People forget that - NO MATTER WHAT - if Bob feels like Bob one day, he wakes up the next day wanting to be known as Jill, that is only Jill's decision. It is not YOUR decision, YOUR FRIEND'S decision, it is HER decision. It is not even a tough decision, it is a TOUGH DECISION for HER and ONLY FOR HER.

And THAT is why no one should make fun of important qualities of one's self such as GENDER IDENTITY or SEXUAL ORIENTATION (I recognize there are so many others but for this letter and the way I have seen people talk about other people on this board, I know those are the two that are attacked the most).

Sincerely,
Jessica (aka Tripfag - Chiibiusa)

Get lost

I agree which is why I only make fun of fat people

tl;dr

I could name a dozen people who are both genderfucked and a complete asshole. at no point is their gender identity ever really on the table. right on.

I couldn't agree more. All the negativity, the hate and the anger needs to go away. We all enjoy the same hobbies here. We need to be more accepting and start treating each other with more respect.

I know that people will troll this thread, and that's fine, but I sincerely hope that at least some of you see these words and take them to heart. I know I have.

And I applaud Jessica for calling the board out on this.

tl;dr

Take it back to your livejournal.

who's the dyke that wrote this?

>>2253043
>>2253052
>>2253062
>>2253083
Trolls who know OP is right.

>>2253096

OP

>>2253062
Oh honey, you are completely missing the point of this <3
"An Open Letter to the Users of /cgl/"
hurpdurp Why would I post about it on my Livejournal if it is a LETTER FOR the USERS of /cgl/?

>>2253083
Hello! My name is Jessica. I tripfag as Chiibiusa !!pIlO985Zlfz. I have been cosplaying for awhile. Attached is a picture of my most recent cosplay (the kitchen has been CGed out since that is where the picture was taken but if you cry SHOOP I will post the untouched Original Photo).
And I am NOT a dyke. I AM STRAIGHT, have had a boyfriend for two years. Thank you for asking!

Hopefully this is the only time I will feel the need to reply to people. Otherwise, think of the OP and Part 2 on /cgl/'s proverbial coffee table.

>>2253057

Just because I like sex, it doesn't mean I can go around raping people. Just because you like cosplaying, doesn't mean you can go around making people hurl their lunches and gouge their own eyes out, fatties.

>>2253083
Actually, before you even ask for it, here's the untouched. I resized it but I literally do not have time (and would not find the time of day to cater to some anonymous ASSHOLE, which deep down you know you are).

I hope this is the clarification, >>2253083, that YOU personally needed because, lol, I don't need YOU. I know my words are right and because I am confident in my words and in myself, you literally cannot touch me or bring me down.

And now, good night /cgl/. I'm going to get a good night's sleep. <3

P.S. I'll be on AIM at some point tomorrow~ if anyone who reads this would like to talk to me for any reason I'll be on there and my screename is chiibiusa.

There's no way this is real. Unles OP is drunk and/or high and/or etc.

...
What?
I'm serious, what the hell is this?
I thought /cgl/ insulted something besides sexual orientation. (Physical looks, quality of cosplays, etc., etc.)
Apparently, I WAS WRONG.
I thought physical weight was attacked more then the issues OP has raised.
Because of this, I call bullshit.

A logical, non-RAAAAAAGE sage.

>>2253113
Wow... way to miss the point completely.

>>2253134
Or just an excuse to self-post and try to be the voice of reason despite having tripfagged for a total of less than a month. OP, what you wrote has been discussed in the past before and nothing happened.

>>2253102
P.S. If that was me, and attempting to post POSITIVE post in a message board we all now is NOT always positive, you don't think because I had the guts to start this conversation I wouldn't keep tripfagging? Oh, actually, here:

>>2253104
>>2253126

There's your proof I have the guts to reply to you assholes are just too much of an ASSHOLE to look at yourself and try to make YOURSELF better. And this is why I can look at YOU and even though I really don't know who the fuck you are I can not only TELL YOU you are wrong but show you WHY YOU ARE WRONG.

lol okay good night, for real.

>>2253136
I'm serious, what the hell is this?
I thought /cgl/ insulted something besides sexual orientation. (Physical looks, quality of cosplays, etc., etc.)
Apparently, I WAS WRONG.
I thought physical weight was attacked more then the issues OP has raised.
Because of this, I call bullshit.

I'd like to quote something from my OP or Part 2 post because OBVIOUSLY you did NOT read every word of what I said.
"GENDER IDENTITY or SEXUAL ORIENTATION (I recognize there are so many others but for this letter and the way I have seen people talk about other people on this board, I know those are the two that are attacked the most)."

taken from this full part:
"And THAT is why no one should make fun of important qualities of one's self such as GENDER IDENTITY or SEXUAL ORIENTATION (I recognize there are so many others but for this letter and the way I have seen people talk about other people on this board, I know those are the two that are attacked the most)."

Which is just above where I signed "the letter".

yeah yeah this thread is WORDS and all, but I want to see more of Chiibiusa

SUCCESSFUL troll is fucking SUCCESSFUL!

random CAPS LOCK emphasizes your POINT!

>>2253146
lolwut. She's not new.

>>2253134
No, I just have confidence. If I were drunk, high, or otherwise impaired, do you really think I'd be able to form clear thoughts?

>>2253146
I self posted because >>2253083 asked me who I was and I gave the anon a good text answer but because people are usually visual learners I included a picture of myself and BECAUSE before I tripfagged I lurked this board, I know how people are touchy to Photoshop so when I said CG I knew the next question was THAT'S SHOPPED. And then, included the same picture, only untouched. So no, it is NOT an excuse to self post, it was part of my reply to >>2253083.

>>2253182
Your random caps locking makes you sound high

>>2253182
Stop. Just stop. You're making yourself sound like an idiot. Really. Stop.

>>2253146
Oh, actually, I'm not done with you yet.

You said: "OP, what you wrote has been discussed in the past before and nothing happened."

Why I wrote and made this thread:
One of my friends told me on AIM that one of his friends does not feel comfortable ON THIS BOARD because THIS BOARD has been so cruel to them BECAUSE of what is in my letter - this board has made fun of their gender identity or sexual orientation to the point that my friend's friend feels uncomfortable and that was enough to write this out and do this.

Hmm I understand your sentiments dearly, but what I have seen on /cgl/ when it comes to that is that they are calling out those gender confused ones because they are annoying,attention whores and they have horrible personality traits, a COMMON HABIT in the 4chan community.

You seen on 4chan.org, it is known for being rude,judgmental and plan rude on here, the sheer chaotic design of this forum is to have no boundaries,to meet up together on the internet as anonymous to be base awful people. That is how this site works, if you go on any other LARGE forum, even before the chans, were full of internet tough guys that would love to try to project their pyshcial toughness thru the internet, which was foolish yet tended to flood forums on idiotic conversations startedb y ppl like this, there were many other characters like this, you can still see them on Youtube comments.

The fact that we're rude and dont give a fuck thru no names, is the reason we are able to cut thru the bullshit of the internet and get ot hardcore facts of whatever it is we need help on or knowledge that would take forever to find.
Even thru the powers of /b/ 4chan has managed to take out a lot of the faggotry of the forum sites. I understand your desire to break down what could be considered one of the worst drama problems next to attention whoring on /cgl/. But this site has created a functioning dysfunction on the internet, and to go against that would slowly destroy what it was built for.
I'm sorry if you think I'm being hateful, but this is true, it can be opened to debate, but this is what I believe since I first started lurking back when this site barely had 30,000. I'm not saying I'm correct, but I am asking you to take this OldFag's words into consideration.

>>2253197
Thank you for telling me stop.

If you noticed I said here:
>>2253126
"And now, good night /cgl/. I'm going to get a good night's sleep. <3"

Because I said that I can honestly say after I hit Submit to your comment, I will be going to bed.

Good night, /cgl/. See you in the morning~

>>2253162
Uh-huh.
Well, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Because I DID read everything you wrote. (In hindsight, a poor choice for me.)
My argument is that gender identity and sexual orientation are NOT the most attacked by /cgl/.
I say physical appearance and costume quality are the two things most often attacked in /cgl/.
Spoony/Hips threads for example. (Although there is other stuff, the majority of complaints are quality and appearance related.)

Nice work on quoting yourself, there.
Have any evidence to back this up?
Screencaps?
... Archived threads?

This wall of text will fall on deaf ears. Like >>2253146
said, this has been said before and the cycle will continue. Do I want it to? No. But nothing will change, guaranteed because there will always be people here just to troll other because that's why anonymity is there.

>>2253226
I think the only way it will change is if we get some actual moderation in here. Someone who will step up and start deleting derogatory posts, and banning repeat offenders.

This place is worse than Mos Eisely on most days.

>>2253256
>modding

LOL. Jokes on you.

>>2253256
What the fuck did you just say?

>>2253203

The problem is, is that a lot of 4chan'ers are fucking stupid. I would say retarded but I know some developmentally challenged folks and I don't want to insult them.

Facts? Sure, whatever. like the cold hard fact that if/ when you grow up and out of the mindset of being an self righteous ass you realize that there's a lot more to people than their gender or sexual orientation. 4chan doesn't cut through the bullshit, it just makes it worse.

>>2253226
Ugh Soni I KNOW. I know that because I know /cgl/.
This, and only this was my reason:
"One of my friends told me on AIM that one of his friends does not feel comfortable ON THIS BOARD because THIS BOARD has been so cruel to them BECAUSE of what is in my letter - this board has made fun of their gender identity or sexual orientation to the point that my friend's friend feels uncomfortable and that was enough to write this out and do this."
Which is in my comment >>2253202

I don't care about this thread falling on /cgl/'s deaf ears.
What I do care about is that one person felt uncomfortable about things said about them on here because of something they cannot change and WILL NOT change. That, is the only reason. Whatever else comes from this thread for the ENTIRETY OF /cgl/ is great, maybe it will make people stop and think, but - think of this that I DID THIS JUST FOR THAT ONE PERSON. NOT FOR /cgl/. I do not think and I am NOT doing /cgl/ a FAVOR.

I am only doing A FAVOR for the friend of MY friend.

Fucking hell guys, lol. Just read what I wrote, think about it, then go back into the threads you were reading and do what you always do. Ugh. I should've been sleeping 54 minutes ago.

I was under the impression /cgl/ was full of lesbians...now i'm confused

>>2253271
GO TO BED

>>2253273
Eh, I wouldn't say full of lesbians because if it were, a lot of the hot women posted here wouldn't be getting bashed. Just a lot of insecure women, with varying sexual orientations.

>>2253279
Going, mom. ;D

>>2253273
lol

I'm 12 and what is this?

ITT: Attentions whores, actual whores, queers and over dramatic pms'ing bitches

>>2253452
So which one are you?

HERP DERP lets make 4chon a better place gaiz

thats not the point of the boards, i'm also curious Chiibusa, if the friend of a friend of a friend was black and didnt like a racist joke on /b/ would you go yell at /b/ for it? if you would then youre fucking stupid, this 4chan its supposed to be mean

the whole purpose is to insult other ppl so the lesser may feel better about themselves,hell 4chan was modeled after 2chan one of the ost pathetic excuses of humans ever,my god

>>2253841

And yet, you embrace it...even encourage it. I bet you feel proud huh buddy!

Good morning, /cgl/! Hopefully this is the last time I will: have to post in this thread and you have to see this bumped to the front page. But I felt the need to reply to this anonymous:

>>2253841
You said: "thats not the point of the boards, i'm also curious Chiibusa, if the friend of a friend of a friend was black and didnt like a racist joke on /b/ would you go yell at /b/ for it? if you would then youre fucking stupid, this 4chan its supposed to be mean"

"thats not the point of the boards"
You're right with that. But, you are also wrong because you missed MY point of posting this.
I'm not trying to make THE BOARD 4CHAN, or this board /cgl/, "a better place" forever. I'm trying to make people THINK FOR FIVE SECONDS and I know I did that.

"i'm also curious Chiibusa, if the friend of a friend of a friend was black and didnt like a racist joke on /b/ would you go yell at /b/ for it?"
Uhh, why the fuck WOULD I do that? Everyone knows trying to reason with /b/ is futile. But /cgl/ is not /b/ and /b/ is NOT /cgl/.

"if you would then youre fucking stupid, this 4chan its supposed to be mean"
And because I just told you NO I WOULD NOT DO THAT, I suppose that means that I am not as stupid as you originally thought I was.


Going out to walk my dog around the neighborhood with my father. :) I won't post on /cgl/ any more today, I promise.

>>2253841

I was under the impression that 4chan was a user driven community where the tone is set by the users. Nothing about 4chan is inherently sexist or racist or mean. It just happened to turn out that way.

I find it pretty sad that a call to grow up a little is treated pretty badly.

>>2254445
>I find it pretty sad that a call to grow up a little is treated pretty badly

THIS.

Seriously, it's like lately all this board cares about is seeing who can cause the most drama and public humiliation. We need an overhaul here. We need to stop being so damn bitter and jealous and whatever else we are to put an end to this.

The reason I came to /cgl/ was to get away from that crap. I came here to learn and share and make friends within the cosplaying community. I did NOT come here to stress out, be made fun of, and worry about petty shit.

>>2254450
Then go to Cosplay.com, princess. :>

Fact of the matter is...4chan is a public discussion board. It is not in YOUR RIGHT to tell what people should and shouldnt discuss. You can disagree with them you its not in your authority on how the conversation should run. If you do not approve. Say you do not approve and dont participate in the conversation any more.

There are plenty of things I do not like with this board and that simply stems from the fact that I disagree with alot of people. But thats away conversations should go. People do not deserve the right to never be offended but I think they should not be heckled over. But thats more of a moral issue. Its up to the individual on how to handle it.

Just do your part and dont add to the hate if it really bothers you enough

>hello

>>2254776
fuck off you stupid dirty cunt.

"Happiness runneth after me. That is because I do not run after women. Happiness, however, is a woman."

thus spake Zarathustra

>>2254776
and this is one of the people OP is hopefully not talking about... because we all know that Aki is a gigantic faker.

>>2254776
so she made this thread?

Note: Again, I got the 'Field too long' Error message so I'm splitting up this comment into two parts; just know it should be treated as one 'comment'. Thanks! <3

Okay, I know I said that I was not going to post again today.
I only said that so you would not think I would, and I use the word 'you' as whoever is reading this post. No one individually but, you.
I said I would not be back today so I could 'disappear' and just watch this thread unfold as it did. And now I can say I do not have on 4chan.org at all for the rest of this day, October 19th, 2009, after I submit this comment to the thread.

>>2254765
I understand what you are trying to tell me, but you, Murrie !/rMxiN97Dw, are missing my point.

>>2254813
I am talking about her, him, whatever that person identifies because all I'm saying is their GENDER should not be what we're making fun of on /cgl/.
What I'm saying is: make fun of that person's costumes, construction techniques or lack thereof, or even THEIR ATTITUDE towards their gender identity (I know that person in particular because of how they present themselves, is not viewed, at least on /cgl/, that they are a 'true transgendered person'), but do not make fun of THEIR GENDER IDENTITY and their decision to identify as the gender THEY WISH TO BE KNOWN AS, because it is not just their 'gender identity', it is part of their big picture - their identity, their self, their Being.

>>2254943
No, I did. And just for you, 2254943, I am linking to my pictures again (not posting a new one so no one feels the need to call out 'excuse for self post'):
>>2253126
>>2253104
And if you, 2254943, or anyone else reading this comment needs more clarification on just who I am, I know that the CG can be found on my deviantart, where my username is chiibiusa. The original might be there - either in my gallery or scraps.

And finally:
>>2254802
Thank you :) My reason for this was just about doing my personal part in giving back a little more happiness to the world, and because part of my own world is going on /cgl/, I felt like if I could just make people think for five seconds before they post on here, maybe that's all /cgl/ needed to be a friendlier, not happier, but friendlier place. Thank you for your comment, who ever you are. <3

>>2254984
>Field too long

You would think that's telling you something...

>>2254988

There's a difference between someone who is truly a transgender

and someone who does it for the ''yaoi fangirl'' attention.

tl;dr

>>2254984

>>2254992
It's telling me I'm saying what I have to say and if I go literally over the expected limit of text I should be saying, if I say more than, FOR ME AND NOT WHAT YOU THINK, for me, I know I'm doing my job right. I use the word job for me and to be clear in my mind.

But I can understand why you think I'm full of shit and just tl;dr-ing.

>>2254998
I know, and I have already said that in so many words in Part 1 of the comment you linked/referred to.

Taken from Part 1:
"What I'm saying is: make fun of that person's costumes, construction techniques or lack thereof, or even THEIR ATTITUDE towards their gender identity (I know that person in particular because of how they present themselves, is not viewed, at least on /cgl/, that they are a 'true transgendered person')"

Basically, I HAVE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW PEOPLE HERE THINK SHE IS JUST A YAOI FANGIRL. I was trying to be considerate of all feelings. But what I am simply, very simply, trying to communicate is even though YOU think HE is a yaoi fangirl trying to be a boy because she likes boys fucking or whatever the fuck IT IS that YOU think about HIM ---

All I'm trying to say is that HE feels differently about HIMSELF than you feel about HIM. And I know after I submit this last comment you are going to say something like 'well duh, i knew that' but you did not know that before I created this thread, and THAT, who ever you are - Anonymous, Namefag/Tripfag under the veil of anonymous - THAT is why I made this thread.

I just made you, user who created the comment 2254998, THINK. I MADE YOU THINK WHILE YOU WERE ON /cgl/ and 4chan.org

And THAT, even THAT, and knowing I helped you accomplish THAT, is the big picture of why I made this thread. The reason: the friend of a friend. The big picture: /cgl/ in general.


Thank you for anyone listening and reading and following this thread this far.

>>2255031
Crap, my mistake. I see how that could have been confusing.

Instead of this:
What I'm saying is: make fun of that person's costumes, construction techniques or lack thereof, or even THEIR ATTITUDE towards their gender identity (I know that person in particular because of how they present themselves, is not viewed, at least on /cgl/, that they are a 'true transgendered person'

I MEANT this:
...that they are NOT a 'true transgendered person'

>>2255019
>>2255031
>>2255037
tl;dr

>>2255037
You act as if YOU were the one that made me think about this.

I know SEVERAL transgendered friends; and I'm sure I'm not the only anon that does; but for you to blatantly say that we should respect Aki's decision when ''he's'' denying what ''he'' really is and saying NO GUYS I JUST HAVE A DISEASE I WAS BORN WITH is just plain old STUPID.

I for one CARE about transgendered rights, but for people to go around pretending and doing so for ''fans'' and for attention does not give you the right to call yourself transgendered.

>I know SEVERAL transgendered friends;

¬_¬