>>2878919
How did you get that picture of my closet?

Oh god that closet...finding shit in there would be like shopping at Old Navy.
Sure, it's all there, but you gotta reach into the depths of hell to find the top you want.

Actually, I like it when it's like that.
Makes shopping more of an adventure.

oops, forgot to namefag

>>2878934
Not on sale days.
I bought two pairs of pants, two hoodies, a pair of shoes and a shirt because that store was a clusterfuck of OH MY GOD SALE.
;___;

repostan all the relevant links from the other thread:

http://www.grimoire.jp/

http://yaplog.jp/grimoire-blog/

http://community.livejournal.com/grimoire_japan/

http://community.livejournal.com/dolly_kei/

http://www.style-arena.jp/en/tribe/0033.html

http://tokyofashion.com/grimoire-shibuya-japanese-dolly-kei-vintage-fashion-wonderland/

http://fyeahlolita.blogspot.com/2010/02/japanese-dolly-style-lolita.html

http://aliceetpeterpunk.blogspot.com/2010/04/dolly-fashion-or-dolly-kei-grimoire.html

http://www.droptokyo.com/pc/ (not directly related, but features dolly kei on a regular basis)

<3 <3 <3

>>2878947
That's way you make sure you're the first one there.
I'm the biggest bitch ever when it comes to shopping on black friday

>>2878999

holy shit that huge-ass bedazzled motherfucking crucifix necklace. i just. i don't even know what to say. it's hilarious and amazing and i want it.

Alright bros, some one is going to have to keep this alive for a while until I get home.
Taco out-

I wish there was a guide for this style or it was more `defined`.

>>2879091

nooo~ anon, that's the whole point! if it was more defined there would be much less possibilities to play around with it. honestly, you get a feel for it pretty quickly from looking at pictures if you've got the least bit of sense of style. then you can easily build around the elements you like best. i, for one, don't care for the boho or 70s elements at all, but i'm really into the antique doll and eastern european fairy tale aspect. honestly, to me as a lolita, it's really refreshing to find & get into a style that is so 'free'.

>>2879130
does not compute!

i've always loved 10sugars' style in lolita, and she's already doing dolly kei so well even if it's just barely emerging in the west ; 3;

>>2879126
Pretty much all of this. I adore Lolita but sometimes it can be kind of rigid.

Can someone define dolly kei since OP left it out of OP post

>>2879156

for real. i was getting kind of tired of lolita, i mean i still liked it but it had lost a lot of its charm and the enthusiasm just wasn't there anymore.
i discovered dolly kei and it was so charming. grimoire's interior played a part too because it's so eclectic, and they intertwine lots of things i'm into: vanitas, taxidermy, broken dolls, wild vegetation taking over, cluster, warm light, religious paraphernalia...
dolly kei itself is a mix of so many influences that i appreciate, antique dolls, eastern european folklore, fairy tales, interesting textures, rich colours, fur, vintage oxidized jewelry...of course, like i said, there's also stuff i dislike: paisley, boho, frumpy things, shapeless layering, 70s crap, etc. but the good thing is, you can work around that. there's no checklist for a coord, no rules. you can pick things left and right and really make it your own. there's a lot of room for interpretation and no compulsory elements: hemlines can be any length, it can be form fitting or poofy, you don't have to balance colours perfectly, you can layer a lot or keep things simple, you can easily mix patterns, and work new things into it: Lily for example has a really distinct style with less warm colours, more black, shorter skirts, more modern elements, and odd additions like snakeskin print tights.
that's why, paradoxically, it has really reinvigorated my love for lolita. i was drifting towards classic anyway but having dolly kei as an inspiration and cross-over possibility opened a window to not have it grow boring and generic too quickly. now i'm thinking up more unconventional coords using vintage garments, more colours, slightly altered silhouettes, i'm having all kinds of new ideas. it really brought back that spark from when i first started lolita.

jesus christ i didn't mean to make this a novel, lol sorry.

It looks somewhat like what my grandmother back home in Europe would wear lol.

>>2879091
You need rules to dress yourself? How sad.

>>2879186

i'll copypaste something which was already a composite of copypasta, lol...

"Dolly-kei takes it´s inspiration from antique dolls and has a very vintage as well as a gipsy-like feeling to it. It´s relatives are Mori (jap.= forest) girls fashion and – although distinct from it - Lolita fashion which has the same doll-like and Victorian elements but the all-over look is more modishly arranged and Japanesquely (“kawaii”) while Dolly fashion has a more European and “wilder”, less princess-like look and rather reminds of the way a more common girl dressed at that time in Europe. This fashion is still in it´s infancy and there aren´t any specific guidelines set yet."

dolly kei is similar to lolita in the sense that it goes for a fairy tale & antique doll like aesthetic, and has a more 'structured' silhouette than mori girl. skirts are often shorter, the waistline is more defined, jackets are tailored more closely to the body and not loose knits like in mori girl. it does have the flowiness and layering of mori though, and also a certain 'rawness' , as opposed to lolita, which is more polished and 'artificial'. its specifics are darker, richer colours, jewel tones, intricate prints and ornate embroideries, lots of floral motifs, and a very eastern european flair (as opposed to mori's scandinavian and lolita's western european inspirations), for example hungarian or russian folklore and traditional dress. i can't help but be reminded of matryoshka dolls, for example! there's also a strong bohemian/gypsy element.

>>2879232

ohhh, that skirt is just darling ; 3;

What's DollyKei? I've never heard of it but it looks incredibly cute!

>>2879219
Oh, come now. Everyone has rules to dress themselves. Even if it's "this doesn't have any stains or holes on it" or "this won't get my ass kicked" -- those are still rules.

THIS ISN'T EVEN LOLITA. FUCK OFF.

</3 ,
THE /c/ IN /cgl/

i saw a lot of these pics being posted to mori-girl threads a lot of times.

no rules? then it's all the same thing.

cute, but i dunno... im a total lolita.

>>2879280
same. and the color coording is awful in most outfits

it kind of bugs me that almost everyone was into goth loli, then everyone got into ott sweet, then everyone's moving to classic and these new mori-dolly-folk-ish styles. all right, it's ok to people to like something, get bored and then move to something else...

but this looks like people's just trying to fit in with everyone else. i thought lolita, as an alt fashion, wouldn't have this kind of thing - "oh, i'll stop wearing this and start wearing that because that's in now!"

i was an ott sweet since my first lolita days and i don't think i would change just because of tendencies.

>>2879258

lol dude, how about you actually have a look at the thread.

>>2878948
>>2879231

plethora of info, right there at your disposal. also, honestly, just looking at all the pictures that were posted so far should give you a pretty solid idea of the aesthetic they're going for.

>>2879331

ohhh, i love that skirt.

moar liek couch-kei,amirite

Oh wow, I love this so much! I was thinking recently about my wardrobe and how I have a lot of old florals, plums, browns, etc that I thought looked sort of bag-ladyish in everyday use but this has given me totally new ideas on how to co-ord them nicely! Thank you.

k guys ima start spamming some kindasorta dolly kei x lolita x otome hybrids because that's pretty much all i have on hand right now. also maybe it'll make this more tangentially related to the board, lol...

RETSU GO~~

>>2879303

they're called trends. mori's popular in gyaru too. it's temporary.

>>2879416

d'you have pictures of mori influenced gyaru? i don't really follow gyaru fashion so i had no idea, i'm really curious as to how they make it work. earthy tones, knits and fur, just not as ample and flowy and layered? (guess it'd be more appropriate for >>2878193 though)

>>2879422

>>2879428

>>2879422

http://universal-doll.com/2010/04/trendwatching-mori-gyaru/ covered it briefly. i don't think it was done well, tho. the natural feel of mori is lost on the more artificial barbie look of gyaru.

>>2879425

i'm surprised they don't necessarily shorten the dresses or make them more form-fitting! i guess the main difference which still makes it gyaru is the attention to hair and make-up, which is a lot more 'wild' in full-on mori. thanks a lot for the scan, really interesting to see how different fashion subcultures interpret the same style/trend!

Mori girl and dolly kei both fall under "otome" style imo
And arr rook same

>>2879463

uh. mori is much, much closer to natural kei/pink house than otome. dolly kei kinda resembles Jane Marple style otome, but meh...honestly compare all these pictures with ETC coords, there's little in common aside from girliness and lace.

>>2879463

do you know where to find more about otome?

>>2878226
>>2878236
>>2878267
>>2878326
>>2878548
>>2878559
>>2878577
>>2878582
>>2878596
>>2878623
>>2878854
>>2878936

all the photos from the previous mori thread which leaned more towards dolly kei. can't be bothered to save them all & repost them.

I am of the opinion that dolly-kei looks like stuff a russian princess from the 1960s would wear.

>>2879489
i see it, however i would have said a russian peasant girl (who wished she was a princess) from the 60s. Or a princess who ran away from home and was kinda raggedy.

>>2879475
Otome is "maiden style"
Like anything that looks maidenly. IE pretty much everything in this thread. And like I said IMO dolly kei/mori/natural/Pink House is all "maiden fashion" to me.

>>2879475

http://community.livejournal.com/lolita_indies/3166.html
http://community.livejournal.com/egl/11318491.html
http://community.livejournal.com/egl/12194587.html
http://community.livejournal.com/egl/12785631.html

http://community.livejournal.com/lolita_indies/

http://blog.emilytemplecute-kyoto.com/
http://community.livejournal.com/emikyu/

http://www.janemarple-stmm.co.jp/
http://community.livejournal.com/danslesalon/

there's the brand Milk, too, but i can't seem to find the site.

>>2879219
I said a loose guide, fucking dipshit.

8D
You guys are awesome.

Well with highly stylized styles like lolita, guidelines are very helpful if you dont want to look like a total moron.

>>2879522

ehhh...they share similar aesthetics, sure, and probably have common roots, but lumping them all in together as if there were no fundamental differences is kinda silly imho. i mean if you wanna go that route, lolita can be pretty maidenly too (mostly classic or old school sweet and gothic), does that make it a substyle of otome as well? naw. i see it more like, both otome and lolita branched out of early natural kei (otome starting to take shape earlier than lolita) and became their own thing. at this point they're too huge to be lumped together. dolly kei might just be a foetus of a style at this point since it's emerged in the past few years, but it's still a very distinct thing.

>>2879528

oh god i'm glad you're back cuz i'm about to go to bed (eurofag here) and i was like 'NUUU GOTTA KEEP THE THREAD ALIVE' xD;

>>2879541
You posted a whole lot.
I'll try my best not to repost. Sleep well~

>>2879536
fairy-kei looks like shit when made by westerns exactly because it doesn't have any concrete rules and people is just too stupid to see THEIR SHIT IS UGLY AS FUCK.

i love my lolita rules and i'll never give up on them

mori is too peaceful to respond to your combat :)
but these clothes are also really cute ^^

>>2879558
Did someone say SPANK!

>>2879569
fuck you dont turn her into a meme. Shes not worth it.

>>2879558
I'd rather have guidlines more then rules.
I want the freedom to pick and choose items that still appeal to the aesthetic I'm going for, while suiting me at the same time.

>>2879569
Oh god. Way to shit on a perfectly pretty thread.

>>2879568
An anon requested for me to make this thread. The original mori thread I posted maxed.

>>2879575
People who follow rules dont have any common sense when it comes to fashion imo. Everybody should have some kind of guidelines though, even if they are just 'wear 2 matching shoes.'

>>2879574
Why? She looks so cute in her SPANK! coord and yellow wig.

>>2879558

yeah well the problem doesn't lie with styles for not having set rules, but with dumbass weeaboo westerners with 0 sense of style/fashion who are apparently blind and can't tell ugly and mismatched from beautiful and coordinated...
i don't get people. i suspect it's because most girls interested in japanese street fashion stumbled upon it through animu and mango, used to only wear sweatpants and twilight t-shirts, and don't know jackshit about clothes/fashion in general.

>>2879592

also that made me sound like i idolize glorious nihonjin for always looking kirei~~sparklesparkle but really there's fail over there too. i guess we only get to see a fraction of it online, but still, sometimes you see a picture and the only possible reaction is 'what were you thinking?!'.

>>2879583
Oh I see... both threads are really cool, thanks for all the awesome pics ^^ such a nice break from lolita bitching.

Everyone has to start some where, eventually(hopefully) those people grow out of that and learn how to decide what does and does not look good on them.
A prime example of someone who hasn't grown out of it yet is of course Pixyteri.

>>2879585

i was about to say that's common sense but then i realized that people in lolita & fairy kei do wear mismatched shoes (& socks)...like two different colours of tea parties for example. i guess it can look okay if done right, but, well, lol.

>>2879599
Have to say, I did go through that "What were you thinking" stage when I was 16 as well.

Gaiz, we really need a spank/fairy-kei thread next.

>>2879621
:(
Why you gotta do a thing?

>>2879599
>>2879592
100%. But I think it has a lot to to with your body type and knowing what looks good... most girls decide what they want to wear before considering that which is a big mistake and they end up looking silly.

>>2879625
Am i the only one who adores fairy-kei? Its so 80s and cute.

>>2879621
no we don't. SPANK! and fairy-kei are overcooked.

>>2879303
I don't think that it's necessarily the case for everyone. Yes, I can tell certain individuals on the lj comm are just diving into mori/dolly because it's "in" and this is a chance at a fresh start for them to become e-famous, but I think a big factor of it is the lawlessness of the fashions. Girls who are tired of having to think "is this lolita" when they pick out coordinates are probably flocking to these styles because omg look, you can wear jeans if you want to, you can leave your wigs behind! Plus, the communities haven't forgotten what it's like to be newbies on the scene yet, so they're much more easygoing and supportive.

Personally I'm more than happy to welcome other ex-lolitas to the fold. I love the creativity they're showing in incorporating lolita pieces into mori/dolly coordinates.

>>2879627
This
I heavily rely on my boyfriends opinion when it comes to buying clothing. Lucky for me, he's brutally honest and wouldn't let me buy something if it didn't look good on me.

>>2879605
basically, this. not everyone is born with a fashion and common sense. at least i know i wasn't - i had my phase of IS THIS RORI? IS THAT RORI? WHAT SUBGENRE IS THIS?.

never been an ita (thankfully), but had to learn the guidelines before starting and trying new things. and, gosh, even developing an actual taste - before i'd just go for something that is "loli", the "is this actually pretty? do i like it?" never crossed my mind.

so, yes, some people need guidelines to start out. they're not rules but they're essential to keep newbies from fucking up, ending on some fucks comm and b'awww-ing later

>>2878927
Actually, that closet is pretty organised, it's just got hella decorations everywhere that in the photo blend with the clothes. Look all her shirts/dresses are hung nicely with shoes neatly tucked under. Got that table with fabric/scarf looking thing rolled up all nice. Better than my entire room.

>>2879631
i love it. i always go " D: wat u mean u don't liek it" when people say it's ugly or something

>>2879303
I recently got into mori-girl because while I liked lolita I could never be 100% committed... but when I saw mori-girl I fell in love and wanted to do it instantly... I still love lolita but it is too restrictive.

Mori girl is ugly, dolly-kei is ugly, fairy kei is ugly. They are all wannabes. They will never be lolita. They will never be elegant, refined or cute. They will never make you look pretty. You will never have little girls come up to you and ask if you are a princess whist wearing it. Sorry.

>>2879676
And to an outsider they all look as crazy as each other, lolita probably looks the craziest of them all infact! Get over it bitch.

>>2879683
This. Sheesh, lolitas really are bitches. Why do you need to run your mouth off at other fashions? We're not hurting you by not joining your hambeast princess parade so back off.

>>2879676
Sorry that i dont need frilly poofy lace monstrosities to 'look pretty'. I have a pretty face and a nice slender body, and therefore 'look pretty' no matter what i wear. You sound like an insecure, bitter girl who tried to hide your ugliness under expensive burando, but failed.

>>2879676
Dont hate because you are too UGLY to wear this shit.

>>2879707
I bet it makes you feel great calling girls ugly who dont need a wig or OTT makeup to feel pretty.
I look good in lolita and mori-girl and spank and any other style you wanna throw at me cause I'm thin and pretty.

>>2879707
At least im rich and can actually afford nice clothes and dont have to resort to shopping at stinky thrift stores LOL.

>>2879718
(ps. I'm a different anon) look, lolita, theres more than one thin pretty mori-girl here! :o

>>2879723
I guess giving to charity is something you'll never understand.

BAWWWW UGLY POOR ASS BITCHES WEARING NASTY SHIT BECAUSE THEY CANT AFFORD BURANDO. GIVE ME THIS ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. WHO'S WITH ME?

>>2879703
You keep telling yourself that.

Nothing will ever beat loli especially not some stupid hobo looking crap. You dolly bitches need to GTFO and take your fail with you.

>>2879742
Why would i lie? You are probably used to being around ugly fatties, especially when you look in the mirror. But there are actually attractive, thin people in the world, believe it or not.

>>2879752
attractive thin people who dont think lolita nor burano is the be all XD

Why can't we all support each other? We all look pretty silly to the norms. It doesnt have to be loli vs mori, or mori vs spank etc.

>>2879755
Exactly.

>>2879390
want that coat D:

>>2879756
Ok, in truth, I agree. But it's not mori, or spank or dolly that started this, its lolita becuase they have somehow developed a superiority complex. Frankly, I like all the fashions, and I thinkt hey have a lot to offer. What I don't like is the way lolita is so restricting and catty... I just want to wear pretty clothing not fit into some box labeled lolita or mori or indie or 80s or whatever it may be.

>>2879739
>has never bothered to go on a japanese non-loli clothes site

it's aaaaall expensive, no matter what style it is. don't care if I'm responding to a troll or not.

>>2879756
>>2879756
THIS!
i actually think certain types of mori or dolly would look really cute with lolita in a photoshoot. maybe not sweet, but gothic or classical would go great in like a fairy tale themed shoot. the gothic lolita could be the witch, the mori girl could be the princess who is forced to wear rags, etc. i don't see why people can't be civil to each other. lolitas at least are always whining that "omg! lolita can't be a subculture! we have no ideas or stories or music or anything, we just want to worship burrando, fuck off!" so if it's not a subculture, why do they need to turn on the us vs them mentality.

>>2879739
this girl looks crazy.

>>2879784
this would be an awesome shoot <3

>>2879676
omfg, are you a princess?!

>>2879784
OMFG anon you have just giving me such a great art project idea <3 brb drawing

>>2879819
post pics when done.
I'm off to uni, and guess what I'm doing there? Making a lolixmorixstyleofawesome screen print D:
ta-ta.
ps. dont let this thread die while Im gone, want to save pics later :)

>>2879819
cool. can you post it here when it's done so we can see it?

>>2879825
I will post pics when I'm done if the thread is still alive :3

ARCHIVE

Lolita, Mori, Dolly, etc are all going to come together and become one mainstream fashion. Watch it.

I've already read the "60 rules of mori fashion" some of them make little sense to me, but the fashion is oh so cute,I hope to pull it off sometime in my life

Anyone care to direct me to the mori thread?

>>2880102
look fer it yerself, ya lazy fuck!

>>2880093
Oooh i hope so. That would make the ultimate style.

Can anyone tell me what exactly is the difference between Dolly-Kei and Mori girl?

They seem almost the same to me, just mori seems to have more earthy tones

This is /cgl/, not /jafash/

>>2880421
yeah so?

>>2880387
Most mori girl is this but in few warm autumney colors and lots of cream colors. dolly key seems to be mori but with more warm autumney colors and a few creamy colors. Otherwise: no difference.

>>2880681
well that's against the rules isn't it?

bump :)

>>2879747
Mori and Dolly Kei have the magic Lolita lost a long time ago.

>>2880740
>remember i posted in here last night
>scroll
>scroll
>...nobody responded with "SCREW THE RULES I HAVE x"?!

My mom dressed like this as a teenager.

My mom as a teenager was awesome though.

>>2881735
Indeed... and where are the 'this is against the rules' comments in the Korean fashion threads?

You guys are still very much awesome
Shameless bump

>>2881832
for you.

>>2879676
Too bad Mori girl isn't trying to be a super kawaii little princess. And basically neither is Dolly kei, no where have a read they're trying to be your special little snow flake lolita.

I cannot comprehend this fashion style and how to wear it because it is composed of special Japanese sparkle magic voodoo dust that confuzzles Caucasians. I do love it though.

It seems the other mori thread got bumped off.
super sad face

>>2881850
I know :(

>>2881848
should check out morigirls LJ community for westerners doing it right :)

>>2881867
I have one, found on DA too.
AND she's not super skinny either.

>>2881875
haha looks pretty skinny to me. But very pretty!

>>2880387

this again...they are similar and do overlap, yes, but there are fundamental differences. think of it like this: mori is scandinavian (or what the japanese perceive it to be) while solly is eastern european (or what the japanese perceive it to be).

mori is about comfort and warmth. it's very wild: hair is generally long, wavy, even a bit tangled. make-up is minimal, the most important aspect being neither eyes or lips but rosy cheeks, to give that healthy living outdoors look. mori is extremely layered and flowy (some would say shapeless and frumpy, heh), hemlines are rarely above the knees. there's lots of fur, wool, and knits. colours are generally neutral, earthy tones, or very subdued dusty pastels and jewel tones. clothes are often a bit worn out, with patches and frayed edges. accessories aren't all that important, and generally carry a vegetation/flower or forest theme: crowns made of wines and flowers, dried flowers in antique gold lockets, owl pendants, etc. jewelry is kept to a minimum, or made of natural materials such as leather and yarn. shoes are generally flat, heels are too sophisticated and impractical (who would wear heeled pumps while living in the woods?). emphasis isn't laid on being girly in the conventional sense: think San from Mononoke hime, she's a (beautiful) girl, wears adornments, but is completely untamed, and doesn't experience vanity.

cont'd from >>2881913

dolly on the other hand is a lot more structured. hemlines can reach from the upper thigh to the ankles. dresses, tops and jackets are a lot more fitted, emphasizing the silhouette/waist. hair and make-up are more elaborate; there are unnatural hair colours, shorter, more structured cuts, eyeshadow and lipstick. the mori girl is a peasant living in the woods, the dolly girl lives in the village or is a princess, even. dolly kei has the layering of mori, but it's much less of a requirement and rarely makes the silhouette as bulky as in mori. textures are more rich and varied: there's prints and embroideries, more elaborate textiles, silk, velvet, corduroy. colours are a lot more vivid: bright reds, golds and greens, deep jewel tones, plum, indigo, wine red...there's a lot more accessorizing, fake flowers, brooches, curtain tassels worn as necklaces, antique jewelry, headdresses/headbands, etc. shoes are more modern, and often heeled. lots of colourful and patterned socks and tights. dolly kei is more sophisticated. it takes its inspiration from antique dolls, eastern european/russian folklore, fairy tales. it's wilder than lolita, but not quite as wild as mori. motifs are also more diverse: vanitas/memento mori, including taxidermy (fox stoles, animal skulls used in accessories such as headdresses or chokers, etc), religious imagery/paraphernalia (loads of crucifixes), bohemian and gypsy style, 70s cuts and prints (paisley), broken dolls, etc etc.

>>2880695

there are most definitely other differences, most notably regarding silhouette, accessorizing, motifs, and hair + make-up.

please see:

>>2881913
>>2881915

for more detailed descriptions/comparisons.

All my mori and dolly kei images are lumped together in one folder and I often find it hard to tell which is which. D:

Is there really such hate between these two styles and lolita? I love all of it, and plan on mixing my favourite aspects of them together whenever I can.
This sort of reminds me of the whole lolita vs. gyaru thing that only really seemed to exist on gyaru_secrets. Apparently anon gyaru were "so tired of lolis hatin on us!!!" while the lolitas where just like, bwuh?

I just want everyone to get along you guise.

>>2881918
thanks, that was really insightful :)

also guys, can we please please stop the ridiculous ~rivalry~ and mud throwing going on? there's really no point...natural kei/pink house, otome, mori girl, dolly kei, and lolita have so much in common and overlap a lot (fairy kei is another thing imho but does have strong links with the direction sweet lolita has been taking, and i for one like it as well, even if i personally dress more classic lolita), you'd think most people into either of those styles would appreciate the aesthetics of the others or at least respect the people who are into the others. we all look like freaks to outsiders anyway.

tl;dr Y DONT WE ALL GET ALONG GAIZ :'(

<-- would totally work for dolly kei.

<-- this, too.

>>2881925

thing is, it's very easy to mix both styles, so a lot of pictures floating around aren't distinguishably dolly or mori but a bit of both. they're two distinct styles (i explained it in detail above) but are kinda like fashion siblings, they have the same basic genetic material :p so you can totally fuse the two (wow that sounds like i'm encouraging clothing incest or something). they're also more distantly related to natural kei, otome and lolita, so you can totally mix elements from the one with the other. ~*endless possibilities*~ :p
also i really don't get all the hate. i think it's just /cgl/ stirring drama for the hell of it because there's absolutely no reason for animosity and i haven't noticed it anywhere else. -shrug-

>>2881954

also Sae is such a good example. she dresses in OTT Angelic Pretty fairy style sweet lolita but also mori girl (i remember seeing her in mori girl a while back and just thinking 'what the fucking fuck is this' because she was like...wearing a wig/extensions as a belt or something, lmao) and is now dwelving into dolly kei or at least mixing elements of dolly kei with her usual mori/natural kei outfits.