So, talking to dealers around the con, there was one guy who had a fairly small booth. Just 1 table, I'm not sure if he had any of those metal walls, wasn't selling much, just a few T-shirts, and his move-in cost for the con was $1,500. This seemed really ridiculous! Another booth told us they had to sell over $9,000 before they even started making a profit. There was another booth from last year, I can't remember the name of their company, but they sold t-shirts, and they where real popular. Their booth was huge, took up 3 or 4 tables, and had a cage built out of those metal walls. It was real cool to walk into their cage and be in like this small room all of the sudden. This year, when they showed up and saw how they where going to be charged for the move-in, they told AX to keep the money they had already paid for their booth, and that they where leaving and would not be coming back if this kept up. Apparently many other booths did the same.

This has angered many dealers, and I'm not even done yet. Since the last day of the con was July 4th, the move-out for all of their stuff was doubled! So that poor guy, who wasn't even selling much and paid 1500 to get in, would have to pay 3000 to get out!!

Now, If you've kept up with me, I'm sure you're asking, 'Why would AX do this? don't they know it's bad for their con?' I want to tell you this. It is not AX that charged all these insane fee's. Its this GES Union (excuse me if I got the name wrong) that governs conventions. They changed their rates this year to be so unreasonable. There was nothing AX or the dealers could do.

In response, AX wrote up a contract for next years dealers to potentially help out. We actually went down and got a copy of this contract to read for ourselves. It stated that next year, included in the price of the dealers booth, AX would pay for up to 500 pounds of the move-in and move-out cost. Sounds alot nicer, but as I kept reading, I saw that one perk was not enough. Those 500 lb where for 'cartload' only, which meant all of those large metal walls, which if you remember are moved by forklift, would not be covered. Then, looking at the price of dealers table, the absolute cheapest and smallest booth was still $1,150. And this rate was only good for the next 3 months. after that the prices went up by $200.

I kept reading until the cancellation policies. Until October, dealers can cancel their booth registration for a full refund, of course, with a $50 processing fee. After that, they can only get a 50% refund, until March. After March, there is no refund. But here's the kicker: Dealers won't know what this GES union company is charging for move fees until May, two months before the con. By that time, it's too late to cancel.

So you can see why a bunch of dealers would be angry and not want to return right? I heard a few booths where banding together and trying get other booths in on not returning to AX until this is resolved. They feel if they start getting treated this way at AX, other cons may think they can take advantage of their dealers too. And they cant. Essentially, its almost a dealers strike. I cannot foresee AX being very successful next year.

Now, from here, I'm going to talk about more of the rumor stuff. Everything before was stuff I heard straight from dealers, and read straight from the contract. Here on out, it is pure speculation on mine, and dealers behalf.

So, after day 1 at AX, they made an announcement that due to the "overwhelming success of AX this year", AX would pay for all of the dealers move-out fee. As I mentioned before, that was double their move in fee. It's also pretty clear that AX did not have a "overwhelming success". I don't have the numbers, but my guess is that they have about as much attendees this year as they did last year. Which, mind you, is nothing to sneeze at, but I wouldn't call it overwhelming. So, this sudden act of charity made me think that it didn't really make sense. What did AX have to gain by it? One of the dealers pointed it out to me. They know dealers are angry. They want them, no, they NEED them to come back. They where trying to sweeten the deal.

Speculation by one of the dealers, it's thought that this GES union is trying to choke out and kill AX. They think there's another event that wants the LACC for the same time slot AX has it, but AX is contracted for another 2 years. It's possible somehow GES will profit from this other event.

In other news, this part fact, SPJA (who owns AX) contracted IDG World Expo to run AX this year. Now the rumor part: according to a dealer, in the past, cons that IDG has been contracted to run, they have supposed bought the next year. Now I'm not entirely sure that's a good or bad thing. From what I can tell by a quick glance at their site, IDG has been contracted to run E3 and Macworld this year, but I'm not sure what they own. SPJA is supposedly non-profit... I'm sure someone's getting paid, but the concept of SPJA is that the money goes to the con. and in the past they've done good. Not always perfect, but good.

There was also a rumor, a rumor which I have absolutely no fact to determine the truthfulness of, that they may start charging an entrance fee into the dealers hall for attendees. To make us pay for the privilege of spending money. This rumor I suspect to be bogus, but I share with you what I heard.

OP here, just trying to spread the word. Not alot of attendees knew what was going on, but we deserve to know, and deserve to make our choice based on all the info

i hope they move AX's date, some day. doing it on July 4th weekend sucks, one week later or earlier would be 100x better.
if it's true they want to shut AX down, well... fine. as long as they replace it with a con that's not that weekend. i hate going to AX over July 4th

I'm sorry you and other dealers had to encounter that. The extra space was big enough to fit 20 artists booths max and walking around was like walking on eggshells around huge cosplay props. I hope they dump the dipshit board staff that were responsible for the high expenses and organize panels better as well for future con experiences.

An interesting read OP.

Also, I've only attended 2 AX cons now. Last years, and this years.

I noticed a serious lack of setups, stages, music, and LOUD NOISES. Much of the hype I had at AX was built from that atmosphere, even if I didn't care what the booth was presenting, like the crunchyroll booth and the copic-marker stage. It helped generate some atmosphere.

There was none of that this year. And I'm assuming the docking area and per-pound fees are what killed the buzz this year.

Thanks for shedding some light here.

>>3284222
Just to add to the rumor pile, I also heard that they may start charging for the Main Events. So not only would you have to buy a badge to get around, but you would also have to pay to get into events like the Masque.

I also heard rumor from a guy volunteering at the loading dock that next year they are looking at companies like Konami and SquareEnix to have a booth. And that it looks promising.

>>3284271
haven't you always had to pay for that?
like concerts and stuff i know you have to pay for, but i never went to masquerade or the "raves"

>>3284244
If they shut down AX, I don't think they'll be replacing it with another anime con. Just another event of some sort want the space.

>>3284253
I'm not sure if you're referring to how the artist alley was crowded, or if you mean the extra space should've been used for more artist alley?

>>3284256
I'm really glad to share the info. AX did good in keeping it hush hush to the attendees, so most of them didnt notice. It just sort of had an "off" vibe. And I want to support the dealers by also boycotting them and proving that things need to change. We can't make a difference if no one knows what's wrong.

>>3284283
if AX shuts down another con will open in LA, it's just not possible to not have a con out here. it makes 0 sense.
i'm not saying another con will open on July 4th at the LACC, just saying another one would open.

>>3284280
You've been able to buy tickets for big events at AX for years. I got into a couple concerts and the masq for free though because just before things start they give out the remaining tickets for free. Mostly you get better seats if you pay is all.

>>3284206
How could any con booth make over $9,000? Even major retail stores like home depot or Best Buy don't make that kind of money in a weekend.

>>3284271
I believe the system this year was that they would sell tickets you could buy to get into the events first, or you could wait in line and hope there was space to get in after everyone with tickets got in.

I also forgot to mention another dick moved they pulled. This year, AX sold "premier passes" for roughly 120. the deal was that people with these badges could get free tickets, and get into the dealers hall an hour before it opened. well, while standing in line, waiting for the dealers hall to open for the public at 12, we could see the second line that had formed for people with premier passes to get in at 11. When 11 rolled around though, they let everyone in, public and all. If i had one of those passes I'd be pretty pissed and demand my money back. I heard they didn't hold up their promise to the premier pass holders to other things as well. Dick move, you know?

The fucking retard who's running AX doesn't know what he's doing. They've got a year to fix their shit. No fucking arcade and then ALLOFASUDDEN LOL AN ARCADE. Not to mention, the Dealer's Hall was rather lackluster this year. I don't understand why they are trying to squeeze even more money out of people during such a bad economy. This AX I had the least amount of money than I've ever had and I wasn't about to pay for a badge. AX really is going down the shitter and I wish it would turn itself around. Now Fanime on the other hand... They've been awesome and they just need to kick it up a few notches on the level of their convention content.

AX is my home con and I've been going to it for over 9 years now. But honestly, I think next year I'll just save the money and go to Otakon.

>>3284283
Well, being a patron, it was extremely hard to walk around without smooshing into someone. Talking about congested, shoulder to shoulder, I'm going to break off a piece of your sword if I get pushed crowded. I also meant that the extra space definitely was needed for extra space. It was too spaced out. Needed more booths/artist tables in it.

>>3284326
I've always gone to AX, since '04, and I haven't been able to afford any other con, cause I'm a cheap bastard. But because of all this shit, I'm seriously considering going to Fanime next year. I hear good things. I hope it rocks.

Friend to a dealer from this year, here.

Supposedly they raised the cost of booth space to $1500+ :\ When I was being told this, they only had 5 dealers signed up for next year at the time.

They should just move it to the San Diego Convention Centre, that place is HUGE!

>>3284340
AX dealers hall has always had about that level of congestion though.

>>3284341
Fanime is awesome. I was dissapointed that I couldn't go to AX this year at first, but after hearing about them going down the shitter, I wasn't so depressed anymore. If they don't get their shit fixed by next year, I might just go to Otakon instead. :/

>>3284352
This was my first year :] I've been to other "conventions" with the same amount of booths in my home state but they weren't as crowded. I just need to go to more animu cons, I suppose lawl.

Seems like all this "information" is just bullshit. No one has any sources ("ITS WHAT I HEARD", "A DEALER I CANT REMEMBER THE NAME OF SAID SO", etc). I'm all for wanting to bring down AX, but you fuckers are just believing a bunch of rumors.

>>3284298
My store made £12,000 today and it was practically dead.

>>3284350
Missing the point. Space wasn't their problem. Infact, they used less space then before and where camouflaging it to look bigger!

>>3284367
Comic Con doesn't have any issues with funds. Perhaps the unions there are cheaper and less money grubbing?

>>3284364
OP here. There is alot of fact there. I read the contract myself. Yes, most of my information came from dealers, but that doesn't make it rumors. The dealer, whom I know personally, experienced it first hand. it wasn't some bitching that was being passed around.

The dealer name I can't remember I was using as an example of their size and how they quit cold. Excuse me for not having a picture perfect memory.

Unions were a good idea but these days they seem to be as evil as the corporations.

>>3284400
You're still just doing the same stupid "TRUST ME ITS TROO" deal. Where are your sources? What are the names of these dealers you talked to? Where did you get this info? Anyone can make up rumors and persist theyre facts. Usually on the internet if a person can't quote source it means they're full of shit.

>>3284364
I worked for a dealer and I can confirm that all of what OP said is true. Well atleast about what happened at AX, I can't confirm the after con rumors or rumors about next year.

>>3284425

Anon wants source not just word of mouth. Why don't you guys upload some screencaps of the contract ya raging over.

>>3284393
Comic-Con has sponsorships up the ass, from everyone from Marvel to Warner Bros to Disney to Sony, etc. Every studio and entertainment corporation under the sun wants their stuff to be featured at SDCC.

>>3284425
You aren't confirming shit. Tell me what dealer you worked for and link to somewhere where he mentioned it.

>>3284436
Because that wouldn't be in the best interest of the company I work for. So its up to you whether or not you believe me or not.

>>3284450
In other words you made it all up. good job.

And don't bother continuing with the NO NO TRUST ME U IG'NUNT line of defense. You don't have any source or verifiability so your words are nothing.

>>3284423
FFF- you fuckers don't read shit. The dealer I talked with is called ANIME HOT. The woman's name who runs it is Aki. I would totally go and scan in that contract I was talking about, but I don't have a scanner, and I threw it away once I read it. I'll see if I can find some online source.

>>3284470

>>3284400
So you're claiming to know someone personally who gave you the info, but you can't name who they are?

And supposedly numerous businesses for some reason decided to confide in you their personal business dealings despite not even knowing you? And you can't name any of them either?

Sorry, but you're full of it.

>>3284423
lol this sounds like AX staff. Butthurt none of your dealers are returning next year?

:\

SMELLS LIEK BULLSHIT GAIZ.

Not OP, but the dealer of Anime Hot originates in our hometown and goes to the local con as well. That's how we befriended the owner of Anime Hot, Aki, and got to know the information we know now. When they went to AX obviously they were going to talk to other dealers, especially when something like this comes up. We're friends with Aki and so of course they wouldn't mind sharing their information.

Another reason: AX used to sell these promotional packages to the anime/manga companies. Different tiers of sponsorship that included things like banners in main events, "premium" booth placement, useless press release services and the list goes on.

What have basically all tanked in one way or another in the past few years? Also, wouldn't companies like Konami or Squinix have jumped on the AX bandwagon back with it actually was the big show?

>>3284526
>>I'm not at liberty to say

Then don't fucking mention it in the first place, it's annoying.

>>3284483
Guy who ran the Anime Hot booth is a guy named Drew. Aki ran it in '09.

Also, Anime Hot is already listed as an exhibitor for AX 2011. So this info of a walk out or threatening not to come next year obviously didn't come from them.

>>3284526
>I'm not at liberty to say

then drop the tripcode and post as anonymous. *sigh*

>>3284526
You aren't confirming anything. Just doing the same dumb "YUP ITZ TROO" routine. You're even less credible than anyone here. Go smoke some more imaginary weed with JJ.

There's probably a libel clause in the contract, or something along those lines... anyone who says anything with a name attached to it here could be sued by AX for posting information related to the contract or to their revenue.

Course that's just my $.02, I could be completely wrong. But still, it's usually in the best interest for the party who has a complaint against a large company to speak anonymously, for their image and financial sake.

>>3284551
Aki and Drew are married. They both go. I happened to be talking to Aki. Also, I found the same list you're referring to. It's not 2011's list, it hasn't been updated yet. same with the contract. I found 2010's online, they haven't updated it to 2011's yet.

>>3284586
lol. It's easy to "pass" on verifying something that you can't. Just like how you claim to fuck cosplay girls then say "I can't talk about any of it Im sworn to secrecy!"

You're a fucking retard. Just stick to namecalling anonymous and talking about how cool you are. It's all you can do.

>>3284596
http://www.anime-expo.org/programming/exhibitor-list/

>Anime Expo 2011 Exhibitor List
>Anime Hot

>>3284574
>>3284606
Looks like Masa D. Luffy got caught in another lie and deleted his posts. How tragic.

>>3284635
He usually doesn't lie, it's just fucking annoying he does that all the time "i know but i won't tell you"

>>3284638
well actually no, when he's kissing ass or trying to defend his faggot tripcode friends he lies.

>>3284595
It's too late to use that excuse. OP's excuse is that he "can't remember the names" and that he "threw it away so I cant scan it."

>>3284628
It only says 2011 in the window title. No where on the page itself. I'm inclined to believe it isn't updated. Especially since nothing else is. If it really is 2011, and Anime Hot really did sign up for next year, that's their own choice. People are allowed to change their mind, and things happen. It doesn't change the facts.

>>3284649
>It doesn't change the facts

So far you haven't been able to verify anything you have said as being "fact". There's a term for claiming something as "fact" without verification or base. It's called a rumor.

>>3284606
I'd say it's pretty decent of him to protect others' privacy and prevent drama by not kissing and telling.

>>3284638
He lies about just about everything. When he gets called out on it he either deletes his post, goes silent, or claims it was just a joke to get under anon's skin. Like when he forged fake AIM text the other night trying to claim that he knew JJ personally.

>>3284648
oh gawds, for the UMPTEENTH time I told you who i talked to. And I'm sorry I don't have the contract. But fine, you don't want to believe me? Ok. Enjoy your fail con. Spend lots of money to go to "the west coast's best con" when it's more like the worst. Trust me, you'll regret it.

>>3284649

>It doesn't change the facts.

What facts? All we have is word of mouth so far. Not saying that I don't believe 'some' of the things mention in this thread.

But you really need to provide some hard proof when you talking about a matter such as this.

>>3284671
And I'd say it's pretty laughable that you actually believe that. Nobody that Masa hangs out with at cons has ever seen him do anything of the sort.

>>3284675
You claimed to have gotten your info from Anime Hot, for which has not verified anything you have said and are listed as an AX exhibitor for next year.

BTW I just talked with Jesus personally and he says you're full of shit.

>>3284648
It's not an excuse, it's the truth :| That's how contracts are.

>>3284702
1) Thats how SOME contracts are. Not all or even most.
2) You are not a lawyer. Don't try to be an internet expert on something you don't know shit about.
3) You can't dream up an excuse for why you didn't give out information when you already made a different excuse for it. That ship has sailed.

OP here. For your fuckers sake, I'm going to try emailing SPJA to get a copy of that damned contract. I hope this thread is still here when I get a response.

>>3284673

I had to dig up through an old /cgl/ folder for this.

>>3284675

So your upset that a bunch of people who don't know who you are, doesn't believe something you said (on a board title /DRAMA/ by the way) because you don't have any proof.

>>3284728
Good. Come back when you actually have something to provide that isn't just rumor mongering.

>>3284734
... and what exactly do you feel a random cosplay picture proves? That he didn't lie about attending anime expo years ago?

>>3284757

It proves he's friends with JJ. It also proves he's friends with a few other people.

>>3284722
Neither are you. Anyone with half a brain would know better than to post this information with a name attached to it, regardless if it is fact or fiction. You seriously sound like some pissed off staff member of AX trying to rat this person out.

>>3284763
Last I checked posing in a photo doesn't make somebody "friends" with another person. Masa D. Luffy and JJ most certainly do not have any personal relationship.

I'll also add that he also lied about SMOKING WEED with JJ. Anyone who knows Allie knows she's the LAST person to ever do anything of the sort.

Go ahead, lie some more on his behalf. I'm sure he appreciates it. Assuming this isn't actually Masa himself running and hiding under anonymous again to defend himself.

>>3284606

>"I can't talk about any of it Im sworn to secrecy!"

Actually, this happens a lot, particularly with some of the more popular girls that regularly post cosplays of themselves. They don't want to be seen as sluts, despite that they are 100%. However, this isn't to say that 100% of these cosplayers are like that, nor is it to say that this person you're demeaning ever fucked any of those girls. Being that this is 4chan, I kind of doubt that anybody who would say something like that actually did fuck someone.

>>3284772
Oh get off it. You sound like a moron. If you're not willing to verify simple claims then it means it didn't happen. Welcome to the bullshit world of the internet.

>>3284787
If ANYONE on this board applied that logic to any of those 'drama' threads, then this place would not exist. I'm just wondering why you are flipping your shit for me posting my opinion. I never said anything was fact, and I'm not speaking for OP.

>>3284821
You aren't adding to anything except to defend people on their groundless claims. You're like a publicist trying to employ spin control. Might as well change your namefag to "Boot Licker".

>>3284787

Why is it that this anon is so vehement about validating truth on a board priding itself as a rumor mill?

This is like demanding journalistic ethics in citing sources out of The National Enquirer, Star, etc.

Anon, clearly you have a whiteknight agenda working for AX. At least agree that everything on 4chan should be taken with a grain of salt, and accept that your "CITATION NEEDED" claims won't really mean much in the grand scheme of things, considering the misinformation has already been spread.

If you entertain the idea that "he said she said" rumor milling is enough to pass through the burden of proof filter here on /cgl/, you're wasting your time. By now, anyone who cares about /cgl/ and AX and reads this thread will believe OP regardless if it's true.

tl;dr

>>3284835

^confirmed for SPJA spin doctor

You don't see this kind of pushy fact checking in other drama threads, but just by visiting the AX boards, you can deduce that the same kind of "debunking everything as false no matter what the presumption" mentality pervades even here, when normally it doesn't, which leads me to believe something I've known for awhile: AX staff reads /cgl/, but never openly talks about it or admits it because it would ruin their reputation or their standing.

You can beat around the bush and accuse me without having to bring that topic up, but believe me you've made a firm believer out of me just by being a shitty whiteknight about it.

>>3284839
You make it sound like we're supposed to LOVE lame rumors. Fuck, if I could shoot everyone who posts their stupid "THIS LOLITA IS A BITCH" threads I would do it in a heartbeat.

At least personal rumors can be "fun" sometimes to imagine though. Like Yaya getting deported back to china. This kind of shit is just boring con politics. It's only fun if its true. Which it probably isn't.

>>3284785

Except /cgl/ is different from the rest of 4chan because a large portion of the community does in fact meet up at these various conventions and events, thus you can trace sources back to a very real and tangible person that isn't anonymous.

Tripfags only remove more of that doubt by parading themselves out on the open for the sake of attention, or whatever other excuse they use to justify what they do. Not that I actually care why they do it since it doesn't bother me, but you can observe and infer why they would and it would be reasonable to believe as such.

>>3284858
OMG SCOOBY DOO YOU FOUND ME OUT! I'm really a SPJA lawyer sent by the AX chairman to silence you meddling kids! WE CANT HAVE YOU EXPOSING THE TRUTH!

...which of course you can't, since nothing you say is credible or verifiable. TEAM AX WINS AGAIN!

>>3284868

Everything has an audience. You trying too hard to stamp out conjecture with what's essentially, "PICS OR DIDN'T HAPPEN PICS OR DIDN'T HAPPEN LALALALA" is just as obnoxious and leads me to wonder about your motivations to pursue the truth in this so adamantly.

You can answer back why you would, but I'd have to take that with a grain of salt, because like the people you're casting stones at for lying, you too could lie and say you're just someone looking for the truth.

And if con politics are so boring, why are you so engrossed in them and demand anonymous people on a rumor mill board to comply ethically to truthful facts.

>>3284884

Fact: According to your bylaws, Lattanzio's contract ends this year.

Using humor (that wasn't funny in the first place, might I add) doesn't take away from the fact that you're being a tryhard. Maybe you should take tips from the /fa/ tripfag, he might give you a some pointers on how you can derail this thread better.

>>3284891
I'm "adamantly" pursuing the truth because a) people making up rumors while avoiding any attempts to verify it are just lame. and b) if in the unlikelihood that there IS verification and said person is pushed to finally provide it, then it makes it fun since we actually know its true. Otherwise the whole thing is just left in limbo in bullshit town.

>>3284906
Sorry, dipshit. But you will NEVER dethrone Lord Lattanzio. He's already on a plane to spend the summer in Switzerland to spend the money you gave him at AX. Next year registration will be $100 and you will have to pay a fee to cosplay. WE MAKIN' IT RAIN.

>>3284929

>Skirting around the likelihood that I'm pro-SPJA, if not nose deep in Lattanzio's anus

You're on 4chan, bud. There is no burden of proof. Let it go.

>>3284939

Assuming there'll be an AX next year, considering how much in the red they are.

Face it, your corporate jockey is using people's genuine love for something and turning it into something he can milk you guys for all it's worth before he jumps a sinking ship.

>>3284967
>Assuming there'll be an AX next year, considering how much in the red they are.

Another lame rumor. Care to verify your source on this? Oh, that's right. You're against providing proof of claims.

The whole "charge by the pound" thing for dealers isn't new. I heard about that going all the way back to AX '07 in Long Beach/

Why _is_ AX on Fourth of July weekend?
It's got to be more expensive to rent the convention space, plus hotels and transportation are always tons more expensive during holidays.
And fucking LA in July over 9000 degrees!
Wtf.

honestly I hate to even say it but AX has been slowly going down hill since 00' When they started having problems with staff stealing from booths overnight and doing nothing about it. :/ The booths close up at night, security shuts the doors behind them, then in the morning there are things gone that were certainly there at closing(about $300 from our booth that year). And It wasn't just our booth, other dealers had been hit too. It hasn't been nearly as bad since that year. But still happens a little...

I can back what OP posted about the dealers hall. I work for an anime store that normally goes to Anime Expo, but we haven't sold anything at AX since it moved to LACC. You have to keep in mind that almost all these dealers close their stores and for the weekend work at the convention. Any profits they make at the convention has a very high bar they must pass since cost of the tables, packing the merchandise, moving it into the convention, repacking and moving it back to the store will cost more money than if they had just stayed in the store. So adding additional hurdles just makes the choice of not going even easier for the dealers.

>>3285098
for a year or so like... what was that 1999 or so? anyhow, it was in mid-july.
which was nice.

Nichibei Anime has pulled outta AX forever it seems which really sucks because I bought all my cels from them.
they'd fucking hold ones I wanted for months until AX because they knew I wanted 'em.

>>3285404

yes 99 XD was my first year going with our booth

comparing AX is based on making the staff get rich.. or at least paid..
because of that kind of penny pinching attitude.. i feel thats pretty connected to why AX sucks.

comic con = non-profit
means better quality and no penny pinching.

I'm glad Otakon is my home con. At least they have their shit together.

AX has been on a July 4th weekend for the longest time. If you want to enjoy the fireworks, then go home. Besides, what do you want to do on Day 4 of AX anyways?

>>3285520 If you want to enjoy the fireworks, then go home.

way to miss the point.

Worst case, AX could get moved to Christmas Break :]

>>3285098

Um, if anything it's cheaper. What other conference/conventions would WANT July 4th?

>>3284364
>>3284423
For those who want sources. Here
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-06-29/merchants-object-to-anime-expo-exhibit-hall-changes

>>3285759
I hope the annon demanding proof reads that link and STFU

bumping this thread for more AX talk.

So if there is no more AX, will /DRAMA/ go to Max instead?

I'm really interested in reading about this contract too. I first heard about this and the Union fees BS back in fanime during a very heated conversation with a dealer, but this was before 2011's contract was drafted.

OP, any headway on getting a copy?

We were going to exhibit at AX again next year. We're saving our money and doing Fanime instead

I heard from a manager level staff that the first year AX was at LACC, the union charged AX a huge amount of fees for rooms there weren't being used (they would use the room as the waiting line for panels so people don't gather in the hallway or something) and lost alot of money from that.

>>3287679
>I HEARD FROM AN UNNAMED SOURCE

enough with this shit. quote your sources or stfu.

> had to sell over $9,000

I smell a troll here...

>>3287712

Weaboo News Network had a story on this BEFORE AX opened dipshit.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-06-29/merchants-object-to-anime-expo-exhibit-hall-changes

OP here

>>3285759
Thankyou for the link and the back up! Still no response for that contract.

You know what? I did get a little bit too worked up last night. But to me it's important. I want to show you proof so you too will believe. I still don't have the contract, so I still look like a rumor milling troll, but whatever. When/if I get it, I'll share. Till then, speculate all you will. Take it with a grain a salt. But it's lame to call me a flat out lair just because I don't have proof.

I must say OP, your post was very well written and just summed up the shit-tastic weekend that AX was. Working as a dealer for 5 years for multiple booths I have to say I've never seen so many empty booths before. The fact that my booth was in front and next to two of them made us all feel awkward. And to the anon that was "NO PICS NO PROOF" be lucky you're even hearing this so you know what to expect. AX was a fucking mess this year and many people were seriously hurt profit wise by this. I don't know about you but when Japanese dealers drop from an ANIME con shit don't seem right. But this like everything in /DRAMA/ is just my two cents.

I hope they fix AX because I don't want you faggots fagging up my Fanime

>>3288433
You guys are going to get an INFLUX of dealers next year.

>>3284204
Everything the OP is saying is pretty much on point. I knew on Day 4, ABCTOYFORME is not coming next year and they buy a fucking island dealer space form AX.

OP claims to be a dealer... won't say what dealer he is... is posting on 4-CHAN'S DRAMA BOARD... where cosplayers and con goers, not DEALERS, go...

I'm sorry, but you are not a reliable source for ANYTHING and I'm suspecting half of these "dealers" posting are you samefagging it up, trying to get people NOT to go to AX for whatever reason. Maybe an ex-staffer trying to cause more drama, jealous because they actually pulled it off this year. What-ever. Don't know, don't care!

I'm calling vendetta post, pure and simple. When you actually pull this "contract" out of your ass, I may actually be interested, but it's between the dealers and AX, who seems to actually want to WORK with the dealers, not any of us congoers. So I wish them luck working any issues they may or may not have out. And I wish sandy vag'ed fags like you would knock this drama bullshit off.

>>3288715
OP here. I didn't claim to be a dealer, I claimed I talked to dealers. And yes, all this shit started out as being between dealers and AX. But it does effect the congoer. If we lose dealers, we lose a large experience of AX.

I can't prove I'm not same-fagging, but for what its worth, I'm not. I do appreciate the support though, from those of you out there.

>>3288715
Are daft, dumb, and blind? All of the con community has been on 4chan at some point in time. And were you not their at AX? Did you not see the empty booths there? Most of the Japanese dealers dropped cause of the BS. If so that should give you some good insight as to why this so called "rumor" has surfaced. And no, no one's samefagging it up. People were fucking pissed that they got slighted because of GES. It got so bad that they supposedly got told by AX staff to give everyone free shipping out. I think that was BS and it was really GES trying to cover their asses. Not only that GES is used to holding cons with big named companies like Microsoft and doing events like E3. So wtf do they know about small time sellers? I wish I did have the contract to shut you up, cause it was some BS prices to get a booth in the nosebleed section. And before you said I mad. I fucking am.

>>3288715
Did you even read the god damn links here? It's been posted twice already
>>3288074
>>3285759

ITT thread, anon demands citations then ignores it only to turnaround and call people idiots for not posting their sources.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=131836

BAMP.

>>1496568
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>>1496568
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wow, what a dick move. change the pricing after the final deadline.

Maybe you guys don't understand dealers aren't posting names of the companies or brand, especially when it comes to AX. If they post the name of their companies, and AX snitches are lurking, the companies can very well be blacklisted from Anime Expo and other conventions.

>>3292307

Right. It totally works that way.

Yawn. Keep on rumor mongering. I'm really not sure what you hope to accomplish here, since, like I said, you even pointed out AX IS WORKING IT OUT WITH THEIR DEALERS. Your post title even proves your vendetta. "Ax is going down the shitter."

Anyone who believes you're an unbiased source (or that ANN knows dick for that matter) is an idiot.

Saging again.

smells like the AX staff is trolling this board

>>1466318
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>>1466318
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Been going to AX for over ten years now. This is the first year I didn't get to go for all four days, and I could tell how badly things were going. Next year, I'm planning to go to Fanime instead. I went in 2007 and had a blast.

>>3284204
It was down since they moved to LA. Where would you rather be, near Micky Mouse or near hobos?

>>1499258
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>>1499258
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>>1499258
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>>3292898

>>3284858
The whiteknighting makes me believe OP is even more true. Who the hell even cares this much if dealers return or not? If the rumors are false, you should see the dealers return next year. It is something easily debunked.

>>3292995
old spice remix

>>1498028
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>>3292364
Since when is ANN an awful source the information posted from there is legitimate so don't be hating.

However let's assume we're here to just bash AX and spread bad gossip about them when it comes to their dealer's room. Why don't you show us a source where dealers are defending AX's policies and how they had a wonderful time. If the dealers had such a great time then they wouldn't hesitate to shower the con with praise over the net to counter all the nasty rumor mongers on /DRAMA/ and ANN cause attacking AX would be bad for business for them.

>>3293014
It's hard for it to be legitimate in this case. Chase was fired and he's been talking to ANN after being fired. ANN barely made any contact with CEO because they thought Chase was "good enough" for commentary and false information.