sup limebarb

actually a majority of cosplayers have the time to make their costume but they are lazy and do not have the dedication to make their own

>>2240644

I bet the majority of cosplayers do not make their own spandex or leggings. Guess what? BOUGHT. Rage at them. Disqualify them from contests. Just a bunch of hypocrites.

most cosplayers don't even farm their own cotton

I don't ever see bought costumes being banned from cosplay contests and the fact that they made any part of there costume makes them a tad better then those who bought them and o spadex can be made by hand

>>2240658

This anon is wise

>>2240667

Can be, but usually not.

I think the poster of this is pissed because he holds no talent and wants an excuse

>>2240685
and just as everyone was getting along

>>2240667
the only category i think cosplayers who buy the majority of their costume should be banned from is obviously the one for handmade costumes, sewing skills, etc. there should be one of these, because some people are amazing seamstresses and should win something for their work. but other than that, as long as the person isn't all "hurr durr i made my costume that's obviously pictured on a website from a foriegn country that looks exactly the same right down to the errors in stitching and the materials used." and claims to make something they didn't make. that's just dishonest. otherwise, who cares? have fun dressing as a character you love.

the hardcore costume makers are just poor fuckers who have no money to spend on buying costumes so they buy materials to save money and make it themselves since they dont have jobs and have all the time in the world

its one thing not to have enough time/skill to not make your cosplays. But once you start insulting people who do, it just makes you look pathetic. I mean, really, don't put down people who actually put work into something.

>>2240699
Dude so with your logic you say if you have money waste it?

>>2240711

Not this faggot >>2240699 but OP has a point. Some cosplayers work hard for the money to buy their costumes and school and a job takes up all your time. They complete a dream costume and then they get denied when they enter contests. :S

>>2240699
Most materials used to make the well done ones are very expensive each piece if made with correct material is at the minimum of 45-to 60 dollars

>>2240736
I see what you mean i have seen bought costumes win my friend got his but it was out of luck in the fact that he could pass off as an actual version of the toon

>>2240698
I agree they should have categoreys for the both as seperate but there is an award at most shows for the bought costumes and that is best look alike it may not be a gettable award for some or many but it is an award none the less gettable by bought costumes

From a scientific point of view, we can analyze the input of the "hardcore cosplayer" and the "costume buying cosplayer".

A hardcore cosplayer invests time into the costume and less investment into money since buying materials to make the costume saves money.
Time Spent: Alot
Money Spent: Little to Moderate

A costume buying cosplayer invests both time and money into their costume. The time invested is the time spent working for it with their jobs. The money spent for it is the money earned from their job. Buying costumes online, as anyone knows, is not cheap. So..
Time Spent: Alot
Money Spent: Alot

The fact points to the costume buying cosplayer as the one who works harder on their costume.

If a person with no craftsmanship skills enters a contest in a bought costume, what kind of award are they supposed to win? Performance aside, the only award that would make sense would be a "look-alike" contest. However, most con masquerades are "craftsmanship" competitions, and there is really no place for purchased costumes there.

In addition, if bought costumes were allowed, it could easily be a "who can afford the most expensive shit" contest. Some people have rich parents and others work 3 jobs but either way, income should not be a consideration because it has nothing to do with having any craft skill.

Everyone has a different level of skill, and certain materials are more out of reach than others. For example, someone might be able to afford vacuum-forming, another might have to work with paper-mache. Which is more "craftsmanly"? This is a subjective and difficult process. There are varying degrees of skill and resources, and most people are somewhere in the middle of the range. Judges have to pick a cosplayer with maximum skill and dedication, which is obviously a tricky business. If a person doesn't have the equipment or resources necessary to weave their own cloth it's not really their fault.

TL:DR In a contest designed to test craftsmanship, judges are looking for the most skilled/dedicated entrant and therefore commissioned cosplays need not apply.

>>2240793
Many cosplayers I know buy things with their parent's money/daddy's credit card, which is neither an indicator of skill nor hard work.

>>2240793
You analysis is incorrect to many degrees
Science you shall not do again

The hardcore cosplayer spends both time and moeny on there costume both working for that money and time on the costume. And those of you who have made your costume do know that some materials do take great amounts of money to purchase

>>2240801

bars hosting halloween costume contests don't give a fuck about bought or made costumes. why should anime conventions? both are called costume contests.

>>2240793

you are not taking into consideration the work those making their cosplays have to do to make their money. They have to work too. There for they are putting more time and more work than someone who buys their cosplay, no matter what.

>>2240801
Best addition to this argument yet

>>2240801

If income cannot be taken into consideration because some people may have rich parents while others do not, why should those who make their costumes and those who buy their costumes be separated in a contest in whose costume is superior? The only difference between the one who makes their costume and the one who buys it is time. The amount of free time cosplayers have also varies like the income of a family, which you stated divided the two. They buy their costumes because they do not have the time to learn sewing or the do not have the time to spend on making it due to factors like school, jobs, social obligations. I see no difference between rich parents/poor parents and those with too much spare time/ those strapped for time.

>>2240832
Sadly the world must take into consideration and does
This is how it is deal with it

>>2240806

An exact replica of Cloud's sword from Advent Children made out of real steel sold for more then $1000 dollars on eBay. Your materials you buy will never amount to that much.

>>2240834
But the sword was purchased that has to deal with the money spent not the skill or time spent.
Spending your money on such a sword for that much becomes more a thing of flaunting money not skill!

>>2240839

The money has to come from somewhere. And seeing how the buyer wasn't a teenager, but an adult cosplayer, you can only assume that they worked their ass off in their job to afford it.

how bout this how would they hold a cosplay contest for bought costumes and two people bought the same exact costume from the same company then how will you judge them?

So according to this thread, even if Yaya bought her costume for NYAF and Yume cup she still deserves to win.

>>2240843

Obviously if they bought the exact same costumes, you can only base it on character reference. Size, shape, proportions, etc.

But wait, judges these days don't even bother asking for it.

>>2240851
Ok so then the judge has judge jenetics?

>>2240854

In your hypothetical situation, people would not go out of their way to cosplay as someone they are nowhere near similar to and buy the exact same costume as someone else and compete in the exact same costume contest.

>>2240865
o but cosplayers do dress up like people they don't look like and yes there is the possibility of them buying the same costume and going to the same convention

If you were to judge a costume on how it was bought how would you judge it?

>>2240870

If both are exactly the same costume, I would base it on the character reference. That's the whole point of a costume contest. To look like the one your imitating.

Wow...you sound an awful lot like the anon that was raging about frilly dresses winning costume contests last night. If you are the same person, successful trolling good sir or madam.

le sigh.

ITT: the trollfag from last night

>>2240872
So you are saying it's a beuty contest?
A judge of who has the right structure to be a toon they like?
Then what about people who don't look like any anime toon at all, shall we let them sit in the back and cry?

Wrong that means you are jugding the person not the costume.

>>2240832
First of all, I know many people, including myself, who go to school and work jobs who do still take the time to make costumes. After all, people do need to fund their hobbies somehow.

Secondly, consider a hypothetical judging situation:
2 people enter a contest, each costume cost $300 to produce. One is bought from a commissioner, one is hand-made. They look identical. How do you pick a winner? They both had to generate the income to support their hobby, so they are equal and that is a moot point.

Lets consider time spent. Commission person earns a measly 10/hr job, let's say a fast-food job. Somehow, they saved up the money. Anyways, to afford the costume, they had to work 30 hours at their job. This person is paying for a commission price which is ideally a sum total of the materials cost and the labor. The materials may have costed $150 and the labor then would be $150 (theoretically).

Person 2 works that same crappy $10/hr job that Person 1 has, so it still took 30 hours to make enough money. Person 2 would have spent all $300 on materials (since labor by their own hands is free). Time making costumes depends on the person, but it is usually many hours. Let's say they spent 20 hours making it (which I believe is a gross underestimate). The opportunity cost of spending 20 hours at the sewing machine is earning 20 hours of wages ($200). Therefore, the true "cost" of Person B's costume is more like "$500".

>>2240888

Economically, person B's costume has more value. Remember, "time spent" is the same as their wage (1 hour, $10). Person A's costume has $150 of wages/time spent on materials, $150 of wages/time on labor. Person B's costume is worth more because it has $300 of "wages/time" spent on materials and an extra $200 of time spent (with an opportunity cost of $10/hour) on labor.

Therefore, in a situation where 2 individuals are equally matched in wealth and their costumes are the same, a person who makes their costume has a higher value of their costume than one who commissions.

Anons I do believe this war is over.
Costumes bought should be judged
But the costumes made will have the advantage and win many of times over

>>2240891
Now let us consider if both contestants put the same amount of "time" into their costumes. This changes the dynamic of Person 2's "budget". Remember, their "budget"s are still equal, and the costumes are still identical.

Person 1 worked 30 hours at the fast food joint. They spent $300 on a costume, Where the commissioner asks $150 for materials and $150 for labor.

Person 2 worked 15 hours at a fast food joint. They spent that pay-check $150 on materials. In addition, they "spent" $150 for 15 hours of labor at a sewing machine (this is the opportunity cost of 15 hours of work, it's not actually "paid"). This is a total of $300 spent (both physically and from opportunity cost) on the costume.

They both "spent" the same amount of time/money. Who is going to win? From a judge's perspective, the only distinguishing factor is how the time is spent. Person 1 worked only at their fast food job, Person 2 worked less at their job and more at their sewing machine. As a judge, this is where "craftsmanship" comes into play. The person who's time is most spent on "crafting the costume" will win. It is a competition of relative skills. The one who spent the largest proportion of their time using their skills related to the hobby (sewing, prop-making, etc) is going to be given preference. Judges "honor of the trade" by having this preference.

>>2240909
Edit: It should read "Judges 'honor the trade' by having this preference."

How bought this the typical reaction to a bought costume is "o that's cool"

Whilst the response to a made costume is
"O wow that is awesome, great job!"

>>2240926
People respect those with skills, they like to imagine a person's sweat and blood going into a costume.

>>2240909
Why should a judge care where the costume came from?
If it was a "who can grow the biggest pumpkin contest" and two pumpkins weighed the same, do you think the judges care that person B paid someone to water his pumpkin? No, cause it's irrelevant.
Unless it's specifically stated that it's a contest of craftsmanship, we should assume that it's a contest of who can present the best costume.

successful troll is successful

>>2240810
most halloween contests at bars don't care about bought or made because they care about which chick is the hottest/sluttiest, as is tradition with halloween.

to answer the question, anime convention contests grew out of the sci-fi costume contests. They are based on the costuming guild. These were people smart enough to know there should be two competition areas; presentation and craftsmanship. Somewhere along the line, the weeaboo numbnuts combined the two to give us the clusterfuck we have today.

tl;dr the solution is to have separate presentation and craftsmanship awards

>>2240604
Cosplayers (/cgl/ in particular) don't really need VALID reasons to whine, bitch, and moan about things. They just do it... because.

costume contests should be renamed self craftmanship contests since you all think that is what its all about

I don't get it. The point of a costume contest is to see whose costume is superior. Some people are good at sewing so they make their own costumes. Others have no skills in sewing so they buy their costumes because it will be a million times better then anything they can make. Does all the judges expect the cosplayers to be gods of sewing? Because if they expect only to accept the self made costumes for judging, then they will expect alot of costumes with frayed edges, nonlinear sewing, and slanted lines. The point of a costume contest is to have the best costume, whatever the means. Costume making cosplayers just rage when they see a superior costume that was bought because their skills are not up to par.

you would think it would be about who embodies the character the most not whose the best at sewing

Performance can have bought costumes or made costumes. Craftsmanship can only have made costumes, not bought because the point of craftsmanship is how you crafted your costume and how well it came out. Not how much money you paid to have it done perfectly for you. Derp derp.

>>2241376
Please be trolling, as it really saddens me to think that people actually think this.

Cosplay has always been about making your own shit, since the days of Fory. Cosplay contests have always been about your own craftsmanship.
The ability to buy costumes from chinese sweatshops is a recent development in like the past three years. If a contest does have awards like best likeness, then sure, a bought costume could be allowed. And if you're going for performance in a masquerade, same deal. But why should you be judged for craftsmanship when you didn't do any craftsmanship?

>>2241392

If it is about craftmanship, then isn't it biased towards the people who sew/make props for a living? You know a carboard armor cannot compare to one made of plastic or even steel. But the cardboard crafter may not have the resources or knowledge to work with plastic and steel. So his/her only option is to buy it made since cardboard armor will not compare when judging. On the other hand, the person whose daily job is a seamstress or art designer has these resources at the ready and years of experience. Your train of logic shows that costume contests favor those who do cosplay related jobs for a living.

>>2241422
Not really, anyone can turn their particular set of skills into cosplay related help. It's not biased, people just need to use what they know, and if they don't know then they should learn. Like everyone else said; the craftsmanship contest are for people who craft their costumes. There is no bias against bought costumes in performance based contests.

>>2241422
>isn't it biased towards the people who sew/make props for a living?

Those sorts of people often are forced to compete at the most difficult division or out of competition. Different cons have different rules.

Troll harder

yes craftmansip juding favors people who can craft-and? It's like pointing out bake offs favor people who can cook.

>>2241428

if it was based on craftmanship, it would be called craftmanship contest. not costume contest.

>>2241432
>>2241428

Like the example earlier, a costume contest is like a pumpkin growing contest. The superior item wins. Growing the pumpkin is like assembling the costume. The materials for growing the pumpkin such as water, fertilizer, etc can be compared to materials used for the costume such as fabric, sewing, etc. The point is to see whose pumpkin is the biggest (whose costume is the best). Does it matter who waters your pumpkin or who applies the fertilizer? NO. It's just the size of the pumpkin (the quality of the costume).

If you were part of a baking competition, would you swing by a grocery store, pick up a few cupcakes and enter them? No.

DEAREST TROLL,
You don't seem to understand that craftsmanship judging is for the sake of judging how much skill YOU have as a costumer. Not just how "GOOD" your costume is, now how much you look like the character, but how good YOU are at making things YOURSELF.

I honestly think it's a way for the fat seamstresses to keep the competition easier for them.

We all know there are loads of attractive women who would and do cosplay bought costumes, and if they were allowed, the fat chicks wouldn't win at anything which would lead to "BAWW people should win something just because of the werk they put into it!!"

Maybe they should put work into their treadmills and then it wouldn't matter.

>>2241447
Logically, the personally handmade cupcake should have nothing to fear from the store bought cupcake. If you make your own costume you already have the advantage of making it fit more accurately to you. Is that not enough of an advantage?

>>2241422
There are different levels of judging for a reason. New cosplayers with less experience aren't put up against costuming masters. Even so, there's no reason why something made of cardboard couldn't be just as impressive as something in plastic. It's all in the skills you have to work with the material.

Skills are learned. That's how you become a better costumer. I've been cosplaying for ~6 years. Sure, the first few outfits I made looked like shit, but with experience I now can make nicely tailored costumes from scratch. People who buy their costumes will NEVER develop any costuming skill, because they've never tried. We all started from nothing.

>>2241609
And for those who think "Why would I want to learn when I can just keep buying?":
Chicks dig guys who can sew. It's manlier than you think.
You show up at a social event, a lady compliments your unique suit jacket, and you can reply that you tailored it yourself? Bam, instant pussy.

jealous fatties and ugly bitches will never win a real cosplay prize, even when they got maximun sewing skills. face da truth bitches!

>>2240810
there actually are more aspects to a costume contest than just making clothing. what about someone who cosplays as a character who wears normal clothes, but has ridiculous hair? there is no reason for them to make a tshirt and jeans themselves, but they will probably need to make a wig. what about the fact that almost no one looks like an anime character? hair, wigs, and makeup by themselves for some characters can be a lot of work. so can the presentation of being able to act and sound like the character. or what about people who make parts of their costume, but find some of it at a thrift store? or people who only need to do something like screenprint a pattern onto a tshirt? there are many people who can not get their costume of choice on ebay because it's not on there. if they find a dress that only needs to have a small amount of the hem cut to look like their character at a thrift shop, etc. does that make them somehow lesser than you?

>>2240883
hair and makeup can work wonders. or wigs and makeup. i actually think that if you dye your hair or don't use a wig and still manage to get your hair to do the things many anime character's hair does, you should get a prize. maybe we should have more categories?

>>2240888
retail and food service both make MUCH less than $10 an hour. they're lucky if they can make eight.
>>2240994
again. there are ways other than genetics and sewing to look the best at cosplaying a specific character. makeup, hair, wigs, knowing how to wear the clothes correctly (some cosplayers of certain characters make beautiful costumes that should obviously include a petticoat, and then ruin them by not including one.) acting, etc.
>>2241090
>>2241525
these.

ITT: trolls butthurt over the fact that they don't have enough skill to win a real award in a legitimate competition

In a costume contest, you judge the final product, not the process that goes into it.

Hypothetically, assume there are two people who made the exact same costume from scratch. Except one of them works for a seamstress for a living and makes the costume in a week. The other is new to sewing and labors over the costume for a month. If they both make the exact same costume (lets assume the newbie copied everything the seamstress does), are you going to debate over the amount of work each person does when judging the costumes? No. So the same shouldn't be applied to those who buy their costumes. It's the final product that counts, not the work put into it.

while we're at it, lolita is a fetish and Jessica is the best cosplayer.

>>2241775
That implies that I could go out and get a professional to make me something like a D-9 alien mech and I should be allowed to enter, blowing everyone away.

this thread makes me want to never bother with this hobby again.

>>2241781

Why not? You worked hard for the money so why shouldn't you be able to spend it on perfecting your costume? It takes a good seamstress maybe a day to finish a costume and it takes months to make enough money at a job to buy a costume. Heck, my friends even made their costume the day before the costume contest and they still won a prize (AFO 2009). And don't assume just because some kids have rich parents that the parents allow them to buy whatever they want. If parents knew they were spending it on cosplay, you can bet they get disowned.

>>2241090
>>most halloween contests at bars don't care about bought or made because they care about which chick is the hottest/sluttiest, as is tradition with halloween.


sounds an awful lot like a butthurt fat ugly dyke

>>2241447

Because that is a BAKING contest, not a TASTIEST CUPCAKE contest

Just like it's a COSTUME contest, not a COSTUME-MAKING contest

Spending money doesn't take talent, it takes privilege.
Same with people who happen to look a lot like a particular character.
Contests don't award privilege, they award TALENT.

>>2241869

Those without talent use hard work to earn money to hire those with talent. Nothing wrong with that.

Denying people who buy their costumes from contest judging for awards like best in show is like denying people with plastic surgery from modeling. They bought their body instead of working for it, but they still get to compete. Same rules should be used for something as simple as a costume contest.

As it's been said before, cons give CRAFTSMANSHIP awards and PRESENTATION awards. Presentation means you're being judges on your performance, not your costume.

Craftsmanship is being judged on your costume. What is the point of being judged on a costume you bought? It's stupid to enter a craftsmanship contest with a costume you didn't make unless the person who made it goes with you and they're the one receiving the award.

This hobby may not be just about making costumes, but a lot of people DO work hard to make their costumes and it's the work they put into it that is being judged. I would never enter my Rob Lucci costume into a craftsmanship contest because it's a suit and hat I bought that I sewed a pigeon and some ribbon to. That's not making a costume, no matter how "close to the character" I look (which I don't since I'm a 5 foot girl).

Tl;Dr: If you don't want to make your costume, why enter craftsmanship? You're obviously doing it for fun why compete for that award? Go for presentation if you want a trophy/certificate/DVD, but don't complain when someone who's costume isn't as nice as yours, but is handmade, wins that craftsmanship award.

This thread is nothing but some troll complaining about not being allowed to compete because they bought their costume.

>>2241910

If it was a a contest for craftmanship it would be called a craftmanship contest, not a COSTUME contest. Just like how a beauty contest is called a beauty contest, not a "Gym workout" contest.

>>2241915

>>2241910

So people can't say they work hard to make their money to complete the costume?

Should people who work 3 jobs to get money to buy parts of their costumes be denied entry?

Should people who actually workout to look like their character add into account the hours/months/years invested into their body as part of the costume effort?

Your only including sewing time into what is being judged. Not everyone needs to sew for their costume. Other costumes involve other features like a unique body, unique prop, and such.

>>2241928
>dey see me trollan, dey hatin'

>>2241928
Not necessarily. They call it a "costume contest" because it sounds better and is a more widely used term.

Plus most contests RULES only allow self-made costumes. So should you enter a store bought one just because all the rules and specifics aren't mentioned in the TITLE alone.

Furthermore, if we used your logic, a "craftsmanship contest" could include someone showing off a wooden chair they crafted. "oh, the title didn't say it had to be a costume or anime related!1!!"

>>2241928
>HURR SEMANTICS DEBATE

>>2241936
If you don't make it yourself, you can't qualify for much more than presentation awards. Stop fucking whining and deal with it or learn to make things yourself.

wow asshurt much OP. if your entering the Hall for CRAFTSMANSHIP. then you make your costume.

If your entering the Masquerade for over all look and performance. then you can buy your costume.

What don't yall get about this??


>>2241628
eeewwww pussy

>>2241915
Agreed. This shit is stupid. Every single response to a legitimate thought-out reply is basically "wahh wahh use better terminology then because I'm gonna nitpick every minute detail of the words you use and the terms the entire cosplay community use and have been using for years!"
Some people call it a cosplay contest, some call it masquerade.
Wtfever stfu and lrn2sew/bawww more jealous butthurt fatty mcfat-tan fag troll.

>>2241936
>Should people who work 3 jobs to get money to buy parts of their costumes be denied entry?
>etc.

Yes, they should be denied entry for not reading the rules. Just the same as someone should be disqualified for bringing a Sports Car to a Truck race or something.

There's not usually hate for people in store bought costumes unless they enter it in craftsmanship contests...those are for people who made their own costumes.
Contrary to popular believe amongst con noobs it's NOT a look a like contest. It's based on how accurately you can replicate the design.

Skits on the other hand are performance based so a lot of cons allow pre-made costumes for those.

For just wandering around in the halls..no one gives a shit if you made it or bought it.
>>2240736
How is buying something "complete"ing your costume. Sorry but clicking a "BUY IT NOW" button is not effort.
>>2241422
This is why divisions in craftsmanship are made.
>>2241433
You're just getting caught up in technicalities.

tl;dr: FUCKIN BAW MOAR.

>>2241962

If someone worked years for a body like Strong Arm Alchemist Armstrong from FMA and had his other parts of his costume like pants and gloves and stuff, we can't he compete with those who made dresses and such? Judges dismiss it too quickly because it is a "simple" costume compared to dresses even though spending years on getting the body is more time invested then just sewing a dress. And getting that body is a shitload more work then having a machine punch string through fabric.

>>2241936
My viewpoint is that you don't have to make a costume if it would be easier and cheaper to buy it (school uniforms are a good example of this), however, you can't enter it in a contest directed at making costumes.

Otakon's (for an example) rules for the masquerade state: Purchased, professionally made or rented costumes will be excluded from craftsmanship judging. Costumes consisting mostly or entirely of store bought or commissioned items will also be excluded.

# Designers of costumes being judged for costume craftsmanship must be a member of your skit. If the designer is not the individual modeling the costume, they must be present during craftsmanship judging to explain their construction techniques. The designer may also wear a costume to present for craftsmanship judging.

# Store bought, purchased, professionally made or commissioned props or other elements of costumes will be excluded from craftsmanship judging, and will not be factored into the participant’s score.

BUT ALSO SAYS

All or part of your entry may participate in craftsmanship judging. You must indicate which members of your skit are participating in judging on your entry form.

Your entire group doesn't have to make their costumes, but you can't win an award for craftsmanship on a costume that wasn't made by someone in the group. Buying them, while taking effort to make the money, does not show the skill that is being rewarded with the award. Craftsmanship awards are a reward for hard work in MAKING a costume, not in making the MONEY for a costume and buying it from someone else.

>>2241986
A MUSCULAR BODY ISN'T A COSTUME YOU FAGGOT

>>2241986
>can't he compete with those who made dresses and such?
No, because he didn't make the clothes he's wearing.

>Judges dismiss it too quickly because it is a "simple" costume
Because it is.

Fucking whiner.

>>2241781
Actually at most higher level cons you can. You just need to have the person that makes it fill out the right paperwork and then everything you win will be award directly to them for making you such an awesome costume.

>>2241986
Again, it's NOT a look alike contest.

>>2242009
It's usually not a matter of paperwork. The person that made it usually has to actually be physically present to explain how the costume was made in order to qualify for a win.

>>2242019
That and Armstrong does keep his clothes on occassionally. A really well made, well tailored and detailed State Alchemists uniform isn't an "easy" costume by any means.

>>2241996

Having a muscular body is a product of a craft called body building. Since you say costume contests are based on craftmanship, body building should be accounted as part of the costume.

This is either a really awesome troll or the stupidest 14 year old kid I have ever seen.

costume contests = sewing contests

males should not apply because what male character wears a dress? all other male costumes are too "simple"

>>2242050
It's a troll. Saying the stuff that the 14 year old kids whine about.

it's called an anime convention. not a dress up like anime convention, you fags

>this thread

>>2242063
We're nowhere near the bump limit and that's our only hope!

>>2241996
>>2242003

Get off your sewing machine and go to the gym faggot!

Just wondering, where would designing your own costume, deciding the materials used on your own, then give the designs to a craftsman because you suck at the "making" part of it? Where would that fall onto?

A Peter Pan dress up costume is a Peter Pan dress up costume whether you made it or not.

You look equally a faggot in either one.

>>2242098

It should be allowed to compete since you designed the majority of the costume. It's no different from people sending items to get coated with metal and plastic for their props which they made. But then again, it will end up better then the other people who make it themselves. And of course they will complain and the judges will crumble under their cries of inferiority.

>designing your own costume

>>2242120

You make the measurements, you draw out the design on the fabric, and you give it to someone else to sew. That's still making your costume. The person's just not dumb enough to waste time on manual labor.

>>2242120
Well, a good example where you do need to design is clothes in different proportions. Like costumes for RO and Maple Story. You don't expect people to use the same clothing proportions as the SD(super-deformed) characters, do you?
Changing proportions and still have it look good takes designing skills and craftsmanship.

NOW GTFO, TROLL.

>>2242139
and then when they don't win anything. We get to hear about it here. Joy.. .. ..

>>2242139
You DESIGNED it. You didn't MAKE it.
Keywords here are designed and make.
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>2242206

You pay someone to farm the cotton or silk to make your fabrics, why can't you pay someone to sew your fabrics? Your both paying someone for their services. Stop being a hypocrite.

>>2242807
>butthurt troll still trying
>still failing

itt: fat seamstresses trying to defend themselves and secure their handicap in costume contests by saying its a craftsmanship contest and costumes cant be bought because they are better then their own work

>>2242818
>as though there aren't separate divisions for craftsmanship and presentation

>fail troll had to go anonymous, still using semantics argument

>>2242833

there may be seperate awards for presentation and craftsmanship but bought costumes are denied best of show award and that's the only award that matters because any big con gives money for it

>>2242839

last con I went to gave the winner 400 bucks : \

>>2242807
Is it a farming competition? No, it's a CRAFTSMANSHIP competition.

>>2243095

someone here doesn't understand the analogy..... oh wait too big of a word for her. get back to the kitchen woman

>>2243095
So why do they keep letting all those fat cows in the contest?

>>2243107

Welp, I'm glad to see this thread still going strong. OP, I'm curious, what costumes have you bought and entered with, and at what cons?

>>2243117
Yes, OP....and I'm guessing you were at Supercon in Miami recently based on your previous posts. What were you dressed as there?

>>2243105

>>2243135
>>2243117

I commissioned this piece for Anime Expo 2007. Cost me $400. When the judges asked me if I made my costume, I said that I bought it and they stopped asking me questions after that. I stood there waiting and then asked them if that was it and they said yes. Since I was the last person in line for judging because it was really hard to move in it so I waited as the line went by, I asked them how did I do since I wasn't going to bother walking up on stage if didn't win anything because I had been in the costume all day and it was really hard to walk up stairs to the stage. They told me that my costume was bought and that I couldn't really get any award. Fuck you judges.

Wait wait... when did making your costume become hardcore? We ALL used to make our costumes less than 5-7 years ago.
You couldn't buy this shit unless you knew a seamstress and people our age just didn't unless it was grandma.

Making your costume isn't hardcore. It's what made this hobby.
When everyone starts buying their stuff from ebay it carries an entirely different connotation of hobby. More like, "look what I can afford" rather than "look at what I can do"
Granted you can argue that with people who construct their cosplay being able to afford expensive materials are saying "look at what I can afford". But everyone knows that with enough talent you can take cheap materials and make it into something awesome. Take Featherweight for instance...

>>2243117
Yeah fatty. What XXL ill fitting costume from China did you have to order to fit your whale ass?

>>2243159
Do you actually mean that gundam?

For 400 dollars?

>>2243159
Yo dumbshit, you can't win a craftsmanship contest with something you didn't make, end of fucking story.

That's like entering a baking contest at a fair with pies you bought at the supermarket, or that your friend Sally made. Can't tell the judges how it was made, bit by bit? GO THE FUCK AWAY.

>>2243159
Had you even bothered to read the rules you'd realize that YOU DIDN'T QUALIFY.
Lack of reading on your part doesn't make the judges or AX bad.

>>2243162

pretty sure that's a Pepakura design. Not hard to make that with all the designs online. Just print and wallah, prop done.

and good props only get you best prop awards.

The contest is "who can create the best costume," not "who is the best project manager."

That being said, there is a place for "no holds barred" costume contests. A higher level of competition would elevate cosplay IMO.

>>2243171
If that's all you're putting your time and effort into, then well, yeah. Best prop is all you're going to get. Now, if you put that much effort into your WHOLE costume, then you have a MUCH better chance at winning BiS.

>>2243159
That's really unfortunate that you didn't make that. It's pretty kickass.

>>2243169
>>2243170
I swear to God there's one at every con I've ever judged in.
When this happens we just politely thank them and still let them walk across stage.
Later when they come back and ask about how they didn't win I whip out a copy of the rules and read it to them.
Awards go to deserving people and they still get their little glory moment on stage.

>>2243169

Yeah, I didn't make the costume, but I worked for the $400 you dumb fuck. Why would I make a fail costume by hand if I don't know how to do it. I rather pay someone who does with the money I earned. Like the ones who make their costumes, I expect an award for the work I put into it.

I hadn't really noticed JUST how rage-inducing this is for some people.

Will be trolling /cgl/ shortly.

>>2243180
Everyone does, at first. They get better over time.
You're like "oh hi. I know you've been working on improving how you make costumes and as an amateur this is your best yet but I bought a professionally made costume so fuck your progress."

LOLLLLLL

>>2243180
Stop bawwing like a bitch. You didn't make it, the contest is for those who physically make the actual costume. You don't get a fucking award for going to work and making money.

Hey, I went to work today. GIMME A FUCKIN GOLD MEDAL.

p.s., bitch less about $400, that's pocket change for a costume like that and you got a damn good deal.

>>2243185
It took you this long and this many threads to figure that out?

>>2243180
>continuing the same bullshit argument people got tired of from earlier

>>2243180
Hey bitch, I work for the materials for my costumes AND I make them AND I work full time so my free time is more valuable.
You pay someone and sit back. That's not work. That's sitting on your ass and expecting something for nothing.
That's the epitome of being an entitlement bitch and pure lazyness. If you want an award get off your lazy ass and fucking learn to make it and EARN it.

>>2243195

Ok, compare you sitting in an air-conditioned room on a chair just tapping the pedal on your sewing machine for a few hours to me working doing manual labor from 7am-5 pm everyday (it was summer and the only job I could find) for weeks to earn that money. Oh yes, I didn't put any work into completing the costume.... fuck you.

>>2243210
>Fight Club quote
>FMA

>>2243213
Uh, huh, whatever, kiddo. I hold a steady job, attend classes full-time, AND manage to pump out costumes. Only job you could find, my ass. You just don't have any marketable talents which could land a better one.

>>2243213

Wow. This is got to be trolling.

>>2243222
I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT SINCE FOREVER. D:

>>2243214
don't get too upset anon..it was just a random find when I entered "special snowflake" into google search.

>>2243221

Oh yea, like you can find any place hiring someone for a few weeks for summer break. Not all people go to community college. Other people, such as myself, go out of state.

>>2243222
I'm really hoping so, actually.

I can't imagine making such a failtastic logical leap..."I worked in a shit job in the sun -> to make money -> to PAY someone to make me a costume -> I DESERVE TO WIN A CRAFTSMANSHIP AWARD"

Srsly, wut.

>>2243213
Uhhhh.....I know this is a troll, but fuck if I didn't rage still. How do you think we afford to pay for the sewing machine, fabric, needles, thread, etc. for the costumes? Hurr...we all have jobs.

>>2243213
I sit in my non air conditioned room and sew AFTER I get home from my full time manual labor job.
Shut up you whiney bitch.

>>2243235
>implying you're in college
>summer break
why is summer still here? fucking summerfags stay the fuck out

>>2243235
I take classes in the summer, too, and you know nothing about my education.

Stop trying to change the subject, you don't get a fucking medal, this isn't a pity party.

You didn't make the costume = you don't get an award for making it.

Read the rules before you fail and bitch.

>>2243235

>>2243213
What's your name? I want to make sure I never take a commission from you.

>>2243259
I'm pretty sure they won't be commissioning or buying anything because they're a troll, so you don't have to worry. They won't actually wear a costume or enter a contest, they just want to make people rage.

>>2243180
>Like the ones who make their costumes, I expect an award for the work I put into it.

earning money to buy a costume =/= earning money to buy materials and expending one's own efforts and time to make a costume.

You don't get an award.

END OF STORY.

>>2243256

>>a steady job, attend classes full-time
>>attend summer classes
>>fulltime job + full-time classes + summer classes
>>community college

>>2243282
Lol, no. I work full-time, attend school full-time, and it's a state university. Not a community college. Furthermore, it's one of the top 10 universities in the country for Education majors. Your logic does not apply to everyone.

>never seen summer classes
>must be in high school

Who gives a shit if you made your costume or not? As long as you don't take credit for someone else's work, what's the big deal?

>>2243313
>>did not read the thread