>>4762938
You all look bad. There is a reason the style died out in the 1800's.

I am still so-so on fat lolita.

Some do it right, most don't.

I hate that shoes only come in S/M/L/LL. Small is too small, but mediums look like I'm wearing canoes on my feet and they barely stay on.

Dear Retard,
You were SO fucking annoying. STOP saying kawaii all the time. And why the hell do you keep using the wrong vowels in your words? Perikura? Kinan? I think you mean PUrikura. KAnOn. Holy SHIT. It's not even your accent it's just YOU.
Why do you keep TOUCHING us all as well? I've never met anyone who thinks it's okay to stroke people they've never met.

My gripe?

OTT Sweet is ugly as all hell and it's the most popular style. I think it looks stupid and it's no wonder we get such bad stereotypes.

I hate it even more when someone who is no longer a teenager wears it. You look like a little CHILD.

>>4762944
I still prefer 1800s fashion to anything in the past few centuries. Ugh.

anyway, I'm sick of itas saying lolita fashion is costumes.

I'm still SLIGHTLY too fat and I can't seem to drop the last few lbs no matter what I do. I think I look less hambeast than I did at my last meetup, but there's definitly a smell of bacon in the air.

The reason I was edging away from you in that asian food market is because you were ridiculously embarrassing and ita, not because it was a small shop. I didn't want to be associated with your teenage squealing over manga and hello kitty. Ugh.

>>4762956
But it is.

>>4762955

My other gripe is delusional lolis who think their substyle is somehow more acceptable to the general public than sweet.
I think sometimes people forget to look at the bigger picture. You might think sweet is weird and childish, but if my mother saw someone in classic she'd say "why is that woman dressed up like an old doll?" and if she saw gothic she'd be likely to assume the wearer was a drag queen.

>>4762963
>>4762952
Things like this are why I do not attend meet-ups, period. It's a fashion, not a book club.

I like to think my local community appreciates girls who wear handmade or can't afford brand, but the cliques start to form and it's obvious to see ~ one group is all OTT sweet from AP, and the other is classic offbrand or handmade.

When Lolita's with a bunch of ugly brand outfits (honestly it's all ugly) go on about how they can afford it because they have good jobs... yet they still live with their parents

Grow up and move out

>>4762968
I could understand the old doll comment, but drag queen? ...Your mom must not see them very often.

>>4762963

I know that feel well, anon.

I won't tell you you're too big to fit into that dress. But I think you know.

Are there any lolita "rules" that you all don't like?

Personally, I think blouses under JSKs look stupid and I'm sad that going without them isn't more accepted.

>>4762976

Well, no she doesn't! I don't think she's ever seen a gothic lolita. But whenever she sees any heavy gothic style outfit she raises an eyebrow. I think it's the makeup. She tends to assume if people have a lot of makeup on they must be hiding something.

>>4762985
Not really, but that reminds me... I really hate when people have horrible ita outfits and then say something like, "well I'm just being creative, stop constricting me to the 'rules'!" There's a way to have a creative outfit, and there's a way to do it wrong.

>>4762988
Ah, well, I guess if she saw someone who was heavily influenced by Mana, I could understand the drag queen comment. Some gothic lolitas don't wear much make up though. I guess it would depend on which she saw, and I suppose the ones with less make up would fall into her "old doll" comment lol

I wish the girls in my community liked me more. They all seem to like me, and we talk a lot through social networking sites and the internet. The times we do hang out have been really fun. But I only get an invitation to hang out (outside meet ups) on rare occasions. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I wish I could figure it out.

>>4762999
TBH, what I have noticed from my community, girls rarely invite each other to do anything non lolita related. I made one friend in the community who I hang out with in and outside of lolita, but don't notice the other girls hanging out together outside of lolita (I'm >>4762969 btw )

>>4762999
I feel that way too, sometimes. I think something that helps is to be the person who invites others outside of meet-ups instead of waiting around to be invited. It might seem scary with the risk of rejection, but it's better to try!

>>4762999

Maybe they don't want to be overbearing? Sometimes you just forget about the people you like that you don't see every day. Why not try asking them to hang out?

>>4762985
Kneesocks. I hate kneesocks and they make EVERYONE look like a little school kid. No, beginners and some of you sweetlolitas, lolita is not about looking like a little school kid.
OTK socks or pantyhose are so much better but try to discuss this with the kind of lolitas who wear teacups and shit on their head they all get maaaaaaaad.

STOP FUCKING ADDING AN APOSTROPHE TO LOLITAS. STOP IT. STOP IT RIGHT NOW. UNLESS YOU INTEND FOR IT TO BE POSSESSIVE, IN WHICH CASE GO FOR IT.

ALSO

LOOSE = not tight
LOSE = to no longer have possession of.

I KNOW THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY LOLITA GRIPES BUT THAT IS THE PART OF MY LIFE WHERE I MOST OFTEN WANT TO SHOUT THESE THINGS.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

>>4763020
Oh I agree. They make everyone's legs look stumpy.

>>4763021
you gotta' lose'n up lolita's gurl.

>>4763020
I HATE THEM TOO THEY RUIN A GOOD OUTFIT EVERYTIME.

>>4763021
>LOOSE = not tight
>LOSE = to no longer have possession of.

I feel this is aimed at me because I made this typo here the other day. D; I'm sorry anon! Know that I normally do use the right word! ;_;

>>4763020

not only do they make you look like a school girl, everyone can see your gross kness

OTK are just so much better

>>4763012
The girls in my comm meet up a lot outside of lolita. I see them posting about it on Facebook.

I have two chocolate chess OPs and I want to get rid of one of them, but I can't figure out a way to do it fairly without scalping somebody. WHAT DO.

>>4763052
auction it

>>4763052
EAT IT

>>4763052

colour?

>>4763052
Well it's quite simple. You sell it for retail + shipping.
Unless you're looking to make a profit on it... which imo you shouldn't be since you already have CC when piles and piles of lolis want it desperatly.

>>4763063
which is exactly why she SHOULD profit off it. You don't want to pay more than retail? Boohoo, I'm sure there are plenty who are ready and willing to do so. Go cry.

What the fuck is up with new lolitas dropping 60+ bucks on a crazy split wig and then wearing a cheap, plain offbrand coord? I understand if you came into lolita from cosplay and you have a bunch of wigs already, but if you're new and have 5+ wigs and don't even own a basic bodyline dress, something is off...

>>4763062
brown

>>4763063
that's my inclination, to charge exactly how much it cost me including fees, but do you think multiple people will want to buy it? how do I pick?

>>4763023
>>4763026
>>4763045
high fives, I usually get "lol troll/butthurt goth" replies for this.

>>4763085
i'd say just put it on the comm_sales and go by the paypal first rule.

The problem with this is there will be many butthurt girls who will cry 'but i had work! omg i missed this by 10 seconds!'

I think it would be fun to give everyone a day or two to put their names in if they want it (with paypal, of course, so you know they are prepared to pay) and then do a raffle or something where you put all their names in a hat or something.

I also wish there were more lolis like you, who don't try to make huge profits on shit. It pisses me off when worn dresses are sold for more than what they cost new. I get supply and demand, but, damn.

>>4763075

>go cry

I'd rather not, since I don't actually want it.

All I'm saying is if seller is so desperate to be fair and nice, that's the best thing she can do. If she's not, auction would probably be the best thing for it - that way people pay over the odds (and they probably would) and she'd make a profit passively rather than saying 'This is how much CC is, I want that plus $100 for it'.

>>4763085
>how do I pick?

You mean the person you're going to sell it to? because, hell, I'd just give it to the first person that's willing and able (to pay immediately).

>>4763085
Do an auction. Start it at the retail price. You'll make a profit, but it will be fair because if someone is willing to pay more, they will get it.

>>4763045
Why are knees gross?

>>4763085

post on the sales comm, first to leave their paypal gets it, simple

DEATH TO MINI-HATS

>>4763116
>>4763105
I've lost out on dresses I really wanted because I didn't see them first before, though... I'm thinking to do an auction that lasts a day, then donating whatever amount goes above what I paid for it to charity. how do you think that is? that way, whoever wants it the most can have it, and they don't get scalped.

>>4763117

YES

>>4763115

I just meant a lot of people have like cut up scarred nobby knees and it doesn't exactly look very nice, weather you are wearing lolita or not

>>4763117

YES

The only reason they exist is because of clueless itas buying them at cons.

>>4763127
I like the raffle idea. It gives everyone an equal chance. I hate that somebody will automatically get it just because they can pay more... just another example of people with more money getting ahead.

>>4763142
I have seen maybe one mini-hat work in a coord. Maybe.

>>4763142
i knowwwww and they're always like hot-glued together with plastic lace and cardboard and felt and ugh

>>4763154
that's life. frilly dresses doesn't negate that fact.

As someone who wears wigs constantly, in and out of lolita fashion...

I hate all U.S. wig companies that sell lolita wigs for us to buy. Minty Mix and Gothic Lolita Wigs you all suck. I hate your colors, I hate your blends, and I hate the way your fibers feel. And most of all I hate how you treat clients.

Forever and a day I'd rather pay up the ass in fees to get a nice wig from Japan or China than I would ever use one of your services again.

>>4763162
that doesn't mean it's fair and that people can't point out unfairness.

>>4763127
this is an amazing idea.

>>4763162
Well, duh.
I just think it would be nice to make that NOT the case, for once.

I've said this a million time on here but people saying that a lace monster complete ita dress is good for young/new lolitas

not everyone has to start out as noob like you jeez

>>4763076
Wow. It's funny how I see this all of the time, but never really take much notice it until now.
I don't have any personal rages at this time and place (at least none that I'm aware of), but it would be nice if secret shop made shoes (and other lolita specific shoe makers) for people with wide width feet. It doesn't have to be their whole line of course. I wouldn't mind paying a little extra for them either. I just don't want anything as shoddy as An*tai*na's while keeping with the cute/elegant aesthetic.

>>4762985
I think wearing a blouse under a JSK looks retarded, too. I'm into lolita for the skirts and blouses. I like looking relatively normal in public. I'm sorry I'm not rori enough for some people.

>>4763154
This kind of thing I really don't understand.
In an ideal world, we would all pay retail (or less than retail) for the items we want, and there would be enough for everyone to have the possibility of buying their favorite items.

I definitely know that not all lolis buy brand with their own money, but I'm really fucking sick of people being all "OMG SCALPING". I'm a college student with a side-job and I decide not to eat out, get my hair cut at a salon, nails done, etc, all because I put that money into 1) my savings account, and 2) things I want to buy, like expensive ass dresses. If someone buys one of my dream dresses by outbidding me in an auction by $100, I'm okay with it, because clearly she thinks it's worth more than I do. I'm not saying everyone has to be okay with it, but you can't fucking complain about it not being fair that the girl who spent more money got the dress. Yeah, she could have inherited it all from her rich dead grandma, or she could have actually made that money herself. I don't know which it is, but I don't necessarily have the right to find out how exactly she came to have that money.

I think CCanon should auction the OP. She invested in a dress that was clearly popular and going to be worth more later. She should benefit from this investment, whether she intended to actually "invest" in the OP or not.

Whining about money is my biggest fucking gripe about lolita. I grew up in a pretty ghetto part of LA with one parent for most of my life, and I realized it's really not all that hard to get most of the material things you want if you're smart with your money.

ever since i got into the lolita/cosplayer/convention scene (whatever you want to call it) a few years ago, somehow i've met so many people who think it's okay to mooch off other people, whether it's for money, living arrangements, food, anything. and then they have excuses like "well, i'm going to open an etsy shop!" or "i'm going to be a cosplay/rori photographer!", or the best one, "i'm going to be an e-famous model!!" as if to say "gaiz it's cool, i have a job! so you know i'm TRYING to be independent~!"

i know not everyone is like this, but i'll be damned if i have to put up with another lolita X who wants to bitch to me about lolita Y's rich mommy paying for all her brand, when lolita X doesn't even have a job/go to school and, as an adult, still hasn't effing moved out of her parents house yet. what the fuck??

>>4763899

that reminds me, i have a huge pet peeve: lolitas not going to school. i've met like half a dozen lolitas who think it's okay to have not graduated high school, or to have suddenly dropped out of college, not because of finances, drug problems, or some sort of pregnancy crisis, but simply because "IT WAS TOO HARD" and instead they spend their days playing with their fancy loli clothes and wishing they had more in life.
BOO HOO. how effing lazy and incompetent do you have to be when you decide to not simply /finish/ whatever level of schooling you started and then immediately start bitching when suddenly you find out you aren't qualified for more than a minimum wage job, and oh boo-hoo you can't afford the new oh-so-pretty new AP/Baby/etc print?! even walmart will hire you if you just sit through a few easy classes like home ec or art class or whatever in high school. you don't even have to get good grades, you just need to sit your ass down in class for the attendance record until they give you a diploma! don't bitch about your sorry life if you can't even make it through the basics.
/rant
sorry guys, i've just been having a crappy day and need to blow off steam D<

>>4763802
this is a good post and you should feel good

I really want to be posted on the best of daily lolita Tumblr. I think the owner must not like me or something, because my posts always get tons of positive comments but I've never been featured on there.

This, however, has. :/

>>4763975
Damn, that outfit hurts my eyes!

>>4763975

There's a fine line between "creative and unique outfit" and "looking like a crazy bag lady". She crossed it.

I don't care what you the lolitas in my local community think! Ever since one girl outed me to the rest of the comm for smoking weed, I get weird comments about smoking, like I'm less of a lolita because of it. The funny thing is, I have more "lifestyle" hobbies than most of the other girls (though I don't consider myself a lifestyler), but I'm considered unlady-like.

>>4763975
It's okay, anon. Two of my photos got posted to that tumblr. And they're what I felt like were two of my least-interesting outfits. I have no idea what her criteria is for picking "the best of" DL.

>>4763975
Just post yourself on your tumblr. if your outfit is good and you've got followers who reblog then it will make the rounds.

The time when you post it does factor in though - post it around 8 or 9PM EST - that's when it's likely to get more exposure.

>>4764062

Oh, I already do that. My photos get reblogged, but I don't have anywhere near the 1500 followers that the daily lolita tumblr does.

>>4763975
Sooo many mismatched patterns...

Lolitas have been coming off as stupid and annoying on egl. I've mostly stopped looking at posts. Also local comm dramas seems annoying. I am content just sharing the hobby with my friend.

>>4763916
Thank you :)

Blouse sleeve sizing- I fit brand blouses in every other way except their sleeve length.

I have horribly gangly Burton-esque arms (that are only tolerable because somehow they translated to me having long legs too) which means I can't buy any of the beautiful VM, IW & MM long sleeved blouses.

>>4764091

Livejournal in general is dying. EGL is overrun by idiots and assholes.

>>4763975

I really just plain hate this.

>>4763115

Mine are gross because of sports and scuffed up knees. I've got scars on the both of them that I think make me look like some kind of crackwhore. I keep mine hidden.

>>4763909
I'm sorry, but this is so freaking privileged it hurts. Not everyone can do the whole college thing (I'm with you on high school, though--it's free and easy, and compulsory for a reason); I have friends who dropped out after having emotional breakdowns for all sorts of reasons. There's a lot going on other than "school is hard" that aren't finances, drugs or pregnancy (which is a pretty disgusting and judgemental list of acceptable reasons, to begin with).

I dropped out of college, myself. It had nothing to do with school being too hard or pregnancy, drugs, etc., and everything to do with the fact that I was going through a family crisis and my classmates were taking advantage of my hard work on a project and I was dealing with crippling depression. I funnelled everything I had into lolita that semester, not because it was easy or I felt like being lazy but because everything was spiraling out of control for me and it was something I could do that made me feel happy and distracted me from the things I was going through. Yes, I regret it now, and I definitely wish I could have some of the chances I had and wasted then, but that doesn't make me an idiot for dealing with the stress in a way that made me feel good, even if it was the wrong way to deal with it.

I swear, stop asking me to buy you outfits because you're 'poor'. Your family has more money than mine, and you aren't paying for school. There is a reason I don't have a ton of outfits, etc.

While you're at it, stop asking me to make things.
If I could make clothes, I would make them for myself, not someone who whines in my ear about how their allowance is only 100 dollars per week. I mean, you don't even have to pay for anything, your parents supply you with a house, food, and buy you whatever you want.

>>4763165
I am fucking with you on that one. I'll stick to Cyperous, Moko Shop and the Korean stores online.

>>4764163
>freaking privileged it hurts

I'm sorry. I can't take anyone who uses the word "privileged" seriously. Schooling is massively cheap in Junior Colleges. Hell, some certificates don't even require school, just that you pass an exam. Buy a couple books off amazon and take a test, and you've got a job that gets you $20 per hour.

It's better than $7.25.

I can understand the emotional breakdowns though. I've tried college three times and had to drop out each time because I feel like the future is bleak. But, trying for a pharmacy tech job now, and that doesn't require school, so there's options even for us crazy folk.

>>4764163
>There's a lot going on other than "school is hard" that aren't finances, drugs or pregnancy (which is a pretty disgusting and judgemental list of acceptable reasons, to begin with).

This social justice rhetoric is so gross. You only hear it from women, too.

>>4764206

Where did you find info for things like this?
Because I am batshit crazy, and fearing I will never have a job/go to college is not making it any better.
Can I do the same thing in Canada?

>>4764206
>three times
That sucks dude, I'm sorry. I had an emotional breakdown last semester at school and had to basically drop every one of the classes I was taking, which makes me feel shittier since my parents pay about 25 grand for each semester of my stupidly expensive private university and I blew it.
I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing right now, but since it's summer vacation I'm kind of just floating along. There are definitely options for people who have dropped out of college (one of my friends in my major landed a tech job like you after dropping, so I'm glad you found something!)

>>4764163
I think I know who you are. Hi.

>>4763909
High school I can understand. College sucks though, so I really don't blame people who drop out or decide not to go to a "normal" 4 year university. There are even trade schools you can go to. College isn't the option option for making money/being successful, and certainly doesn't mean someone's lazy or incompetent.

Can I gripe about livejournal in general? It's such a horrific piece of shit.

>>4764271

I'm not really sure about Canada. I just know in the US, if you pass the PTCB's exam, then you're a certified pharmacy tech and can get licensed. My mom's in the medical field and told me about it, said she might even hire me as a medical assistant if I went that way. But I don't want a job solely because of Nepotism so I went the pharmacy route.

Another thing you can look into is working for National Forests. If you can stomach living in remote areas with only a shit pit and a water spigot, then you can make a good $8 an hour and have a free place to live. (In a tent or rv.) I did that for a while when I was living out of my car. I bought a shitty little tent and bummed it out there until I saved up enough to get my shit together. You basically greet people and clean up after them. I miss the stars out there, but I don't miss much else.

Don't freak out. There's always options!

>>4764271
Canada has awesome healthcare, bro.
Stay there and you're fine, even if you turn into a mentally impaired hobo.

But in seriousness, yes, you don't have to be a hardcore nerd to get by in life. I have four different medications for my mental illnesses (diagnosed 7 years ago) and I'm still getting by as an adult. It's okay, you'll make it.

btw I am
>>4764284

>>4764291
Same. I just can't get into it.
It seems like the myspace of blogging. Old, out-dated, clunky, trashy, lame.

>>4764163
I've moved 5 times in the last year while going to school (college) full-time. Each move was due to some sort of crisis, be it with my family or my boyfriend or his family. I'm clinically depressed and bi-polar, and I have a job sign-twirling to pay for medication. I've been applying for a better job for the past year and 1/2, but cannot find one that will hire me because I cannot be available while in class. I get financial aid to pay for my schooling. Throughout all of this, I did not drop out of school and got mostly As with some Bs in all of my classes. When times got rough, I poured all of my emotions into school. It is possible.

>>4764302
>>4764304

The thing is, I'm going through getting a solid diagnoses, and it's tough. I'm pretty sure I'm bipolar. I'm off my meds right now because they weren't working for me, and I'm going to a free clinic for reval/diagnoses. So the wait-list is huuuge.

I'm just so worried about my future. I had to do an extra year of highschool because of my depression/anxiety, and I was born in the spring, so I graduated at 19.
I missed the deadline for college/uni sign up, so I'll be 20 by the time I go, if I go. If I can afford it. And then, I'll take a course I no longer care about and be 22 by the time I'm done.

I don't even know what I want to do, because I'm so depressed. I really want to go to art school, because I've always loved art, but I've always been told it's a bad idea.
And I can't get a job right now because I cry at the drop of a hat. My goal is to have a job by september, but Idk how long it will take to get on meds that work. It's so fucking hard right now, and I have no one to complain to but my boyfriend, because my depression and anxiety isolated me from all my friends after I graduated, and now I'm afraid to talk to them.

I'm just so scared, and honestly, I love threads and people like this on /cgl/. Occasionally you find someone who will try to help. And I need that.

Anyway, I tried looking, and is there any way I can use my diagnosis to be included on my parents insurance plan, so that my meds get paid for?

>>4764344
If you have ever been suicidal before, go into a therapist's or psychiatrist's office and tell them. You may be able to get free counseling this way.

>>4764304
>mentally impaired hobo.

Hey, even being a hobo is pretty alright. For about half a year I was living out of my car or in a tent, because of complications with a terrible roommate. If you can get two 12 volt batteries set up to charge off a 15 watt solar panel (with a charge controller to make sure you don't overcharge them) then you can run a netbook and a mobile hotspot device pretty easily. I'd get off work and drive out to BLM land and camp there for free. Mind you, this is the US I'm talking about. I don't know if Canada allows dispersed camping on public lands. Kept me from going to welfare or the shelters though, so I endorse dispersed camping as a sort of contingency plan for homelessness avoidance.

>>4764364
or get thrown in what's basically minimum security prison for 72 hours against your will and treated like you're not a human being. you know, either one.

WHY DO YOU KEEP TELLING ME TO CHANGE MY PERSONALITY TO BE A GOOD LOLITA. JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT AS "UGUU KAWAII DESU" AS YOU DOESN'T MEAN I CAN'T LOOK CUTE OR ATTRACTIVE IN LOLITA.

>>4764411
EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE TALKING IN ALL CAPS AND GOT DUB DUBS, AND I LIKE THOSE THINGS, I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT NO LOLITA LOOKS GOOD IN LOLITA.

>>4764341
>pour all your emotions into school.
jfc I wish I could do this. Then I wouldn't have had to drop everything last semester. You're a badass and I have massive respect for you.

>>4764344
Okay first of all I want to tell you that it's good that you recognized the other medication wasn't helping you. I took the same medication for 4 years before I changed psychiatrists and the new guy prescribed me a different medication. I had been on the other drug so long I hadn't realized that it really wasn't doing anything. At the time I just thought "well it's supposed to be helping, so I'll take it". So I just wanted to say that in itself is good for you to have noticed (because who wants to waste money on a pill that isn't helping you?!)

continued from
>>4764436

Also, yes, I do think art school is not the best idea right now, but don't worry about getting into a 4 year college atm either. Money is clearly an issue for you at the moment, and if you're relatively skilled at art already, I would suggest taking on commissions. I have many, many friends who do this through deviantart and by advertising their stuff in Artist's Alley at conventions. Even if you're just doing fanservice-y things, people are willing to pay $5-$20 for something with their favorite characters. And believe me, my friends aren't the most "artistically-skilled" if you know what I mean ;)
So get some money together through commissions or even through selling some stuff on Etsy, and once you feel like you have some savings together think about going to a Junior College...you guys have those in Canada too, right? I'm in California and we have this excellent JC program where you're guaranteed admission into one of the UCs as a transfer student after a couple years. I'm sure that if you did well in a JC you could soon switch to a regular university, and use either a scholarship or your acquired savings to pay for that.
I don't want to necessarily discourage you from doing something you love, like art, because hell I wanted to switch from computer science to violin, but right now you should probably be thinking about doing something that will get you a paying job (one that doesn't make you miserable!), rather than pursuing a career in something you love. Being employed is more important than doing what you love, as long as you don't dislike your job to the point of it seriously contributing to your depression (comp sci was doing this to me, so I'm switching to either biomedical eng or psych).
What I wrote above isn't your only option. You have lots of options. I know it's really hard to believe the whole "it gets better" thing, but it really does. There are definitely ways out for the crazies like us :)

>>4764385
>>4764364
yeah, they might institutionalize you. i was suicidal for a year and by the time i finally sought help for it, i was pretty on-edge and found out that apparently they can do that to you, and it's not fun. it's more of a life-alternating, scarring experience than a "HEY, SUICIDAL PERSON! HERE'S THE HELP YOU NEED! :D :D :D"

So, any of you other women been on Lexapro? I'm about to be on 10mg a day to help with depression and anxiety, which is a big part of why I keep dropping out of school. I just hope it'll actually help me be motivated.

>>4764466
>>4764385
>>4764364
IT'S JUST LIKE SILENT HILL ISN'T IT
No but seriously... that game wasn't scary of the nurses or Pyramid Head, but because it made me legit fear going crazy one day.

>>4764466
How about
>have ulcerative colitis
>lose 20lbs because I keep shitting massive diarrhea dumps.
>16.5 BMI
>finally earn enough money to go to the doctors
>"Sudden weight loss, you're shitting like this because of laxatives, underweight BMI."
>institutionalized for having an ED
>still having massive diarrhea shits and losing weight while in a hospital, proven several times that I'm not sneaking laxatives in
>they do some kind of poo test proving that I have UC.
>"Oh sorry lol, here's some meds to control your shits. Avoid these foods."

Don't go to shitty(puns!) hospitals.

>>4764487
yeah, if there's one thing you guys take away from this thread, it should be
DO NOT GO TO THE MENTAL HOSPITAL. DO NOT TELL A "MENTAL HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL" THAT YOU ARE SUICIDAL OR WANT TO HURT YOURSELF. tell your friends or tell your family (if they're supportive)

>>4764471
I was on Lexapro for about a year. Withdrawal from it is awful, so make sure you don't run out if you can help it. I'm not on it any more, but at the time it really helped me with my panic attacks.

>>4764471
Actually, Lexapro was the drug I was taking for those years before switching to Zoloft. Lexapro didn't do a whole lot for my depression (had hopelessness, lethargy, that sort of thing. No panic attacks or another sort of anxiety).
Everyone's body is different, though. Zoloft just happens to be my fuckin miracle drug.
Lexapro had helped a bit, but I was still suicidal. But I don't think a person's opinion of suicide (in terms of, seeing it as a viable option rather than this whole OH NOES, YOU CANNOT! thing) is changed by medication. So that's somewhat to be expected.

>>4764632
uh let me clarify, the stuff i put in parentheses in that first paragraph (the lethargy, hopelessness, etc) were my mental illness symptoms, NOT side-effects from taking Lexapro. That would be horrific o___o

>>4762955
I love you.

>>4764505
Actually I think it's more about what sort of hospital you go to. I was in one for a week and found the whole experience to be extremely helpful.

My boyfriend went to a completely different hospital and said it was hell and it was not good for him at all.

>>4764645
Ugh, anti-depressant withdrawals. I was on them for anxiety/OCD. It made all those issues go away, but made me completely lethargic, slept all the time, couldn't get any work done. They then upped my prescription and I became severely depressed/suicidal. Stopped taking it because I couldn't study while I was on it[it was finals week],EVERYTHING GOT WORSE. The idiot secretary wouldn't listen to me when they messed up my doctor appointment [and blamed me for it] and didn't reschedule me until my mom yelled at them, by then there was nothing I could do but wait for it to end. /rant
Also, the other secretary refuses to say my name correctly. That was hilarious.

>>4763021
YOU'RE WELCOME. I HATE THOSE THINGS, TOO!

Also, there = going someplace
they're = they are
their = belongs to them
its = belongs to it
it's = it is
to = going to
too = also

IT'S NOT THAT HARD, YET PEOPLES' FAILURE WITH IT DRIVES ME INSANE.

on the subject of doctors, I haven't been able to go to the doctor in years
I finally qualified for free healthcare and am going to the doctor, but they don't hand out good doctors free.
I'm afraid they're going to look at me and go "Stop smoking." or something. I don't smoke. But I have the huge ass bags under my eyes and I'm going for breathing problems and chest pain.

>>4764742

It also doesn't help that most of my doctors visits are screw ups. Every time I've broken something, the doctor was like "Oh! It's not broken!" and then sent to the ER with sepsis, because my break got infected.
Went to the dentist once. They decided they had to get rid of a tooth. They took the wrong one.

I'm also just nervous because I'm the sort of person who always needs a hand to hold when doing something new, and since I haven't gone since age 9, this qualifies as a new experience.

>>4764291
>>4764307

I personally hate facebook and would rather use lj. Personal opinion.

I hate Sweet Lolita and I think it looks absolutely ridiculous on everybody. On a little girl, it would be adorable. On an adult, it is sad.

>rant.jpg

I fucking hate when sellers take forever to mail out items. When I shell out $200+ on a dress, I kind of expect the person I'm buying it from to actually, you know, send it to me. When I sell things, I always feel like shit if it takes me longer than 4 days to make it to the post office - when it takes over a week, I find there's little excuse.

>>4764748
>took the wrong tooth
dude. that's... ridiculous. what did you do??

>>4764814
If it makes you feel any better, I take being a seller seriously and am one of those over the top people who wrap the item in tissue paper and then put it in a new shiny plastic bag, write a note to the buyer on cardstock, and ship it a day or two after payment. And I usually attach a silk flower on the card when I have them around. It sounds kind of ridiculous, I know, but I think it's fun wrapping the things up all nicely, and for paying over a hundred dollars for something, I'd damn well expect it to arrive in good condition! I know there aren't too many people like me who do these things, but we do exist! :)

comm_sales is a pain in the ass though. That's my current gripe. I have a shitload of stuff to sell, and it's all really nice shit from AatP, but so far every time the mods finally OK my posts, it's some random ass time and hardly anyone sees them. And then there's the whole thing with people being too shy to haggle with me over prices why I say "PRICES NEGOTIABLE" for fear of being insulting, which I understand, but hell, when I say I need to get my shit sold, make an offer! I'm not going to go full-bitch on you!
Honestly, I think I'd rather put my sale items up on /cgl/ than comm_sales, but somehow I think someone's going to have a problem with it and then I'm just going to be really sorry I did :(
I dunno. I just want to get all my stuff sold before summer ends and I have to go back to college.

>>4763117
>>4763155
I used to really love mini-hats, but quality ones are rare these days. I had a candy violet mini hat, it was cute to wear with an updo in gothic coords.

I wish girls in my local comm would wear makeup. It seems like all you see is OTT lolis with way too much makeup or gothic/oldschool/classic lolis with no makeup who could obviously use a little eyeliner or mascara. I wish it didn't have to be either or.

>>4764773
I concur wholly. I remember thinking "oh cool, /cgl/ is going to have some EGL pics," and then it was nothing but Sweet shit.

I bought a dress from a girl and paid her on Saturday in the afternoon. She hasn't PMed me back yet. I'm overthinking it, I know, but I'm impatient and paranoid... Plus, I just checked and she doesn't have a feedback page.

She was really good about getting back to me quickly before, so I'm just worried.

>>Sell item I haven't worn in a long time on comm sales after a repost
>>haven't looked at it in 3 weeks
>>It has a stain
>>afraid if I ship it late I'll get bad feedback
>>Take it to cleaners, they get stains out but it's still damp
>>Afraid to say anything to buyer
>>Flat rate box too small
>>Can't afford to buy a bigger one and not charge buyer.
>>Shove it in there anyway
>>Item gets damaged in shipping
>>Buyer is mad
>>Can't refund money because I used it to pay my rent
>>Get GTFO post
>>Banned from sales comm

I was pretty much afraid to try to work with her at any stage of the process because I am terrified of other lolitas being bitchy and never interact with them. Then I freaked and went on the defensive.

Worst part is I later met her. I never post to LJ, so she doesn't know it was me. She's really nice and probably would be totally fine with working with someone.

Meh. I'm 25 now, and can't buy lolita because I'm too poor. By the time I get money to worry about going out or buying clothing from anywhere but goodwill, I'll probably be too old for loli anyway.

>>4764955
if you've PMed her, and commented on the sales post that you've paid, pretty much all you can do is wait :\

>>4764913
>AatP
magic word! you have my full attention, miss!
honestly, i don't have a problem with people posting sales stuff on /cgl/. there was that one girl who was asking for price advice on her stuff (the one with the dead grandma) and i think she should have just tried to sell it in that thread.
but summerfags do troll, so i understand the concern.
but anyway.... do you have any prints??

>>4764913
Oh, man AATP.

>>4764988
Rule 8 on the sales comm says "Images of the items for sale must be your own". I know it's in the context of taking your own pictures of the items, rather than using someone elses, BUT it could also technically mean that you can't sell another person's items, and this worries me, because a friend of mine had a sales post containing a lot of my items to sell because I was really busy at the time and couldn't bother with selling them myself, but now she left and I need to sell it myself. I don't want to cause drama with people being like "THAT'S NOT YOURS, I SAW THAT IN xxxx's SALES POST"
So now I'm kinda scared to post them on comm_sales in case the mods aren't okay with it and get banned ;_;

does shiverling count as a gripe? if so, shiverling. Annoying, pompous ignorant POS.

Other than that... sales comm mods not adding me to the approval list despite contacting them when they first made it, posting several times without error (this was back when they said "ohh yeah we'll add you as soon as you make a post without any rule breakage!") and now afterward. Gdi, add me to that list so I can stop getting my posts approved at 1 am EST and getting buried a few hours later.

>>4764505
I get my mental healthcare from my GP. He's pretty chill and if a medication isn't working for me he doesn't try to talk me into staying on it. He also always prescribes me with the generic stuff because he knows my family is poor. feelsgoodman.jpg

Back when I got state health insurance they sent me to a mental health counselor. When I was feeling suicidal I'd talk to him and he saved my life a few times. That was back in high school, though, so I can't tell you how it is in the "real world".

>>4765019
Ugh this. I fucking hate shiverling. And the girl on l_s with the goddamn Fluttershy userpic.

Just how long is my package going to be?
I knew it was going to be a long time but this sure is annoying.
...Hurry up.

>>4765006
>>4764996
Yeah I do have prints. If you guys are actually interested, I'll just post here.
Btw, I'm >>4765015
so if you have seen this stuff in someone else's sales post, don't worry, they are mine not hers, sitting a few yards away from me atm, ready to be shipped, and here's a proof picture.
I'm leaving for norcal soon and I seriously want to get rid of this stuff!!
Sage for irrelevance to OP's topic; I don't want to be impolite!

+Le Lac des Cygnes OP in pink
+Castle of Nightmare JSK in ivory
+Sleeping Beauty SK in black
+ Sleeping Beauty tote in ivory
+black AatP cardigan (see pic for print)
+black BtSSB rose embroidery cardigan
+BtSSB Gloomy Bear tartan skirt (2 heart size, which I think is medium??)
+black BTSSB angel gobelin handbag
+red velvet BtSSB skirt (it's incredibly luxurious and I'd keep it, but the waist is way too small for me)
There's also a pink AP JSK+headbow set I'm selling.

more detailed pics are here: (used brackets so 4chan doesn't think I'm a spambot)
[http://]s1237[dot]photobucket[dot]com/albums/ff479/selling_lolita/

>>4765069
forgot to sage. I'm a tard. Sorry OP.

>saved $400
>been searching for 2 years
>still can't find damn dream dress
it's so much more than a gripe now

>>4765069
....charms was selling your loli for you?
why in the world would you do that. i'm pretty sure like 70% of egl would rather buy from someone not-charlottecharms

>>4765079
hi me

I don't even know if I want my dream dress anymore, I've been looking for 3 years or so and can't find it anywhere, yet I can't let go of the money I saved towards it.

>>4765087
Yeah, she was going to sell a lot of her stuff, so offered to put mine in the same post. I handled the PP invoices and all that because she had some problem with her PP at the time.
So yeah, basically, I'm selling all my stuff now, not Charms, and I'm essentially unknown in the lolita world but have positive feedback and no dramu, so you know I'm not some sort of troll haha
but yeah I understand your point -_-

>>4765090
i know! i don't want to spend the money i saved for it because i have this sinking feeling that it's going to pop up somewhere the next day and i'm going to be super pissed that i missed it!
it's probably a lost cause though. so. much. searching!!

>>4765069
>Castle of Nightmare
FFFF you're the one who had the black CoN skirt for auction!! IT SOLD BIN BEFORE I COULD COMMENT.
>MY FREAKING FACE WHEN
you could have gotten a lot more money for that skirt btw

>>4765111
Yeah I am that person haha
But I didn't want to superscalp :( but yeah, even the girl who bought it told me my price was really reasonable. And I was like o_O 'glad you think so...'

i don't go on egl because i
1. can't stand LJ
2. so many retarded egl members

/cgl/ feels like home.

>>4765069
i don't blame you, i'd rather sell my shit on /cgl/ than egl any time. i'm not even registered with the sales comm feedback lj because i've heard so many stories of unresponsive/unpaying buyers being a pain in the ass

>>4763975
Lately they have been going back several years to old daily_lolita posts and then mixing in random recent ones. They tend to post things that have something creative about them, but it is sort of arbitrary? Do you lean towards more cookie-cutter sweet? That may be the problem. Those sorts of posts get tons of comments, but they don't seem to be the ones they post there. It's run by janitors and annieduck (?) I believe. So you can see the sort of posts on daily_lolita that they comment on to get a sense of what they find interesting, beyond what they post to the tumblr. If you don't get posted there, I really wouldn't think too much about it.

>>4764913
Damn. Was hoping you'd have a Queens Coach JSK.
Good luck with your sales, though!

>>4765141
They also created it keeping as unbiased an approach as possible, per the requests of people on /cgl/, avoiding posting only lolitas that were already popular.

>>4765139
i go on comm_sales but not egl. you don't have to sell to one of the egl dramacows if they have shitty feedback (basically, use anything as an excuse) so it's not all that bad.

gripe: SS didn't get my CC set. i know i know. i'm one of many. still bothered, though >:(

>>4763975
i didn't even know that tumblr existed until now

>>4765015
>Images of the items for sale must be your own
Actually I think you ARE allowed to sell someone else's items.... it doesn't say in the rules that you absolutely can't, or that you have to put a disclaimer or anything. I'm like 99% sure that sentence is referring to pictures only, so you should probably be fine!
The sales comm mods are actually pretty chill about things. Except LJ cuts. Because that's....super obvious.

>>4765173
Neither did I. Looks like most of the same people, though.

>>4763975
I don't think I ever wanted anything more than I want this outfit right now

>>4765069
....how much do you want for the Sleeping Beauty skirt??

My gripe, as a gothic lolita, is how some goths look at me and my fashion. Keep in mine I said some, not all, I'm fully aware there are some goths who are perfectly okay with the lolita subculture.

Anyway, I was told today by a friend that when she thinks of lolita she thinks OTT sweet (which is still fairly new so?) and that when she seets gothic lolita she just thinks "wtf are you wearing, that is not gothic."

What?

>>4765256
$290 shipped?
It's in perfect condition by the way!

>>4765141
annieduck here
I'm the primary poster on there.
I do generally try to keep the posting of the really e-famous girls to a minimum, or at least parse it out a fair bit.
Yes, I am going through the comm archives for content. I try to keep the queue pretty well filled (however, with real life happening the way it is right now, it's been a little trickier), and the stuff that's posted day to day on the comm generally isn't enough to keep it going.
My standards for choosing posts are pretty much if there's something going on with the outfit that I find particularly interesting or well executed. I generally avoid outfits that are super cookie-cutter (regardless of sub-style) since it's all shit that we've seen before, and I'm trying to bring to light lesser known posters/outfits that deserve more credit for doing what they are.

>>4765257
wtf?
I prefer elegant/Victorian inspired looks over the alternative, punk crap any day. EGL is beautiful, and just as gothic as the outfits in your picture. That's like... that's like saying THIS isn't gothic just because it's super Victorian. Pic very related!

Keep doin watchu doin, girl.

>>4765261
gah, a bit too much for me, since it's not one of my dream prints. i'm sure someone else will want it though.

>>4765277
Personally, I agree. Victorian goth > industrial goth. And EGL is like half a step away from victorian goth, with gothic lolita just another half step away.

Saying this looks like "a child wearing her mothers dress" is offensive, and just plain rude. I gave her a horrible stink look, and she just laughed nervously. Honestly, I hate talking about lolita with non-lolita's. It never ends well, just ignorance errywuur

not really a gripe, but i think the chess chocolate skirt looks retarded. was hoping it would be more... normal looking. also it looks incredibly short.

>>4765303
ahaha "a child wearing her mothers dress" reminds me of this frankly horrific article that was sort of about lolita that was in the vancouver courier last summer
like, they used our picture, but didn't interview us at all, and then this... thing came out.
http://www.vancourier.com/Vancouver+convention+celebrates+Asian+animation/3391017/story.html

>>4765320
Oh my, people are so weird.

>>4765303
I totally know what you mean. Last year when I was a freshman in college, my roommate thought I was insane for dressing in "200 year old dresses". And the parasol thing.... oh man, the number of times someone in a class came up to me and said, "Aren't you the girl with the white umbrella? I see you all the time!"
Way to make me self-conscious. I use the parasol for sun protection, not just as a fashion statement :(

>>4765257
I have a similar problem, except I'm dating a trad goth. He wants me to wear sweet lolita, or classic. Not gothic, because it's "more lolita" than gothic is, and apparently all types of j-goth aren't actually goth at all. It's not like he'd ever say I had to, or not be seen with me if I were in gothic, it's just what he'd prefer.
But at the same time he doesn't want me to wear lolita unless he's dressed nice, he usually dresses like a bum because comfort > fashion to him. So he does respect it?

What do you guys think?

>>4765263
Do you ever ask the people you post for permission? Especially considering Tumblr's crackdowns on copyright reports...

>>4765263
I source every single post and if someone wants me to take down a post they're in, I will, no problem.
I'm by no means claiming it to be stuff I've produced myself.

>>4764438

Super late, but thanks anon.
I don't think we have junior colleges, though. If we did, I would have a semblance of a clue as to what they are!
I'm not confident in my drawing skills, but I am very crafty. I can make AA vidya crap and OTT jewellery, and I'm working on learning to make soap. I was looking at opening an etsy store, and I guess I'll work on that. You're the second anon to tell me I can do it.

And as for the meds, I was at that point too. I was depressed and anxious, and I worked at Walmart full-time for about a week before I had to quit. I would cry to and from and at work, for no other reason than I was just so afraid of everything.
It was my mum's friend, a nurse, who suggested I go to the doctor. She even works at the free clinic I go to.

But yeah, thank you. I'll get my lazy ass in gear and go make some money.

>>4764111

Oh shit. I want this, I want this so badly.

>>4764913

I love sellers like you. I try to make a nice effort with my packages as well. I pack them well with some nice note/decoration (even if it's something like stickers or rubber stamp) and I always mail it within 24 hrs.

>>4765360
When it comes to copyright, that doesn't matter. You didn't get permission to use their photographs that they own the copyright to - you can source if you want, but if they wanted to report you they could, and if Tumblr decided you had enough pictures abusing copyright/they got enough complains, othe journal itself could be suspended. It only takes a minute to leave a comment asking for permission to use a photo.

I'm not saying this to be a bitch, just from someone who had a long-standing tumblr removed for not asking permission--and yes I sourced everything, stated repeatedly I didn't own them, but that doesn't matter when it comes to Tumblr and people reporting copyright violations.

>>4765360
Also, the tumblr has no "ask" option open and so no way for the people to contact the tumblr asking for photos to be taken down. So even if they did stumble upon the tumblr using their photograph, they have no way to ask for it to be removed other than reporting it to Tumblr first.

My gripe right now is Jola selling multiple pairs of used socks for $50. I feel like she overprices all the brand she tries to sell, but when she tries to sell indie brands, she underprices.

>>4765442
>>4765452
I'll add contact info to the main page so that people can email me if they want something taken down. Hopefully that'll help.
Thanks for the heads up!

>>4765456

There's a lot of times I wanted stuff in Jola's posts but didn't buy because it was so overpriced.
Does she wear stuff once and sell it? Trying to figure out if she has a great job or a constantly rotating wardrobe.

>>4765069
how much for the btssb red velvet skirt?

I have no idea how much it goes for, otherwise I'd make an offer.

>>4765069
>>4765539
derp, i'm going to go to bed soon but hopefully this thread will still be up in a few hours, i'll check back.

>>4765327
where can i get a really good quality one?

>>4765327
Well, there's the brand ones :V I have one from AATP and it's quite nice, waterproof as well etc, but one of my friends has one from Meta and the shade is made from really nice canvas (water resistant, too!) with a wooden handle, and it's really lovely and sturdy. If you see one for sale anywhere, seriously, snatch it up.
There's also Lumiebre, a Japanese parasol maker. You can get their stuff from their HP (lumiebre.jp) or from CDJapan.

>>4765069
Too bad I like CoN better as a JSK and spent too much at Comic Con, otherwise I'd be all over that, the cardigans and the Sleeping Beauty skirt like white on rice.

>>4762950
Same with skinny lolitas. So seriously, get over yourself. You know when you do lolita right? When you make sure YOU do it right. Not others.

I hate bitches that haggle when the item in question is already below $5,-.
WTF!!
Be cheap somwhere else bitch.

>>4765683

I agree, being skinny doesn't automatically make you a good lolita, you can still look ita as fuck by doing it wrong.
Doing it wrong comes in all sizes, people!

I rage when I see people that don't take care of their wigs or even try to fix it so they don't look like shit. It takes ONE minute for you to actually make sure the damn thing isn't showing your hair and that you keep it neat. For fucksake man, its easy as hell. Gah..

The most beautiful lolita who is the most true to herself is overweight! I am sick of all these brand-name-bitches putting down people who aren't the same as them! Hell, I know I've found knock-off and artisan dresses I liked a hell of a lot more than some of the things from Moi Meme Moitie or Baby, call it blasphemy if you will. Many lolitas are no better than freaking preps, "name brand this", "name brand that", judging and looking down on others for doing it "wrong". Worse than even the goth community, seriously. Trad goths are more accepting of Masonites than a lot of you elitist girls are of girls who don't own any brand. Considering our subculture (goth) has been around really since the 70s and especially the 80s, those baby-rebels of yours really have some nerve showing such arrogance about something so superficial that it comes down to nothing more than MONEY.

Do what you girls want, I'm just sad to see the lolitas you chase out from the scene because of your crap.

But, I do understand full well the embarrassment of when some people really do not know how to wear lolita... like when a 12 year old wears trips and black lipstick with a band t-shirt, makes you kinda wanna claw your eyes out. But being cruel is no way of handling it, in fact it only does more damage and it makes ALL of us look bad; it makes the "less pretty" girls look like posers, and it makes the "more pretty" girls look like bitches. It's a lose-lose situation to react with hatred towards the fellow lolita.

>>4766184
I love you <3

You know what I hate?
Lolitas who wear Bodyline or offbrand or whatever and automatically assume that those of us who prefer brand are elitist bitches who'll just make fun of them and try to drive them out of the fashion.
No.
I prefer my Angelic Pretty over Bodyline any day and don't want to wear replicas myself, but I'm not going to bash you for doing so. Some of my best friends wear Bodyline and Taobao replicas. Just because I'm wearing head-to-toe brand, that doesn't mean I'm an elitist bitch. The ATTITUDE is what makes you elitist, not the clothes.

I don't wear OTT sweet, but it's what first got me interested in lolita and it makes me sad when people bash it because I think it's so pretty when it's done right. When it's done badly of course it looks horrible, but guess what? Classic and gothic also look horrible when they're done badly.

>>4766217

Leading on from that, you know what I hate?
I hate that because I wear Bodyline and offbrand, girls who wear brand might assume I hate them and think they're elitist bitches >.< Whenever I meet a girl in brand, I always worry she's thinking "Omg, she'll post me on cgl later."
I don't think that at all, I prefer brand too! I just can't afford it at the minute. inb4 save money then - I am saving, I hope to buy a brand dress fairly soon. Until then I have a small amount of BL dresses to tide me over for meetups and things.

>>4766245
Honestly, I think non-brand wearing girls can just as easily have elitist attitude as brand wearing girls.

And actually, one of those good friends I was talking about really annoys me sometimes how she bashes AP all the time...she buys DoL replicas then posts on Facebook how AP quality is so terrible and the replicas are waaay more worth it, even though she knows I'm a die-hard AP fan. I'm cool with her spending her money on whatever she wants, but does she really have to bash my own tastes in the process?
She's usually a sweet girl, but this one little thing always gets me...

>>4766245
>>4766217
Hmmm maybe we should all try to get along and just not make assumptions based on nothng but chips on our shoulders I guess...
I am the same, I wear a lot of brand now cos I finally have a job that pays well. But that's about it. Before, when I was still a student, I only wore Bodyline. So I don't really think anything about anyone based on what they wear...

>>4766256

I know they can, and it's girls like that that make me frightened of being seen as a 'bodyline elitist' :( I don't see what the big deal is either way.
Also, that's bullshit. AP is not bad quality. I own ONE piece of brand - FD miniskirt - and it's really nice, really good quality. I do happen to love my BL dresses, but I'll happily admit that the lace on one of them is bloody awful and the fabric on another is shiny.
WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG ;-;

>>4766257
I'm >>4766217, and that's exactly what I think. I want us all to get along...we all love the same fashion, why do we need to fight so much about it? People can be so petty...

>>4766217

I know Bodyline lolitas who talk shit about how stupid brand lolitas are for spending so much money on brand, RIGHT in front of someone obviously wearing brand.

>>4766279

Well with the way BL's prices and shipping are right now, they're pretty stupid for buying BL's shit when they could get 2nd hand brand off EGLsales.

>>4766245
It's tricky, but I think (speak from experience within my own local comm), that the elitiest attitude seems to come from one member who doesn't own brand, because it doesn't fit her. She is more than happy to call anyone who wears brand elitest and claims the quality of bodyline/replicas is just as good. I own handmade, bodyline, brand and replicas and its blatant that the quality of brand is better. What really irks me is how she goes on about only elitest bitches will be able to spot a replica...FALSE! There are a couple in out group who only wear brand, the don't go on about it and certainly don't tell the others what to wear.

>>4766217
Oh God THIS!

One of my local lolitas recently told me that when we first met she assumed I was, as she put it, "an elitist bitch" because I was wearing brand and avoided me because of it. It was only after about our second meet when I came out of my shell and started making sure to get to know everyone in the group and find common interests outside of lolita to chat about that she realised I wasn't a bitch.
I laughed along with her at the time but I was actually really hurt that she would assume that about me without getting to know me and pretty pissed that she didn't seem sorry for it.

>>4766286

WAT

does this mean I'm an elitist bitch for being able to spot replicas? Even thought I can spot them because I only own them?

>>4766288
>>4766289
Please do not get me started on this girl. Just typing about her is making me tense up! But yeah, in her logic that would make you an elitest bitch. Kinda makes me second guess what coord to put on to a meet if I know new Lolis are coming as you don't want them to think that your gonna be looking down on them if they wear bodyline. It's pretty ridiculous! I will wear what I goddamn want! Why the hell should it matter to you?

>>4765263

Thanks for the info! I don't have cookie cutter outfits and I'm not really well known, so I guess I just need to try harder.

I hate most lifestyle lolitas, because nine times out of ten they're 12 year old girls who don't even own any Lolita clothing and think that just by liking tea and reading poetry they can be a true rori.

>>4766349

>12 year old lifestyler

It's bad that I automatically thought of Fluttershy Girl, isn't it.

>>4766184
>preps
lol

>>4766367

>>4764471
I have and I am working on weaning off atm. Be careful as the other anon who replied to you is correct about the awful withdrawal. You experience something they call "brain zaps," which are surges of adrenaline that cause acute panic attacks. Not fun.

I have been looking into "natural" ways of calming myself lately; I have started taking niacin daily and so far so good.

First and foremost, therapy is very important. That's what helped me more than any medicine I ever took.

Good luck anon!

>friend does lolita
>she seems to always wear things too small for her
>one of her friends is also into lolita
>friend's friend is bigger than her, but wears stuff that fits and generally seem to look better
How do I tell her she doesn't look good? Its not that shes too fat, its like she doesn't have the right body shape

I hate RHS.
I hate large head bows.
I hate teaparty shoes.
I hate kneesocks.
I hate bonnets.
I hate OTT sweet.

I hate "lifestyle loli" with a passion. Playing the viola does not make you a better lolita. It's called a hobby, you socially inept dumbass. Stop with the rori lifustylu crap because it doesn't fucking exist.
Seriously I point and laugh at these desperate kids. Baaawwww my life isn't special enough already with my wardrobe full of completely crazy dresses

Clobbao sent my package via registered airmail. It's been sitting at "arrival at transit office of exchange" for 10 days. Should I be worried?

>>4764438
You should take a look over at /ic/ and see if they can recommended you some stuff, which nearly all should be available online. They've talked about art school before, and how in very many cases you don't need it for an art career or just to make money and improve. You be surprised at how much they can help as long as you don't mention the anime style...they get kinda pissy about that.

I guess my gripe is: Why do so many girls think they MUST attend a meetup to be A TROO lolita? I feel they aren't worth it, especially if you're new and worried you may be doing things wrong. But more than anything, I don't feel like this fashion should revolve around dressing up for events or whatever, it should be something someone wears and can wear on their own without a support group, I mean, if you love it I don't think it would be that hard. "not a book club" is right.

>>4766412
Ugh agree.

"I like pink and Marie Antoinette and tea! I play the flute! I'm such a lifestyler"!

No. You just like pink and Marie Antoinette and tea, and play the flute. Get over it.

I feel like OTT sweet bashing is only the most prevalent bashing because the people who hate and feel resentful towards that style happen to be the most obnoxious ones in the lolita community. I could talk about how I think classic lolita is boring 99% of the time but I don't, because I'm not wearing it and I don't care. I could also talk about how pirate lolita looks just as much like a costume as people say OTT sweet does, but I won't get into the argument because I don't care and people can wear whatever they want.

When girls who have no desire to wear OTT sweet come down hard on it all the time it gets old. You don't like it, we get it, concentrate on the shit you do like and leave other people alone.

>>4766551
Have you ever been to a meetup? Naturally it depends on who is there and what you do, but wearing lolita on your own and wearing lolita with lots of other people around are two completely different experiences. Part of it is the "support group" but it's also about being around others who appreciate what went into your outfit, who can see the details and how much effort you made to look good, and won't just see "that chick wearing that strange dress."

To me, it's the same reason I post pictures online - it's all well and good to dress up at home and look in the mirror and tell myself I look pretty but after a while I start to feel a little Buffalo Bill. It feels less crazy when you connect with others who "get it."

>>4765263
I follow you and you post a lot of herajika, crazy_kitch and lunie_chan, js

I just got this email from Bodyline after having made an order the other day:

>Hello
>Your order item are sent.I mean next time you order item,You can sent me your order list then we can check it.
>Have a nice day
>Thank you

I... do not know what they're trying to tell me. Has anyone else gotten a message like this?

>>4766589
Yes. They send it to everyone. No one knows why.

>>4766595
Oh, all right. Thank you. I was afraid I'd done it incorrectly somehow.

>>4766551
I like going to meetups, but then I'm pretty established in my community and friends with enough of the other girls (i.e. we have hung out outside of meetups). But I do tend to dress much differently for everyday lolita than I do for a meetup. The last time I wore my "everyday" style (very casual lolita, or otome) to a meetup, pics got posted and I got reamed.

>>4765456
She made a post on angelicpoodle asking how much she should price her socks for, and people told her to price them for $50...

I have been having dreams about lolita. I'm not even a lolita, I own two dresses, one salopette and two skirts (and a Putumayo uniform, if we're at it) because I liked them individually. My only exposition to the style was through /cgl/

But I have dreams about lolita.

Usually nightmares.

What does this mean?

>>4765456
I don't know about all of them but iirc at least some of them were marked as unworn.

>>4766635
we need more information for a dream reading. tell us what you can recall of your dreams/nightmares.

>>4766635

Seconding /r/ for more details.

>>4766618
Also, a lot of them are NWOT, not used.

>>4766584
I admit I haven't, though I've never been too good at making friends. I'm too self-conscious.

>>4766650
>>4766657
It varies and it's usually included in a much bigger picture. But the lolita part always makes me uncomfortable and anxious during the dreams. A lot of things have appeared already:

- My friends becoming lolitas and shunning me because I'm not dressed with brand
- Everyone in the dream dressed in lolita except for me
- Me wearing lolita, but the coordination being unnaceptable for everyone else
- Me trying to go to a lolita meet-up dressed up in otome (what I actually wear most of the time)

And that's what I remember so far. The dreams with lolita are becoming more frequent and I don't know what's wrong with me...

>>4766681
My opinion? You're spending too much time online dealing with lolita.

Go outside. Read a book. Have a break from the internet and do something else.

I tend to start having dreams about things when they're overwhelming me. I used to have really bad ones about my old job right before I ended up quitting, because the stress of it was seriously getting to me. You're not crazy or anything, you're just overloading yourself with lolita drama and it's making you worry.

>>4766681

There's nothing wrong with you, it's just your anxiety at not being accepted by the general loli community coming through. I sometimes have dreams like that too, especially before meets. I think it might help if you dare to wear whatever outfit you want with pride. Stay in a 'fuck da h8ers' mindset for the whole con/meet, soak up the compliments wherever they come, always remember to respond with 'thank you', not with something like 'oh, it's not a very good outfit really'.
It seems to be an inferiority thing and I completely know that feel. How long have you been into lolita?

>>4766681
well there's a really obvious pattern of acceptance anxiety - you are afraid of being outside the group, being different, being not good enough.

maybe spend some time with non-lolita friends doing non-lolita stuff? the first few months when I got into lolita I was having similar dreams to yours all the time

>>4766696

That's an idea but at the same time I wonder if the dreams would start up again when anon rejoins the lolita comms?

>>4766559

Seriously. God, I hate lifestylers.

gripes? that reading this thread the majority of you seem like cunts. get a grip.

>>4766690
As a cosplayer, staying away from /cgl/ is hard, but I'll try to ignore the loli drama more often (though it's fun) Thanks.

>>4766691
I'm not really a lolita, but I like individual pieces. I bought my AatP salopette about a year ago and have been buying the couple of stuff I mentioned before once in a while. I also can't go to meets (small country, a single community) because there's a girl there that I can't get along with to a very dangerous point. So I don't have any other lolis irl to compare myself with and whenever I wear my clothes (usually going out clubbing or pub exploring) I receive nothing but compliments.

I like clothes and take a lot of care with what I care and wear, so maybe these dreams are also a sign that I care too much about it?

Thanks anyway, I really had to vent about this to people who actually know about lolita.

>>4766710

Which parts made anyone sound like cunts? I've not read some bits of the thread but no one has been out of order that I've seen...

>>4766715

Two more ideas from that:
1. Maybe your dreams are to do with the girl you don't get on with. Maybe you think because she's accepted, you won't be?
2. You definitly care too much!

I think you should get talking to some of the other girls from the comm online, get an invite and just go. Don't speak to the girl you don't get on with. Yeah, okay, maybe she's told the other members you're a complete cuntsock but when they meet you they'll know that's bullshit.

You wanna know my biggest problem? Why every lolita has to stick their nose into how a person should wear their dresses. It isn't your place to say they should or should not wear anything with said outfit. They are just clothes for the love of god. Half the people don't even put effort into their "everyday" clothes or criticize others outside of lolita. It just pisses me off.

>>4766718
the constant bitching about other people.
yes, it's a gripe thread, but this is what you're always like.
oh no someone's wearing something you don't like, what's it matter to you? shut the fuck up and move on. do you have such little self esteem that you have to jump on other peoples shit?

>>4766739

Quotes? Not being rude, just seriously haven't seen that. I've seen a LOT of 'people think this' and 'people think that' with nothing to back it up. Like >>4766738
>every lolita has to stick their nose in
erm, nope.jpg
99% of us don't give a fuck what other girls choose to wear, but we all seem to be caught up in worrying about what the other 1% think.

>>4766739
Can agree with this. Yet another reason I avoid the online community and most people in my area. Non stop bitch fest..

>>4766739

No one is attacking anyone for their outfits in this thread, save for the one girl in leopard print. We're either talking about bad behavior or pieces we don't like. There's a difference between "kneesocks are ugly" and "(random lolita) looks like a flabby cunt in kneesocks, let's get her!"

I hate seeing all of the nasty, low blow comments on /cgl/ about people's looks or their weight. You know, comments that have nothing to do with the person's actual outfit.

Personally I like seeing average or normal looking girls wearing lolita and coordinating well, because it makes me feel like you don't need to have extraordinarily gifted genes to participate and feel accepted in the lolita community. But on /cgl/, it seems like if you don't have the face and body of a Vogue supermodel, you're basically a worthless piece of shit.

>>4766807
Those are people's opinions. You shouldn't let the opinions of others get to you.

that said, sometimes it's relevant.

I want Meta's new Sailor dress in the Antique WhitexBrown colourway. It's just so gorgeous.

But even though I could buy it, I don't think I could justify spending ~£200 on a new non-print dress.

>>4766820
Not the anon you replied to but how is it relevant?

>>4766807

Heh, I've got a 95 cm bust and a 76 cm waist, and I'm always getting compliments on my figure...but Lolita makes me feel like a whale. It's just the way it is sometimes, these clothes are designed for a race with a much smaller bone structure on average and it's hard for other people to look good in it.

Unfortunately, /cgl/ happens to be the place where bad pictures go to die, and when you're wearing a fashion not designed for your body type, it becomes a hundred times more likely you end up here.

>>4766837

Not the anon you're replying to, but pic related.

>>4766844
I don't see why, outside of her sewing, she is posted. Sure she is a big girl but I don't know. Maybe I am one of those people with that mentality of do what you will.

>>4766837
the anon i was responding to complained that weight has nothing to do with whether people look good or not and while it is obviously true that there are fatties who do it rite and skinnies who do it rong, sometimes the person's weight is directly related to their ability or inability to do it.

pic related, it's pinkzombies, who is the one who originally brought her weight into the discussion in past dramus by begging people to let her win auctions for dresses as a 'present' for getting an elective weight-loss surgery, told everyone to go fuck themselves and that she 'fits in her ap apparels' [spoiler] she doesn't[/spoiler] and then sold off her brand for replicas which she would ostensibly be able to commission to a larger size to fit her, but they still don't. and she is a "lolita designer" but she has never taken pictures of herself wearing anything she's made. furthermore she continues to make it 'about' her weight when she posts in egl_plus and not egl asking for opinions on her "brand", implying that only stupid fatties would ever buy her abortions of fabric.

>>4765539
Shipped for $110?
Honestly I think it's worth more than that, but like I said, I seriously want to sell all this before I go back to college haha

>>4765607
Damn! Well I'm glad you had fun at SDCC!
The CoN JSK in ivory was my dream dress, but the most I think about it, the more I don't think JSKs suit me (I'm more for skirts or OPs)

>>4766864
She has kept her head down recently but about a year or so ago she was wallowing in her own stirred-shit drama.

Highlights:
>she whined about winning/losing an auction for milky planet that she wanted as a present to herself for getting a lapband. then when she won she didn't have the money to pay for it.
>she sold stretched out brand without mentioning the damages
>she flaked on sales, both as a buyer and a seller
>she gave herself positive feedback on etsy with two different accounts (against etsy's tos)
>she got in a catfight with faerydragonet and they both threatened eachother online but never delivered, a crime in and of itself.
>she quit her job to become a "lolita designer" but still has no idea how to properly construct a garment

I could go on.

>>4766870
here's what you need to understand;
there is no right or wrong. there is how people want to/choose to dress, and that's it.
it doesn't matter if someone elses views coincide with yours, or if 100 of you happen to dislike it.

concentrate on your own shit, stop trying to judge other people because it makes you feel better. you're entitled to dislike it, you're not entitled to bitch about it/the person like you're fucking 14 and in high school.

i don't pay the slightest heed to what i wear, and i couldn't give a fuck what anyone else thinks about me for it. i know girls who are upset by it though, and it's not on.

>>4766807
Unless you are a model, then cgl will say you're too skinny.
You can't win.

>>4766885
actually i am entitled to bitch about it and you're entitled to ignore my bitching.

>>4762968
Pretty much what I've been saying for a long time, to everybody else we all look like freaks, so all of the "OMG THIS SUBSTYLE LOOKS BETTER THAN THAT SUBSTYLE!" is pretty rediculous really.

>>4766864
Because she's a bitch, as people have mentioned.

My "favorite" thing she's done is fuck over a girl in the California community by arranging for the girl to drive 2-3 hours to some Hello Kitty event to pick a dress up... and then turning around, selling the dress online and not telling said girl she sold it. The girl only found out the day of the event (and it was raining, so she would have driven 2-3 hours in the rain) through a friend who saw where PZ had sold the dress online. And PZ didn't even have the balls to answer the girl when she was confronted about it.

>>4766870
The anon you responded to.

But isn't lolita, like any fashion, something you make for yourself? Now the whole whining to win auctions is just sad but weight wise why do we feel we have to people don't look good to us? Shouldn't it matter as long as you are happy with your own style? And not in a rebellious way, just the kind of way you wear a long dress with converse and your favorite hat. Sure to other folks it might look awful but its your clothing so wear it how ever you want.

>>4766883
I can see the damages to the items not being said, flaky all the way around, and such. But it isn't our place to say get a job is it? If she sucks at it her business will just fail. It wouldn't affect you or me or anyone but her family and herself. Personally more power to her because I would never up and quit my job for designing clothes.

Dye from a cheap cardigan that I was wearing over a new blouse leeched onto the blouse and now I have these lovely greenish-brown stains everywhere. Fml.

Also, I hate that some of the cutest stuff on Taobao is a fixed size (which is even smaller than Japanese sizing because the Chinese a fucking tiny). Makes me a sad panda.

>>4766903
Now that is just sad and pathetic in every way possible..

>>4766911
It's no ones place to say get a job, but when someone posts about their life publicly, what else do they expect but for people to comment on it? She posted about having credit card debts and medical debts and bills to pay, but blows it all on lolita then quits her steady paying job for a job as a "fashion designer" when she has had no schooling, has no technical training, and sells things that even shitty seamstresses like rabbit777 can look at and say "Woah, did you really send that to someone in exchange for money?"

>>4766922
Maybe she does it for attention? Or she is just slow in the head. But all the other things I can completely understand. It is sad but some people have to crash hard and burn hot for them to get it.

One of my personal peeves though thankfully, I don't see it nearly as often anymore

>bittersweet lolita
>Gretchen, stop trying to make bitterweet happen!

>>4766964
THIS

peeves and gripes:
When someone bashes a perfectly fine outfit because it isn't their own preferred substyle. (like an OTT sweet bashing classic because it isn't cute or classic saying that an OTT sweet looks bad because all OTT sweet sucks.)

People who feel entitled to a dress that belongs to someone else. (how dares she stretch out/ sit on the ground/ do whatever it is that I disapprove of in MY DREAM DRESS!) It isn't your dress. It is her dress. If you want it so badly then pony up the money and bid more than everyone else when it goes on auction.

People who get angry that dresses sell for more than they can afford. Yes, it sucks when my dream dresses are expensive. That is the way of the world and bitching about it just makes you look like a whiny little brat.

I have to jump on the bandwagon with:
lifestyle lolis: I drink tea and like classical music and books and shit. I also like science fiction and monster movies and yoga. I liked all of this before I got into the fashion and will continue to after I stop wearing it. Just like what you like. If your interests happen to coincide with "lifestyle" then dandy for you. If not, cool.

>>4767046
You are my heroine/hero

I wish you weren't an anon because I would totally be your friend. No lie.

>>4766870
>sometimes the person's weight is directly related to their ability or inability to do it

Wrong. Correlation does not imply causation.

>>4767621
I said sometimes anon.

>Be fatty for whole life
>Didn't give a shit how I looked or dressed
>woke up from my fatty stupor one day and started losing weight
>realized, hey I can look good in clothes!
>teach self how to dress and wear makeup

it's often true that if you have good looks and a smaller body you can look good in anything but if you're a fatty you have to be well informed to know what will look good on your body.

>>4767628

Or, you could have gone this way
>Be fatty whole life
>realize you can look good in clothes
>do so

>>4767638
but I would have had to put more effort into finding clothes that fit and looked good, or else have them tailored and the truth is that most fatties are lazy (I was) and it can be frustrating to go into store after store and try things on and nothing looks good so you give up.

or else you're already in denial about being fat so you cram yourself into something for a smaller person and continue to deny.

it can go the other way where a girl is in clothes too big for her but that doesn't happen very frequently does it.

My main gripe is currently all the edgy bitches in the community. You know the type. They hardly ever participate outside of posting something rude, snotty, blunt, and edgy. They tend to either not post outfits at all or are terrible at coordinating. They rub elbows with similar minded bitches on getoffegl, loli_secret, etc, and would rather throw out ad hominem attacks when confronted or post macros or Mean Girls quotes rather than deal with the issues at hand.

Tiferet, czol, shiverling, rabbit777... so many more to choose from.

This is pretty trite but I hate when wearing lolita it seems like an invite for randoms to invade my personal space/touch me. I understand I'll get stared at for wearing something strange, but no touching! It's like all common sense or manners are thrown out the window.

Especially at cons. OH A LOLITA- CAN I HUG YOU?? The first time I was too flustered so I agreed (well tolerated) it but the second time I was like "I'm sorry, I don't do hugs". Poor tween girl looked so crushed... my BF made fun of me for a long time after that.

>>4767693
That's just a personal thing, not really a lolita thing though (seeing you were at a con).

>>4765257
>>4765277
>>4765303
As a goth, I don't mind lolita either and I wouldn't stick around for long if I wasn't but I don't blame some of us having that opinion, you can't swing a dead cat into a popular goth night without hitting at least 5 done to death goth aristocrats. And posts like>>4766184, blech. (Hope she's still fairly young...)

>>4765340
>dating a trad goth who slums it hard
If he expects you to look like an on-point club goth girl while he shleps around in worn to death Lip Service and a Munster shirt, then you should run.

>>4766876
Thanks, it was amazering.

>>4766608
That's sort of my gripe for the topic, I worry about the room for experimentation in otome being taken for granted if girls who do it wrong in lolita suddenly migrate to the other side. And I'm also afraid of mucking things up too if I decide to say, wear a JM/ETC with deathrocker style ripped fishnet/striped tights combo with a band shirt and no petti and it goes down in flames. Sorry for going off but it's got to get off my chest.

>>4767714
wat this whole thread is about personal things

>>4767693
Wtf? Another reason to add to my list of why I should keep up my tradition of not going to conventions ...
I don't understand that hugging thing at all. That's... disturbing.

>>4767766
If you read about the person who I quoted about being touched at places at cons and not wanting to be hugged. That's really more based on her personal choices and not really based on lolita. That's all

>CC OP
>AatP sales
>mental health & college
>goth vs egl
>lolitas & money
>and so much more

I love you guys.
We need more threads like this one.

Is livejournal STILL down?!

What happens if it stays like this? Where will we do our selling?

>>4767830
That latte.

>>4767826
Okay, but then you could apply: "I wish sellers shipped out my stuff timely" to the same logic. NOT LOLITA, NOT LOLITA, IT'S GENERIC!!

>>4767849
ebay

>>4767849
I can view pages, but I can't log in (making viewing pointless since LJ has been forcing me to log in to see nwe comments since the ddos attacks in the spring) or post. Meh.

I get really uncomfortable when people take pictures of me without asking first. A group of tourists came into my shop today and this woman just started blatantly snapping away at me while I was trying to work. I'm used to getting a bit of attention around tourist season and I'm usually happy to pose for a few pics if I'm not too busy but this was just weird and a bit rude imo.

>>4767849
HERE! :D
But in all seriousness, I'm so down for the Chess Chocolate OP to be auctioned here on /cgl/. That would be great.
Does anyone remember the Iron Gate auction thread that was on here back in, what was like, January or something? The iron gate wasn't being sold in a thread of course, but all of us on /cgl/ were watching the drama unfold on mbok. That thread was the highlight of my week. I believe it was... celga vs. random japanese girl? And when Celga's bid got cancelled (for lack of INTRODUCTION to the seller!)... I lol'd so hard

Anyway I currently have no gripes atm besides LJ being a bitch