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    84 KB Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)11:45 No.4726732  
    Lolita general advice thread, GO GO GO!
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)11:47 No.4726733
    Where can I find a petti that is good for classic but won't deflate into nothing after a few wears? The only pettis I've have that have kept their shape are the poofy cupcake ones.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)11:51 No.4726738
    >>4726733

    organdie is supposedly better than tulle when it comes to deflation. you just need to find one that's cut/gathered into an A-shape and doesn't have too many layers. no idea which brands offer ones like that though, sorry :/
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)11:53 No.4726747
    guys, where can I find ANY star night theater?
    It's my dream dress and I can't find it anywhere in blue... not on egl-comm, not on yahoo, not on mbok, closet child. where else can I serach?!

    also, should I buy it for 20k yen:
    http://www.mirukuma.com/tea13.jpg
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)11:54 No.4726749
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    Yeah my big thing is petticoats too. I've got enough inspiration to put together some good outfits, I think, but I am totally clueless on petticoats.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)11:55 No.4726753
    How do you people afford all this brand?
    >> Clever-chan !zmHdLNwTGI 07/16/11(Sat)11:58 No.4726760
    >>4726747
    Dude look back on the thread you posted on before and people linked to two of them. And one was on Mbok.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)11:59 No.4726763
    >>4726753
    It's called a job.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:00 No.4726767
    I've got a bit of a newbie question, Do you think it'd be doable/ alright to wear some sort of a wire frame under a petticoat to help it keep it's poofiness/shape? I know it's a stupid question, but I'm thinking it might make the petti look too angular or solid as opposed to poofy.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:01 No.4726772
    I'm trying to plan a meet with some girls in a different area that I am visiting. One girl offered to help me plan and then kind of blew me off. I talked to another girl, and she said she would help me plan, but it's been two weeks and she hasn't messaged me back. This trip is quickly approaching and I don't know what to do. Any advice?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:01 No.4726773
    >>4726753
    Work, save money, patient, sugar dady, sell/buy, 2nd hand...
    I'm a student and I can buy only one brand coordinate (max) by year.

    >>4726747
    Not a bad deal. But if you want the SNT, you may save your money.
    Post a WTB on egl_sale? Look auctions and be patient?
    >> Clever-chan !zmHdLNwTGI 07/16/11(Sat)12:03 No.4726778
    >>4726767
    No, don't use a wire frame. If you have a good enough petti, you won't need one anyway.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:03 No.4726779
    >>4726747
    I know where you can buy a black skirt and matching headbow. Would that be of interest?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:07 No.4726789
    >>4726767
    I would recommend against a wire frame unless you're going with a flexible pvc that won't pop upwards when you sit down (if it holds its shape, it will unless you move the frame behind your butt when you sit) and won't cut into your legs when you sit down. I don't think it's a good idea. Try to think about practicalty and what you'd be doing in the dress. My advice is to actually spend a bit on a petticoat. It's one of those things that feels really easy to skimp out on since no one sees it, but EVERYONE sees the difference between a good and shitty petticoat.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:10 No.4726795
    >>4726772
    >>4726772
    they probably don't want to meet up with you.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:16 No.4726806
    >>4726779
    I've seen it on a japanese site, and I'm looking for the blue one.. but thanks anyway.

    and I'm waiting for them to make that damn feedback page so I can't post a WTB!
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:21 No.4726826
    >>4726795
    This. They probably think you're annoying/ita.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:24 No.4726833
    >>4726747

    um...
    >>4726593
    >>4726633
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:28 No.4726840
    I wish I could find a girl who would model lolita outfits for me in exchange for me paying for it all...
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:29 No.4726845
    >>4726795
    >>4726826
    I don't understand. I posted on the community's livejournal and got a fair amount of response. If they don't want to meet up, I wish they would just tell me instead of stringing me along for weeks.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:31 No.4726850
    >>4726840
    You can't find a girl who wants to do that? I find that hard to believe. If someone approached me with that offer, I would do it, no problem.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:34 No.4726858
    >>4726850
    Well I don't hand out flyers or anything.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:35 No.4726864
    >>4726858
    So, you haven't asked anyone about it, but you're complaining that you can't find a girl to do it? I mean, people can't read your mind.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:36 No.4726865
    >>4726858
    post your email. i'm sure you'd get a reply. lolis are money hungry.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:37 No.4726868
    >>4726858
    Well, what kind of girl are you looking for? Someone local or just someone over the internet?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:38 No.4726869
    >>4726845
    What community? If you don't mind telling.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:38 No.4726871
    >>4726868
    Local.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:39 No.4726874
    >>4726871
    Then you'll have to be more assertive.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:40 No.4726876
    >>4726874
    I'm just too beta. Pay me no mind.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:42 No.4726884
    >>4726869
    I'm not really comfortable saying on /cgl/, honestly. I don't want these girls to think I'm pissed at them or anything. I understand that people get busy and have other things to do than talk to some random on the internet.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:43 No.4726885
    >>4726876
    Make a sock account on LJ and post to your local community? You'll probably get some shit for it, but if someone is really interested, they can PM you.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:47 No.4726894
    >>4726885
    Will investigate that, thanks.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)12:51 No.4726912
    >>4726894
    No problem :) If I was in your local comm and wasn't overweight, I'd do it.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)13:03 No.4726944
    >>4726912
    Is tumblr similar?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)13:09 No.4726958
    >>4726944
    Is tumblr similar to what? LJ? No. If you want to find local lolitas, I think you're going to have to go on Livejournal.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)13:17 No.4726974
    >>4726958
    I just made a Livejournal. I'll have to get used to navigating it.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:10 No.4727104
    >>4726772

    Are you the girl visiting So. Cal? If so I have been wondering about why no updates on days/ times for a meet.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:06 No.4727274
    guys, I've seen a dress on yahoo starting from 15,800yen and buy it now 23000
    I put a bid, and the auction is over in 18.7 20:30 which means, tomorrow. I'm the only one to bid.
    do you think I have a chance to win?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:12 No.4727287
    >>4727274
    No.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:15 No.4727300
    I'm new to lolita, and one of my off-brand blouses is sheer enough that you can see a black tattoo I have on my back pretty clearly if I wear a wig/my hair up whatsoever.

    Should I use coverups or just leave it be, since it's a 1x1 inch tribal and on my back anyway?

    (It's only only short sleeved blouse, and I live in the south, so I wear it almost any time I wear my JSK)
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:19 No.4727311
    >>4727287

    ):
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:21 No.4727320
    >>4726733


    seriously this. http://www.sockdreams.com/products/accessories/petticoats/layered-tulle-petticoat
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:26 No.4727328
    >>4726974
    where are you located? shit, i'd do it.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:31 No.4727340
    >>4727328
    Not near anyone here.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:35 No.4727352
    >>4727340
    what is that supposed to mean

    you're kidding yourself if you don't think a good number of lolitas frequent /cgl/, and i guarantee you the ones who are willing to do it are the ones that come here.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:35 No.4727354
    >>4727320
    This one, and not the longer one sockdreams carries?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:42 No.4727374
    >>4727352
    I don't doubt that. I just doubt any seaguls live near me.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:49 No.4727392
    >>4727374
    Why not try? Like the other person said, you have a better chance of finding someone here.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:52 No.4727406
    >>4727300
    I'd say just leave it be. It's on your back anyways, and it's not that big, so who cares? You wouldn't want to get make up rubbed off onto your blouse either. If anyone has a problem with that, it's their problem, not yours.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)16:03 No.4727436
    Anyone know what a good time to try to post to the sale comm is? It takes the mods so long to get things up that my posts always get pushed to the second page really quickly, so I don't think anyone really sees them...
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)16:54 No.4727565
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    Okay, so I'm really new to lolita and I'm terrified of being ita.

    Is the pic acceptable? I mean, is it okay to mix "normal" clothes with lolita if it has the same sort of elegance?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)16:57 No.4727577
    >>4727565
    I think this looks amazing! I love the brown leather with the blue.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:02 No.4727594
    >>4727577

    Thank you. I hope it doesn't come off as steam punk thanks to the brown. For some reason anything with brown = steampunk these days.

    Any blogs geared to help new lolitas?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:08 No.4727606
    >>4727565
    That looks adorable.
    Worst case scenario you'll get some girls complaining that it's not strictly lolita and that you shouldn't call it such (and that you'll need a wig, but fuck that). In my experience, the word "ita" is only used for things with a bad design (too many details, or too heavily inspired by anime) and cheap materials. It's usually associated with weeaboos who see it as a costume or mallgoths who got their definition of 'lolita' from Hot Topic.
    Anyone who calls that outfit ita is crazy. I'd happily wear that to a meetup.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:14 No.4727616
    >>4727374

    Dude, just fucking say what state your in. Its obvious you don't ACTUALLY want to do this or you'd at least offer that much.

    I'm in Ohio, idgaf.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:37 No.4727874
    >>4727104
    No, but I hope she isn't having the same problems.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:56 No.4727930
    >>4727374

    have you seen how many girls are interested just by you posting that? there's a lot of demand for something like that.

    I'm in Chicago, for instance.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:23 No.4728041
    >>4727374
    Seriously, just a general location will do.
    Southern Ontario here.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:32 No.4728085
    Hi guys.
    I wonder if there are lolis in Italy.
    I'm going on a Versailles concert in Italy, and I thought about wearing lolita but would it be little strange? (actually I thought about cosplay but it would be hard to move in a 10 inch platform).
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:36 No.4728096
    >>4728085
    The lolita community in Italy seems really small. I've heard it's because the mail system makes importing a pain, but I have no idea how true that is.

    Maybe try posting to EGL? I don't see an Italian community listed in the master list and nothing comes up via google.

    Personally, I don't see anything wrong with your desire to dress up. They're a pretty flashy band.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:36 No.4728097
    >>4727565
    Wear did you get that cardigan?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:42 No.4728122
    What do you all think is going to happen to the comm_sales re-sale rates in light of recent events?

    With the recent blow to BtSSBs reputation, lolis being unable to move items in comm_sales posts, and with AP limiting SS reservations, do you think re-sale prices are likely to trend down in the coming months?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:45 No.4728142
    >>4728122
    it's like I'm playing EVE
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:51 No.4728181
    >>4728122

    Honestly, anyone who actually took that girl seriously enough to consider it a blow to Baby's reputation is a fucking idiot. Especially if you honestly think that Baby's response was uncalled for. She threatened THEM first then got all haughty when they talked about suing them for slander - which is exactly what she threatened to do.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:55 No.4728209
    >>4728181
    Posting a review online is not slander. Jesus Christ.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)22:19 No.4728834
    >>4728085
    Not strange at all since Versailles has modeled some rori before. Though it might cause some discomfort since it's probably going to be a stuffy venue based on previous concert reports.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)23:09 No.4729001
    >>4728122
    > lolis being unable to move items in comm_sales posts
    wait...what does this mean?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)23:09 No.4729002
    >>4728181
    What? She didn't threaten to sue Baby?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)23:15 No.4729016
    >>4729002
    If we're talking about the shoes... she never threatened to sue BABY.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)00:57 No.4729454
    >>4729001

    I think she means "move" as in "to sell"
    >> P-chan !!Z1tJshWFdcy 07/17/11(Sun)02:01 No.4729803
    >>4728122
    I think prices will start dropping soon. Because of the latest incidents from brands (BTSSB shoe fiasco, AP reserve drama), people will start shying away from them. You can already see it happening. Prices for AP and BTSSB will start dropping.

    I believe prices for brands like IW, MM, and Meta will start rising soon. People are gravitating towards these brands and lining up to support them because of their stellar customer service and consistent quality. Combined with the fact that classic and toned-down sweet styles are becoming more popular now, I can see these brands moving to the fore of the fashion and becoming *the* brands to have, rather than BTSSB or AP.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)02:21 No.4729891
    >>4729803
    I really don't think AP's new policy is going to make the prices lower because the demand for AP is still high and this just increases the brand's exclusivity. Now, those that DO acquire the pieces are going to be able to sell it on the sales_comm for a much higher price than what they paid for it.

    Can't say much about BtSSB though--I think assuming people are going to stop purchasing from them is a little hasty.
    >> P-chan !!Z1tJshWFdcy 07/17/11(Sun)02:37 No.4729958
    >>4729891
    That would be the case if this was the Japanese market; however, replicas are becoming a more accepted option in the West. Now that AP prints are getting so difficult to obtain, a lot of die-hard fans are put off the brand, as are casual fans who may want a piece for retail price or less. It's also a deterrent to new fans who may not want to "do battle" in order to get a piece.

    And I'm not saying people will stop buying from BTSSB, or even AP, altogether; however, these incidents will weaken the desire to support them.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)02:49 No.4730029
    >>4727320
    That's a shit looking petti, there's no poof!
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)02:54 No.4730048
    >>4729958
    I think a lot more people will want AP now because it's even harder to get which ups the exclusive special snowflake appeal
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)03:07 No.4730105
    >>4729891
    I agree with you. People thinking of all these new statistics are being a bit hasty.

    Brand shoes never had much of a rep so that Baby review only scared a few people who never shopped at Baby

    AP is popular as fuck. Replicas are only gaining popularity with those who won't pay for brand. Most current brand users won't downgrade to shit-tier quality. New reservation rules make re-sale rise because people who couldn't get the dress still want it.

    VM, MM, and IW overall still make the same clothes they did five years ago. They're good yeah, but even though people say people are moving from sweet to classic, that's not really showing.

    Mostly, very little of AP is OTT sweet. AP puts out a huge variety of clothes from casual, to old-school, to sweet, from vibrant colors and pastels. They're actually able to decide on what they put out the following year from how well certain items sell the previous year.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)03:14 No.4730136
    Posted this in the wrong thread.

    So I made a really stupid mistake and washed Fantasic Dolly in White in hot water (I've done it in cold plenty of times) and the thing turned an awful dingy grey-pink color. I soaked it in OxyClean overnight and it turned to offwhite. It is MUCH less noticeable, but I can still see a difference. In addition, while it was soaking the black lace touched a white part of the skirt and left a noticeable mark. I fully realize I'm an idiot and should have just dry-cleaned it in the first place, but what should I do now? More soaking in OxyClean? Take it to a cleaner for their opinion? I'm VERY hesitant to try color safe bleach, but would that help? I'm really pissed about the lace mark, but if I can just get it back to the original color, I'll be happy.

    The waist/print has black bits in it and I don't want to fade that too much.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)03:26 No.4730185
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    >>4730029
    It's really not that bad, but I bought from ebay for a lower price (even better to find it at post-Halloween sales since it's Leg Avenue). It's a bit scratchy, but it hasn't deflated after 7 months of using it. It's good for casual and lightweight materials. Not recommended for taller ladies or longer skirts/dresses.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)10:45 No.4730757
    >>4729002
    No, not at all. She said that she would be posting a review about her experience with Baby, and they threatened to sue her.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)10:56 No.4730788
    >>4730136
    Don't soak. Spot clean with a pre-wash stain remover like Vanish, then hand wash as usual.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)11:05 No.4730804
    >>4726772 here
    I still haven't received a response, and my friend who was also going to come to the meet wants me to post on the community's livejournal again. I don't know what to say without sounding like a bitch, though. Advice?
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)12:15 No.4731043
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    >>4730804
    Tough shit, no one wants to meet you. Plan a meet at a place you will enjoy. If no one shows up then have a good time with a friend on vacation. Not that hard.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)12:27 No.4731094
    >>4731043
    When I posted on their comm the first time, I got about 20 responses from people who were interested in coming on the date I posted. One girl offered to help me plan the meet, but then she backed out. I'm just trying to find someone to help me plan the meet, because I don't know the area.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)13:19 No.4731220
    >>4731094
    They were just being nice. No one actually wants to hang out with you.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)13:24 No.4731230
    I was at a store in Nashville yesterday called "Happy Japan" and I came across some Bodyline dresses.

    I'm not into lolita but my boyfriend practically cried and said I absolutely have to get one.

    I can't say I identify any of them but they were $70, $90 and $150 in order of fanciness. I have no idea how expensive Bodyline is including shipping and whatnot so I don't know if I should buy some online or not.

    Also, I tried one on and it fit me great, but I couldn't discern what size it was-- the tag just said F.

    Should I buy them online instead, and if so, what size is F?
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)13:26 No.4731237
    >>4731230
    Bodyline shipping is no longer a flat $20. Depending on the dress, you would probably be better off buying online. Have you tried going to their online store and see what they are going for?
    >> Fuko !YqpqfV8h6U 07/17/11(Sun)13:28 No.4731240
    >>4731230
    You can get them for so much cheaper on the site when BL has sales! D: Just do an order with someone else and split shipping.
    >> itaqueen !!60RF7p3/Emf 07/17/11(Sun)13:33 No.4731253
    >>4731230
    Size F is Freesize/One size fits all.
    And those are horrifically overpriced, omg.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)13:39 No.4731279
    >>4730788

    The rest of the skirt is still off color, though.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)13:41 No.4731287
    >>4731279
    just take it to a professional cleaner. you'll spend more time and money trying to figure it out on your own, and possibly ruin the dress in the process.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)13:59 No.4731363
    >>4731230

    those do sound overpriced, even factoring in shipping.

    if you're just buying one dress, shipping is 21 dollars, I think. a skirt's shipping is 19 dollars.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)14:02 No.4731380
    >>4731253
    >>4731363
    you're both missing the point.

    if the boyfriend likes the dress so much, he should be willing to pay for it.
    >> Anonymouse !!9JVkocjcRee 07/17/11(Sun)14:10 No.4731416
    >>4726840

    Is it really trashy of me to say if someone offered me that job I'd hit it like the fist of Thor? I mean, all lolis SAY they'd do something like that, but would they? Someone told me Unseelie Allure used to sell her worn dresses to old perverts and she was shunned for it. :/
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)14:14 No.4731438
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    >>4731416
    shun the unbeliever! SHUUUUN.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)14:15 No.4731443
    >>4731416
    Nah. That wasn't why she was shunned. She was shunned because of quite a few factors.

    The first one was that she used softcore porn photos of herself naked and wrapped in a dress when selling it as "new with tags". The next one was her "I'm pro-ana, thus I'm better than youuuu! ~*fingerwigglez*~" posting. The next was her lack of common sense. Then it was her posting softcore porn of herself on various lolita forums. Then it was posting photos of girls from a meet-up on a fetish site to try and get money out of the people there (many of them were under 18 and she posted their location).

    I've also heard rumors that she drugged a girl in the local community (or that said girl was drugged by someone else at the party) and photographed her naked at a party.

    Girl has all kinds of unsavory behavior. Selling her shoes/dresses/socks to old men is hardly the worst of it.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)14:16 No.4731448
    >>4731438
    NONBELIEVER
    WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?!
    >> Anonymouse !!9JVkocjcRee 07/17/11(Sun)14:17 No.4731456
    >>4731443
    Holy shitsauce, I didn't hear about any of that. Shun well deserved in that case.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)14:23 No.4731473
    >>4731456
    The one that caused the biggest stink was the fetish site posting. She arranged a photoshoot with photog friends and the Long Island lolitas. She then took those photos and posted them on a Doller/Dollification site, saying that they were all "pretty little dollies" looking for a "new owner" to "give them the polishing they deserved!"

    Most of the girls in the photos were under 18. None of them knew she had posted it until they were informed of it by someone else. Unseelie was asked to take the photos down. She never did so they contacted a moderator of the forum who removed the photos from the post.

    A few of the morons on LI still "support" her (like Shadow), but most of the New York community refuses to have anything to do with her.
    >> Anonymouse !!9JVkocjcRee 07/17/11(Sun)14:27 No.4731486
    >>4731473
    Holy freaking shit, those poor girls. Nothing happened because of it, did it? U_A has clearly gone wrong in the mindtank.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)14:30 No.4731502
    >>4731486
    Nothing "happened" in that none of the girls were harassed or anything, no. She posted their location, but the site members are harmless people engaging in a fetish. It's not like they're a bunch of serial killers out for fresh victims.

    The fact that she posted them without permission and that many of them are underaged is where the problem can be found. It's a privacy issue and a legality issue, not *completely* a safety issue.

    In any case, she's always been off. She's also always hopped from one fetish scene to another trying to score quick money. That's why she started her "financial domme" racket. She sucks at it, but there's a market and she's trying to shoehorn herself into it.

    She also joined up with Cosplay Deviants for a few shoots. So. Not like she's high-class or high-quality.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)14:33 No.4731511
    >>4731416
    Ok well what if the deal is he buys the outfits for you to own, and you model them for him while he jerks off?
    >> Anonymouse !!9JVkocjcRee 07/17/11(Sun)14:37 No.4731516
    >>4731502
    Well no, I didn't mean they were all psychopaths, I just meant if the girls were posted, how do the community members know they didn't give consent? They might think the girls WANTED to be posted and contact them.

    >>4731511
    As long as I don't have to touch anything or get anything on me, I'm cool with that. If I can't help out a guy who finds it hard to get his jollies for a couple of minutes in exchange for something I will treasure for years, well, what kind of world do we live in. But you gotta draw a line somewhere, I'd never do anything that felt like prostitution, like anything that includes nudity or contact.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)14:42 No.4731527
    >>4731516
    I would so hire you.
    >> Anonymouse !!9JVkocjcRee 07/17/11(Sun)14:45 No.4731536
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    >>4731527
    Fucking do it. Pic related.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)14:48 No.4731544
    >>4731516
    The girls were contacted about it when it was first found. They had had no idea about her posting it.

    ... why would the majority of the community drop her ass after that incident if they'd given her permission to post? She was also posting "random" photos from blogs, like Shibahime's.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)14:50 No.4731546
    >>4731527
    >>4731536
    in b4 buyer's remorse. on both sides.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)14:52 No.4731549
    >>4731546
    Sigh. You're probably right.
    I'd get to jerk off with a lolita right in front of me but would it be worth the money at the end of the day?
    >> Anonymouse !!9JVkocjcRee 07/17/11(Sun)14:53 No.4731550
    >>4731544
    Ffffffffffffff I meant the people on the fetish community website, not the lolis. THEY might think the girls wanted them to contact them. If that makes sense.

    >>4731546
    Naw, just on one side when employers finds out I'm 5'3, size 10, outstandingly average and generally in no way a turn on.
    >> Anonymouse !!9JVkocjcRee 07/17/11(Sun)14:54 No.4731554
    >>4731549
    If you're the same guy that was here earlier in the post, that's why they were all asking what you want out of it. I mean, do you want a quick jerk off or a pet lolita?
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)14:55 No.4731556
    >>4731550
    Ooooh. I gotcha now. Yes. I misunderstood. That is a problem. None of the girls were contacted by site members, though. At least, not that I heard. The site moderators were pretty quick to remove the photos when they were approached about it.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)14:57 No.4731561
    >>4731554
    Both..
    >> Anonymouse !!9JVkocjcRee 07/17/11(Sun)15:01 No.4731570
    >>4731561
    Well then I'd say yes. Personally I'd rather be a pet than a quick jerk off, I'm a people person, I like to learn what makes people tick and I'd feel a lot less whoreish if I had some form of friendship with my. Er. 'Sponsor'? It's difficult to know how you could advertise for that kind of thing. Where ARE you from? Eg., America would be way easier, there's probably a million sites for stuff like that. If you're UK like me, it's a smaller comm so more difficult to not end up an Unseelie mess.
    I'm just sayin'.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)15:02 No.4731573
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    I bought this cutsew and think it's adorable. But it is the ITCHIEST. MF'ER. EVER.

    Is there a way I can change that? The itchy kace is sewn into the hem and I wouldn't know how to re-hem it if I ripped it out.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)15:48 No.4731685
    This is a weird question, but does Maki walk with kind of a hunch, or have strange posture at all?
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)15:53 No.4731694
    How do I dress to flatter a large bust in Lolita? I've experimented with it a lot and have found a few things that seem to help, but I'm wondering if anyone else has any pointers.

    I have a 28" waist so I'm able to fit a lot of brand skirts, but I have a 40" bust. Finding ANY kind of cutsew/top that fits the lolita aesthetic is extremely difficult and to fit into my brand JSKs I have to wear a sports bra and even then I get boob loaf. I'm working on losing weight but even losing another 3" off my bust would still put me at the max bust for a lot of pieces.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:07 No.4731762
    >>4731573

    I have a different Bodyline cutsew with itchy lace, but I noticed the lace got less itchy after wearing it a few times. I kinda want to try throwing it in the wash but I'm afraid the screenprint will goop up and that'll be the end of my shirt.

    I suppose if I wash it on cold and let it air-dry it would be fine.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:10 No.4731774
    >>4731550

    aw, well if you would turn it down, I'll take it. 5'2" and a size 10 1/2 according to wikipedia. fucking vanity sizing, I'd never be able to rely on that measurement. When I buy clothes I generally wear a size 4.

    sage for talking about myself and nothing related to the topic.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:11 No.4731775
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    >>4731762

    >worried about ruining BodyLine
    >as if you couldn't cheaply replace it
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:12 No.4731781
    >>4731775

    god forbid some people like to take care of everything they own, regardless of how inexpensive it was. Some folks don't like to be wasteful.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:15 No.4731791
    So, uh, I sort of want to wear a period corset under lolita. Would that be too costumey? Or would just a simple hourglass shaped modern corset be more appropriate?
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:15 No.4731792
    >>4731781

    Its fucking BodyLine. Thats like worrying about scuffing the shoes you got from Walmart. They aren't Nike or anything worthwhile so you just don't do it. Even poorfags don't worry about ruining their Walmart bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:17 No.4731801
    >>4731781
    Bullshit, if you gave any two fucks about being "wasteful" you wouldn't be into Lolita, at all.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:17 No.4731802
    >>4731694

    Try

    >>4731791

    ?

    Don't Edwardian corsets squish boobs down?
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:18 No.4731805
    >>4731792

    I don't see why someone wouldn't take care of everything they own regardless of where it came from. I honestly can't wrap my head around that.

    sounds like you've been blessed to never have to worry about money. kudos!
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:19 No.4731807
    >>4731801

    you have a point. It's an expensive hobby, but I allot a certain budget for it because it's something I love and I know I'll regret it if I don't indulge in it while I'm young. I still try to be careful financially and when I'm struggling I don't buy any lolita.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:20 No.4731808
    >>4731802

    Edwardian ones don't, no. they do the s-curve thing.

    I think as long as the sillhouette made by the corset wasn't too obvious or cartoony, it would be fine. you have to walk a delicate balance.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:20 No.4731809
    >>4731805

    Wrongo, bitcho.

    Growing up, everything I had was from the goddamn second hand store. The whole point of buying cheaply is so it wont be a big deal if it gets ruined.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:22 No.4731813
    >>4731809

    so if you grew up poor, why aren't you concerned with taking care of everything you own?

    I'm sorry, this isn't making any sense to me.
    if you grow up with nothing, don't you take care of what you do have? regardless of how inexpensive it was?
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:23 No.4731818
    >>4731802
    I've worn corsets with Lolita before and I don't like the way it looks. I occasionally get accused of shopping my waist to look smaller even without a corset, heh.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:25 No.4731828
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    >>4731808

    This is one of the corsets I was thinking of. I think it follows a natural curve more than other corsets I've looked at. Some of the period ones do look too costumey for me to consider.

    I've never had a lolita dress before, so I'm not sure how easy they are to tailor. Would it be possible to take in the waist by a few inches on most dresses?
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:28 No.4731833
    >>4731813

    No, it showed me that cheap stuff doesn't matter. The only thing that DOES matter are things of worth. Not to say I'm some rich bitch who spends $100's on just jeans - lolita is the one outlet I splurge on because its worth it to me. I don't own any BodyLine and don't plan to ever own any. But no, all my other stuff, what I got from Walmart and Kmart and such, no, I don't give a crap about it. Its just clothes that keep me from being arrested for indecent exposure and if they get stained or ripped I just throw them out without any theatrics because they're inconsequential.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:30 No.4731846
    >>4731833
    That's probably why you're poor.

    You shouldn't throw anything away like that. It's wasteful. Only welfare queens waste that much.

    Sage for off topic, and I really don't care about your special snowflake abloobloo poor me crap.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:36 No.4731868
    >>4731833

    interesting. I never looked at it from that perspective before.

    I think quality is important, but you waste a lot of money not taking care of what you've already got and spending 10 dollars here, 13 there replacing each item. It's a slow, easily forgettable way to hemorrhage money and take away from what you could be saving to buy lolita or higher quality clothing.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:36 No.4731869
    Has anyone had any success in making an a-line petti that doesn't deflate?
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:37 No.4731873
    >>4731846

    Learn to read, faggot.

    I'm not poor any more. Chances are, I own more brand then you so kindly stfu. : D
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:39 No.4731885
    >>4731833

    You might want to start saving your receipts and breaking down exactly how much you spend on replacing cheap stuff. Sure, it might feel like you're saving money, but if you're having to replace clothes every month, that could be like $100 a month wasted. I'd rather just save that wasted $1,200 and take care of my stuff.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:40 No.4731890
    >>4731873

    Lol brandwhores.

    Whatever inflates your epeen. Keep on being wasteful and air-headed.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:43 No.4731898
    How about we go back to talking about lolita and not this off topic crap?
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:43 No.4731902
    >>4731775
    I have the money to replace Bodyline things, but sometimes they sell out and I can't find another on sales comm (and Bodyline rarely restocks). So, I will be careful with the one I have.

    If it was in stock I would probably just buy another though, if the one got messed up.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:47 No.4731915
    >>4731898

    seconded, but you know how easy it is to throw a lolita thread rehashing the same three topics over and over again.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:49 No.4731930
    >>4731573
    Stitch softer fabric over the lace inside?
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)16:50 No.4731935
    >>4731890

    Its not about inflating anything. YOU'RE the one who had an issue with the conversation I was having with a different girl and decided to butt your head in and accuse me of being poor when, if you could comprehend anything around you, you'd have clearly read the "I was poor all growing up". Which is in the past tense. Implying its not the current situation.

    Really, maybe instead of hanging out on /cgl/ you should go back to school because from what you've shown me thus far, you don't seem to be very good with reading comprehension.

    Also, to the other person, I worked really hard to get to where I am and to have as much money as I do. I'll spend it however I want, even if that means buying every thing I can find with Hello Kitty on it. That aside though, you seem to be under the impression that I'm some sort of slob who ruins her clothes in a months time! Not caring about them hardly means that I go around spilling oil and BBQ sauce on everything I own. Besides, the only time I wear my cheap clothes is during summer because its way too hot here for lolita which I wear during the cooler months.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)17:05 No.4732005
    >>4731935
    I don't see why you're so desperate to justify your posts on an image board. Maybe it's because you're still poor and feel the need to prove yourself.
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)17:19 No.4732073
    >>4731935
    Gurl, you need to take your frilly ass off your chair and go gaze lovingly at all your nice burando, and calm down.
    no one cares but you
    the end
    >> Anonymous 07/17/11(Sun)19:14 No.4732615
    >>4731230
    AVOID AVOID Happy Japan at all costs. They tried to scam me out of hundreds of dollars.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)05:13 No.4735064
    i'm starting to reconsider my wanting to try out the loli lifestyle because of these posts. excuse my lack of expertise, but is it really that important to wear brand? i don't want to enter college and still deal with witches who act like middle schoolers over such petty "issues."
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)05:21 No.4735074
    >>4735064
    No it is not important to own brand, but it is important to look good. In my experience most people who whine about being excluded by the "brandwhores" are butthurt people who look like shit cause they refuse to put enough effort into their appearance. Quality MATTERS in lolita. Details matter. Appearance matters. I don't care if people wear brand or handmade or taobao and I don't care if people are skinny or fat or short or tall. But if your clothes are shitty quality, you are in denial about needing make-up or hair styling, and you skip a ton of essential elements just cause you can't bother and just call it casual lolita ("no petti cos casual, no socks or blouse cos it's hot, couldn't bother with my hair lol") well then you will probably not look very good in lolita.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)05:34 No.4735087
    >>4735074
    This.
    I got into lolita when I first came across the Gothic & Lolita Bibles. I was in awe. This is my ideal that I strive to work towards in terms of fashion. Yes I know they are models and yes I know they are shooped. But I am talking more about the fashion ideal. I am not saying that every outfit can look as if it's from a brand photoshoot, but this ideal of coordination, attention to detail and especially the otherworldly or fantastical and surreal elements are what I dream of. I usually save for brand, because I know I will never be skilled enough to make anything as good (and what with my current job, I don't have the time to practice more and improve). But that doesn't mean that it cannot be done with handmade clothes. But the standards are the same for me. I will admire a lolita who aspires to such an ideal, no matter where her clothes come from.

    To give some examples of people whose usernames I remember, take Aourai. Her handmade looks hideous to me. They do not look lolita, despite having the shape. A bell-shape and some lace mean nothing if the garment doesn't look high quality. A cheap cupcake print won't cut it. And on the other end, take Xshappiradollx. Not sure if she makes her own stuff, but she makes accessories at least and she wears handmade (by her bf?). She always looks like an IW model to me whether she is in brand, or thrfted, or handmade. So what matters is the effort and the ideal and standard you aspire to imho.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)05:36 No.4735089
    >>4735074
    hrmm, i see. that makes more sense to me than demeaning someone because their clothing is cheap, even if they still look nice. last question, make up isn't required is it? can one get away with just mascara, because i absolute abhor the products?
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)05:44 No.4735095
    >>4735089
    To be frank, no I don't think most people can get away with no make up. Does your skin look flawless or near enough? And not just in the mirror, but in pictures too? Most lolita clothes look overwhelming when the face and the hair are underdone. I know some girls will say "enjoy ruining your skin with make up" yadda yadda, but in today's world, there is no need for that. There are a ton of products that are high quality, use pure ingredients, exclude comedogenic substances and irritants and all that. And if you follow a good skincare routine, your skin should stay healthy even with everyday make up use.

    No one is forcing you to wear make up, but I have never seen any loli go without and look very good.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)05:45 No.4735098
    >>4735089

    It depends on what look you're going for, and how naturally beautiful and flawless you are. If you have geniunely excellent skin with next to no blemishes, and naturally big, pretty eyes, then perhaps you can get away with just mascara. Minimal makeup can look, especially if you're naturally endowed with beauty, and you really don't need much to make a big difference to your look.

    But be honest with yourself. If you have pimples, eye circles, or could do with a little augmenting in the beauty department in general, makeup is pretty much an essential. If you're going to put so much effort into your co-ordination and hair, but not wear any makeup, it can look a little off.

    I'm sure you can find nice makeup products that you don't abhor. Try looking into mineral foundation or other natural products if you're worried about chemicals.

    Generally, I think simple classic lolita styles and perhaps old-school sweet can get away with much less makeup than OTT sweet or gothic.

    Overall, the idea of lolita is to look doll-like and polished, and at least some makeup is an essential to this.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)05:48 No.4735102
    >>4731694
    I have the same measurements as you, but I have broad shoulders so the difference doesn't appear all that dramatic.

    I sold all the JSKs I had long ago, and just go with skirts and blouses. In the blouses department again I've long ago stopped buying brand blouses, I just wear good looking offbrand blouses and depending on the cut, maybe a cutsew.

    Dont' bother wearing minimizing bras, they g ive you horrible boobloaf. Try to get bras that advertise "maximum cleavage" because that's where brands allow for bust ease and you'll have less chance of boobloaf.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)05:51 No.4735103
    >>4735089
    and this is where it starts getting complicated.... not targeting you specifically cause I don't know you obs, but this is the problem with cutting corners. Lolis start cutting from everywhere. It's ok to skip a blouse occasionally, and it's ok to wear little make up, and it's ok to not wear a wig.... but when you start cutting corners from ~everything~ it will eventually show. Like, if your dress is made out of cheap materials, you better not skimp on anything else and try to compensate for it by looking extra pretty and accessorising nicely. But if your dress is made out of cheap materials and then you decide you don't need this and that either, and you don't need make up, and your natural hair is blieh.... the result won't be good, end of story. beware of cutting corners, that's all I have to say. At the end of the day, lolita is a luxury fashion, an elaborate fashion, a fashion that focuses on lush materials and textures and a fashion that focuses on looking extraordinary and polished.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)05:54 No.4735107
    >>4735103
    >beware of cutting corners, that's all I have to say

    and

    >>4735098
    >But be honest with yourself

    A combo of these two is my answer.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)06:03 No.4735113
    it's not about the chemicals at all, i'm just genuinely frightened i'll end up like most girls who can't look at themselves, or even leave the house, without makeup. i don't want to start depending on it. but thank you all, really. good advice for an aspiring lolita. :3 i promise to put it to good use once i begin dressing the fashion.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)06:09 No.4735121
    >>4735113
    Why would you start depending on it? Particularly if you're already averse to the idea. Anybody who was going to be inclined to have that sort of delusion would have caught hold of it at the earliest possible opportunity, IMO.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)07:53 No.4735212
    Is this site okay? http://www.fanplusfriend.com/
    Quality okay? Trustworthy?
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)07:54 No.4735215
    >>4735212

    it's hit or miss, really. They're not scammers, but they often end up sending girls clothes that are too big even if they give them their actual body measurements.

    it's like they think all westerners are MASSIVE.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)08:07 No.4735227
    >>4735121

    this; I don't think you have to worry about that. I was a bit like you with makeup when I was a teenager. I thought I was better than the "preps" who wore makeup and did their hair every day. I didn't realize until later that my long, blunt hair and 5-hours of sleep a night made me look tired and bleh. a little concealer would have helped me a lot in high school! I didn't start wearing makeup regularly until I was 19 years old.

    My skin is very clear and I have big, round eyes, so there are still plenty of days I go without makeup, but I understand better now how all the little things can make a person's look come together.

    sorry if that seems a little incoherent or pointless, I didn't get a lot of sleep last night. concealer to the rescue!
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)12:58 No.4735970
    >>4735113
    Personally I don't wear make-up. I've tried it a couple times and don't like it. When I looked in the mirror it was like I'm not even seeing myself, which means no one else it. I'd rather be judged a little harder for the flaws in my skin rather than praised for how well I can hide it.

    To note though, I have pretty good skin and my glasses define my eyes. I get some acne and oiliness, but rarely anything major. I'm 24 too, stopped caring about people judging me on the small things a while ago.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)13:07 No.4736002
    >>4735970
    I think it's great that you don't care what others think, but yeah... most people will notice teh lack of make up. In my opinion, especially if you have acne and oily skin, make up is a MUST with lolita, and unless someone has flawless skin without make up, it does affect the whole look of lolita. Wearing make up isn't just about hiding yourself, it's about perfecting and complementing what you already have and balancing your outfit out. Some girls like to go without bra cause they think it's unnatural and others prefer not to shave their legs. These are valid choices, but with a fashion that aims at doll-like perfection, people who make these choices shouldn't expect universal acceptance....
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)13:17 No.4736031
    Uhm, I want to buy a ring from AP, the acrylic kind. But will the rings fit my fingers? I'm like a size 7-9 I think...
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)13:20 No.4736044
    >>4736031
    It should. I'm a 6.5 and AP's rings are a little big on me.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)13:21 No.4736047
    I don't wear foundation because when I do my skin gets all flaky. Its very upsetting because I use moisturizer after I wash my face and I'd like to hide my freckles but I can't because powders and liquids alike make my skin look like a flaky dry mess. I guess its not too big a deal because aside from the freckles I have a very clear complexion - no oil, no acne, no blemishes but my cheeks are naturally rosy. Plus I'm pale so. lol

    Other then that I use every thing else a normal girl wears makeup wise, my face just doesn't have that matte look thanks to no foundation. : T
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)13:22 No.4736050
    >>4736031
    they're adjustable brah
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)13:23 No.4736053
    >>4736047
    use powder makeup, like Bare Minerals
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)13:25 No.4736058
    >>4736053

    I've tried powders, not Bare Minerals specifically but a few different sorts. Its always the same result.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)13:29 No.4736075
    >>4736047
    My skin breaks out like crazy with even the lightest foundation so I can't wear it, either. I find that a little bit of rice powder really helps tone down the shine without irritating my skin.
    >> ai-honey !eEQ3LJoZmM 07/18/11(Mon)13:29 No.4736081
    >>4736058
    Have you tried using a primer before you use a powder/foundation? That'd probably stop flakeyness.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)13:31 No.4736083
    >>4736047
    I used to have the same problem for years and now I have finally solved it, but it took a lot of patience and trial and error. The perpetrator was my cleansing routine as it turned out and less my make up routine (even though my skin looked ok after cleaning and only became flaky and dry after make up). I can tell you exactly what I did, and maybe you can give it a try and see if it helps:
    1. Threw out all cleansing foams, wipes etc.
    2. Replaced with a very mild lotion (Avene) which is so mild that it's even ok to be left on the skin.
    3. Changed the way I cleansed: I rub the lotion all over my face and then use a muslin face cloth soaked with hot water (I got the cloths from Liz Earle). The cloths are amazing cause they really clean all traces of make up and exfoliate at the same time
    4. Threw out all toners. Toners are bitches on dry, flaky skin. I replaced them with Avene Thermal water spray, but if I am on a budget, I just use some rice water (water where rice has been rinsed).
    5. Moisturize
    6. Never, ever sleep in make up or use these cleansing wipes just for convenience's sake. Also, cleanse both morning and night (with a clean cloth each time - I throw these in the washing machine for cleaning)
    7. Avoid cleansing and then spending ages in the shower or bath with unmoisturized skin. It will dry you out even more.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)13:34 No.4736094
    >>4736083

    Ack. 7 might actually be my problem. I do all my shit in the shower then just hang out for a while, usually until the water goes cold, hahaha. I'll try changing that and see if that helps then try the other stuff if it doesn't - thanks so much for the advice!
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)13:50 No.4736148
    >>4736002
    Like I said, I don't mind if people judged me some on not having flawless skin. When I say oily, it's just sometimes on my nose, with pimples, it's very minor. I don't go for the full on doll look. I'm fine with just dressing up to look nice. If someone decides to post me on /cgl/ for not having make-up that's fine, I highly doubt 10% of the audience has better skin.

    Though I will say, If there's products for spot touch-up (just hide the oily nose and pimples) with-out having to put foundation and powder on my whole face, I'd like to hear it.

    Oh, also my boyfriend hates make-up and his opinion weighs more than the people on the internet.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)14:23 No.4736306
    >>4736050
    >>4736044
    Tite! Thank you!
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)14:42 No.4736365
    >>4736148

    When men say they hate make up, they're usually under the assumption that all make up = drag queen face. Boys are idiots when it comes to that shit. I've had guy friends be like "woah you wear make up?!?" when I have a full smokey eye every day.
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    so, this is the most recent picture of me. i know i could use some mascara, but do i need concealer for my eyes? i, myself, don't hate my naturally dark eye circles but since you have to look "flawless" when being loli i'm guessing i should wear some? also, i refuse to wear foundation. as you can see i have some flushed cheeks and a bit of discoloration, look on the (your) right cheek, from acne but i'd rather not use something to cover it up. i want to be an inspiration to little girls and try to be as natural as i can whilst still looking like a pretty, pretty princess.

    also, dat crooked nose.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)15:14 No.4736466
    >>4736365
    Haha so true. Men who say they don't want a woman who wears makeup really mean they don't want to be able to tell that she's wearing makeup because they have no idea what women without makeup is supposed to look like.

    And I hate it when men tell me I wear too much makeup. Fuck you, I wear it because I like it. I'm a makeup artist. idgaf what your preference is. Same as when men tell me I shouldn't lose weight because then my boobs won't be as big. It's cute how they think their opinion is really that important to me.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)15:23 No.4736505
    >>4736446
    Why do you refuse to wear foundation?
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)15:36 No.4736550
    >>4736058
    Maybe try a tinted moisturizer?
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)15:40 No.4736567
    >>4736365
    Ha ha thiss!
    My bf is the same. He goes on about how he likes me when I am "without" make up and looking "naturally beautiful" and he compliments me on my supposedly make-up-less face when am actually wearing BB cream + powder + highlighter + blusher + brown eyeshadow + mascara.

    As long as your foundation / BB cream is a perfect match for your skin, there is no reason for you to look as if you are wearing foundation. Your skin should look flawless without it being obvious that you have layers of mismatched foundation caked on....
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)15:43 No.4736575
    >>4736446
    I think you look beautiful and your skin looks decent, but if I am gonna be honest, it's not a look for lolita. It will look as if you rolled out of bed and into your dress. No one says you have to wear heaps of make-up, but a bit of bb cream or foundation or even some brightening powder, along with some blush on the cheeks and a bit of eyeshadow and mascara would match with lolita more.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)15:43 No.4736576
    >>4736505
    well, for one, i dislike how it shows when you get close to a mirror, you can see that you're wearing makeup because it has that layer it creates on the tiny facial hairs. i have no idea how to explain it, and can't find any pictures, but i just dislike it. also, as i mentioned before, i want to be an inspiration to little girls and wear my most natural face whilst still looking, in their eyes, like some kind of princess. i want to show them that makeup isn't beauty, it's character and how you carry yourself. and lastly, i like my naturally red cheeks and how my face gets flushed when i smile quite hard like, i don't wanna let that get covered and have to use blush.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)15:48 No.4736597
    My boyfriend thinks my face is most beautiful when completely natural, but he has never tried to discourage me from wearing makeup since he knows I like to play with it, and that it's just part of dressing up.

    You guys need better boyfriends.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)15:50 No.4736605
    >>4736576
    Well I think you should do what makes you happy. If you don't like wearing foundation, don't. But the whole thing about the little girls and being an inspiration is bollocks imho. First off, I doubt they can tell the difference. Second, there is nothing wrong with choosing to wear make up. It's not any more fake than wearing a bra, or styling your hair, or wearing elaborate fashions. All of them create an artificial impression. And at the end of the day, who gives a shit about make up, young girls should be inspired to be themselves, make their choices intelligently and confidently in life, aspire to be whoever they want and achieve whatever they dream of. Who gives two shits about foundation.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)15:51 No.4736609
    >>4736550 i've always wanted to try one of those. do you know of a good one? as you can see in the picture my skin can be uneven, but i'd rather wear a tinted moisturizer than actual foundation.
    >>4736575 yeesh, that's quite a bit of stuff. i guess i'll work in moderation to get used to wearing makeup to look as best as i can? still, i can't guarantee i'll give foundation a try. thank you though, for the advice and compliment. you're beautiful as well for giving me constructive criticism.
    p.s. what in the lord's name is bb cream?
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)15:54 No.4736615
    >>4736609
    oopsies, accidental green text.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)15:56 No.4736619
    >>4736576
    But...kids could care less if you are wearing makeup, nor can they tell. The flawless skin look is earned by makeup because flawless skin is essentially a myth. It gets rid of that tired look, which you do show, and people do pickup on it.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)15:59 No.4736629
    >>4736619
    Not only kids don't care, but also it's not inspirational in any way. My mom as well as my best frined's mom were the types who wanted to "inspire" us to be ourselves and love our skin and be all natural and guess what... we both ended up being huge make up whores lol. It kinda had the opposite effect....
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:00 No.4736635
    >>4736446

    you look fine to me. i'd just wear a bit of mascara and maybe eyeliner/eyeshadow.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:04 No.4736641
    >>4736629
    Lol, same here. I mostly love makeup because I like the pretty colors...

    Who cares if I'm 20? I like colors!!
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:12 No.4736664
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    >>4736567

    Horey shit, anon. I've never worn much make-up and was trying to find some way to wear foundation without feeling like crap. Never knew about BB cream.

    Thank you!
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:13 No.4736666
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    Sooo, I have AP's Fantasic Dolly cardigan in cream and I'm having trouble coordinating it with other AP prints since I have this mindset that mixing white and cream doesn't look very good. I recently discovered that the border print on Triple Tart goes well with it but I'm still unsure since there is white lace. What do you guys think?
    I also own quite a few strawberry accessories. But I'm unsure if I should go with the choker with white lace (I'm afraid it looks like it's clashing with the neck ties on the straw hat) or if I should keep it simple with the stawberry-chan necklace.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:18 No.4736685
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    >>4736629
    lol, well then..that's unexpected. my despise for too much makeup came from high school.

    >>4736619
    haha, i was tired. but i understand getting rid of the exhausted look with makeup. i'm a huge noob at applying, since i've only worn it once really, so i guess i need to look up some tutorials on how to look natural but refreshed. i just don't want to look like a completely different person with makeup on, you know?

    >>4736635
    thanks, but i don't know how to apply eyeliner for my eye shape. whenever i try i look like a "chola." it's more than scary.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:29 No.4736711
    What I really want from loli is to be part of a comm. Right now, I have no friends, and am basically a NEET. I want to get into loli, not just for the beautiful clothes, but also for the meets and the comm.
    But I can;t afford it right now, and am unsure if I will ever be able to truly get into loli. I would love to, and wouldn't dare show my face at a meet or call myself a loli with any clothing, but I want to meet the other lolitas in my area.

    Basically I'm complaining because I have no friends and no job and no money and I want loli now.
    I don't know when I will be able to get a job, but it won't be for a while...
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:30 No.4736713
    What is everyone's favorite brand of bb cream? I'm using etude right now, but not super happy with it.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:33 No.4736721
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    >>4736685
    i'm now on a mission because of /cgl/. as i'm reading my own posts i'm thinking, "perhaps i should educate myself more on the art of applying makeup?" i bash it because of how other girls NOTICEABLY wear it and look as though they're not the same person with it off; if i practice i can get the art form down so that i don't end up like them. thanks to all of you who have helped me come to this realization. i feel so naive to let high school deter me from makeup and cloud my eyes with clowns, i guess you could call them.

    bitches be scary when they remove their masks.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:36 No.4736735
    >>4736711
    Where do you live, exactly?
    For the most part, I feel like it depends on the area. Especially if you're in an area filled with elitist lolitas.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:39 No.4736742
    >>4736666

    I think the cardi looks great with it but don't wear the choker, the hat and bracelet could work but I would just get the matching triple tart bow for a headpiece
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:42 No.4736759
    >>4736721

    excellent! here's a few tips based on my experience as a former makeup phobe- use a powder foundation, it looks less cakey and fake. Find out what undertones are in your skin and use makeup colors that compliment it (for instance, I'm a bit olive toned so I used browns, but my sister is fair skinned and she uses purples and blacks. I look really weird if I use purple in the way she does, but on her it doesn't look goofy.

    don't line the whole bottom of your eyelid- only line the outer half. it makes your eyes look bigger.

    and finally don't forget to take care of your eyebrows. they're as much a part of your face as your eyes or lips. keep the hairs cleaned up but you don't necessarily have to make them thinner. get them done by a professional and maintain them with an eyebrow shaver- I say a shaver rather than wax because wax can apparently damage your hair follicles, and after waxing too much sometimes they don't grow back. my best friend is dealing with this right now. filling in your eyebrows juuust a bit with an eyeshadow that matches your eyebrows also makes them look well shaped.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:43 No.4736761
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    I have no clue how to co-ordinate this damn dress

    I have so much buyers remorse you have no idea, I was an idiot and didn't know what the colour bordeaux was and assumed it was more brown but when the dress arrived, it's this wine purple colour

    I really want to bring out the light pink in the print I'm just not sure how
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:46 No.4736779
    >>4736713
    I'm using missha and I love it. I'm white as fuck and since it was a gift... it's not the shade I wanted. There's two shades that work on white skin and I have the darker of the two. I do love it though and I just use that with concealer and all my redness disappears. I'd still like to try the lighter one though. I hear the shade I have actually has pink undertones which is what I'd like to avoid if possible, but other than that it's working great
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:49 No.4736788
    >>4736759
    Ugh, this anon disagrees. Don't shave your brows, especially if you're new at it - it's too easy to slip and hack off half the expensive job you just paid an aesthetician to do. Not to mention, shaving can damage hair follicles and make them grow two or even three hairs in place of just the one that was there before.

    Get them shaped professionally, and then tweeze to maintain. Takes a while longer, but there's much more precision, and I'm sure you have an hour a week you can spend on your eyebrows.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:49 No.4736793
    Another makeup noob here. Since I've gotten into Lolita I've tried to wear makeup. Since I don't normally wear it and don't plan to wear it everyday, I figured I would try to get the basics down first: eyeliner, a natural eyeshadow, mascara, eyebrow pencil (my brows are fairly sparse and look really light compared to my real hair color and most of the wigs I wear) and some kind of lip color. Anytime I ask about foundation or powder I get told "your skin is wonderful honey, you don't need it." I figure, if I am hearing this from the people who are in the business of selling me makeup, then it must be true, but should I try out blush or this BB cream stuff or should I just stick to just worrying about my eyes and lips?
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:50 No.4736797
    >>4736735

    Calgary, Alberta, Canada
    I've been looking for ages for other Calgary Lolis, but they don't seem to be on Facebook, Livejournal or /cgl/
    I even checked on the Otafest (our local con) forum, but no response whatsoever. For the past few yearas, we've had Lolita fashion shows, but I can't find the girls...

    And I just recently bought a few dresses I love, that can fit petticoats, but I don't even think they're loliable. They're like... cutsew dresses and would only work for casual, and even then they might not be good enough. If I'm gunna loli, I'm gunna do it right. I refuse to look like fuck.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:53 No.4736812
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    >>4736788

    shaveanon here, that is a good point. it could be a bit difficult for someone new at it. I don't use a razor though, I use these neat little eyebrow shavers I found at Walgreen's. pic related. they're small and really easy to manage for shaving off the stuff that's starting to grow back. :3
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)16:54 No.4736816
    >>4736759
    thank you so much for the eyeliner tip! and i'm definitely going to a professional for my eyebrows because god knows i don't want mickey d's arches on my face! and, do you happen to use bb cream? if so, can you tell me which? i'm olive myself so i don't want to end up buying something that makes me look like a ghost.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)17:00 No.4736841
    >>4736812
    Yeah I assumed those were what you meant - I have a couple and I occasionally use them for cleaning up the distant strays and if there's an OH SHIT, PARTY TONIGHT AND I FORGOT TO PLUCK moment, but in general we shouldn't suggest these to newbies. They're too easy to screw up with. She should get a feel for how her brows should be shaped by plucking for a while, and then when she feels confident maybe try the shavers (but I'm still adamant against regular use ><).
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)17:00 No.4736845
    >>4736761
    all I can say is good luck
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)17:06 No.4736865
    >>4736761

    Somethings ivory, brown, or orange colour? D: Dang, that's a beautiful OP if allowed to stand alone.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)18:07 No.4737120
    >>4736365
    >>4736466
    >>4736567
    Still, not looking for a flawless look, not trying to look like the perfect lolitas in the magazines, I don't even have the desire to wear make-up. I see no reason to. I look nice, I like how my face looks without make-up so why bother? Sure I could look "more beautiful", but I don't see it being worth it having to buy all the stuff then take the time to apply it.

    >>4736597
    >You guys need better boyfriends.
    My boyfriend discourages me from doing something I don't want to do anyways, he sounds pretty perfect to me.
    >> Anonymous 07/18/11(Mon)18:30 No.4737209
    What's the punishment for putting up a post on the comm sales too soon? A warning if it's your first offense, or are you immediately put on the "mods have to approve your post" list?
    >> Anonymous 07/19/11(Tue)10:05 No.4739917
    >>4736711

    Are you me?
    Although about the wanting to be a part of the comms I'm not sure about. I know this is /cgl/ and all but this board has really shown me how especially bitchy lolitas can be and it sort of puts me off from getting to know other lolitas. I'm a paranoid person, so one day if/when I'd be able to afford dresses and I went to a meet, I'd probably constantly be worrying about whether they hate me, or whether they're going to post me on here etc. etc.
    I know there are kind lolitas but people can be so two-faced and you never know...
    >> Anonymous 07/19/11(Tue)11:01 No.4740050
    I have a question. I have long unlayered hair without bangs, what are some good hairstyles that suit lolita without buying a wig or cutting bangs? I understand that a nice hairstyle is important, but I'm just not sure what to do with my hair and every lolita ever seem to have bangs.
    >> Anonymous 07/19/11(Tue)11:03 No.4740053
    >>4737209
    What do you mean by too soon?
    If by too soon you mean within 4 days of the last post of the same kind (ie posting another DS when you made a DS just 2 days ago) then you'll get a formal warning.
    If by too soon you mean posting an item within 4 weeks without reductions (ie you posted a skirt last week and post it again this week) then you'll also get a formal warning.
    EVERYONE start with the moderation queue. Only after you've got more than 3 positive feedback and has been a member for more than 1 month will you have a chance of getting on the unmoderated posting list, which allows you to post directly onto the sales comm instead of waiting in the moderation queue.
    >> Anonymous 07/19/11(Tue)11:04 No.4740058
    >>4737209
    Also, 3 formal warnings=1 month temp ban. 4 formal warnings=2 months temp ban. 5 formal warnings=permaban.
    source: http://egl-comm-sales.livejournal.com/13979589.html
    >> Anonymous 07/19/11(Tue)11:07 No.4740063
    >>4740050
    braid it
    curl it
    put it into buns
    do a chignon
    put them into pig tails
    put them into curly pig tails
    or just let it all hang out
    There's a ton of shit you can do with it. Just do what you think looks best with your outfit.
    >> Anonymous 07/19/11(Tue)11:09 No.4740071
    Does anyone know which type of dress looks best with a big bust and small waist?
    My measurements are 96 bust and 64 waist...
    >> Anonymous 07/19/11(Tue)11:14 No.4740081
    >>4740071
    shirred dresses. Don't go with empire waist, it'll cover up your itty bitty waist and that won't look good at all.
    Try to downplay your boobs and bring more emphasis on your waist. Wear a muted color dress and wear a belt/corset of a contrasting color might work. Avoid dresses with too much going on at the décolletage (ie shit tons of lace, prints, necklaces, etc)
    Classic style overall would probably look best on you.
    >> Anonymous 07/19/11(Tue)11:16 No.4740090
    >>4740081
    High waisted skirts
    >> Anonymous 07/19/11(Tue)11:22 No.4740107
    >>4740081
    Thank you. Tbh shirring looks stupid most of the time unless it's just a small part of shirring because the top part is fully stretched out and the elastics are kinda flattening my chest by pulling them back (even though the official measurements say that it'll fit).
    But I'll definitely watch out for more waist-emphasised dresses (I guess MM and such? but they get sold out soooo quickly)

    >>4740090
    I own a few high waisted skirts but they make my boobs look even more ridiculous/huge :/
    >> Anonymous 07/19/11(Tue)11:34 No.4740135
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    >>4740063

    generally I do one of these and stick bows or flowers into the style wherever it seems like a creative and lovely place to put one.

    look at some Victorian hairstyles for ideas, but you don't have to copy one outright- just look at how they used braids, false hairpieces, flowers and ribbons to do up their hair and take some ideas from that!
    >> Anonymous 07/19/11(Tue)12:35 No.4740298
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    Is there some way to take in a dress with shirring at the back so it fits better? I have no idea what's going on, but the top middle parts of the back shirring is starting to get...loose, is the only word I can think of to describe it. I'm 5'5" and 110lbs, so the problem isn't stretching, and I can't imagine having it hanging up in my closet has caused this, but correct me if I'm wrong.
    Pic related, and why I can't figure out how to just take it in myself since all the doodads confuse me.
    >> Anonymous 07/19/11(Tue)14:41 No.4740795
    >>4731094
    I know who you are now.
    >> Anonymous 07/19/11(Tue)14:50 No.4740831
    >>4740298
    I'm the same height and a little lower weight and I have the same problem. You can pull the elastic tighter and add a couple of stitches to hold it in place to make it tighter, and if you do it on the outside of the piece instead of cutting open the channels you can just remove the stitches later for resale.
    >> Anonymous 07/19/11(Tue)19:51 No.4742212
    >>4740831
    I'll try that this weekend when my sewing guru friend comes over. Thanks for your help!



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