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    110 KB Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:16 No.1566455  
    'Sup /cgl/,
    We live in trying economic times, and I feel like we're a tight-enough knit group that we can have an only tangentially cosplay-related discussion, so what I want to know from you is this: how bad has it gotten out there?

    Have you been laid off? What about your friends? Those of you who are graduating this year, do you have a job offer?

    Have you had to scale back your cosplaying? How about your attendance at cons? Did you get your own room at hotels in the past? Are you sharing this time around?

    How have you cut back, and what are you doing to save money? Or are you doing anything at all? Do you feel safe and secure in your job?

    ITT, we discuss.

    My company has had 15% layoffs already and there are very strong indicators of more to come. I am trying to stay cash-rich, so I have already cut out all cosplay activity from my budget. No cons, no new costumes, and I'm thinking about trying to recover some money from my old costumes by selling them. I stopped eating out a month ago and try to eat on ~$2/day now, or roughly ramen, a can of soup, and some bread and vegetables. My taxes are already done, and my refund is going right into my safety fund. I'm trying to work up to a full year of cash reserves for living expenses. Currently I'm at about four months. I am about 70% confident I won't lose my job in the next round of layoffs. It's difficult for me to say. At this point I'm really just planning that I WILL be laid off.
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:18 No.1566463
    Tl;DR
    Dont care
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:20 No.1566468
    I don't have a job, and it's like pulling teeth for me to find one. I've been trying to subsist on commissions, but it's been getting really difficult.

    I was trying to make it to New York Comic Con but had to cut that out of my budget. Katsucon is looking shaky this year too :|
    >> E-mail me if you disagree. TheMikado !MikadonohM 01/19/09(Mon)22:21 No.1566470
    >>1566455

    This is a forum where people dress up and pretend to be other people so that they can escape from real life issues like the economy. What the fuck were you thinking?
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:22 No.1566472
    >>1566455
    Yeah, whatever, I have jewelry. I'll live off my precious metals thanks very much.
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:25 No.1566476
    I still have my job, but it doesn't pay nearly enough. I'm down to one con a year. My boyfriend is struggling in his job search..

    No I don't feel secure in my job and I'm sure it'll be gone by next june at this rate.

    I've been recycling more materials in my costumes. thats about it
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:25 No.1566478
    I wish I could resort to prostitution, but it'd end up here somehow ;_;
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:30 No.1566490
    My dad's being laid off next month, and my job-getting prospects don't look to good up by my school. It's killing my con funds dramatically, and I've resorted to selling some of my anime-related stuff online. It's really killing me, because I have an attachment, but I gotta do what I gotta do.
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:30 No.1566491
    >>1566472
    I doubt you'd make much with them. My dad works with metals and it's pretty much dropped like a rock. Almost $5 CAN today alone.
    My family is having it pretty hard because of it.
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:31 No.1566493
    Hey I'm living off of craiglist right now lol
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:33 No.1566500
    Whatever bitches, I'm rich.
    I'm gonna go frivolously buy fabric and complain about not being able to store it.
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:34 No.1566502
    >>1566478
    sup baby :cool:
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:35 No.1566506
    No new costumes, no big and expensive cons...hopping things get better with america's new goverment.
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:35 No.1566508
    >>1566478
    Wow, THAT is the primary thing keeping you from resorting prostitution?

    Golf clap, /cgl/. Golf clap.
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:38 No.1566511
    I'm in college that I don't have to pay for and my parent's jobs are secure and actually benefit from the shitty economy so the money just keeps pouring in. How sweet it is.
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:38 No.1566513
    >>1566491

    That doesn't make any sense... everyone and their dog is buying gold with the economy the way it is. The price should be skyrocketing because of all the demand, not dropping.
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:39 No.1566519
    I work at a major hospital, and I feel like I am in a truly recession proof job. we fired 2 people from my group in december cause they never showed up on time, so we're actually low on people. The only way someone in this place can be fired is for stealing something or not showing up on time, so I'm very secure. I feel like I'm being kind of selfish flaunting my good fortune, so to give back, if anyone in houston has a bio-science degree, I can hook you up with at least an interview.
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:43 No.1566524
    I just got a job 2 weeks ago, I hadn't been working for the last ... 5 months? Well I'd been working but not anything full time or paid more than min wage. My boyfriend however pays 90% of my bills and he has a very secure job though his company just laid off a bunch of people. He's about 95% sure he won't be cut because he works on the biggest cash cow the company has. (the whole paying most of my bills thing is just until I've been working a while, he still makes 4X what I make even with a decent job.)

    I've scaled back plans some... I try to use more $1 a yard fabric and keep total costs on costumes down to less than $200 a costume.
    (I've spent as much as $1,000 on a single costume before) I'm also trying to come up with plans to make things with the fabric I already have instead of buying new stuff.

    I'm still going to Katsucon, Megacon, Otakon, Metrocon, and Dragoncon.
    I'm thinking of cutting AWA all together since it's so close to Dragon and that's a lot of money to spend all at once. Katsu's pretty much already paid for, if I have to I'll cut Otakon.

    I used to go to a whole lot of local cons (Jacon, Afo, Anime Express, Jani/EXP con) and I think I'm cutting most of those, or if I do go I'll just drive down and stay for the day. In the past I used to get a hotel room.
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:43 No.1566525
    I was laid off in mid Dec, so I've been living off of unemployment and toy commissions. We're sticking to local things and no new cosplay. But I have an interview tomorrow, so here's hoping.
    >> Oshi !pkMVShM4AY 01/19/09(Mon)22:46 No.1566530
    I was supposed to be hired on with my company and making 25/hr plus benefits in June.
    It's now January and I'm still contracted at 15/hr.

    Cut down on gaming spending so I can save up enough for taxes and still afford Ohayo and Katsu. Those two are kind of my big splurge until ANext in June.
    Fortunately all my materials for the costumes for the two have been bought months ago. Minus a $0.67 piece of fleece.

    Haven't been driving much, including visiting the gf, to save on gas, despite falling prices.

    I want to cut down on food spending, but lunch is my big meal of the day, there's usually jack shit in the fridge to bring, and my food sources near work are limited and not too cheap when trying to eat healthy.
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:51 No.1566540
    >>1566513
    Well that's what's happening. /:
    And gold isn't the only precious metal, most people don't realize. Steel, aluminiums, and all that jazz also fall into that category. With all the automotive cuts and the economy with the way it is, there has been a big drop in demand for those materials.
    Just because people are buying gold, and I know plenty are selling in this situation, doesn't affect all metals.
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:51 No.1566541
    >>1566513
    Also ITT: Ron Paul supporters actually believe people other than Ron Paul supporters care about hard money.
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)22:57 No.1566559
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    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)23:20 No.1566640
    My job cut the evening shift in our factory (I made products in the evening shifts, and worked in the shop on the weekends), plus my Sunday shift, AND I've been sent home early every day since the holidays ended, so instead of making close to $400, I'm making a mere $100 every two weeks. My bills are usually a little over $200, so I'm donating plasma to make ends meet. My friend works at Pizza Hut, and said they need a pizza delivery person, and I'm just desperate enough to take it.

    I'm not even sure if I'll be able to finish the cosplays I started, and I'm going to have to start saving pretty soon just to be able to afford the hotel (thank god I only paid $30 for my Acen badge). I already had to bail on two conventions in the past 3 months, and this time I'm going to have to pay part of the hotel room for Ohayocon because I just don't feel it's fair to bail on such short notice and not leave them SOMETHING to fill in the price gap.

    God, this is a depressing thread. Hopefully the economy shapes up before I graduate college and move on to get my master's degree, but my hopes aren't high.
    >> sebastian !QzrU9Y5.76 01/19/09(Mon)23:31 No.1566678
    Our (the UK's) economy has gone even more down the shitter than the US', but I'm still living it up, no money woes for me. I'm upper-middleclass and loaded. Fuck all you poor people.

    Heelin' it up with the cheap heat here.
    >> JABI !Amna74sYWM 01/19/09(Mon)23:34 No.1566685
    I lost my job back in October, which is terrible no matter what the economy is like. But thanks to the way the economy is now, find a job has been fruitless. It wasn't exactly any better when my car broke down a week later so actually going out and LOOKING for a job was a hassle.

    I was lucky that ALA came right after Christmas so all my Christmas money went to making it to the con.
    >> /b/lackula !bQZuI.nr1c 01/19/09(Mon)23:45 No.1566715
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    Can't say that taxi driving is recession-proof. Even when it's pouring rain,-10F and 12 inches of snow on the ground,people now would rather walk through that shit than hop in a cab. My mom might need to get a new car since her current one got almost totaled so I may have to give up my own car to help put extra money in the house but for her I'd do it.

    Definetly cutting a few cons from my line-up this year. Doesn't bother me too much though.

    AX is still a definite. Need to buy the tickets some time in Feb.

    Oh and tax time. Private contractor job means I probably gotta pay the IRS this year.
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)23:49 No.1566729
    >>1566678
    Congrats for having money. Too bad you're a piece of shit though huh? : /
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)23:57 No.1566741
    This anon works in the restaurant business. While my job is cutting back on its perks (fewer free meals) and finding dumb excuses to fire people, it's not because our specific restaurant is doing poorly but rather because the company as a whole isn't making as much. I'm still rolling in dough.

    We're helped by being located in the Greater Washington DC area, which means that those 3 million people going to see the inaguration? They're at the hotels across the street from my job. Moolah for me!
    >> Anonymous 01/19/09(Mon)23:57 No.1566742
    >>1566540
    Actually a lot of people in my town have been stealing cars and large appliances to sell for scrap metal.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:06 No.1566771
    I've been trying to develop many streams of income online since June 2008. If my progress keeps getting better like it has I'm on my way to making over $5000US per month and I'll actually be able to quit my job in a few more months. Affiliates ftw. I'd rather be making money from 1% of 1000's of peoples effort then 100% of my own effort. : )
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:09 No.1566783
    >>1566741
    So you have a good week, and that's generous.

    Still, I guess we're at a point where even A Good Week is A Good Thing...making the books for a month means staving off layoffs...for a month.
    >> sebastian !QzrU9Y5.76 01/20/09(Tue)00:10 No.1566789
    >>1566729
    Think I give a shit?

    I'm getting bored of my 32" HDTV, I'm gonna buy a 46 or 50-incher. Right now. And a new 360 Elite. What's that, and a PS3? Yeah why not. Think I'll buy myself a new iPod too while I'm at it.

    No seriously, I'm buying that right now. £2230 total plus delivery.

    I fucking love being loaded.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:12 No.1566791
    I'm gonna donate blood plasma to be able to afford Katsucon. Well actually, I can afford it, I just feel bad spending so much on traveling to a nerd event so I feel a need to earn dough to make up for it.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:17 No.1566810
    >>1566742
    For a quick buck, amirite?
    It really won't get them much. Pops used to make $1000+ on a good week, now we're lucky enough to make $150 a week.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:18 No.1566816
    I work for the federal gub'mit, so my job is about as secure as it gets.

    However, I'm starting grad school in the fall. I'm trying to cut back on expenses. I skipped setsucon--didn't need to pay for the gas or the hotel. I've stopped buying manga (I used to get about 2-3 a month). I bought a big jar of instant coffee and am drinking that instead of going to the commissary every day.

    On a bit more related note, my Katsu costume is going to be about 80% closet--I got some parts at J.C. Penney of all places and can wear it as every day wear--compared with, say, pleather pants.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:18 No.1566817
    >>1566791
    You get paid to donate plasma? what!?

    I might be able to endure a needle for an hour for cash ....

    >>1566783
    Well, in all seriousness I don't know *why* my restaurant is doing as well as it is. Usually we're a little busier than usual through January as a residual to the holiday season (the gift cards carry us through). But the inaguration, I am fortunately able to say, has just been a boost to already generally good business.

    I'm using this chance to save up money to pay my bills for the next couple of months. After all, since I serve tables I owe the IRS ... probably in excess of 1000 bucks this year.
    >> motoko !!Z9RHDE0TyCR 01/20/09(Tue)00:18 No.1566819
    >>1566789
    out of curiosity....what do you do for a living?


    shit...if you are working for that kind of cash, then there is nothing wrong with spending it how you wish.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:25 No.1566832
    Pharmacist here.

    $100k a year and guaranteed work as long as I have a pulse. See y'all at Otakon.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:25 No.1566833
    >>1566817
    Go to www.biolife.com and find a location. They pay about $25 per visit, so that's about an extra $200 a month. However, with the economy the way it is, it's LOADED with people trying to get plasma money. I had to wait a month and a half before they could give me a physical because they had so many new donors trying to get in.
    >> InvalidAnon !!4N+gnf3hWvu 01/20/09(Tue)00:27 No.1566844
    Internet Startup is growing, need people with resumes and experience yesterday, and I'm living with a friend paying $350 rent only in a 3 bed 2 bath house.

    Life would be sweeter with a car, but all in due time. Also, Texas is still growing so get your ass to where the jobs are.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:30 No.1566850
    I have a total of 3 smaller costumes planned for the year and maybe 1 bigger one if I can get a second job at the new Best Buy that's opening. Only one con planned for sure and maybe Acen if my tuition isn't too much and I can find people to split a room with. I can't afford to travel very far so that really limits con options.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:34 No.1566861
    >>1566850
    Ugh...Acen. I still have to find out whether I've got people to room with or if I'm sleeping in the car. Not only have my hours and money been cut drastically short, but my ex cheated on me last year and I know for a fact that he's bringing that girl back, so I can't room with the same people I did before. Buuut, I can't afford to get a room for myself, and my other group of friends might not have room for me, so I'm worrying.
    >> LRC !HG6fkGXhas 01/20/09(Tue)00:39 No.1566876
    I'm graduating with a degree in Fashion Design in a little over two months.

    I am royally screwed.

    I'm thinking of moving to California, but I have no money to do so. I don't even know. It's depressing to think about. I'm going to start sending out my resume/portfolio in the next few weeks once it all starts being finalized.

    If I don't get anything, I'll probably move back to my parents, work full-time at GameStop if I can and do commissions on the side to save up money to get the hell out of eastern PA and try for a job again when I've got more work to show and the economy's picked up a bit.

    As far as cons, I'm still going to Katsucon and Otakon, since they're relatively close to home. AX is totally dependent upon job/money situation after graduation.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:39 No.1566880
    This thread is at first depressing and then cathartic.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:41 No.1566883
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    I figured out how to survive this whole recession crap. Sew costumes for people who can't make their own and then charge them a few bucks here and there for my work.

    Or just sell my body to hot girls. Either one works for me.

    Well?...maybe not.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:41 No.1566885
    >>1566876
    I'm just curious: why would you get a degree in fashion design? Did you really think you'd find a job doing that?

    You could figure out how to make reasonable-looking clothes on the cheapie cheap, but Wal-Mart et al have that covered pretty well IMO. Plus people are shopping more at thrift stores these days anyway if the local news is to be believed.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:42 No.1566888
    I got laid-off but it was a shit 18 year old's job anyway and I live with my parents hurrhurrr. My dad's job's relatively secure, it's a privately owned business only indirectly affected by the recession.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:43 No.1566892
    I do shady things for people primarily out of the country, there will be no recession to stop me.
    >> InkyLink !!U1TNclYnDfR 01/20/09(Tue)00:44 No.1566897
    I was laid off of my $14 an hour Forklift operator job and am now working at Panera Bread for $7.50 and will be starting at Blockbuster down the road for $8. After searching for work for 3 1/2 months NON STOP with excellent work history.

    The upside is I think I can get some decent unemployment for all that time, I only filed for 2 weeks because I thought I wasn't eligible for some reason. I'm going back to file again.
    >> LRC !HG6fkGXhas 01/20/09(Tue)00:45 No.1566899
    >>1566885
    Because it's the only thing I've really wanted to do since I was about 16. I've gone through 3 other majors during 4 1/2 years of schooling in other stuff and it's still the only thing I actually feel driven to do.

    It's not impossible to get a job in. It's just that you have to try really effing hard and know the right people.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:47 No.1566904
    Ive been searching for a job. My dad is getting a friend to hook me up with a job so I might be okay...but its taking such a long time for the process. So for cons...Idk i might be going badgeless XD
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:49 No.1566908
    >>1566897

    yo, just to let you know, working at blockbuster fucking ROCKS. I work there~ : D

    but yeah, no, my dad got cut back so it's time to move into actually spending my own money on lolita, and not trying to convince him that my grades rocked SO MUCH that I deserve that new outfit...hahaha~ :/ but truthfully, it's hard for the family, because losing one day of work per week is missing $800 a month, right, and my mother doesn't make much either, so it's a bit tight :/
    >> InkyLink !!U1TNclYnDfR 01/20/09(Tue)00:52 No.1566916
    >>1566491
    Selling your old gold is a way to make money now. Actually buying it is even better. If you work with a company that knows what they're doing, you can throw little "parties" sort of like Mary-Kay or Pampered Chef. Only the people that bring their gold walk away with a check, and the people hosting the parties have been making good money. It's what my Mom's been doing. The other day she made 1,200 in 3.5 hours.

    I kinda want to get into it too. The only reason I haven't yet is because she lives in Florida and I'm in Wisconsin =/
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:54 No.1566923
    My parents have been fine. They've worked for Save-mart, formerly Albertson's, formerly Lucky's for... a really freaking long time. My mom is a receiver, which they need, and it's a pretty highish position, not to mention she has a college degree. My dad's been working so long and he's had manager positions before that there's no way he's losing his job. I consider myself pretty lucky. They were smart enough to buy a home they COULD afford and we live nicely because they spend their money well. (Not to mention we have wealthy relatives who give us nice gifts.)

    I myself worked as a lifeguard for 2 years before I had to quit because of psychological problems. (Don't wanna be having a breakdown when you're supposed to be saving lives.) I'm about to get a part time job at Baskin Robbins~ It's minimum wage, but if it supports my cosplay habits and helps pay for school, I don't care.
    >> InkyLink !!U1TNclYnDfR 01/20/09(Tue)00:55 No.1566925
    >>1566908
    Oh yeah? Oh good XD I haven't started there yet. It seems like a good place to work, I just wish it paid more.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)00:56 No.1566930
    My job's all right, but my salary is dependent partially on how many sales per hour I make. Since the economy has been in the shitter, obviously there isn't as many people coming in to buy stuff.

    I'm going to get a pay cut either in March or June, I know it. Isn't stopping me from saving for A-Kon and D*Con. My tax return is going straight into the credit card.

    Most of my new costumes will either be closet cosplay with a new wig or slightly spruced up versions of my existing costumes. It's likely that I'll be going through my costume storage and selling off pieces I don't need/won't use, like all the extra oxford shirts and blazers I've picked up over the years. Gah.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)01:08 No.1566971
    Still have my part time retail job. I've been there two years and am one of maybe 20 people working in the store. They won't fire me (I even called off once a week for two months, consistently show up late, etc). The company has closed a lot of stores but ours is usually top on sales in our district and region, so again, not worried. I make just a little over minimum wage but I'm in college so I don't have time for anything that pays better.

    Would like to do what a friend of mine does and work as a registrar at the ER for like $16 an hour for 3 days a week. Could do it on weekends only, and be making more than I do in retail.

    I have a lot of credit card debt though. Dumb, stupid me being terrible with not spending money I don't have. So, I need to pay that back before I can consider myself in a good position.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)01:09 No.1566976
    I live with my parents just turned 18. We live middle class ala couple of small cons, a couple of big cons every year. Now I realize how great it is that we're staying middle class. I am newly grateful.

    I am majoring in a biology. I refuse to major in something that I cannot get work in. Thank god I love science.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)01:17 No.1567013
    My mom was forced out of her job and told "If you want a job move to Arizona" So she looked around for jobs, found nothing, and is now living in Phoenix. But because I refused to move that far away from my boyfriend and friends and life, I moved in with my friends and I'm currently looking for work and living off my mother paying my portion of rent and my savings.

    Only thing I have planned is a definite Anime Expo, no new costumes until I have work.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)01:43 No.1567129
    I've been unemployed for a looong time, and in part as a result, my gf left me. She could sew, I can not. Clearly, this means that costumes are no longer viable for me. As for cons, LOL. I don't think I'll be affording that for a looooooong time.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)02:35 No.1567335
    >>1566861
    All of us poor, trying to find a way to get to Acen people should team up and get a room.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)03:54 No.1567438
    >>1567129
    Yeah? Where do you live? Your story sounds like mine.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)03:57 No.1567444
    I work as a manager in a McDonald's I hate every fucking second i'm there, thing is though my job is secure. I'm just pissed off though as now I can't find anything else at the moment as nowhere else is hiring so i'm fucking stuck in this shithole until until things improve.
    >> Sagey McSagerson !/qkCK4m8kE 01/20/09(Tue)04:02 No.1567454
    >>1567013
    I know who you are. We miss you!
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:04 No.1567457
    >>1567444
    At least you have certainty.

    By all accounts (WSJ, Fortune, Barrons), McDonald's is doing very very well as people try to eat for cheap.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:07 No.1567462
    I'm actually thriving. I have a business where I branched out into cleaning-up Foreclosed homes and properties. I used to do work for Malls and Commercial Properties where I would demolish/salvage old fixtures. Heck, we also did some salvage work for Habitat for Humanity.

    Nowadays, I board up houses, document and cleanup vandalism, turn off utilities, and remove abandoned personal property. Sad when your picking up loads of baby clothing.

    Even more sad when we find near starving animals; we have a Pomeranian that was left at one house near death; turned over the the ASPCA and after a month, we got first dibs on him. He's now the company's unoffical mascot for the time, till we get a cat.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:09 No.1567469
    >>1566916
    >Precious metals don't only mean gold.
    >Platinum, Aluminium, Steel, etc.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:10 No.1567472
    I was happily unemployed for 4 months last year, I've been working since August at this company where the drama grows every day. I'd love to quit, but my chances of finding another job are slim, and I'm trying to recover from the hit my savings took last year from unemployment. I actually want them to cut my hours to 4 days a week, so I'll have time to sew etc. but they'd rather put the guy with a wife and 3 kids on call, and keep me at 40 hours. Hooray for job security? I feel like I'm putting this guy out of a job.

    Con plans are just growing bigger though, thanks to friends. Fanime, AX, possibly all 4 days of SDCC. I love sewing and thrift storing, so I'd be doing it regardless of economy.
    >> Sagey McSagerson !/qkCK4m8kE 01/20/09(Tue)04:10 No.1567473
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    Its 1/2 1/2. I saved up money during college, and luckily my parents are wealthier and are helping me out with my business. However my website PostYourTest.com is a free site, and therefore does not generate huge money yet as it is still only a year old. We're getting content in, but it doesn't stop me from heading to craigslist and posting ads for web-development.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:11 No.1567475
    I find the complaining amusing.

    Anybody actually on salary? I'm working 70 hours/week, and I feel like a slacker.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:12 No.1567479
    >>1567473
    You represent everything that is wrong with higher education today.

    Fuck you.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:13 No.1567481
    >>1567475
    I am. A measly 21k a year, but straight out of college I'm lucky to have anything right now.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:17 No.1567486
    >>1567473
    I've been thinking about this for a whopping four minutes now (congratulations, that's longer than I think about anything on 4chan), and I cannot come up with words to express how angry it makes me. For now I am learning my profession from those more experienced than I. One day I'll start my own business, and I'm going to have to interview the assholes who cheated their way to a high GPA using sites like yours rather than earning their education through blood, sweat and tears like I did.

    You go to school to learn something you love, not to get grades and win a nice paycheck.

    You can argue you're just offering a "tool" or a "service" until you're blue in the face, but everybody will always know EXACTLY what you're doing.

    Good fucking luck sleeping at night.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:21 No.1567496
    Our country is quite relaxed... even though people are getting laid off people are just... ignoring it. So it isn't effecting us as bad.

    I am sorted. The government gives me money for being a student =]
    >> Sagey McSagerson !/qkCK4m8kE 01/20/09(Tue)04:23 No.1567497
    >>1567479
    I set up PostYourTest.com because sniveling little frat boys were the only ones that actually had access to old exams (and sold them to non-members), and that is just not a level playing field.
    Nevertheless, thats probably not what your debate is, so here's how this argument is going to go:
    a) Students are using old exams to cheat.
    b) How? The exams are old and have merit as a study tool.
    a) Some professors re-use exams.
    b) Those professors are lazy (I've actually heard a professor say that. It is documented in a newspaper article).
    >> Sagey McSagerson !/qkCK4m8kE 01/20/09(Tue)04:26 No.1567503
    >>1567486
    I'm a web-developer.
    I can't really cheat on a lab that is done on a server in class as a final. I got a 98% in my web-architecture class. I set up PostYourTest.com, and web-devel was a huge part of my major. I never cheated on a damn thing, and if I did I never could've set up that site without spending a ton of money on someone else to do it.

    I sleep fine thank you.
    >> InkyLink !!U1TNclYnDfR 01/20/09(Tue)04:29 No.1567508
    >>1567469
    I know. I was more just saying that Gold is something that seems, at least in Florida, to be one metal that is still rather valuable.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:29 No.1567510
    most of my science professors had copies of their old tests on their websites to use as study guides. they encouraged us to use them and even told us that a few questions would be reused just to further urge us to use them. This wasn't just one or 2 of them, but MOST of them
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:30 No.1567511
    >>1567503
    >>1567497

    Again, you know exactly what you're doing. There's no way to argue that your little business is an ethical venture.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:35 No.1567520
    I don't know what the fuck any of these people are talking about. My teacher gave out old tests for people to use for review work.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:36 No.1567524
    >>1567479
    >>1567486
    butthurt professor
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:46 No.1567542
    >>1567486
    protip: whether its an old exam or a question straight out of the textbook, you're still trying to figure out how to get from point a to pt b
    your weird ass statement makes me wonder if you even went to college at all.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:49 No.1567551
    So how many of you girls will be willing to suck cock while in costume for chump change anytime soon? I have wads of cash waiting for your "I am!" answers.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:51 No.1567555
    >>1567551
    Masa, I thought you never went as anon!
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:52 No.1567557
    >>1567555
    OH U
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)04:57 No.1567564
    >>1567497
    results:
    1) Professors let you study from old exams (most of mine do this anyway).
    2) You never get to keep your exams at all. You might get one class of review, but then they'll collect them again just to make sure they don't get out.

    So, your story is basically: was butthurt that some people had friends older than them and thought it gave them an edge. decided the only way to make it fair was to extend an unintended advantage to everyone at profit to yourself.

    Why do I have the feeling this whole thing spun off you getting your ass handed to you in a test by some bro who was less than gracious about your low score.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)05:04 No.1567571
    >>1567564
    This is not true, well our professor let us keep them.
    >> Sagey McSagerson !/qkCK4m8kE 01/20/09(Tue)05:06 No.1567572
    >>1567564
    The idea first occurred to me when two students (I didn't know either of them, but were passing them in a hall) mentioned that by studying from an older exam, they understood the structure of what was to come. They didn't get a perfect score (i.e. the professor didn't re-use questions), but one did receive a B I believe. The idea was made concrete when my Systems Analysis and Design prof said, "This is exactly what I am going to ask on my final. Study it." I studied it thoroughly and did well on the final.

    Oh you forgot result c:
    c) Professors worldwide exchange copies of their old exams online, prompting an easy way to create new exams from a global perspective. Students have an idea of what is going to be on their exams, but cheating isn't an issue.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)05:10 No.1567576
    >>1567572
    Let me get this straight:
    1, 2, c

    Yeah, I see why this idea appealed to you. Kudos for being the first person who both thought of this idea and had loose enough ethical boundaries to go ahead with it.
    >> Sagey McSagerson !/qkCK4m8kE 01/20/09(Tue)05:11 No.1567578
    >>1567576
    oh wow, you're slighting me for a syntax error on the internet. You must really be grasping at straws now.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)05:19 No.1567583
    >>1567576
    gtfo
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)05:23 No.1567586
    I run a website where I pay models to dress up in skimpy costumes.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)05:24 No.1567587
    >>1567564
    >So, your story is basically: was butthurt that some people had friends older than them and thought it gave them an edge.

    this sounds like your story.
    RIGHT NOW.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)05:27 No.1567589
    >>1567578
    Nah. If I were grasping, I would have gone after you for failing to capitalize both the beginning of your sentence and "Internet." Rather, I just feel like amusing my self by taking petty shots at you. Let's face it, you make yourself a pretty easy target, plugging your lame site whenever given the chance.

    >I got a 98% in my web-architecture class. I set up PostYourTest.com, and web-devel was a huge part of my major.
    At first I wondered why it looked so generic, but it became quickly apparent that your site is just a Durpal CMS (themed by someone else) and all you probably had to do was configure a plug-in or two.

    I don't claim to be that much of a web developer myself, but it really pisses me off to see someone with absolutely no clue running around proclaiming how skilled he is. In my book, you're on par with people who know how to "program in HTML."
    >> Sagey McSagerson !/qkCK4m8kE 01/20/09(Tue)05:27 No.1567590
    >>1567586
    Thank you anon, I lol'd heartily.
    >> Sagey McSagerson !/qkCK4m8kE 01/20/09(Tue)05:31 No.1567595
    >>1567589
    Nope, actually had to do a lot of the MySQL backend, as well as tailor custom modules in PHP and a touch of javascript (and I've also contributed towards patches for some modules). I'm working on updates this week.

    Oh and actually I did some of the theming too, but I liked one of the contributed themes that was available from Drupal.org, so it would've been stupid to put in more work than necessary.

    Good try though.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)05:37 No.1567612
    >>1567589
    ?Nah. If I were grasping, I would have gone after you for failing to capitalize both the beginning of your sentence and "Internet."
    you just did. seriously, gtfo
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)05:39 No.1567621
    >>1567595
    Well, then at least let me offer my thoroughly non-professional advice: do something to de-generic your site. The first impression it gives is "lol, shitty banner" and "wow there's a lot of dead space on the right."
    >> Sagey McSagerson !/qkCK4m8kE 01/20/09(Tue)05:43 No.1567631
    >>1567595
    >>1567612
    >>1567589
    Come to think of it, you're actually grasping even more considering your initial argument had nothing at all to do with the layout of my site. Now you're just arguing aesthetics and functionality instead of the ethics.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)05:46 No.1567637
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    >>1567621
    the site looks fine, stop your whining
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)05:46 No.1567638
    >>1567631
    I'm an engineer, it's what we do. I'm obviously not going succeed in convincing you that you're in the ethical wrong, so I might as well convince you to make a site that doesn't look like ass.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)05:52 No.1567657
    >>1567638
    Ah, the engineer...

    Gov: "We're going to bomb this country, wanna help?"
    Eng: "No, that's horrible! I'd never kill someone!"
    Gov: "FIne, we'll do it without you!"
    Eng: "No no wait, those guidance systems are all wrong! Here let me show you..."
    >> Sagey McSagerson !/qkCK4m8kE 01/20/09(Tue)05:52 No.1567658
    >>1567638
    You know anon, I'll take that into consideration. There are a few things I keep thinking it needs aesthetically (but first and foremost functionally), so I'll work on them this and next week. If there is anything you feel is terribly aesthetically wrong with the site other than what you've mentioned, I invite you to send me an e-mail through my myspace.
    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=123777589
    Honestly though, when it comes to ethics I understand your anger, but in the end I don't think that its wrong to study from an old exam.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)07:17 No.1567720
    well, I haven't noticed too much of economy being down by now
    I'm curious about how long this will last...
    >> Tatsuyoshi !3GqYIJ3Obs 01/20/09(Tue)07:33 No.1567726
    >>1566455
    I got a $10 a day payrise. They can't get people to do the job I do.
    I plan to attend 4 or 5 cons this year, as opposed to the 1 I attended last year.
    I've bought more costumes, but like always I hunt for bargains. I've actually bought more costumes during the recession than before it.
    >> Raptor Jesus !!GmuC8tJhrH5 01/20/09(Tue)07:41 No.1567731
    These days, I'm getting odd jobs, not related to what I normally freelance, but money is money.
    >> Anonymous 01/20/09(Tue)07:58 No.1567741
    I'm a college sophomore.

    I have no experience, so naturally, I can't even find work at fucking McDonald's.



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