.

>>4855917
There is no worker shortage and never has been, business people just want to flood countries with desperate labor so they can criminal exploit the newcomers and lower the wages of the established citizens. It is tantamount to slavery.

>>4855920

Actually, he was claiming that England was never discriminatory to the blacks. I asked him for proof that that was even true.

He couldn't give it all he could repeat was "Well, the government gave them all the same rights as us whites, not our fault they're dirty filth savages!"

Which in no way disproves discrimination.

>>4855893

>Mission trips

Do they go with protection? You better hope they do.

I suppose you are going to ignore the women raped while on mission trips, right?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7059019.ece

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/peace-corps-congress-investigate-peace-corps-treatment-sex/story?id=12
777476

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/04/23/we-are-not-your-weapons-we-are-women/

All these bullshit liberal institutions are made by liberals to cover up their multicultural failure. They dont want to admit that immigrants commit more crime so the blame the native whites and say its down to discrimination. The police even stopped giving racial demographs of crime rates as the truth was all too shocking.

I asked you to prove discrimination existed and how it justifies or creates murderers and rapists.

You are ignoring the culture of rape and murder in Jamaica. A culture you ae ignoring that they brought with them.