thanks for the extra dramu.

no, seriously. it was funny as hell.

You're just a bundle of happiness, aren't you?

which ones were directed at her?

While I believe in being nice to one another but your post wasn't even all that bad.
From what I understand when people try to tell her what to improve she ignores it and only listens to the praise.

Thanks anon. Our drama stash was running low. This should carry us through to the middle of March. :)

>>2672161
#21 and #39 definitely

#16 maybe, but could also refer to a lot of other people too

>>2672176
I would not have guessed the bad apple one.

But the corset one, and the guideline one... yup

did anyone else notice that the mod keeps deleting comments about her? and yet she could go on and on and bawww in wank about that skinny lolita secret...

where do I read these secrets?

>>2672192
Really? For me, the apple one was obvious, but I wasn't so sure about the guidelines one. Someone also said that the "you're ugly on the inside" (the secret with the eyes) was about her, but 1839473-whoever mod deleted the comment.

>>2672197
http://community.livejournal.com/egl/

this one is, for sure. someone posted the original picture on here and someone (same person, idk?) made it a secret. Hooray for tracing her waist.

>>2672194
I noticed it too because one of my comments disappeared. I have a feeling sleepingapple might be asking her to do it.

Now can we please get celticfreefall gtfo of lolita?

>>2672194
Yep. She deleted a thread on the last secrets post, where anon had agreed with woobwoob that it wasn't about her weight, but her outfits/attitude/personality. Then:

sleepingapple: omg my corset only takes in 2 inches MAX ((*notice that she ignored anon saying people didn't like her attitude/personality, jumps on the thing about her appearance as always**))

anon: ... BS

SA: thanks for telling me about my body!

anon: (something like) we can tell from pictures. Oh and good job harassing woobwoob via PM, guess you aren't so nice.

Then - poof, all those comments magically disappeared.

>>2672253
Her, I don't mind. She wears lolita and she recognizes that she was a big bitch back in the day and can still be bitchy.

>>2672253
I would LOVE to get rid of that bitch, but I know she wouldn't freak out like SA did. She'd pretend to think it's funny and call us all edgy trolls.

Not really sure what would get to her, would need to do some serious digging.

guidelines secret

>>2672237
Wow, what bullshit. If it was someone like sugarcakesales or *insert generally hated/dislike girl here* asking for comments to be deleted, they'd still be up. Ass kissing mods kissing mods kissing mods... :/

rotten apple secret

I still wonder what exactly she told woobwoob.

>>2672274

Yeah she wears lolita but there is nothing special about her or her outfits. I don't get why people always call her gorgeous because she looks really plain.
She doesn't look that great yet she criticizes everyone.

But she doesn't bug me as much as kai_nimura. That girl is ugly and has crappy outfits as well yet criticizes everyone else. She should go look in the mirror.

>>2672315

--- sleepingapple wrote:
> I commented to you, but it is screened. Have the copypasta:
> "How about, when a person is offended and hurt by a secret, it constitutes a personal attack. And then the comments open up to just ream into that person, and it becomes even more humiliating. Have some compassion.
> Somehow I have the feeling that you were the one who made last week's secret, considering your comment on my last entry (despite the fact that you completely ignored by reply, which linked to the lolita_handbook, and explained why I felt my coordinates were Lolita)."
> You've been commented a lot on this drama. Why does this matter to you? My feelings were extremely hurt and I was frankly fucking humiliated, especially by the comments. Isn't that enough?

>>2672380
---woobwoob wrote:
>I actually didn't know you responded to me on that d_l post. I don't receive email notification of replies as the inbox spam annoys me, and I never went back to the post to look. I guess I would have responded but seeing as you deleted everything, it's a little late now. IIRC a couple other people at least hinted at the same thing I said to you on that post, they weren't as blunt about it but I got the impression others were thinking what I was thinking.
>I only saw the first few comments on the secret, seemed like it was deleted pretty fast, so I'm not sure what exactly people said about you later on that was so horrible. Not the secret maker, I just agree with it. I've mostly lurked on d_l for the last year or so, I've seen a lot of your past posts.
>I honestly have never really seen people complaining about you, on egl or where ever as I don't go there as much, so I'm not sure where all the drama is coming from. I'm fairly new to getoffegl so if there was some past wank on there I definitely missed it. Like I said, I've just seen a lot of your d_l posts. I always kind of wondered why very few people -if anyone- ever said anything to you about it.
>I still stand by what I said about personal attacks. There's a difference between that secret and some one totally ripping you a new one. Of course the comments are a different story. I suppose loli_secret mods could hang around the day of the secret post to delete off topic/overly nasty comments, but that's a little bit unrealistic. Sorry I can't really offer you a solution to that.

>>2672387
---sleepingapple wrote:
>I honestly couldn't care less about the secret itself my , nor do I care about your or anyone else's opinion; enough people enjoyed my posts that I continued to post them. Don't like it? Don't click. The following comments were terrible, and *that* is what I have a big problem with. If you let through personal attacks on the community, the comments turn into a cesspool of anonymous cruelty. I got called a slut several times, and a "pervy teacher," not to mention fat and ugly about a dozen times, and people were making ridiculous judgments about my body. I'm sorry, but lies that could cost an educator her job are heartless and completely unacceptable; my breast size (because, yes, that is where the "slut" comments come from; I've looked like this long enough to know that big breasts automatically equal "slut"), and my teaching ability have nothing to do with Lolita, and nothing to do with each other. Had anyone said this to me in person, I would have pressed charges for slander; this kind of comments can honestly cost a person her job if the wrong people hear them. And frankly, the fact that you don't give a shit about any of that, or the fact that I was exceptionally hurt tells me worlds about the kind of person you are, that you value the lulz over a person's feelings and livelihood.

>>2672396
---woobwoob wrote:
>I'm not sure why you're messaging me if you don't care what I think, and think I am a terrible person. I won't be responding to any further PMs as I think you just want to judge me for disagreeing with you. I myself never made any of these ridiculous or crude accusations about you. I'm sure picking someone to blame for all of this makes you feel better but I'm not going to put up with it.

Duplica sometimes posts pictures that aren't very lolita. How come people don't call her out on it?

>>2672396
Wow, way to overreact. Also "lies that could cost an educator her job are heartless and completely unacceptable" -- but HER posting pictures of herself with her tits wrapped in duct tape, hanging out, and her mouth in a dick sucking position wouldn't cost her her job?

Standard Sleepingapple fare, though. Dig into one person, baww, cry about it, and act superior. Just like when someone said "I have a feeling your comments are more heated and coming from a personal place because you yourself are plus-size" during that whole "SKINNY GIRLS DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIIIKE" wank and she went into this big rant about how "See what she's doing, ladies and gentlemen? She's saying LOOK AT SLEEPINGAPPLE, SHE'S A BIG DUMB FATTY, NOTHING SHE SAYS MATTERS!!" ... and that was after denying that she was anywhere near plus size.

>>2672416
People used to, but got jumped on by duplica and her friends for it each time. Basically the response nowadays to anyone popular is for her friends to chime in with "Well it's how SHE wears it!" or "just because it's not OTT AP!"

Or, they do what sleepingapple does, and basically go "Well I personally feel they're lolita, so, w/e."

>>2672396
wow, she's REALLY flipping out

>>2672435
"I don't wear socks, petticoats, or blouses but I'll link you to the lolita handbook so you can see for yourself that I am still a lolita"

>>2672380
>>2672387
>>2672396
>>2672406
So... she ignores everything woobwoob said, blames it all on woobwoob because clearly only one person could think she's not wearing lolita, and then cries about how it could've cost her a job because some anons on some loli_secret community were calling her a fat slut? That's what'll do it? Not her posting "sexy" pictures online, or wearing outfits that emphasize her breasts? Though "if someone told this to me in real life, I'd sue them for slander" just made me lol really hard. Really? So if someone drives by her on the street and yells out "FAT SLUT" she tracks them down and sues? Though this explains why she thinks that if her school administration made a note about her wearing corsets that make her chest pop out in a freakish way would be sexual harassment, omg.

Ugh. I still can't fucking get over how she's b'awwwing and flouncing so hard over this shit. Harden the fuck up sleepingapple. Seriously.

>>2672326

That's dumb shit. People should get called out for it whether or not they're popular.

>>2672490
Seriously? Pixyteri handled her n00dz being posted on here with more grace.

http://community.livejournal.com/loli_secret/81702.html?thread=7041062#t7041062

my favorite sleepingapple thread.

she flip flops so much... I'm not fat, I'm nowhere NEAR big enough to fit into plus size clothes, oh but I identify as fat not plus size, and of course "EDIT: Of course anon brought up my weight. And by doing so she was merely proving my point. What she hoped to accomplish by pointing out that I am fat was, "Hey guys, look! [info]sleepingapple is fat! This means we don't have to listen to what she's saying! Fat people are all stupid, remember?" According to society, the voices of fat people do not matter, because fat=stupid, and a complete other host of unpleasant things. Anon illustrated this perfectly."

http://community.livejournal.com/loli_secret/81702.html?thread=7144486#t7144486 is my favorite comment of the whole wank, though.

>>2672495
well, the main problem is that the people who normally "call people out" for bad/non-lolita outfits are... the getoffegl crowd. And making a post about one of the more popular members is basically guaranteed to end in macros or "omg get over it" or them digging up and over-analyzing your photos. Like when people were digging up courtingdicords near nude shots and taking the piss at them -- sleepingapple didn't seem to have a problem humiliating courtdiscord, now did she?

>I got called ... fat and ugly about a dozen times

Come on, we can do more than a dozen.

Clearly, someone who overreacts and accuses people with no evidence should be a sales community moderator.

>>2672555
well, the admin knows what she did and didn't seem to think there was anything wrong with it - stay classy, I guess

>>2672513

Then /cgl/ needs to fucking raid getoffegl, show dem bitches that there are people that hate them and their fame can't get their ass covered!

>>2672686
>raid getoffegl

funny, you sound just like the girls on getoffegl who think spamming old asian boy band macros is hilarious

"Privilege exists. To deny it is to stick one's head in the sand."

but... she sticks her head in the stand about anything she does that garners criticism, so why is she bitching?

egl FFA
yay kpop macros
so random XD

>>2672502
from that post: "It's honestly a difficult thing to get. I had to do a lot of reading before any of this made any sense to me. It was hard for me to say to myself, "I am a racist because I am taking part in a racist system." I don't hate anyone based on his or her race, but that doesn't change that I am a member of the privileged race, and my life is a lot easier because of that. "

... no, honey. No.

Anonymous: "No. Quite simply, you're wrong. I am not contributing to the race crisis simply by existing and being white (and working a shit retail job for minimum wage while living in a rat trap apartment - what white privilege?)"

Sleepingapple:
You were able to get a job, at least

wat

WAT

post in which sleepingapple admits to tightlacing

http://community.livejournal.com/fatshionista/5361811.html?thread=123124371#t123124371

>>2672882
Why is she lying about it?

The truth is no one would care if she would of stopped bragging about her boob-waist measurements everywhere she posted.

http://community.livejournal.com/loli_secret/77204.html?thread=6342804#t6342804

>>I'm not prejudiced-My! that word does get thrown around quite a bit!

ahahhaHAHAAAAA

>>2672882
but she doesn't tight lace! Her corset only takes in 2 inches maximum!

>>2672927
Gee, who do I know that throws around prejudiced and racist like they're candy?

>refers to skinny wank post

ohhhh right.

Her obsession with Tifa is pretty laughable. I think she actually believes that her body looks like Tifa's.

http://community.livejournal.com/fatshionista/5519985.html

>For reference, my measurements are: 45"/34J bust, 33" waist, 44" hips, 190lbs.

I've seen her say she's 5'5" tall also...so her BMI is 31.6

That's well over obese. How is she not plus size again?

>>2673055
Also honestly I don't believe for a second she's as low as 190lbs.

>>2673055
>BMI

>>2673055
Oooh, where did you find that BMI thing? Can it be used for oposite/anorexic girls?

http://community.livejournal.com/fatshionista/5615745.html?thread=128396161#t128396161

>>2673055

Bitch is lying through her teeth about that waist measurement. There are pics of her without a corset and she looks less shapely than her "I can't breathe" poses. I posted secret no 8. She should just fess up and quit acting so immature about this. She could've handled the drama in the way everyone was saying she was. Instead she harasses woobwoob and is baww'ing about the meanies on /cgl/ who are making slander up. God did she forgot someone made a simple comment about her lolita coords (and the lack of them)?

>>2673065
while BMI isn't always good to use, in her case, yeahhh it shows. Some of the weight is in her tits, but she's overweight if not 'low' in the scale of obesity. (obese =/= always super super huge people)

>>2673074
I love everything about that... but her face.

>>2673083
Her hair is what bothers me the most. Her face is okay :/

>>2673055
Holy shitfuck, there's no way in hell she's not plus sized. She's nearly twice my weight, four extra inches in height does not balance that out.

>>2673055
Dude - if she's 5'5 she does NOT have a 33" waist. Mine is 31" and she's like 50 times fatter than I am :\

>>2673055
wtf on that post... "if you're under a 16W, you can't post an outfit of the day! Even if you're 12, which is considered plus size"

>>2673074
how the fuck? I see the thumbnail, click to fap. pic loads - boner gone. this is internet cruelty, man!

>>2673055
Yeahh, no. She fits into plus size clothes. But she likes to wear a corset and pretend she can fit into "regular" sizes so that she can go on and on about the struggles of being a big titted girl who isn't plus size but like, people think she is!

>>2673103
lol this happened to me. just an unattractive chick, trying to do everything in her power but still inherently unattractive.

>>2673055
omg u gaiiz thanks for telling her about her body!!11! pictures dont' mean you knowwwww

>>2673074
icantfaptothis.jpg

BAWW BAWW BAWW BAWW.

*Runs out of the room crying like a 13 year old in a 26 year old's body*

>>2673119
She's 26? And she's acting like this? I thought she was 20 or something, and maybe student teaching for a class.

she's not plus size

http://community.livejournal.com/sf_drama/2179134.html

http://community.livejournal.com/getoffegl/327324.html

hmm. So, she can post other people to wank things, stir up shit about them, trash talk, etc, but the moment it's done about her -- she cries and flounces and freaks and says "this just tells me so much about what type of person you are!!"

bump

>>2673138
Sarcasm? Probably
I'm in between normal size and plus sized, the normal sized cloths are a tad bit tight, but when I wear plus sized clothing, it tends to hang a little looser than what I would like, I'm plus sized in the bust area, but a size 9 in the hips and waist. My boobs are two cup sizes smaller than sleepingapple, and I have a 30 inch waist. She DEFINITELY doesn't have a 33 inch waist no way. Before I lost 22 pounds I was at a 36 inch waist and my waist looked a lot smaller than hers. She's got some s'plaining to do...I would say her true measurements are 46-38-43

>>2673144
Of course. She used to be pretty active on getoffegl, I've even seen her say she misses it.

I would trade in my vote to participate in sleepingapple drama if somebody wants to start shincaru drama.

>>2673292
You're late for that.

maybe she's confused and thinks her massively corseted waist is her normal one?

>>2673300
Pfffffft, we all know we're here and resurrecting this shit because the loli_able drama fell flat on its face.

I wish she would do something pubicly bitchy that the loli_secret mods don't cover up. I want a good excuse to post her to getoffegl and not get a flood of "omg it's been 2 weeks/get over it" crappola

>>2673319

I can imagine once she unleashes that corset an ocean of flab must come out.

>>2673326
You could repost the woobwoob PM that was in this thread, I don't think the text was in the gtfo post.

>>2673326
Why would they? I think the vocal little shits are actually shutting up because 1. semester started and 2. uh, semester started? GIven the timeframe, nobody's going to shit on your inbox.

>>2673332
I could, if they don't mind... hmmm. I mean, I already know it'll be 99% whiteknighting of her bitchy ass anyway, lol. Still, it would be interesting in seeing her react to being on the other end of the getoffegl drama. She loves to bitch and chime in on wank about other people!

In either case it's 3 am and I have to get to bed so I won't be a zombie for work.

>>2673340
Oh, they'll whiteknight her, no matter the time of year.

But either way, going to bed at the moment. I'll try to put something together tomorrow.

>>2673319
EVERY TIME

You know I posted my secret about getoffegl being a bunch of fail whiteknights and pussies hoping getoffegl would learn. Pfft. No. Even if this bitch says stupid shit and acts superior to others because "She knows what plus size lolis feel like", they'll still defend her.

She's confusing.

She says she's not "plus size" - she's fat. So maybe I thought she was saying that to be like "I hate 'PC/sugarcoating' terms" or something. But no, she gets on the defense when anyone calls her plus size and says she is nowhere even NEAR fitting into plus size clothing. (I assume she's in the US? Plus size tends to start at 12 there, iirc?) She is at least a 16. I don't know why she think sthat her tits are all that's big. They're honestly not even that big, when compared to her waist.

>>2673377
UK 16 is US 14.

DO YOU LIKE BIG BREASTS?

>>2673421
No, not really.

>>2673421

omg ikr!!! the first time i saw her icon and didn't know who she was and shit...i was like:
ITA / HENTAI OTAKU ALERT!

even worse when i found out she is actually a mod for anything to do with lolita....seriously?

>>2673319
ew

i'm smaller than her and I am a 16-18... She needs some kind of reality check.

"if anyone had said this to me in person, I would've pressed charges for slander."

I'm sure you would, sweetheart. Have you pressed charges for slander on all the people to have called you a fat pig in your life? I can only assume she was horribly teased because of her weight, since she's so paranoid and defensive about getting called plus sized.

>>2674165
she's too far into her denial to accept one

>>2674226
insulting someone =/= slander, wtf.

I would still gently caress her but wow what a psycho bitch

Fuck you, OP.

so she deleted all of her shit on lj and you're STILL talking about her? what do you want?

>>2674596
cry moar

>>2674538
insulting comments are defamation. sometimes the law requires that the insult be false, or that you you communicate this to someone other than the subject of the insult, but this is not always the case.

two subcategories of defamation are libel and slander; slander is constituted of transitory comments, while libel refers to more permanent publication like text.

in this case, it would be a libel.

>>2674226
I honestly doubt she would win any sort of case against that... especially since, afaik, a lot of slander suits require that the words be directed towards someone *else* (aka going around telling people she's a slut -- and even then, I'd imagine it would have to be "She sleeps with her students" rather than "she dresses slutty") rather than telling the person that they're talking crap about.

>>2674642
wouldn't it be slander, since she's saying that if someone called her a fat slut in public (aka what people on loli_secret trolled with before the secret was pulled, I assume, since nobody has caps) she would sue them for slander.

>>2674620
For her to not act like a big baby and attack random people for ~~daring~~ to say publicly that her outfits weren't lolita?

can anyone hack photobuckets?

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a24/JenGrainger/

>>2674642
Could you really go to court and say "Person A called me a slut"? I don't think a rude verbal comment is enough for a lawsuit.
She could potentially use things written online if it was threatening her job or something, but again I think that's more trouble than it's worth and she wouldn't really get anywhere and most of it got bahleeted. Laws haven't been adapted for the Facebook generation, so online harassment is a gray area.

>>2674697
Different anon, but from what I've read, it has to be enough that it would affect your job or business. So... no, saying she's a fat slut isn't. Even on loli_secret, where she was apparently called a pervy teacher, I would imagine that "They said I was (and again, no caps so who knows what went on) a pervy teacher on some obscure secret posting community!" probably wouldn't do much.

She just overreacts to everything, really. She's like that person who was like I'M CONTACTING THE FBI!! because people were talking about his public pictures being slutty.

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So wouldn't it not even matter, since she willingly posted the picture of herself that made people call her slutty? The duct tape on her boobs and open :O mouth.

pretty sure unless they were saying she fucks her students or something other than an insult, she wouldn't even have a case.

>>2674760
They did, actually. Someone also asked "so does she sell herself for lolita clothing".

woobwoob should threaten to sue sleepingapple for harassment! And then the cycle of threatening to sue on the internet would be complete.

I have a feeling all the fat slut/pervy teacher/etc comments came from one person. Because it's really random, when you think about it. "You're not lolita, you're just not" suddenly sparking a bunch of comments about her being slutty? Even on the threads here before that secret, it wasn't "omg that slut" it was "does she really go to school with that corset on?" and "I hope her school never finds the picture of her duct tape bra..."

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Sleepingapple has standing to sue because people are passing off the "she is a fat slut" comments as fact, and insists upon having "proof" of it.

I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to lolita drama, so why is it people are hating on SA so much? She seems pretty cool from what I've seen of her posts before all the wank got started.

>>2674822
Where has anyone said they have "proof" of her being a slut? And if you're going to refer to the deleted loli_secret comments, then she has no standing at all with those, because they're gone.

By her logic, I could bring someone to court for slander, for yelling out "FAT SLUT" as they walked by me in the street. Name-calling generally does not fall under defamation laws because it is nearly impossible to prove to be an intentionally false defamation.

If people can rant on about the president of the US being a crazy nazi socialist asshole, I'm sure people on the internet can call some girl a fat slut.

>>2674814
Agree.

She seems almost glad this troll came along, I think. I think it gives her justification to feel bad and act like this. I wish I could convince a friend who's on her f-list to do screen captures of her journal. Apparently, she's made a few f-locked posts denouncing the community and saying some pretty nasty things. It kind of upset my friend because she had always thought SA was cool for some reason.

>>2674825
This sums it up, I think:

-She posts a lot of outfits that people don't consider lolita to lolita communities.
-When people give her crit on these outfits, or suggest ways to make them lolita, she waves them away and says "Well, I feel like I am "into" the fashion enough to be able to exclude certain elements and my outfits are lolita." She also says they're 'casual' lolita, and again waves off people who tell her that even casual lolita should look lolita.
-She talks about her breasts a lot. Her default icon used to be of Tifa saying 'YOU LIKE BIG BREASTS?' and just about all her now-deleted daily_lolita posts had cut text, if not regular text in the post, referring to her chest.
-She maintains that she has a natural hourglass figure (and not one given to her by a corset) and that she isn't plus size, but then seems to act like she does consider herself plus size when it's convenient. She claims that her corset doesn't take in a lot of inches, but, comparisons via photos show differently.
-She enjoys trash talking on getoffegl -- she even simply commented on sf_drama, after she became a moderator, in order to get around the "no wanking" rule. But as seen by this recent drama against her, she can't take what she dishes out.
-I think the "slut" comments came from a picture she posted to a fat outfit community, where she was showing off ample cleavage in only a duct-tape top, her stomach folding over some tight spandex pants, and some provocative poses. Though the slut comments only started after the OP secret was posted to loli_secret, so, idk.
-And now people are annoyed that she completely overreacted by deleting all her pictures and PMing someone who had been polite while explaining why they didn't think her oufits were lolita calling them horrible and terrible and bawwing.


... yep.

>>2674890
Conspiracy theory: Sleepingapple spammed the secret with things about her being a slut and prostitute in order to have more justification for it being removed.

>>2674917
That's what my friend thinks.

>>2674890
She didn't say anything that nasty about the community except the one liner about how she didn't like most of the people on it.

>>2674930
In her journal?

>>2674936
Yeah

I wonder if the loli_secret mod will ever answer my query was to why a thread with sleepingapple was removed, where I pointed out that she'd been harassing woobwoob, when sleepingapple has said far worse things to people on there (aka "you're racist! you're terrible!") and it's been left up.

>>2674939
Share posts and commentz. I'm dying to know since my friend is being honorable and holding out.

Aw guys c'mon, friends lock should be respected. Don't give her more of a reason to feel justified in feeling like a ~victim~

>>2674941
Right? I think she's SA's friend so she must be in an awkward position, but she still needs to address the fact that Apple is harassing her. Though, I think the mod also believes that woobwoob is the one who started it all so she's turning a blind eye. Unless both of them have proof that it was absolutely her (do they?) then it should be taken care of.

>>2674943
The comment's aren't that interesting. It's just her friends supporting her. Will go back and see if there is anything new.

Her posts-
2/28
Guess I must be really famous now for people to be posting personal attacks against me on the secrets community : / My [info]daily_lolita is completely deleted, and I won't be posting any pictures anymore.

3/2
I still hate [info]egl, and almost everyone there.

I will most likely be abandoning this username and creating a new one. I will be resigning as a moderator of the sales community, and creating a new username that will not be involved in the Lolita communities. Frankly, I have too much real life stress to put up with this shit from people online, but I am so happy with all of the friends I have made on this site, and want to continue to talk to them with a different name.

>>2674949
They have no proof. Just sleepingapple saying "well you commented saying my outfits weren't lolita before! why are you so obsessed with me!"

I'm also irritated that the EGL admin didn't address sleepingapple bitching out woobwoob via PM. That's ridiculous.

>>2674950
I shouldn't be loling this hard, but this does show me a lot about her character. All it took was one person saying she wasn't lolita and some trolling "slut" comments for her to delete everything and leave "lolita" (not that she ever even wore it) and the mod position.

>>2674846
If you have no proof, then don't bring up the fatshionista duct tape photo as if it proves anything. Also, yes, calling out "fat slut" in public is considered libel. The only reason libel and slander isn't taken to courts so damn often is because of legal fees.

The President of US is not a personalty, it's a title. It applies under the same rule as companies.

>>2674950
and all because of this secret?
>>2672146

lol

>>2674965
Word

AND DUCT TAPE PICTURES PLZ. WHAT IS THIS OUTFIT THAT PEOPLE KEEP MENTIONING?

>>2674903

Ah, I see now.

bitches, whores, skanks, sluts, vendetta, in short: women, all up in this thread.

Where the fuck is all the fap material and good trolling? Tripfags, anons trolling the fuck out of tripfags and all that good shit.

>>2674975
I think you must have /cgl/ confused with something else. /b/ is the second link from the left and straight on until morning, anon.

>>2674967
I didn't bring up the duct tape.

lol what. You know what I'm talking about - if you can call Obama a crazy nazi bastard, you can call some chick online a fat slut.

Also, even checking Google about libel and slander might help you out in terms of what is and isn't libel. Libel being for written and published statements might be start.

>>2674957
Then if they have no proof numbers-secrets-mod needs to put on her big girl panties and step in.

>>2674982
Why, thank you ma'am.

>>2674967
A statement must be false in order to be considered libel. Libel must also be presented as a fact. Opinions are not considered libel even if they damage a person’s reputation. Statements that are considered “fair comment and criticism” also do not qualify as libel.

ARE YOU HAPPY NOW

good night sweet princess

>>2674989
You are not calling "Obama" the person a bastard, you are calling the President of the United States and his capacity as the President as being bad. You couldn't give two shits about say, the way he washes dishes.
>>2674994
As long as you don't state it outright as your personal opinion, it is libel. I also don't think you have any idea what "fair comment and criticism" are, if you really think "fat slut", "pervy teacher" constitutes such. Same with the deleted loli_secrets. If there is no retraction statement, the libel's considered to be continuing.

>>2674989
Oh, and guess what typed text on the internet constitues, dumbfuck.

>>2675000
Yeah, but yelling "IT IS MY OPINION THAT YOU ARE A FAT SLUT" out the window of a moving car can be kind of hard depending on how fast you're going.

Comments from her journal-

SA: I wasn't really pissed off about the secrets-it was the comments. I was most angry about the sexual comments. In person, I would have pressed charges for slander; those kinds of comments to the wrong people could cost me a teaching position, which is why I deleted everything. Body politics-in which big breasts always ALWAYS=dirty slut. Because women who enjoy sex are evil.

>>2675005
Just say I THINK YOU'RE A FAT SLUT. Learn to be consise. Same thing with lolitaburger, there's a reason why there are words like OPINION and THINK and BELIVE and SUPPOSE in caps.

>>2675003
But guess what sleepingapple said and what people were talking about before you came in with your comment, dumbfuck?

"Had anyone said this to me in person, I would have pressed charges for slander"

She doesn't mention charges for libel.

>>2675010
*concise. Also totally forgot my sage.

>>2675013
All I am saying is that she has every right to press charges for libel, just be glad she's a pisspoor teacher.

In person, she wouldn't have much of a case. Slander is a lot harder to prove than libel. Can you imagine her going into court saying, "This person came up to me, and said I was a fat slut! This has damaged my reputation to the point where it's affected my job."

Online, maybe. It's very murky. Especially that there are no caps of what went on, and so it would just be her saying "This happened!" with no way to get proof that it happened and that it affected her in a way that the law requires. In published print, it's somewhat more clear cut:

"Some persons mistakenly think that all expressions of opinion are protected. That is not true if the opinion relates to factual matters. For example, it would be libelous to say or write, "In my opinion, John Doe violated 8 USC 1324a." Similarly, newspapers cannot protect themselves from libel lawsuits simply by printing "allegedly" before defamatory comments. However, if the writer expresses an opinion unrelated to underlying facts, he or she is okay. In a letter to the editor, a person can say "In my opinion, columnist Joe Smith has a liberal (or conservative) bias."

>>2675006
>>Body politics-in which big breasts always ALWAYS=dirty slut. Because women who enjoy sex are evil.

>>2675037
LOL

>>2675006
Because big breasts = you enjoy sex? Interesting.

ALso we all know she deleted everything because she was embarrassed and she overreacts. How would the pictures being up affect her career? The comments are what would have any effect. Though personally I think the picture from fatshonista would be more damaging than some random comments online calling her fat or a slut.

>>2675044
>>Because big breasts = you enjoy sex?

OMG BODY POLITICS. SLANDER! I'LL SUE.

http://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamation

merely labeling a statement as your "opinion" does not make it so. Courts look at whether a reasonable reader or listener could understand the statement as asserting a statement of verifiable fact.

A statement of verifiable fact is a statement that conveys a provably false factual assertion, such as someone has committed murder or has cheated on his spouse. To illustrate this point, consider the following excerpt from a court (Vogel v. Felice) considering the alleged defamatory statement that plaintiffs were the top-ranking 'Dumb Asses' on defendant's list of "Top Ten Dumb Asses":

A statement that the plaintiff is a "Dumb Ass," even first among "Dumb Asses," communicates no factual proposition susceptible of proof or refutation. It is true that "dumb" by itself can convey the relatively concrete meaning "lacking in intelligence." Even so, depending on context, it may convey a lack less of objectively assayable mental function than of such imponderable and debatable virtues as judgment or wisdom. Here defendant did not use "dumb" in isolation, but as part of the idiomatic phrase, "dumb ass." When applied to a whole human being, the term "ass" is a general expression of contempt essentially devoid of factual content. Adding the word "dumb" merely converts "contemptible person" to "contemptible fool." Plaintiffs were justifiably insulted by this epithet, but they failed entirely to show how it could be found to convey a provable factual proposition. ... If the meaning conveyed cannot by its nature be proved false, it cannot support a libel claim.

>>2675058
Are you honestly getting into a somewhat serious argument on 4chan?

>>2675030
You don't know if she took caps herself, and there are threads like these which confirm the existence of the original comments and its contents.

>>2675058
All that was required in this was bringing up a photo of her and describing how exactly she was considered a "slut" eg the cocksucking mouth, or saying "if she is not a slut then she should not have posted photos of herself in that top". If you did not wish to present it as factual, you would not have required proof. It's as simple as that.

>>2675065
No, the person is just copypasting blocks of text assuming the sheer volume of it, however irrelvent, can win something. It's a common and rather pisspoor tactic.

I'm starting to think the anon obsessed with thinking "fat slut" is libel is sleeping apple, or her boyfriend. It's very curious.

Fat slut would not get you into court. A teacher who fucks her students would. Why ignore the perfectly legal example of libel in favor of "no, no, you can't call someone a fat slut! It's libel!" Because what if people did call her a fat slut in public - it would have nothing to do with the picture she posted, would it? And that's assuming anyone that calls her a slut is referring to that picture, which is ridiculous.

Also, I love how the mashimaro_girl asshattery is slipping through the cracks while everybody is trying to resurrect this "omg this lolita is being an annoying hypocritical bitch!" thing. I am fully endorsing this pointless and longwinded loli drama.

>>2675073
I'm not even the anon you've, if you're the same on as earlier, been arguing with, but maybe you should actually read the text before getting so pissy.

>A statement of verifiable fact is a statement that conveys a provably false factual assertion, such as someone has committed murder or has cheated on his spouse.

>A statement that the plaintiff is a "Dumb Ass," even first among "Dumb Asses," communicates no factual proposition susceptible of proof or refutation

Fat slut = similar to dumb ass in this case. Fat and slut are things that cannot be proven as a fact.

>>2675069
4chan threads of people going "I guess she was called a slut on loli_secret" or "Oh yeah they totally said this" is not evidence of what the people said.

She's called courtingdiscord a plethora of things. I guess courtingdiscord should sue for libel!

but

but now we'll never see her beautiful coordinates again... or at least new ones D:

>>2675105
Anything new with them? Or still "I haven't gotten my items and they're saying it's because of the people in China" thing?

>>2675098
>>2675114
I am not, but I am getting frankly annoyed with this thread after thread of NOTHING and everyone being internet lawyers.

Also, calling someone a "fat slut" calls upon that person's moral conduct. Guess why publishing someone is stupid does not constitute libel and publishing say, someone is a "gaylord" does. I also distinctly remember someone commenting that she's the type to fuck young boys.

Again, the only reason cases like this don't end up in court is because of the legal fees involved, not because it has no standing.

>>2675128
There are also livejournal threads of people standing behind actual identities, and 4chan threads alone are a proof that the comments have been "published" for a general public to know of it. Sleepingapple would have much less standing to sue if it was a "oh some bunch of frilly girls in their own corner of the internet bitching" but 4chan, now this is a place how many unique IPs access? How libel stands up in court also depends on how many people become privy to the allegedly libellious comment.

her face is so.... eww... I don't even care if she is plus sized or not, she is so effing ugly.

WHO THE FUCK IS THIS FAT WHALE?????

I usually ignore lolita drama because it disheartens me so, but this looks kinda interesting.

Can I get a general upshot of the situation with the deluded non-lolita?

>>2675149
The grand total of 2 bitches in the US (estrazione and that other girl) have now stopped saying anything altogether. I think they've realised they've been set up as the fall girls, and wisely decided to not dig themselves a deeper hole by commenting and being called out like idealia was in the cruxcommissa situation.

>>2675195
We do this every other fucking week: we call some bitch fat, ugly, slutty and horrid coordination skills. For some reason this person took the bait. So everyone thinks it's fun to keep poking at the person.

>>2674670 and everyone who was confused by my comment

>>2674642 here. I wasn't trying to say that she could win a court action, just refuting >>2674538's assertion that insulting someone isn't slander, because it can be.

from what I know about the incident in question, although it technically qualifies as defamation in the strictest legal sense, it is neither verifiable nor actionable. it wouldn't even make it to court to get thrown out, and any lawyer who took that case would either be irl whiteknighting, or a hack.

>>2675172
>livejournal account
>actual identities

>>2674903
sums it up.

Though they forgot to mention that the OP secret was posted somewhere, with someone trolling a bunch of "she's a slut/fat slut/pervert!" comments, and then her freaking out.

>>2675221
>although it technically qualifies as defamation in the strictest legal sense, it is neither verifiable nor actionable. it wouldn't even make it to court to get thrown out

thiiis

>>2675224
>"she's a pervert!"

What the fuck is wrong with being a pervert? Goddamn lolitas.

I think the loli_secret trolling was one person. Because nowhere did people on here call her a slut, before that secret/drama. From the sort of wild accusation, maybe the trolling person on loli_secret was yami no ryuazaki or whoever? She just got banned by sleepingapple and then someone made a giant post about the girl on getoffegl, because someone made a post celebrating her banning and thanking SA.

But, the closest people came to saying slut on here was saying that her wearing a corset that tight made her chest obviously pop out and something like "if I was a student, I'd be weirded out by a teacher that deliberately emphasized her chest like that" and that it was gross for her to leave the house in the duct tape outfit because her flab was showing and it wasn't smart to put pics online of that, if she was a teacher.

>>2675224
>>2675232
Judging whether a case is actionable in the first place has nothing to do with the case's prospects of winning.
The fact that you are relying on a hypothetical judge to throw it out in and of itself means that it's actionable.

>>2675261
>Judging whether a case is actionable in the first place has nothing to do with the case's prospects of winning.

lmao

is this the girl that implied that a thin person vs a fat person's "troubles" in terms of people making fun of them and whatnot was just like a white person vs a minority?

>>2675271
Welcome to the world of tort law. Enjoy raging at the mcdonalds' coffee cup case.

>>2675281
Yes, though I don't know why people only remember sleepingapple doing this when at least 3-4 other people said the same bullshit.

>>2675288
Yeah, but she's the one that went on and on and on about it... somehow to the point of saying that just by being white, you are a racist.

>>2675261
I'm not relying on a judge to throw out the case; did you actually read >>2675221? Or did you just skim the snippet quoted by >>2675232 and misunderstand?

>>2674950
>I still hate [info]egl, and almost everyone there.

seriously? Because some trollish comments said you were a fatty and a slut? And this girl is 26?

I guess there's a reason she was attracted to lolita, even if she never wore it.

>>2675319
Again, prospects of winning hasn't got to do with it being actionable, and it is certainly verifiable.

>>2675349
is this shiverling? you sound like her.

can she prove that the comments were maliciously made false statements that caused irreparable harm to her reputation resulting in some sort of financial damages?

>>2675349
in most states, there is a review process that occurs before being sent to court; being "actionable" under the law doesn't mean it will see the inside of a court. go look up 'frivolous litigation' in your state's law

Why doesn't this girl have a burger page for her?

>>2675971
because tropigalia is the admin for the burger and she takes down the pages that are for her friends

must bump. don't want this to die.

>>2676659
why not? Nothing will come of it. She'll always be a bitch with friends that insist on saying how sweet and nice she is and omg so what if her coords aren't totally loli blah blah.

Besides it seems like she's flouncing from lolita entirely, 'cause... some random trollish comments said she was a slut and someone said she wasn't wearing lolita.

Though she has no one to blame but herself, really. If she didn't react like a 15 year old to all of this, people wouldn't have gotten more to make drama about.

She's seeming more and more like elexiel each day..

>>2676725
elexial part = win!

>>2673074
>I'm so SMALL! I'm only 200lbs!

is she serious? She was fat 50 pounds ago

she deleted her journal

l-o-l

So much hatred...

>>2676892
Hahahaha wow, what a big baby. Seriously. Holy shit, girl. People said you weren't wearing lolita clothing and a few trolls said you were a pervy slut.

If this is how she reacts to something like this, I hope she never has to deal with any stressful situations in her teaching job, 'cause she might just run out of the classroom in the middle of a lesson.

Dear Op:

You've caused a chain reaction that caused someone to gtfo of egl. And it didn't even require an actual gtfo post!

Kudos.

>>2676920
Most GTFO's are fail. And the whole comm is fail. I feel kinda bad but to be honest if she listened to /cgl/ that much it goes to show she can't handle anyone not ass-kissing her :/

elexiel:
-wore some questionable outfits (though tbh he had more lolita outfits than sleepingapple...) and posted some photos of himself in skimpy clothes and provocative positions in public
-people gossiped
-he made a post on EGL freaking out, got told to calm down, so he posted to getoffegl saying he was going to tell the police about getoffegl and they were going to hear from the FBI!
-also PMed people that made comments about him with 'you're terrible omg etc etc' crap
-cried about how horrible egl is and how he hates it
-flouncy flounce

sleepingapple:
-posted questionable outfits, decided she was 'above' crit and could call her outfits lolita if she felt they were, talked about her tits a lot
-people gossiped
-deleted every single one of her daily_lolita posts
-changed her "do you like BIG BREASTS?" icon
-pmed people who made logged in comments about her with 'omg you're horrible i would sue for slander etc etc'
-cried about how horrible egl is and how she hates it
-flounced from lolita completely, not even bothering to remove herself from her mod position before doing so

hm...

>>2676963
Well, I would've suggested a getoffegl post for this but, too late. I'm glad she's out. No more dramus and whining from her.

>>2676892
LOL. i actually have a series of comments between her and her friends from her LJ but cgl won't let me post because it's too long.

>>2676993
split it up, maaan

THIS IS GONNA BE LONG GUYSSSSS.
****
A:I hope you feel better soon. :( I saw a lot of what was going on, I don't understand where all the hate is coming from. I looked at cgl out of curiosity for the first time about 3 weeks ago when I posted myself on daily lolita because I was wondering if I'd be picked on. I stopped looking a week ago. There's so much hate there, I don't understand why. I'd rather not comment on anything specifically, but for a lot of the insults and remarks I saw towards you, it's a big ol, so what? Live the life the way you want to, ya know...as long as you're not murdering people. Life is too damn short to care what everyone else thinks. It's too bad that a lot of people don't realize this until it's too late.

Continued

SA: I saw a lot of it on 4Chan. Jeff spent hours and hours completely eliminating every search result that came up for "SleepingApple" on Google and every other search engine he could find. It was pretty disgusting. Apparently I am a fatty fat fat fat who is ugly and hideous, and tries to hide my disgusting fatness with a corset (do these people seriously know nothing about how corsets work?), and a slut, and my boobs are big and I am a slut who should never talk about my boobs ever. How this has anything to do with anything, I don't know. The sexual comments were disgusting and misogynist, and at the very worse could have cost me my teaching position. Yeah. Lulz.

Continued

B: I can't fucking believe there are people freaking out that you were offended "just because we said she isn't lolita lawl". It wasn't JUST that, they were attacking things about you COMPLETELY unrelated to lolita. They're narcissistic little shits that have to lie to themselves about their own behavior so they can feel superior, or like they won an argument. It's know it's really hard but it's better to try to move on or else they'll keep shitting on you for "whining". It's not worth your time to dwell on them because you have a life for yourself in the real world, and at the end of the day, the people you encounter there are much more important than some coward on the internet who can't even share their opinion without hiding who they are.

Continued

SA: I really think it was [info]woobwoob who posted the secret, and started all this crap. She also thinks that all of the shit in the comments was just fine, too. I have no idea who she is, but she's been commenting in all of the posts about this, like she has some sort of personal investment in how people think of me. Who the hell is she anyways? I honestly don't care about the original secrets at all, but the comments were just terrible. I was just worried that they would start finding things in real life to pick on, and I deleted everything to protect my personal information. Calling me a "pervy teacher" and a "slut"? If the wrong people heard about that, yes, my career as a teacher could be jeopardized.

Continued

C: jeez I've never even seen that lj username before. Who the heck is she!?

SA: Some stupid bitch who started posting on GTFO about a month ago. I didn't like her even before all this, then she posted on my last [info]daily_lolita post and told me I wasn't Lolita. Then-bam! Secret shows up less than a week later. Not a coincidence.

B: I was so sure that she had made her journal really recently, like right before this stupid drama, but I just checked her info and it says it was created in 2008 :/
Either way I've only seen her commenting around the lolita communities for a couple of weeks. Pretty sketchy if you ask me. Regardless of whether or not she was the one submitting the secret, I am 100% sure she lurks /cgl/ and 100% sure she was there to stir the pot when everyone was making threads to bash you.

>>2677000
I'm already facepalming. She overreacts to everything and takes any comments against her as "oh it's because I'm fat and I have big tits, isn't it?? Fucking sexist sexual harassment!!"

Continued

SA: I am also positive she was posting the majority of the nastiest comments. She's been trying to make me look bad for a week now. Who the fuck she actually is, I have no clue.

A: Yeah, it's just a big pile of crap. The remarks on your sexuality and your profession, it's really...so what? So she's a teacher, who gives a shit. She has a professional job. There are tons of teachers out there, they all have lives and they all have different things. They also have kids...how do you think most of them got them?? =_=
It's not like you're out there flashing your boobs to the world either, they're just there. So what?
People rarely make sense. The whole concept of, "it's just the internet" makes people think that what they do is fine. They don't care who they hurt. Everybody needs to realize that saying "it's just the internet" doesn't make things okay. People have died because of being bullied online. It's not okay to make fun of people who have done nothing wrong in person, so why even bother doing it online?

AND FINALLY!
****

SA: "People have died because of being bullied online."
We just recently had a situation in a district near mine where a girl committed suicide due to online bullying. All my kids came in wearing green one day, and when I asked them why, they said that there was a girl who had just moved from Ireland to America and was having a lot of trouble at the school. The kids were harassing her and throwing around ethnic slurs (seriously wtf?! Against the Irish? Is it really 1880 again??) and it got so bad that she killed herself. I guess that was "just the internet," though :/

thank you anon, this is pretty hilarious to read.

I just love that she posted on getoffegl and other drama communities plenty of times, calling people shit and trying to make them feel bad, but the moment she's on the other end...

Ohh, so her evidence was "She just started posting on lolita communities! She must totally be the person who made the secret AND said the nastiest things." (Despite that the week before the secret, there was a thread about her on here - so there's more than one person who was thinking about her non-lolitaness that week.)

By that logic, the person who asked laiferr if they were condoning sleepingapple's actions was also one slinging shit. Their journal is new and only started commenting a few weeks ago!

>>2677005
>100% sure she was there to stir the pot when everyone was making threads to bash you.
>100% sure

I don't think they know what 100% means.

>>2677013
no problem. i feel like a bitch doing this but hotdamn, i think she overreacted too. she's a nice girl but she really needs to just let it go. if she didn't overreact, all of this shit wouldn't have blown up in her face.

>>2677003
so wait wait -- anon comments deleted in, what, an hour at the most might jeopardize her job... but her publicly posting a picture like >>2674995 wouldn't?

I'm not really shocked, given to how she reacted to that "hey guys thin people have problems too" secret, but still. You would think someone that's been fat & had big boobs for at least their adult life would learn how to deal with criticism and people trash talking. She trash talked other people, after all.

>>2674995
yep.... her boobs are "just there"... not drawing attention to them at all... riiiggght.

>>2677026
I completely agree. Posting pictures like that on the internet seem to be more inappropriate than people just bad mouthing her. Well, it's her life.

>>2677003
>She also thinks that all of the shit in the comments was just fine, too

lol but she said it wasn't fine, when someone told her what people were saying. JFC, get over yourself.

>>2677000
Aaand here it is, again. People were saying it was stupid of her to wear that corset and expect people to believe that it was her natural figure, which is what she kept claiming. It looks ridiculous on her - her arms/legs/double chin are still there, but her waist is pulled comically inwards. I get that she thinks that looks "cool" or whatever, but if you already know that your breasts get attention, why would you do something to emphasize them *even more* and then throw a tantrum when people point this out?

>>2674995
some really needs to draw a dick into her mouth

>>2677026
Yup. If she was mature as her 26 years would've made her she simply would've brushed it off. Instead the stupid bitch had to feed the fire.

What kind of a friend is posting stuff from her friend's locked entries onto cgl? What a bitch >.<

maybe she got into the "lolita community" because she can related to 18 year olds... she certainly acts like one.

>>2677043
Hey, she deleted her journal. No harm in reposting what people have saved now.

>>2677044
I'm 19 years old. When I joined at 17 and posted on d_l I handled con crit way better than her :/. She's too old to be this immature.

>>2676963
If she was anyone else, she would've been blasted on getoffegl long before she deleted her journal. But most of the getoffegl kisses her ass - especially after she became a sales community mod - so, oh well.

I'm sure people will find her new journal out, though. She can't seem to resist talking about her breasts.

>>2677048
Well, a stereotypical 18 year old, I mean.

>>2677045
But still. It's really nasty of her to post things from a journal that belonged to a friend. That stuff should just stay there and her friend shouldn't be feeding the fire.

>>2677055
So? The journal's gone, sleepingapple is a whiny bitch, and she should know better than to assume all of her livejournal friends are going to pat her butt for acting like a little kid when someone finally starts drama about her, instead of it being the other way around.

>>2677055
SA is ~done~ with the lolita community, she says, so it shouldn't matter to her that someone is reposting her whining about a community she apparently hates so much.

Does SA even check cgl?

>>2677073
>>2677000
>I saw a lot of it on 4Chan.

I actually wonder if the OP of this post is really the one that started the drama. But then again, does that mean she's the secret poster or that she's the one who started to call SA a slut?

>>2677087
I'm pretty sure the loli_secret stuff calling her a slut and all that was one person. Or at least one person who started it and some troll that went along for the ride. If it was the OP who made the secret, I don't know.

Because from the secret, there's nothing about her being slutty... and even on the threads here the week leading up to the secrets, people weren't calling her slutty, just a shitty dresser and someone who probably shouldn't post pics of skimpy outfits online.

SHE JUST WANTS TO BE TIFA GAIZ. WAI DON'T U UNDERSTAND?! TTTTTTTT_________TTTTTTTTT

>>2677087
If I remember correctly, the secret maker posted and said that her secret wasn't meant as a personal attack and she only wanted to call SA out on her outfits.

I doubt woobwoob made the secret, or bothered with anonmously "stirring up shit." Though of course to sleepingapple, anything negative about her is stirring up shit. I'm half-glad I didn't end up commenting on loli_secret with my username -- on one hand, I spared myself getting attacked by her & her friends through PM and her journal, but on the other hand, I could've made a getoffegl post about her then...

I can't wait for a"What happened to sleepingapple?" or mod post saying she's left and the inevitable "She left because people were attacking her horribly on the internet!" comments.

>>2677139
Did that ever happen with someone? o.O

>>2677152
I don't think so.

>>2677152
happened to caroline back in the day.
Damn, I feel bad for woobwoob. Way to encourage leaving real feedback on D_L, SA!

SA is weak sauce.

She keeps talking about how this could cost her her job. Well, if it's not true, why are you worried about it?
And, if she's doing stuff that would cost her her job, maybe she should lose her job.

I sure as hell wouldn't want someone like this teaching my children.

>>2677554
Someone like.... what?
If it is not true, then there should be no issue with her teaching your children.

>>2677563
Who's to say it's not true.
and even if it isn't, she has way too much of an immature attitude.
That duct-tape picture sure ain't helping either.
Also, she's so damn worried about it that she has to mention it all the fucking time, that seems a little suspicious to me.

>>2677569
WHAT's not true? Stop trying to make up shit. She's a whiny bitch blah blah blah, but this is way beyond what the original drama was about into your personal fantasy.

I am still shocked by how effective that one secret was.

o.o

Shiverling = Woob Woob, if you haven't figured it out by now. Showed up right after Shiverling got herself unwelcomed.

>>2677999
her journal's from 2008, and Shiverling herself has been posting in getoffegl.

Her journal is also completely empty and hasn't been around on EGL for that entire time. I'm willing to bet it's someones back up sock.

>>2677999
yeah I highly doubt that, seeing as shiverling hasn't stopped posting even if she's unwelcome. Not to mention woobwobs journal is pretty old

>>2677972
inorite?

>>2678127

Ugh, Shiverling seriously needs to get the fuck out. She's either a complete idiot or the most annoying troll ever.

>>2678142
shiverling is a voice of reason in a community of dumb girls

>>2678152

Shiverling = Sniper_nyan/the new. And neither one of them has sense between them. Voice of reason my ass.

THE YEN HAS TANKED. ONLY IT ACTUALLY HASN'T.

>>2677999
naw, she's been posting for longer than that, I've seen a few comments of her's around.

but lol @ Sleepingapple having "Evidence" that it's woobwoob... cause, y'know, the reason for her saying her outfits aren't lolita couldn't be anything other than some wild vendetta! Heaven forbid not everyone kiss your ass and praise your flat skirts and t-shirt tops.

I just want to point out, that since SA deleted or had someone else delete all the evidence that anything actually happened anywhere, any claim she makes about who said what when is completely invalid as she has absolutely no proof.

>>2678152
Most of the time, she's a fucking idiot. "Omg there's nothing wrong with your boyfriend saying you're too ugly to wear lolita! He's being honest! Omg you all shouldn't have sit there and watched that guy masturbate... oh you didn't? Well you shouldn't have named the chat getOFFegl... oh it wasn't? Well... well... you still shouldn't have!!" Among other idiotic statements.

Occasionally, just like with sniper, she says things people are thinking. Most of the time she's just being stupid.

>>2678167

i guess she could have screencapped them before deletion

>>2678169

Probably because it's WuWu 1,000th sock trying to fit in and ~school the idiot lolitas by being a VOICE OF REASON~ when in reality she can't find her ass with two hands. She spouts of edgy shit until she hits instead of misses.

>>2678167
The only 'proof' would be that woobwoob did post on her daily_lolita since they mention it in PMs and woobwoob still has them. But even that, lol. Why is she surprised that someone who "dared" to say her outfit wasn't lolita would also chime in when people are claiming "it's because of her ~~curves~~" that... no, it isn't.

>>2675037
Oh god, when she pulls her head back she looks like Sammo Hung.

>>2678183
she was probably too busy shaking and crying to do so

>>2678169

Arguing is one thing, but when you've been proved blatantly WRONG (as Shiverling always is) sometimes it's appropriate to admit you were wrong or misinformed, not keep yapping.

I'll admit shiverling seems to go against whatever's the general opinion just to do it but sometimes she happens to be on the right side. But because of a bad review ages ago, nothing she says can be valid? a loli never forgets

>>2678243
No one brought up that review.

>>2678243
yeah no shiverling has been stupid LATELY i had totally forgotten about that review until about a week ago

>>2677000
>Do these people not know how corsets work?

YES, WE DO. THAT'S WHY WE KNOW YOU'RE LYING.

fat people shouldn't tight lace. I'm sorry. I know she apparently likes the aesthetic but you should really be in a healthy weight range before you do that.

>>2678278
so much lard to protect her internal organs

>>2678278
>Fat people shouldn't tight lace and then lie about it

Fixed

>>2678278
I think tight lacing looks gross on most people, but if you're bigger... I mean, fat arms + fat legs + double chin + etc etc does not look good when paired with a waist that looks like a giant hand is pinching it in.

>>2678254

Yeah, we're talking about her being a dumbass within the last couple of weeks. There is no past tense. She says incredibly stupid, completely wrong shit. All the time.

and nothing of value was lost

The End

>>2677346
Seriously? Caroline?

I'm honestly surprised because she seemed to me like the type who was a cunt for no reason but didn't let the backlash she got for her attitude get her down. Was the back-talk really bad?

>>2677023
I might be tardy to the party, but it was the mod of the secrets comm who said that she was 100% sure it was woobwoob. Proof that she was turning the blind eye to SA bothering woobwoob over email without just cause.

>>2678954
Wow, seriously? Did you manage to get a cap?

That's bullshit. And it's also proof that the mod is deleting shit about SA because she's friends with her.

Nice and unbiased modding we have, eh?

>>2679005
I thought if SA kept messaging woobwoob I would do it but she deleted the journal before I had the chance. The mod's user name is a bunch of numbers and her icon is a girl dressed in red and black under a tree, right?

Normally, I'm against posting stuff from f-locked journals, but I felt like it might have been a good idea since it sort of proved that she was turning the blind eye to woobwoob being pestered by e-mail because she was on SA's side.

I like her as a mod and even sleepingapple was alright with me before this, but I don't think it's fair for them to gang up on another member like this with no proof just because she disagreed.

>>2679052
Yeah, that's her.

That's just ridiculous. SA acting like a bitch about this was bad enough - I was feeling bad for her because of the 'slut' comments until I heard what she was doing - but the loli_secret mod is going around saying she's "100% sure" that someone made a secret? It's stupid. There were other people on getoffegl who spoke up about it - does it mean they made the secret? Or is it only the person that sleepingapple was already pissed off about, since they criticized her outfits? And that the mod keeps deleting comments about sleepingapple is pretty telling, too. Comments that point out other specific users are fine, of course.

>>2678954
What bullshit. I hate things like this - if this was someone like shiverling or sugarcakesales or heck even meow_tan, getoffegl would be crawling all over it. But it's "one of their own" who is soooo nice and sweet and a darling, so suddenly she's "Justified" in acting like a 12 year old.

Meh. Whatever. Good riddance to her journal, she was never wearing "lolita" anyway so it's not a big loss.

>>2679066
Yeah. I'm trying to see if I can't find a way to look up a cached version of her journal or something so I can find the comment and give myself some concrete proof. I'm not one to make hefty accusations about a person without evidence. Unlikesomepeople.

>>2678954
I didn't say anything before because the post was friendslocked but it was her does anyone know how to bring up deleted livejournal pages or something like that if it's been viewed recently? I tried history but it didn't work.

>>2679078
I don't know if you can view cached pages of deleted journals, especially under friends lock.

I believe you, though. It makes sense. She deletes anon comments that put sleepingapple in a bad light or mention her specifically when someone brought up her nasty behavior, but leaves similar comments bout other people up? She refuses to answer the questions submitted to the "question/concern" post about why the sleepingapple things are getting deleted?

I would believe that over "woobwoob MUST'VE made the secret, since she commented a while ago on a daily_lolita post of mine, and also commented here! And she MUST'VE been on /cgl/ stirring the pot!"

curious cosplayer here. I don't feel like fucking reading everything, so can someone please summarize what happened?

>>2679109
Yeah, but it'd be nice to have actual evidence if it ever comes to the point where we have to confront her about it and she tries to deny it.

>>2679118
Do you have the link of the journal entry in your history? You can try google cache with that, or other cache services. I can bring up her profile with google cache, but it's from 2/26 anyway so... idk.

>>2674903
but add in:

-she deleted her livejournal account, not even bothering to remove herself from modship positions (sinking ship?)
-she whines and trash talked about EGL after a secret got posted about her
-the mod of the secret community where the secret was posted accused a user (woobwoob) of posting the secret and said she was "100% sure" that she both posted it and was on here stirring shit
-said mod also deletes anything directly linking sleepingapple to negative behaviors on the secret community

>>2679133
meant for
>>2679110

>>2679127
I tried. But you can't bring up f-locked entries with google cache, I don't think.

>>2679140
thanks

>>2679143
Well, at least you and at least one other person saw it. It's more evidence than "she gave me crit, I'm so sure it's her!"

>>2674695
so is her name Jennifer Grainger?

>>2679133
"-said mod also deletes anything directly linking sleepingapple to negative behaviors on the secret community"
Just to add to that, in SA's journal comments, SA said, "If you were the one who was in charge of the secrets, you wouldn't have let that one through" or something along those lines.
It's bullshit that some people can get their ass' covered while others don't. Like others have said, if it was meow_tan, people would jump on this like a hungry bear on a salmon.

>>2679233
Someone needs to make a secret calling out the mods involved. Sif that will get through.

Lolitas are scary girls :( They remind me of the little sisters in Bioshock.

>>2679233
>>2679244
That is bullshit, but it's the same thing that happens with getoffegl - some people can get away with shit, others can't. And that she basically went on a deleting spree means that people can't get the caps to show people what she's been doing, since although she is allowed to make wild assumptions, other people would get "pics or it didn't happen!" thrown at them.

Also lol, I doubt the secret would go through.

>>2679182
People do refer to her as Jenny...

>>2679272
Fuck, I should have capped it. I had her journal open with all her friends locked entries before her journal got deleted.

I'm more pissed about the dynamics with certain people on egl than SA now.

>>2679279
Yeah, so did I.

>>2676963
... the resemblance really is uncanny. If she had just handled this situation maturely, none of this would've happened.

>>2679279
>'m more pissed about the dynamics with certain people on egl than SA now.

Meaning?

>>2679133
>>2679109
>>2679066
>>2679052
>>2678954

see >>2677005
>Regardless of whether or not she was the one submitting the secret, I am 100% sure she lurks /cgl/ and 100% sure she was there to stir the pot when everyone was making threads to bash you.
>Regardless of whether or not she was the one submitting the secret,
>Regardless of whether or not she was the one submitting the secret,
>Regardless of whether or not she was the one submitting the secret,
>Regardless of whether or not she was the one submitting the secret,

Note that I never directly accused woobwoob of submitting the secret. I honestly don't give two shits who submitted it.

>>2679392
So are you ever going to answer why you're deleting things only about her, but shit about other people stays up? Even things that don't go against the rules are getting deleted. Interesting.

And how were you 100% sure she was here "stirring" the pot? You do know what 100% means, right?

>>2679392
>Either way I've only seen her commenting around the lolita communities for a couple of weeks. Pretty sketchy if you ask me.

lol. People said the same about YOU when you threw in your bid to mod for loli_secret. But, like sleepingapple, it's only bad if it's other people. :D