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Katsuhiro Otomo, director of Steamboy and Akira
>'The skills of traditional animators have become worse, and notable young animators have not come out to the scene. This is a big issue for the industry. '

Mamoru Oshii's, director of Ghost in the Shell
>"The world of hand-drawn Japanese animation became useless long ago, as far as level of achievement and talent. The stuff airing on television these days can just be churned out, mass produced.

>I certainly think that animation is like a handicraft. If you ask me, it’s similar to the miracle that is shrine carpentry. Do you know how many people are weeded out before a single person rises to the top and becomes a qualified shrine carpenter? How much training is required? That’s why I compare animation to shrine carpentry: you simply cannot mass produce it. But now, we’re reaching our limits. If you want to know why, it’s because all the really talented animators that are sustaining the world of hand-drawn animation, the 20 or so of them, are all over 40. So think about it, in another 10 years, what’s going to happen?

I agree with all of them. I see the same thing happening in japanese video games as well. Japanese TV dramas have beyond repair of years now.

I never thought I would have to say this, but Japan needs a cultural revolution like whoa.

Yutaka Yamamoto, former KyoAni director, on the state of the anime industry:
>Nowadays, good animation doesn't good sales, most otakus barely even notice good animation quality, only sakuga fags happy to see animation
>For example, Denno Coil and Birdy: Decode sale fail to live up to sakuga fags's hype, compare to Bakemonogatari and Railgun win the Otaku market.
>Your anime is always going to end up on Youtube. We're reaching the end of being able to sell home video. We're probably going to back to toy-funded business models of past: give anime away, try to sell toys.
>The lack of originality and the desire for exclusivity by the fandom has created a highly transparent industry. Mr Yamamoto affirms that the creators and the fans are “too close.” This is the biggest reason behind the isolation of the anime industry. The creators feel too obligated to please their fans, and the fans naturally expect the creators of anime to cater to them specifically, as opposed to society at large. This negative feedback loop simply exacerbates the problem over time, and now we have an industry that has boxed itself into a dead end.

Dai Sato, scriptwriter of Ghost in the Shell: SAC, Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo
>“When I see anime today, I realize that we have no pride left.”
>Sato was upset with the lack of respect for stories in Japan. He pointed out that “Ergo Proxy had DVD box sets around the world, but not in Japan.
>Anime has become a “super establishment system,” where nothing can be changed. And the system is moving towards the model of Akihabara – the importance of characters, images, merchandise.. As Sato sees it: “Manga is the last hold out. If that is lost, there will be no more anime.”
>He feels anime will die out in Japan over the next few decades

Anime reached its peak around '00, and since then has hit the shitter with haruhi, lucky star and k-on

Almost everyone on this board is to blame for ruining conventions, which used to be about meeting up to discuss anime and getting glimpses of what's new. Now it's about socially awkward teenagers getting together to be annoying as a whole

>>3492236
>>I agree with all of the conflicting opinions
>>implying the only part of japanese culture is the anime
>>is stupid

ANIME IS DEAD JUST LIKE RELIGION IS DEAD JUST LIKE ROCK N ROLL IS DEAD JUST LIKE HIP HOP IS DEAD ALSO THE MCRIB IS DEAD OH NO THEY BROUGHT THAT SHIT BACK

MCRIB > ALL YOUR "DEAD" ARTS

>>3492261
>implying I was only talking about anime
>Implying my post doesn't talk about 3 different pieces of core japanese media
>Implying that each quote isn't someone worried about the deathcall of modern japanese media
>Implying that you can fucking read

Shit dude, try at least.

>>3492272
>>didn't capitalize the i in the first implying

how does it feel to be stupid

>>3492283

See, that's better.

7/10

>>3492272
just like all the hip hop 'masters' that claimed hip hop was dead a dozen years ago? hip hop isn't dead, it's not dying, there's a lot of awful shit mixed in but guess what? there's a lot of awful shit mixed in everything else on the planet that's been around for a while. all of these artists/writers/japs are old faggots basically yelling at the new kids to get off their nice traditional lawn because you know, lawns today aren't what they used to be or some shit. animu isn't dead, it's not dying, your mom's dying though

>"I think there is a chance that the spread of Japanese animation overseas might only lead to embarrassment."

This does genuinely upset me. Then again I tried looking for the original Japanese and the context and couldn't find it. BUT IF THE BBC SAY THAT'S WHAT HE SAID THEN I'LL BELIEVE THEM.

Then again Western anime consumers are fucking idiots.

Satoshi kon is dead.

;-;

>>3492337
way to be a buzzkill bro

>>3492304

That would be a good analogy if Rap music didn't fucking suck now a days.

the South is the cancer of hiphop.

Now, not that I follow anime or watch a lot of it....but didn't "back in the day" have some stinkers too?

>Now, not that I follow anime or watch a lot of it....but didn't "back in the day" have some stinkers too?

Of course it did. The major difference back then was the fans.

This gen of fans seems to lap up the shitty mass produced titles and totally ignores anything of value, claiming it's "too deep lol". They throw their money at all the shit shows, not knowing something better came before it because they refuse to watch anime that's more then 3 years old.

So yes, there were bad series back in the day...and they were IGNORED. The great series were propped up and given the limelight. Nowadays, the situation is reversed. Shit is put up on a pedestal, and great shows are ignored for not being mainstream.

Why did anime fandom become everything I ever hated about mass audiences?

Saturday night I was flipping through channels and saw that Cowboy Bebop was on. Honkey Tonk Women. While I was watching it I got sad. Anime isn't like that anymore. There's no amazing art or characters you grow fond of. So rare does a gem like it come along anymore. It really does make me sad.

A good anime, to me, is something that everyone has the capability to watch, enjoy, and understand. My ex claimed to hate anime and anime fans, but he loved Cowboy Bebop. My mother constantly begs me to stop watching cartoons and grow up, but one of her favorite movies is Spirited Away. My preppy friends had never seen an anime before in their life and totally loved Tekkonkinkreet. Things like that.

I look forward to a redoing of the anime production system one day.

>>3492625

>Anime isn't like that anymore. There's no amazing art or characters you grow fond of.

Anime equally as good as Cowboy Bebop, potentially even better has come out since. Just because you haven't seen any doesn't mean there hasn't been any; good anime is constantly overshadowed by shit anime. Dig a little deeper and you'll find your hidden gems.

Good new anime does exist. I know the "giants" like Satoshi Kon, or Dai Sato, or Katsuhiro Otomi, don't like to admit it, but it does exist.
I don't really care about the drawing style as long as the plot is good. I hate Code Geass'drawing, but I love the story and I love the end. People say it's copied from Gundam - excuse me, no Gundam had that awesome unexpected end.
Certain thing is, they're not promoted enough. Who knows about Denpa Teki na Kanojo? Who knows about Aoi Bungaku Series? They're from 2009. Denpa Teki hasn't ended yet. Still, they don't have good promotors, and they end up unknown, while crap like Naruto, Bleach or Kuroshitsuji have millions of fans.
Still I don't care about those series staying underground. I'll keep watching them and enjoying a good show, while stupid kids will stay with their mainstream crap. Anime is not dead. Good anime is not dead, it's just hard to find, and that makes it twice as delicious.

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anime sucks anyway.
also... not a troll.

moe is the cancer killing anime directors. good anime is out there but it's drowning in an unending ocean, a morass of crap

>I don't really care about the drawing style as long as the plot is good.
that's one of the complaints by the directors. we should have good story AND good animation. often both are lacking

anyways, let's list some more of this good, recent anime

>>3492304

You, sir, are a dumbass. The amount of investment needed to create an animated show of movie is enormous compared to releasing a hip hop single. Anyone with a computer can lay down their own track in a day. You can't do the same with animation.

Animation is "dying" because there's no longer the time, funds, interest, and talent to support the creation of high-quality, diversified works.

>>3492707
Unfortunately this thread is mostly true :/

If you dig deep enough you'll find great deep meaningful animes. It's like everything else, shit sells better because most people have low standards. People with higher standards are willing to spend money and time on quality.

>>3492707
Agreed. Fucking moe and harem anime helped kill it. Also people equating pokemon and yugioh, meaningless kids' shows, with real works of art like Eva. NOT the same thing.

But...eva was really mediocre...

>>3492744

You can make the argument that anime is like fine art that way.

Well, someone else could. I won't.

>>3492759
wat

>>3492759
I agree anon. Everybody thinks I'm nuts for saying it but I didn't like Eva. At all. It was almost boring.

I guess you guys are the ones who want your anime easy to understand and dumbed down, which Eva is not. :P

>>3492768
Yeah. I mean...there are plenty of SODEEP stories in the world that aren't so godawfully plodding.

>>3492799
I bet you think Inception was more than a heist movie with a gimmick, too.

Having a plot that's metaphorical and controversial does not excuse bad writing. I'm sorry.

anno himself regarded eva as a failure.

eva was less an objective, grand dissertation than it was an outlet for emotional immaturity and the usual masturbatory philosophical wandering that arises from depression. having said that, i did enjoy it like i did inception. but not going to pretend inception was anything more than a gimmicky heist movie like >>3492834 said.

>>3492834
>>3492917
that's pretty elitist. what do you think of The Prestige? it's just a movie about magicians, huh.

Inception was a really good flawless heist movie with a gimmick

>>3493132
what was the gimmick?

>>3492739
Animation is "dying" because there's no longer the time, funds, interest, and talent to support the creation of high-quality, diversified works.

No. Those bawwwing old fags animation are dying. Those they critizise so much aren't.

Eva is great, but all the fucking pseudophilosophical/psychological fans ruin it by imposing their bullshit on anyone around them who will listen...it is one thing to appreciate the intricacies of a series, but acting like Evangelion is the only worthwhile thing that exists is just retarded.
Really. Obnoxious.

didn't knew ergo proxy was a kawaii and moe anime. and it's from 2008...

>>3492625
This.

Seriously. It makes me sad to look back 6 years ago at how much anime I used to watch and enjoy, because now I don't wantch anything. Every once in a while I'll go back and watch an old favorite such as Cowboy Bebop or Digimon, but I just cannot watch any of the new stuff that is being shat out of Japan.

I swear Inception is a ripoff of Vanilla Sky.

HAVING SAID THAT,

I agree with anime dying, tbh. I went off anime, cosplay, 4chan, etc. etc. for about 2-3 years. When I came back to /a/ to see if there's anything new I should watch, I realized almost all of the threads were about anime from years ago. Has there been anything good in the last 3 years because it sure as hell doesn't seem like it.

I am always surprised by the amount of praise that Bebop gets. Yes, it's one of my favorite series. However, I don't consider it to be particularly deep and meaningful. It's main draws are it's music, the coolness/hip factor, likable characters, and taking various things from other popular movies and mashing them together.

It's kind of like Tarantino movies. Huge emphasis on the soundtrack, hip, fun, gets lots of praise, but so many things from it are ripped off/homages of other works.

You know why this is happening? Because we never got Kaiji Season 2.

Fuck you Japan. If this situation is the Jazz Singer, then I'm Papa Rabinowitz kicking you out of my house until you sing me the hymn that is Kaiji season 2.

>>3493403
restricted paper rock scissors!