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    39 KB Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)15:57 No.2414254  
    ITT: The cancer of conventions today.

    Smelling faggots.
    Those creepy guys who you talk for a second and then they follow you for the rest of convention.
    Stubborn pantyshoters who will even crawl down or move laying on a skateboard to achieve their goal.
    People who bring animals with them.

    Your turn.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)15:58 No.2414255
    >>2414254
    And people who think that overusing memes is funny. Seriously, keep Internet inside of Internet.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)15:59 No.2414257
    silly anon you are the cancer of conventions
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)15:59 No.2414258
    Yaoi anything.
    >> Katsumiyo !bSYx8p6gbU 12/18/09(Fri)16:00 No.2414261
    Anyone who tries to sabotage anyone else. I've heard of some crazy shit going down backstage and it's disgusting what people will do for a piece of paper and a small handful of cash that, ultimately, mean nothing.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)16:04 No.2414271
    people who completely and ultimately fail cosplay. yeah a few things wrong is ok but sometimes it just gets horrible inb4 fat cosplay
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)16:07 No.2414275
    >>2414271
    but fat cosplay is fail cosplay. unless they are cosplaying a fat person
    >> Sieg !VhSiegR26w 12/18/09(Fri)16:07 No.2414276
    Carameldansen, hare hare yukai, lucky star dancing, kids with boom boxes, and the you lost the game bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)16:08 No.2414277
    Pretty much anybody that goes to conventions to try to get laid
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)16:09 No.2414278
    >Smelling faggots.
    I hate people with a sense of smell too >:(
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)16:10 No.2414282
    >>2414278
    Smelling in meaning "HOLY SHIT DID HE SLEEP IN HORSE PISS OR SOMETHING?!"
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)16:12 No.2414286
    >>2414282
    That word doesn't mean what you think it means.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)16:15 No.2414290
    >>2414286
    Stinking then. Satisfied?
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)16:22 No.2414302
    People who bring their fucking kids.

    I swear, I was bumping into little demons left, right, and centre at FanExpo this year. YOUR KIDS DO NOT WANT TO BE THERE, HIRE A FUCKING BABYSITTER AND LEAVE THEM AT HOME.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)16:23 No.2414306
    >>2414258
    It isn't that bad, but when the rabid fangirls come out, it's like nuclear faggotry.
    >>2414261
    How do they sabotage?

    The annoying fat weaboos are the cancer.
    >> Sieg !VhSiegR26w 12/18/09(Fri)16:23 No.2414307
    >>2414290


    No bb, keep strokin. I'm almost there. :D
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)16:36 No.2414321
    >>2414290
    I think you mean smelly or stinky.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)16:37 No.2414324
    self-important tripfags
    >> Beloved of Cthulhu !!OZfUyWgysKa 12/18/09(Fri)16:38 No.2414325
    >>2414302
    This

    an inept retards that blame their lack of social skills on everyone else
    >> Katsumiyo !bSYx8p6gbU 12/18/09(Fri)16:41 No.2414332
    >>2414306
    I've heard of props being broken, trailing dresses being stepped on, wigs getting snipped, clothing torn...all "by accident," though then the people who do it have come onto 4chan or the original CosFu and given the story firsthand. It was more common quite some time ago, but it still happens and it's truly disgusting behavior.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)16:41 No.2414333
    Three Things:

    a) "Fan Character Cosplay" - Mary Sues ruin everything, and when asked "Who are you supposed to be?" always starts a long conversation that no one gives a shit about

    "Her name is Norriko, she is a half fox half demon shinigami who saved Edward Elric from the Chimeras"

    b) Vic Mignogna Fans

    Try going to ANY Q&A for Vic Mignogna, you will lose your sense of hearing after 10 minutes.

    c) Anime Game Shows

    "IN EPISODE 32 OF DEATH NOTE, WHAT DID MELLO SAY TO LIGHT AFTER HE SHITNOONECARESABOUT."

    There is a reason these people were not hired to replace Bob Barker on "Price is Right"
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)16:44 No.2414337
    Free hugs
    Free yaoi
    Free kisses
    Will hug for pocky/food
    Will yaoi for pocky/food
    Will kiss for pocky/food
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)16:56 No.2414349
    People moving your shit in sleeprooms.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)17:16 No.2414363
    >>2414258
    I'm not a fan of Yaoi but it is a huge branch of anime and manga. Get over yourself, move on.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)17:27 No.2414381
    Today?
    >Those creepy guys who you talk for a second and then they follow you for the rest of convention.
    Happened to me 1998
    >Smelling faggots
    Every anime convention ever from the middle ages until now.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)17:45 No.2414412
    >>2414333
    >Try going to ANY Q&A for Vic Mignogna, you will lose your sense of hearing after 10 minutes.

    No. I will do no such thing.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)17:57 No.2414439
    -People who fail at attempting Japanese fashion
    -Haruhi cosplays (just because there's a second season doesn't mean it's cool)
    -Vocaloid cosplays
    -APH cosplays
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)18:06 No.2414454
    Big fat Italians.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)18:19 No.2414482
    >>2414439
    not just APH... fanmade APH

    "Don't you know who I am? I AM PORTUGAL!"
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)18:37 No.2414503
    >>2414439
    Don't hate on APH
    Dressing as Russia gives me an excuse to drink vodka
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)18:46 No.2414510
    People who throw room parties and get drunk. This is a convention, do it on your own time, conventions are for cosplay, not for your frat house drinking game bullshit so that I get hit on by drunk bros. I can't stand people not in costume at cons. I also can't stand people who cosplay from something and get offended if you don't know from where its from, like some 1980s anime nobody watches anymore.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)18:56 No.2414531
    >>2414439
    I don't see anything wrong with cosplaying from Haruhi, Vocaloid, APH, etc. unless they're just doing it because everyone is and they throw together some half-assed costume.

    On a side note, the Hetalia fandom fucking scares me.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)19:10 No.2414551
    >>2414531
    Is Hetalia really that bad? I didn't think that it was mainstream enough for it to get a hugely annoying fanbase yet.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)19:11 No.2414554
    >>2414261

    I wanna hear stories of this.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)19:14 No.2414559
    >>2414531

    The hetalia fandoms fits right in with every other fucked up fandom. It gives the KH kiddies another outlet.

    >>2414510
    >I can't stand people not in costume at cons.

    Really? I hope you're just talking about the types who act like douchebags. Which can easily be some cosplayers too. Because otherwise you're just being silly.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)19:15 No.2414560
    >>2414510

    what the fucking fuck? Room parties are the single reason I GO to conventions. Fuck panels.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)19:38 No.2414582
    >>2414302
    As long as they are not crying and in costume, it's kinda cute. Sure, 2 year old Toon Link babies probably count as some form of child abuse, but at least you can go d'awwww and be a little less bitter when they are in costume. As long as they aren't dressed up as Baby Mario.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)19:43 No.2414588
    Attention whores.

    Oh, wait...
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)19:52 No.2414610
    >>2414510

    NO FUN ALLOWED
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)20:10 No.2414635
    >>2414560

    Ugly douche detected. Go drink somewhere else like a bar.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)20:17 No.2414641
    >>2414635
    Fucking square. People can do whatever they want. They paid for the room and if they want to go drink there then thats their fucking perogative. Anyways, drinking at a bar is way too expensive.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)20:21 No.2414645
    >>2414641
    >square
    Oh wow, didn't think anyone still used that as an insult.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)20:23 No.2414650
    >>2414645
    Well, hun, sorry but you fit right into that box.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)20:24 No.2414653
    niggers
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)20:25 No.2414655
    >>2414653
    Niggers and fags.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)20:28 No.2414661
    >>2414650
    You are making a mistake. I am not >>2414635.
    I don't have issues with people drinking at cons, as long as they don't puke or soil themselves in public or do anything to make normal, sober and possibly underage con-goers uncomfortable. As long as you don't inflict your drunken stupidity on anyone else, I say party on.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)20:33 No.2414663
    >>2414661
    Ah, ok. You're not a square then. You're a circle XP
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)20:45 No.2414684
    -fad dances [Carameldansen etc]
    -bad hygiene
    -sloppy fat PDA
    -excessive use of 'outside voices' in small areas
    -bad attitudes in big dresses in tiny elevators
    -obnoxious staff

    Also.. I am NOT about to try to bar hop in Baltimore or DC.. so you can deal with my friends and I getting hammered. sorry.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)20:51 No.2414695
    >>2414510
    Oooh, you almost got me. I was halfway through typing a bitch-leave-your-parents'-suburban-house comment. 9/10.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)21:18 No.2414731
    Con goers are usually overweight with poor hygiene and worse manners. Con goers are the cancer, clearly.
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)21:37 No.2414759
    >>2414510
    >I can't stand people not in costume at cons.

    i think thats kinda dumb, not everyone can sew, or is even interested in dressing up, cons are not just for the cosplay... you can meet voice actors, some cons have concerts with bands from japan, there are panels, and you can meet famous people who play a big role in the anime world
    >> Anonymous 12/18/09(Fri)21:39 No.2414762
    >>2414655

    niggerfaggots : /
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)00:21 No.2415044
    >>2414302
    >>2414276
    FUCKING THIS.

    The last time I was at a con there was a guy that threw a paper airplane that said "YOU LOST THE GAME." He ran over to me trying to get it back and I ripped it in half and gave it back to him.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)00:24 No.2415053
    Free Hug fags. When I say don't fucking touch me I mean it so don't just do it anyway!
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)00:25 No.2415056
    >>2415053

    THOSE FUCKERS HAVE MADE IT TO JAPAN.
    Fuckin...can't go anywhere around meiji-jingu mae or shibuya scramble without seeing those fucks.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)01:14 No.2415160
    Girls who think they're suddenly hotties at cons.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)01:14 No.2415161
    >>2415160

    this.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)01:20 No.2415172
    People who expect you to know every little detail about the character you are cosplaying, and get pissed of when you don't. This pisses me off the most at cons! Yes, I watched the anime but that doesn't mean I remember every single line, or the obscure fanmade side episode
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)01:36 No.2415186
    When I see "Free Hugs" signs at USA cons. Leave it to the Aussies plz
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)01:37 No.2415187
    /cgl/
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)01:48 No.2415207
    >>2414254
    what i find funny is that all the free hugs stuff is from super immature unattractive girls looking for physical contact with attractive/older men

    i feel bad for my bf.. he gets it a lot, it almost makes me want to start holding his hand in public so the girls avoid him, but a sick part of me enjoys watching him suffer LOL
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)01:51 No.2415213
    >>2415056
    best be joking nigger.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)01:57 No.2415221
    ITT: People who started going to anime cons thinking they were fashion contests, but found out they're actually for people who like the medium and are fans of the shows who feel no need to act like 14 year old catty bitch girls.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)02:02 No.2415231
    >>2414510
    >People who throw room parties and get drunk. This is a convention, do it on your own time, conventions are for cosplay, not for your frat house drinking game bullshit so that I get hit on by drunk bros. I can't stand people not in costume at cons. I also can't stand people who cosplay from something and get offended if you don't know from where its from, like some 1980s anime nobody watches anymore.

    Check it out, its someone who didn't start going to anime cons before, oh, 2005 or so.

    Every convention in every genre has drinking and partying. The only reason that anime cons have gotten away from it is because the goddamn age demographic got skewed to a median of 12 years old around 6-7 years back. It's just now finally getting back to the point where people who aren't high schoolers can enjoy anime cons again.

    Now if we can just get rid of the catty cosplayers who think anime cons are some sort of national popularity contest touring show, and things can get back to how they were before the kids started showing up.

    Oh, and btw, if you're not 18 or older, don't stay at the convention hotel. You're just ruining it for everyone else.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)02:02 No.2415237
    >>2415213

    Nope, not a joke.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)02:05 No.2415244
    >>2414551
    the worst thing about Hetalia is when you realize the people cosplaying the characters have almost no historical knowledge about WWII
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)02:07 No.2415250
    >>2415056

    on one hand, glompers need to be beat down

    on the other hand, the average Japanese person learning to deal with non-sexual contact from the opposite sex on a casual basis can only help their rampant, bizarre ideas of interaction between the genders
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)02:23 No.2415275
    >>2414302
    Yes. Children HATE going to giant parties about cartoons where they are often showered with attention.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)02:28 No.2415282
    >>2414510
    I completely agree. We should get rid of all those faggots with cameras and anyone else not wearing a costume that's not Naruto or Bleach.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)02:31 No.2415287
    Modern Anime fans who like trash shows, and show disdain and scorn for anything they deem "too deep".

    Anime fans who don't have a history of being nerds. (Back in the 80's and 90's most to all anime fans were sci-fi/fantasy geeks who loved Star Wars, Star Trek, ect) Now all I see is garbage children that used to be the cancer back in high school taking over anime cons and being cancer there too.

    fuck ya'll . I liked it when my conventions were 100% neckbeardy and reeked of virgin for life. There was more passion then.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)02:34 No.2415296
    generic young females cosplaying as popular anime characters who kill my buzz for hitting on them while I'm trying to party.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)02:35 No.2415298
    >>2415056
    Bitches best stay out of Meiji-Jingu-mae. >:[
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)02:37 No.2415302
    >>2415298

    They're usually there on Sundays.
    You know. The only time anyone is ever there.

    :/
    >> Inquisitor Fursecutorius 12/19/09(Sat)03:07 No.2415355
    This thread is meaningless. I love it even so.

    >>2414684

    Affirmative.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)03:12 No.2415367
    >>2414302
    >>2414510
    >>2415231
    these
    don't bring your fucking kids. if someone is under the age of 16, they should not be at an anime con after it gets dark. if you can manage to get your kids to be somewhere else after that time, it's okay.

    drinking at a con is going to happen. people are cutting loose and silly behavior will occur which not everyone likes. however, like any other situation, drinking should be done carefully. if you drink until you hurl, pass out, or start making extremely embarassing social moves like sleeping with an extremely ugly person or making highly personal delarations... you are doing it wrong. many people from my generation do not seem to know this. it's not a contest, and it can actually be dangerous to have too much to drink. the goal is to get an amazing buzz and keep it going for as long as possible. not to pass out and choke to death on a puddle of your own puke. do not do this and try not to let your friends do this.

    when did con dances become "raves?" they didn't used to be. people have more diverse tastes in music than just happy hardcore and youtube memes. since it's an anime convention, can we at least get some danceable jpop and jrock? i personally hate most happy hardcore and pure electronic music, but i put up with it. but at the last con i was at, the dj felt pressured to include only that type of music, obviously knew nothing about it, and as a result played the same list of about 30 or so songs over and over both nights. i felt like i was listening to a top 40 radio station from hell. we are not ravers. most people are not taking x. many weeaboos are out of shape and may hurt themselves trying to jump up and down repeatedly for 4+ hours. can we just accept this, stop trying to jump on the next cool thing bandwagon and move on with our lives?
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)03:16 No.2415381
    >>2415296
    girls who dress in revealing costumes, and then confuse men's obvious interest in the parts they are revealing with creeperism. a person you are not interested in expressing interest in you is not automatically a creeper. if your tits or ass are hanging out, people are going to look. it will draw male attention and you will get hit on. if you don't want this and find it creepy, next time try cosplaying a character with a whole shirt.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)03:18 No.2415393
    >>2415381

    jesus, this x1,000,000

    there's nothing worse than someone who is deliberately dressing to attract attention who then complains that people keep checking out their bodies and hitting on them
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)03:24 No.2415400
    >>2415367
    >>2415381
    >>2415393
    samefag
    >> Katsumiyo !bSYx8p6gbU 12/19/09(Sat)03:27 No.2415408
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    Only time asking for free hugs is acceptable is when you're wearing this shirt.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)03:27 No.2415409
    >>2415400
    sorry, i was only
    >>2415367
    and
    >>2415381
    i'm not so desperate to be validated that i'd agree with myself on the interwebs.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)03:29 No.2415410
    nope, I was
    >>2415393

    not
    >>2415367
    or
    >>2415381
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)03:41 No.2415433
    Solution against Free Hugers - stay behind them with a plate saying "Premium Hugs - 1$".
    I made 12$ out of that just because some people liked the idea.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)04:04 No.2415489
    >>2415408
    it makes me sad that most people don't know what free hugs is about and how the new movement started. Even what band helped it along!
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)04:38 No.2415579
    >>2415489
    free hugs are a great idea in concept, but at my local cons it's usually creepy looking guys. one year we had a very sucessful free hugs guy, he was one of those rare guys who is cuddly without turning it into a sexual thing, and was fairly socially skilled. he just believed in the idea that people could use more positive physical contact in their lives and thought it would be a good icebreaker. then a bunch of creepers started doing it because they noticed how many girls were hugging, glomping, cuddling, and generally hanging around him. this ruined it.
    >> SlowMope !LQ6XW3vel6 12/19/09(Sat)04:53 No.2415614
    fucking people who think it is fine to touch someone because they have the same interest...
    FUCK DAMN it was only a few days ago that the bruise on my leg from some fucking nut biting me faded away. That was from fucking thanksgiving!
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)04:54 No.2415616
    >The cancer of conventions today.

    Teenage girls. The standard 20-something otaku have always had their own breeds of bullshit like not bathing and being horny bastards, but the influx of teenage girls has brought the most recent cancerous developments. Namely:

    1. Drama
    2. Yaoi

    Cons would be 100% more enjoyable without them.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)05:22 No.2415652
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    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)05:30 No.2415655
    >>2415287
    I find it a pity I didn't go to cons at that era. Honestly, they're the only decent people at conventions anymore. I'm browsing through 500 shitty squealing fanfags just to spot them hanging out in the games room or playing Magic someplace.
    >> G !!q+6MMzevHyb 12/19/09(Sat)05:33 No.2415657
    >>2414276
    Please say you have an exception to the people who bring their boom boxes in order to have breakdance sessions at the con. Those folks are so awesome
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)06:17 No.2415685
    >>2415433
    You watched that youtube video, didn't you?
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)06:27 No.2415691
    >>2415655

    Seconded. My mom was pretty protective of me (mostly with good reason, tbh, actually having been to cons now) and didn't let me go to cons until I was 17. I go to cons and don't really feel any sort of connection with 99% of the people there other than the friends I go with. It's fantastic when you do find those people who are totally on the same wavelength as you though. I can only imagine what it would have been like in the pre-2000 years...
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)07:15 No.2415708
    >>2415614

    This.. I'm a girl and I had another girl come up and glomp me... she was wearing cat ears and a cat tail as her "costume" and was like ÏM GONNA CLING TO YOU COS IT MAKES ME KAWAII SQUEE ^_^
    >> Rein !!CxfqtUQA3gu 12/19/09(Sat)08:38 No.2415746
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    >>2415367
    OH MY FUCKING GOD TO HELL AND BACK THIS.

    I'm so sick of raves. I dont think there is a need for some place in the con where I can get possibly fucking stuck in the MINDLESS RAVAN DIMENSION.

    At first I enjoyed raves until I realized it was the same shit OVER AND OVER AGAIN. UNCE UNCE UNCE FUCK YOUR GIRLFRIEND IN THE CORNER UNCE UNCE.

    Another thing I'm getting sick of is the abundance of dumb as fuck teens that are looking to be obnoxious and try to spread their drinkan, smokan, and pill poppan habits to everyone else. (I remember reading that some faggots spiked the water in the rave with ectasy in one con and half the room was tripping balls.)

    Sick of signs, people shouting memes and jokes in an attempt to be funny and so random ^____^ -holds up spork-

    I could continue to rant forever, but my complaints have already been highlighted by other people.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)08:49 No.2415750
    >>2415614

    Were you bitten at Tomodachi Fest by any chance, SlowMope?
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)10:30 No.2415804
    >>2415433

    i was thinking of doing this myself, cos some fat maids where giving out free hugs and i thought it would be funny to follow them around and have them see people PAY ME to hug them lol
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)10:36 No.2415808
    >>2415287
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)10:39 No.2415811
    >>2415708
    i feel your pain...
    some ugly fat girl randomly hugged me when i was passing a line. it was so gross, and unexpected, and gross, and i'm a bit f a germ a phobe
    >> Coffee !MOChaSr5e. 12/19/09(Sat)10:44 No.2415816
    >>2415746
    >spiked with E

    That's fucking amazing.
    >> InvalidAnon !!+EDk5/sRbhg 12/19/09(Sat)12:14 No.2415875
    >>2414560
    I'm expecting some awesome parties judging from what I've been told from people that have gone to AX for many years. It'll be my first con ever and I'll be attending as press, too.

    >>2415367
    That's the thing, though. Kids don't know their limits like older drinkers do, which is why you see them puking their guts out and act stupid. I also blame crappy parents that hide alcohol from their kids until they turn 16, increasing the appeal of alcohol for them.

    >>2415746
    On the whole "con rave" joke: Cons really have no clue when it comes to hiring a competent DJ and its worse when they give the job to a volunteer according to the stories I've been told.

    If it were up to me, I'd be spinning a full spectrum of music (stuff like reggaeton, hard house, club mixes and jungle) not just the j-core/gabber/trance garbage that seems to pass for "con rave" music these days thanks to congoers and DJs with no real sense of taste.



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