its the hot topic of lolita brands

How is it the hot topic of lolita brands? Wtf is with you lot and brands

Aparently they think its LOW QUALITY OMG

>>1418155
burandoooooo~

its the cool thing to spend hundreds of dollars on shitty impractical clothes.

>>1418158


+1000

Do most people really buy their lolita outfits? I'm not into loli but I wanted to make a lolita dress because I think some of them are really pretty, and it never occurred to me that most people didn't make their own. That just makes the whole thing seem kinda lame.

>>1418161
Most of them buy their clothes. If anyone in the Lolita group makes their own clothing, all of the other lolita's start calling them "cunts" and "special snowflakes". Why bother when you get that sort of abuse?

Bodyline is really starting to clean up their act. I got a dress from them a few weeks ago, great quality, nice soft lace, and a decent price.

The problem a lot of Lolitas have with bodyline is that a lot of their designs were really costumey, and tacky looking, and the quality wasn't that great. But they are really starting to get their act together. Some lolis hate bodyline because they apparently stole Angelic Pretty's Fruits Palor print (A print which is no longer available.) and made "knock offs.". This got a bunch of petticoats in a bunch, because how dare another brand make affordable versions of some great BURANDO. I personally don't give a fuck, I can't get the print from AP any more, and I like Bodyline's version better. Because putting parfaits on a skirt is so original. Get something real to bitch about, after all the majority of us are grown WOMEN wearing little girls styled clothes.

>>1418161

the whole point of Lolita is to buy as many different brand things as you can, and then show the world how amazing you are at coordinating. If you wear too much of one brand, they revolt. If your stuff is homemade, they revolt. If you don't have enough pieces on, they revolt.

Bodyline: Most of their items (with a few exceptions, such as the recent replicas) are simply not suited for general lolita wear. The skirts are - even on the 'Japanese' height - too short, the lace is visibly bad, or they are too maid/cosplay/costumey for lolita. I've seen people work Bodyline into awesome coordinations, sometimes with alterations (changing lace or taking out shiny material, adding length, whatever) and sometimes without. There is also the issue of copyright, which I couldn't give two shits about since I'm a knock-off purse lover, but in the Japanese lolita scene it's a big deal because the designers are pissed about it. (Which they have a right to be, of course.)

And, Bodyline (even the nicer items) is just not high quality. I've gotten a few punk pieces that fell apart within a few wears, but they weren't expensive, so it wasn't a shock. I've had an IW blouse that's lasted a heck of a lot of wear and the lace and fabric are in the same awesome condition as when I first got it.

>>1418155
when compared to other lolita brands, the quality isn't as nice. sorry that pisses you off, but for that kinda money i'd rather have something that looks good and is made well. if i wanted shit quality i'd make my own, then i'd have an excuse at least.

>>1418165
Your awesome, I don't care about brands either. The whole Angelic Pretty Fruits Parlor crap was waaay over the top. It wasn't exactly a knock off, they used similar fabric and by law, if you change 10% of the garment, it isn't a knock off. I must admit, some Bodyline garments tend to be abit tacky but they have produced some beautiful stuff. Bodyline clothing is affordable, nice and breathes alot better then the other brands. I personally don't care, If I like it, I wear it.

PTC Hot Topic doesn;t really have its "own label". It just sells all the goth brands

>>1418164
Proof? Seriously, give me a link where someone was made fun of simply because they make their own clothess. And *not* because the item didn't follow the lolita rules or was shit quality. All the "I made this dress!" posts I've seen have been nothing but praise and "oh wow, that's awesome, I wish I could sew like that!" comments.

>>1418170
Urgh, Unless you are a qualified seamstress, you can;t really tell the difference between cheaper lace and expensive stuff. The skirts are not too short if you are going for Wa-loli or Ero-loli

I agree, I have a few punk pieces from bodyline, I love them. Had them for years and they are still fine. You get what you pay for with bodyline. They will probably last until I've outgrown loli.

>>1418176
Lolita rules huh?

haha

your a fuckwit

>>1418180
Uh, what? I can tell when lace is cheap, thanks, and I don't need to be a 'qualified' seamstress to do so. (Can you tell when a movie is bad? I guess not, since you're not an expert filmmaker...) Anyway - I have Bodyline items, and yes, the lace is cheap and bad. Wa-loli, by the way, needs the same length of skirt as regular lolita. Just because the premade stuff from BL and China sellers is too short doesn't mean the rules don't apply to it.

Why do all lolita's crap on about quality? Seriously, all my Japanese loli friends don't care about brands or how expensive the lace was. This whole brand whore thing is an American trend only.

>>1418172
If it looks nice to you, and you like it who gives a fuck is how I feel. I actually like my bodyline dress a lot better than many of my brand dresses. I hate when people think that just because it's some fancy loli brand that it must be nice and awesome. I've had some a few brand pieces that were shit, itchy fabric and lace. I hate itchy lace more than anything. Really, you'd think for a $300 dress, it wouldn't be itchy.

>>1418187
>> BLAH BALH BLAH IM SUPERIOR

fuck off cunt, your not wanted in this thread. Your just another fatty ugly brand whore who thinks your superior because of lace.
Fuck off an die

I always wonder who's the crazier one, cosplayers dressing up in costume or lolitas dressing up in little girl clothes. Both are pretty damn kooky.

>>1418192
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA.

oh wait, you're serious.

..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

>>1418195
+10

BSSB, AP and Meta have produced some UGLY stuff over the years

>>1418197
Haha, I agree with you Soni. These lolita girls can get pretty crazy when it comes to their precious brands. Whats even more sad is when they still dress like little girls when they are 34 =/

>>1418196
So, you just now realized the Halloween costume-length "wa lolita" outfit you've been prancing around in wouldn't pass as lolita on EGL and it's killing you inside?

>>1418201
er.. Yes I AM serious, My japanese friends DONT CARE about brands. Sorry if you do, but its a western trend only to care about brands instead of what the clothes actually look like.

>>1418195
Was it Meta? Because Meta lace is usually shit, and I hate it. Better than Bodyline and some offbrand stuff I have, but not worth what they charge for it. Meta overprices most of their items, anyway, though, for the quality they give.

>>1418204
SHut up you piece of shit. Just because you get off dressing like a little girl cause you like being molested by daddy. You a cunt


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>>1418207
Meta are probably the most overpriced.

I would say i have a majority of brand items but its because im tall and some of the brands cater to this...classic brands mostly. I dont mind bodyline so much although the quality isnt as nice as brand and the feel of the clothes is a big draw for me with lolita. I dont judge people for wearing it if they wear it well. I own a couple of bodyline skirts and they seem fine for everyday wear.

I'm gonna let you all in on a little secret

(The lace they used is chantilly lace trimmings)

Thats how its so soft

>>1418210
I feel for you :( I hve to get expensive brands cause I'm tall. I would love to buy some Bodyline

I comissioned someone to make me something from Bodyline. When I wore it to a con, I saw another girl in the same costume...mine was better quality. Approx. same price too

>>1418205
you, my friend, are full of shit. in JAPAN there are some girls that refuse to wear anything BUT BTSSB while others will only wear angelic pretty. other brand name japanese girls will literally prostitute themselves for, Louis Vuitton and Vivienne Westwood.

>>1418203
Open question to the lolis since I'm trying to understand this phenomenon.

1. Do you wear these clothes out in public? Is it kinda like people who go to cons that only cosplay at said event or is it the same as those who cosplay everyday?
2. Is it really THAT big a deal to coordinate? While I can appreciate coordination in your everyday outfit, how can you really coordinate loud prints with other loud prints?

I had more questions but I got distracted.

>>1418220
lol

>>1418205

If you're not trolling, umm... what? Japanese people are such huge brand whores (the 'fashion scenes' especially) it's ridiculous. And if your friends don't care, guess what? That's called every individual is different, and (shock) not every Western person/lolita/etc cares about brand, either.

>>1418216

its awful isnt it? I love angelic pretty stuff all the time but i would seriously look like shit in it because their standard length is like thigh high on me, which with the poof is fairly gross. I have a couple of skirts from AP which are long enough, and a couple of bodyline ones which are highwaisted and seem to be a bit longer. I need to start sewing so i can make my own stuff longer!

I think a lot of people misjudge the attitude to bodyline though, i would buy it if the items i liked would look good on me. The other stuff is just not to my tastes. Its not snobbishness, its just preference. Disliking someone because they wear brand is as dumb as disliking someone because they dont wear brand.

>>1418226
answer to question 2

ALot of them don't coordinate very well. Their outfits tend to be sooo busy, its an eyesore.


Some of them wear their loli in public. But usually they buy it, take photos of themselves and then compare themselves to something else

>>1418226

1) yes, its how i like to dress as much as i can, i wear it most places where it doesnt interfere too much, like i wear it shopping and going out and around the house when im not cleaning, but i dont wear it to family occasions (other than close family who are used to it) and i cant wear it for work. Its how i feel most comfortable.

2) co-ordination is beyond a lot of lolitas, i dont think many are actually into fashion, just into cosplay, so its not a priority. For everyday wear its an excuse to be creative, if im wearing something eyegrabbing i want it to look cute.

>>1418226
1. Most lolitas, myself included, consider it a fashion instead of cosplay/costume, because it's meant (especially in the Western world, although very much less so in Japan) to be worn as "normal" clothes. Some people wear it every day, some people wear it when they "go out" (either to meet-ups or theatre or whatever) and some people only wear it to conventions, with 10000 variations in between. I wear it when I go to the mall or out somewhere when it's practical, since I work on a farm and, uh, yeah, not practical there. And lolitas, myself included, know it looks retarded and like a costume to most people. I don't mind since I've always dressed how I wanted and my fashion sense has been on the odd side for as long as I can remember.

2. What do you mean? Like how is it hard to coordinate with prints or...?

>>1418243

lol i totally agree with point 1....i know it looks retarded but i really dont care....usually it weeds out having to speak to stupid people at parties cos only people with a similar frame of mind will talk to you.

>>1418208
I see an overuse of the word cunt... *gasp* sniper_nyan, is that you??

>>1418226


I'm only speaking from a personal view point, but:

1) Yes, I wear them in public. Honestly, I've never gotten much shit for it on my own and receive more complements than insults. It's only when I'm in a group I'm mistaken for wearing a costume (which I honestly don't take much offense to unless they ask "what play I'm in) or worse.

2) Coordination is as important in lolita as it is in any fashion. I've personally never seen a double loud print coordinate that I've NOT cringed at. Keeping it simple yet interesting is the best. Most outfits are more color coordinated than print, anyhow.

I find loli fashion so strange, mainly because of the concern for meticulous coordination on top of overall garment quality.

Is this end result of slavish devotion to a trend or just another means of expression in a similar manner to cosplay?

I'll admit ero-loli grabs my attention and I've even commissioned such clothing for former SOs as gifts, but is there a logical conclusion or is it all just an excuse to exercise ego?

>>1418255
believe it or not, some people just like the fashion..? There will be attention whores and ego stroking in any hobby, doesn't mean it's the majority.

I always get compliments for wearing loli. One time I felt really good because a girl stopped me and told me I looked gorgeous ^_^

>>1418255

I honestly see it as a form of expression, i wear it regardless of whether it is seen or not and i enjoy the building of an outfit like i enjoy sketching and painting. I have grand ideas for making outfits and photoshoots in them....Its not logical, its just a compulsion. If there were logic to it id spend my money on something more worthwhile and less self absorbed.

Oh, and Bodyline has been pretty cool lately. My only complaints are with how they size some of their stuff and *surprisesurprise* the lace on certain items. I fluctuate between a US dress size 4 and 6 and I'm only 5 feet tall, but their stuff occasionally still manages to run rather small on me.

As for the issue of lace; bad lace can happen on brand, too. When lolitas talk about "cheap lace" vs. "good lace", we're not talking dollar amounts or how awesomely it's made in Italy. We're talking "is this stiff an itchy?" or "what are the chances of this being damaged when I need to iron or machine dry this?". Historically from what I've seen, Bodyline has used lace that might as well have been taken out of the $.99 bin in a craft store, but they've improved a lot. I have four items from them, and only one has questionable lace that I may or may not replace.

i dont dress in it all the time personally, but i dont see what the big issue is about girls wanting to dress in lolita on a daily basis. i cant bash someone for want to dress elegantly, sure it could be considered "over the top" to some, but if you enjoy dressing that way and it makes you feel good to do so, how is that any different from expressing yourself with any other fashion trend?

I have a Meta dress that has pretty crappy lace. Its very itchy =/

The bodyline dress I have has black lace, its just chantilly lace trimmings and its pretty soft :P

>>1418255

Really? Geeze...

I wear loli because I feel feminine for a change and I overall like the clothes. Most people I know wear it because it makes them feel like a girl for once and/or because they like the nostalgia it brings (you know, for those that aren't always decked out in sweet and deco--ladies need to bring back the gothic and classic).

>>1418275

The more I see these comments, the more I'm glad that I own nothing of Meta's with rachel lace. They tend to be lace-monster-ish to me to begin with. The only Meta own (which actually is the only brand I own) have pretty soft but heavy lace on them, so I'm lucky. I really don't like much lace, anyhow. I'm more for the bows and ruffles.

>>1418283
I like that Meta (sometimes) makes items with different lace, but honestly, with their prices I'd expect better lace than what they usually have. It's not *too* terrible, but nothing compared to the really nicer laces out there. The only Meta I own is from stuff with particular prints (the cherry gingham, apple, soon the heart leopard one) because I'd rather pay a commissioner and get exactly what I want, usually for a better price than Meta.

>>1418300

Honestly, I only really want brand if it's a certain print and I like how they cut it. If it's a solid or a basic pattern, like stripes, polkadots or plaid, I'll make or commission a replica instead. More often than not it's cheaper, and on occasions, nicer.

>>1418145
I've boughten two lolita dresses from Bodyline, and they're both amazingly made. The whole outfit is beautiful constructed and nothing about it is wrong in the slightest. It's not cheap, or 'itchy' or the lacy is crappy. It's really well made. Very professional.

>>1418312
I'm the same way. I like specific prints, so if it's something simpler (polka dots, gingham, etc) I will get a commission rather than buy whatever brand it is. (Also I am always surprised at people who buy bloomers from brand... sometimes $60++ for something that you don't really see and you can get for $20-30 cheaper?)

>>1418316
What dresses? Pics? I see all this talk about amazing Bodyline items that aren't crappier quality, but no pics to back it up.

>>1418322

I flat out refuse to pay more than $30 on an accessory, not counting bags and shoes. All of my accessories are off brand anyhow. The accessories I get complimented on most during meet ups are actually cheap things from H&M.

>>1418331
Ohh gosh that's a pet peeve of mine too. People are, of course, free to buy brand jewelry/whatever they want... but when I see people paying $80 for a bracelet (in specific ones that aren't really "brand specific," with at least a logo or name, or match a print the brand released very very well) it drives me crazy. H&M is one of my favorite places to go for cheap accessories... that and ForLove21, though their items are definitely cheap for a reason! I bought this really cute shell necklace with a pearl inside that, when worn for more than a few hours at a time, turns my skin green. Not fun.

>>1418327

Apologies for the blurrines, but here. Both the cardigan and the skirt (it's actually a jsk with a removable bib) are Bodyline.

>>1418340
>>1418327

Here's a better picture where you can see the lace.

>>1418339

D-8 I've never had that issue, but I own very little jewelry from either store.

>>1418344
That looks nice. Is it a newer item? It looks familiar but I can't place it.

>>1418340
PTC

I love the bodyline cartigans

>>1418327
shut up brand cunt

>>1418352
Bodyline cardigans are awfully cute. I just hate.. 95% of everything else they have there. Lately though they've gotten better items, although it's (admittedly) because they've been knocking off popular skirts that aren't lace monsters or maidish.

>>1418352

They're sooo comfy. At the booze 'n' cake meetup, a girl was wearing the same one that I have in that outfit. It lead to a whole discussion on how so many lolis now actually really like Bodyline.

>>1418355
bawww some more, fatty

>>1418351

No, actually. It's midway down in the jumperskirt section on the English Bodyline site. I just took the heart bib part off.

>>1418158
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>>1418172

Same person. What, did you make some shitty get up and got posted on mkii for it? Nobody gets made fun of for making their own clothes. Hell, whenever people post homemade stuff everyone on egl comes out to kiss their ass if it looks good. The only people who get made fun of are the ones who use shitty materials and can't design an outfit to save their life.

>>1418339
Not everyone lives near an H&M or Forever21, unfortunately.

what's the bodyline website?

>>1418369

yeah proof or it didnt happen. I bet they cant provide links to it happening.

This thread is full of utter bullshit.

>>1418373
gb2coscom.

>>1418370
H&M and Forever21 (I got it at ForLove 21... different store, same company) aren't the only places to get accessories. The internet is a wonderful thing.

>>1418381
Shipping costs money ya know. At that point if I'm going to spend that much money getting stuff off the internet anyway I'd just end up going for the brand stuff. mbok is a wonderful thing :)

>>1418327
First dress. It's pretty, not traditional Lolita, but hey, who cares? The construction is really nice, and it's very comfortable to wear.

>>1418389
Forgot to mention that I'm not in the U.S.

Lots of sellers on the sales comm won't even ship internationally. baw.

>>1418391
Oh that infamous wa-loli set. The skirt is teeny tiny though.

>>1418389
where do you live that shipping would hike it up so high, and that there are absolutely no stores that sell basic fashion accessories in your area? I don't have an H&M or forever21 in my area (I don't even think there's an h&M in my state) but even basic stores sell stuff that can be used in lolita outfits..

>>1418406
Not really. If you wear it at the highest point on your waist, then yeah. But if you have it set lower on your natural waist, or even lower, it's not that short. I never wear skirts, and it's not that bad actually.

>>1418421
got a full body shot of it?

>>1418424
Yeah, you get to see my fugly pose though.

>>1418448
Yeah it still looks too short.

>>1418448
That skirt is really short... outfit itself doesn't look too bad (really costumey, but eh, it's pretty) but man, why does Bodyline make everything so short?

>>1418460
Maybe to escape being sued for direct copies?

They've been getting a little better about it lately though.

>>1418460
Really? I guess for the lolita style it's short, but when wearing it, it didn't seem that short. It's definitely costume-y though.

>>1418473
that... doesn't make sense. In any case, even their original items are short.

CANT WAIT 2 get my 700 DOLLAR DRESS

>>1418482
>BAWW I GET OFFENDED WHEN OTHER PEOPLE BUY EXPENSIVE THINGS

I just recently bought two Bodyline JSK's and they're far from terrible.
They're better quality than most "normal" clothes I bought from the local mall.
It's not as good as some brand pieces, but they've stepped up their game. (Although the skirts do run short. I'm very short though, so I'm not having any problems.)

People that say OMG BODYLINE IS AWESOME IF YOU GIVE ANY REASONS WHY THEIR ITEMS AREN'T PERFECT AND 100% LOLITA YOU'RE A BURANDO ELITIST!! annoy me just as much as people that say IT HAS TO BE BRAND TO BE GOOD!!

The funny bit is that I've seen 10 times more of the BODYLINE IS AMAZING AND WONDERFUL AND YOU'RE ELITIST!! type than the other.

>>1418491
The thing is, I never see anyone saying it has to be brand to be good. Certain brands are good quality, which is why people them as a standard to compare non-brand items to.

>>1418482
You say that as if everyone charges ridiculous prices for their shit. I bought that for $250 a few month ago, almost the original price.

>>1418485
This dress is SO high quality see for yourself.

>>1418493
You know, for all the whiny "omg u gaiz are elitist!" people that have said they are told all brand is the only way, it has to be brand to be good, people get made fun of for making their own clothes, etc etc... I've *never* seen someone made fun of for those things, which is funny, considering the whiners make it seem like it happens all the time and is a common thought among lolitas.

>>1418494

You're acting like $250 is a reasonable price for a few yards of fabric and some lace. You're still paying a ridiculous amount just for brand recognition.

>>1418495
You sure are butthurt about this whole thing, aren't you? Yep, that is a good quality for a lolita dress. And yep, someone put it online for $700 but... *gasp* as far as I recall, no one bought it, and said it was a ridiculous price... so I'm not sure why you're bitching.

>>1418498
PROPER SYNTAX PLZ

>>1418501
You're also paying for the construction of the garment and, in certain cases, certain prints and designs you could not get otherwise.

You're acting like paying higher prices for brand items is some strange new thing. This is nothing new. People pay higher prices - have been, for years and years - for brand items, lolita or not, Japanese or not. And, shocker, most of the time it's because the reputation of the quality of that brand.

>>1418502
>>1418501
This stuff is cotton right or am I wrong just dont know

>>1418495
Actually, I have seen it in person. The fabric is pretty much standard AP stiff cotton + custom print. It has ribbon and pearl embellishments at the hem and on the bows & sleeves, plus a soft dot tulle on at the hem and good quality lace.

>>1418501
You're not just paying for the materials, you're paying for the design and the good quality construction. AP puts a lot of detail into their work like custom made lace to match their prints. Hell, have you seen the amount of detail on the Wonder Party series alone? I didn't even realize it had little card suits printed in the stripes until I saw the matching card suit buttons on the OP. And then there are all of the cutlery charms hanging from the ends of the bows.

So fuck yeah it's a reasonable price.

>>1418505
This. There's a reason why people won't shell out the same kind of money for the Fan+Friend replicas. Because the same quality just isn't there.

>>1418511

AP's detailing is lovely! And the sparkle print on the twinkle mermaid is so cute and it would be impossible to find something like it elsewhere. Its worth the money.

>>1418507

Wow, you really know nothing about the garment industry. Newsflash: it costs more than just the price of the base fabric to make a good quality outfit at the level of some of these pieces.

>>1418505

I'm not saying it's a shocker, I'm just saying that when you guys try and defend them by saying 'Oh well we're not paying truly exorbitant prices! Design, labor, construction, and availability must be taken into account!' it doesn't hold up, because $250 is a ridiculous amount for a single article of clothing.

And you're right, people do pay high prices for thing, be it loli or Chanel or an Armani suit. That's why these designers live like kings, because they're not just selling a well made item, they're selling status and reputation that's been associated with the item.

I can buy a purse for $60 off brand that will last me years. It's not some $5 piece of shit, but neither is it a $350 handbag that I'm buying just so some people will be impressed and think I'm wealthy. You seem to have lost sight of the fact that there are moderately priced items that aren't cheaply made off the rack WalMart pieces. We can still have things that are well made, and backed up by experience of use without emptying our wallets for the chance to be one of the elite.

>>1418513
Oh yeah I forgot about that part. lol duh "Twinkle" Mermaid. It's not really my style, but from a seamstress point of view it's a fucking gorgeous design, and very labor intensive too. <3

>>1418512
Exactly. My friend got something from F+F recently, and while it wasn't terrible (it came *almost* the right size...), the material was very thin and the stitching came apart very easily

>>1418515
Why do you assume anyone who buys brand is doing so because they want to be "elite" and not because they want certain items because they like them?

It seems that you're bringing your personal issue with elitism into something that isn't personal and elitist by default.

Yes, you are paying for a higher quality item, and with the higher quality comes the higher price. Design, labor, and construction DO need to be taken into account when setting prices for something.

Show me a cheaper item with the same level of quality as something from a higher lolita brand - attention to detail with pearls and custom prints and good lace, etc, the full works, at a "moderate" price, and I'll take you more seriously.

>>1418515
This isn't something like Versace or Prada that have millions of replications availible though, where the fuck else are you going to find Twinkle Mermaid? Sure, there are some people who buy brand for status. But that doesn't mean that the stuff is absolute shit that will fall apart on you, this stuff is not only high in quality when it comes to materials, but also in terms of design and construction. There's a reason why more people buy from Baby than they do A+Lidel for items that are similarly priced, because the quality is that much higher.

And you seem to have this false perception that everyone in lolita is a brandwhore that refuses to buy anything less. Do you even read egl? Every week there are tons of posts where people show off their local "loliable" finds. It's not that rare to see people mixing brand with off-brand. You sir, need to lurk the fuck more.

I for one don't think $250 is ridiculous for a single piece of clothing because:

a) It's not like I'm cutting corners on rent to buy it
b) I know I'm going to get a lot of wear at it
c) I know that if I take care of it it will have a good resell value

Point is, if you can afford it then you shouldn't have to feel guilty for buying things for yourself that you like.

>>1418517
Yeah they tend to fuck up sizing a lot.

>>1418523
>Point is, if you can afford it then you shouldn't have to feel guilty for buying things for yourself that you like.

You know, that's a very good point. I apologize for not taking into consideration the fact that others probably live a life of much more luxury than I do. If you can afford it, go for it. But if you're a starving college kid who doesn't have rich parents it's frustrating to see people just go "Oh lol, it was only $250. I drop that on shoes alone every week!"

>>1418516
the twinkles are the best bit! its irridescent greeny blue sparkles too, i have never seen anything like it.
i had it but i sold it recently because it was a bit too sweet for me, its one of the best prints in the sweet lolita world i think, better than any crap with poodles on. mermaids Vs poodles, hmm...

>>1418529
Lol.

I'm actually a college student. But I also WORK. No, I don't buy $250 on shoes every week. But if I want something I do the logical thing and save up for it like everyone else so I can get it. That's what responsible adults who don't have a small fortune do when we want to buy pretty things. Just because you're not rich that doesn't mean you're not allowed to want expensive things, there's nothing wrong with spoiling yourself every once in a while, I work damn hard during the day and like hell if I'm going to let someone else tell me that I'm wrong for rewarding myself.

>>1418529
Um... so... your personal view = fact on why things shouldn't be high priced? You pretty much just said you're letting your personal view as a poor student get in the way of things. I make just enough to pay bills and have to save up and take a lot of shortcuts to get all my lolita clothes, but I don't get butthurt and say brand is elitist just because other people have enough money to buy whatever they want.

>>1418534

THIS. It's not too hard to put aside a little of each paycheck. Or even saving up your change in a jar.

>>1418544
Exactly, I don't have to buy 4 entire outfits every month. I don't even know anyone who does that.

>>1418544
I'm on a painfully thin budget, so I do the jar thing a lot. I technically paid for a $250 OP recently by setting aside all the coin change I got in transactions for the past two years... (obviously I paid in Paypal, but you know what I mean.) Felt really awesome.

>>1418536
>>1418534

I'm not trying to say you're all terrible people for spending money on high priced clothes. Please don't take it that way. If buying brand name things that are pretty, quality items imbued in detail is what makes you happy, then do it! Don't let others judge you.

I'm merely trying to point out that many of the things priced upwards of $300 aren't necessarily the super awesome great deals you're making them out to be. It just seems that you're all so close to the equation you're not noticing the fact that almost all brand items are marked up far higher than they need to be.

If that doesn't bother you, then cool! If you have a way of budgeting or you're just luckily wealthy enough so that you can buy the official items rather than generic no-name pieces, then awesome! Knock yourselves out and have fun with it!

It's only clothing, after all.

>>1418549

Yep. It helps that I hate carrying too much change around. So into a jar it goes. The only time I have change is when I know that I'm going to be riding the bus.

>>1418546
Hell, a pair of socks is fine with me for the month. If not, I save that money towards a dress. I've seen people buy a shit ton like that. I stalk the sales comm quite a bit and it's outrageous sometimes to see the same person on every post. It's like they won the lottery or something.

>>1418555

It is an outrageous price to deal with. I agree. That's why a lot of girls don't keep their clothes and sell them. It's a deal when you can get something that's in great condition second hand, especially when you take into account what the original buyer paid for it.

Unless it's a rarity and the seller is asking for WAY too much...$700, WTF? Then you're just getting ripped off.

>>1418555
$250 is a great price compared to the work that goes into items. Heck, the default price for some brands isn't even as high as $250. Are all brand items intricate and highly detailed? Nope. But you are still paying for a high quality garment which does not come cheap. You are paying for fabric, quality of fabric, quality of material, and labor costs + 100000 other things that the brands need to pay for... workers in the shops, cost to get the fabric made if it's custom printed/shipped from somewhere, rent space for storefronts, webspace for websites, pay for 1000000 other things... I'm sorry that the world does not work like this: "Clothes should be priced the exact amount it takes to buy fabric!"

>>1418555
oh, and still waiting for a link to a non-brand item that's brand quality, but not a high price.

>>1418564
>Clothes should be priced the exact amount it takes to buy fabric!

Okay. I've acknowledged this. But honestly, the amount of fabric a dress uses logically isn't more than $60, especially when the items are made in bulk. If you're defending a 100% handmade one of a kind item that the lead designer at BTSSB worked all night on, dyed the fabric himself, painstakingly stiched on each pearl by hand, and carefully painted each customized button, then yeah, take exorbitant labor into account. Charge whatever you want for it, since that amount of detail is practically priceless.

But that's not what's happening. I admit that I don't know how many dresses they'll do for a 'limited' run or what have you, but these things are not made by a group of four ladies sitting around supplying the entire world. Production is outsourced, granted, to quality workers, but it's assembly line work nonetheless. These aren't high end one-of-a-kind fashion couture fashion pieces, they're jumpers and skirt and dresses made in batches and shipments, not individual numbers. An extra $300 for labor hardly seems reasonable.

But like I said, I'm not judging, and I'm not trying to speak with any kind of authority to you guys about what you should or shouldn't do with your hard-earned cash, I'm just asking you to open your eyes to what's going on here. Seriously, if you realize that you're overpaying and you're down with that, then I truly want you guys to just rock on, undeterred. Do what makes you happiest.

>>1418572
>>oh, and still waiting for a link to a non-brand item that's brand quality, but not a high price.

>>1418575

Oh, I'm sorry. I wear normal people clothes. You know, the kinds that are sold at normal prices.

>>1418572

you really dont have any concept of how much one off run of the mill designer pieces actually cost!! Because compared to a 700$ lolita piece its astronomical. $4000 would be the bottom end. Even off the rail wedding gowns cost a lot more than that. You really dont have any concept of the value of quality goods, 300$ for labor is not overcharging for the work that goes into a lot of lolita stuff.

>>1418577
>You seem to have lost sight of the fact that there are moderately priced items that aren't cheaply made off the rack WalMart pieces.

From your post. If you don't wear lolita, and this doesn't apply to lolita, why are on here acting like you know how much lolita brands should charge, again?

>>1418578

But is that REASONABLE? is the point I'm trying to make, and no one seems to be picking up on.

>>1418581
Just because you can't afford it, doesn't mean it isn't reasonable.

Jesus, I'm poor and have to save up for a few weeks just to get the $50-$100 ($100 being tops) range of In the Starlight lolita stuff, and I'm not this butthurt about designer clothes. Get over it.

>>1418580

I don't wear lolita because it doesn't suit me, but I love the style and do follow the communities to a certain extent. I have always felt that the prices were outrageous.

I apologize for proposing a simple school of thought for discussion into your fantasy land. Please continue thusly. Ignorance is bliss and all that.

>>1418581
Okay, with your logic: Why even buy clothes from cheap stores? I mean, PAYING.. for clothes? How outrageous! You can scavenge leaves from the forest and sew your own outfit with a hand-sharpened rock-knife and hand-made thread from grass for free!

>>1418587
>>1418585

Anon delurking here to say wow. Just wow, all of you. I was kind of enjoying this until you guys turned into petty name calling.

You both have good points but my lord you're all prickly. Quit acting like asshats and agree to disagree.

>>1418581

of course its reasonable, you are paying for a skill and a beautiful item which will last forever. This is why i half wished i lived in the victorian era, people paid more for fewer much higher quality items which lasted them years and years and years, you treasure them and take the time to mend them if they are damaged. Buying low quality clothes you expect to throw away within a year fills me with disgust. cheap low quality goods often have a shady provenance and the idea of contributing to even more land fill makes it even less appealing. No one throws their lolita or designer clothes away, the second hand market is thriving which is admirable and it promotes an interest in dressmaking and quality fabrics and lace, all of which should be encouraged.

>>1418585
You seem to suffer from the delusion that nobody should ever charge above basic fabric cost for clothes, and any brand that does is completely unreasonable because *clothes* - costing *money* that isn't super cheap? How scandalous! How outrageous! I've never heard of supply and demand and charging for labor and quality reputation!

There's a fantasy land we've entered, all right, but it sure as heck isn't mine.

>>1418587
Alright, I would rather pay $75 for a pair of quality well made jeans at Nordstrom, than $15 for a pair from Old Navy. Alternatively, I would rather have my $75 jeans than go waste money on a $1000 pair of designer jeans, because that's exactly what it is, a waste. There's a point at which quality ceases to be a factor because you've surpassed that benchmark and wandered into brand recognition as opposed to workmanship.

I'm not saying 'LOL ANYTHING THAT USES MONEY IS BAAAD' as you seem to think, but rather IMO it's better to be a discerning buyer than someone who just purchase anything that looks pretty and is made by a recognizable brand.

ultimately i have around the same income as my non lolita friends, maybe even a little less, and i can afford a reasonably sized lolita and designer wardrobe that i treasure over their mid range high street wardrobes that cost approximately the same amount and depreciate in value every year with every new season. I can spend $200 on a dress, but they will spend $140 on a pair of pants for work and a t shirt that falls apart after being washed. Lolita costs a little more but it DOES have a lot more work in it and it certainly lasts longer, i have dresses that ive had for nearly four years that get worn as much now as they did then, i dont know any one who bought some cheapo thing from some crap sweatshop store that can say the same.

>>1418594
As it was pointed out before, you're basing your logic on the false idea that everyone who buys brand only does so for the name recognition. Which is, as I said, false, and quite frankly, pretty judgemental.

Also a jump from $75 to $1000 is just silly exaggeration, especially for lolita. For $45-60 you can get a lolita skirt that's decently made in an decent fabric, depending on the commissioner/webstore and details of said skirt. For $100-$150, depending on the brand, you can get something in a custom print with good quality lace, high quality fabric, and great details (ruffles, pearls, whatever).

>>1418595

If they're spending $140 on an outfit that falls apart after its first washing, then they're doing something absolutely wrong.

Discerning buyer, people. Discerning.

>>1418599

topshop and H&M are the main offenders. Ridiculously overpriced for the quality of the goods!

>>1418600
H&M? What items do you buy? All the stuff I've gotten from them has been cheap and well made for the price. (Then again I'm not at a flagship store, so we don't get the 'higher end' stuff.)

Forever21 is horrible quality... ie; the necklace I bought that turns me green when I wear it. (But I'll be damned if it isn't adorable.)

>>1418601

are you serious? the knitwear is terrible, the blouses have no seam allowance and the stitching comes undone, the clothes never wash well and the fabircs are never pre washed so always shrink when you do wash them. Its cheap but the lowest quality, and not worth how much it does cost.

>>1418601
and by "high end" I meant we don't get items over $100 in our local H&M... I don't think I've even seen anything past $70...

>>1418598
>For $100-$150, depending on the brand, you can get something in a custom print with good quality lace, high quality fabric, and great details (ruffles, pearls, whatever)

And that's perfectly acceptable! Those are decent prices for well made items. It's when you guys get into the over $300 range that I start to furrow my brows disapprovingly. When someone posts four yard of fabric and a little bit of tulle and then tries to proudly claim they spent ONLY $250 on it 'and it's meta!', I start to wonder.

>>1418589

I love the thriving second hand aspect of Lolita. I think it's amazing. The amount of camaraderie you girls display in reselling and recycling your clothes is absolutely staggering. I am in no way trying to criticize that. It's the spending upwards of several hundred dollars on certain pieces that I cock my head at.

>>1418604
I have, I think... 10-20 or so things I bought there for $10-$60 (each) that have lasted for almost 2 years now.

Like any store, certain items are well made, and some aren't. Just as some are over/under/'just right' priced.. I've seen well made things in there for cheap prices ($10-30 for a skirt) and cheap looking things for outrageous (a really thin, cheaply made coat for $65)

>>1418606
So, not going to address your ridiculous implication that anyone who buys a brand item only does so for brand recognition, not that they might like said item?

>>1418606
Said 100-150 was for skirts. The same applies for dresses and JSKs. $80-130 for offbrand, $180-300 for brand, depending on the brand. Some obviously get expensive (especially when they release exclusive items, like the wedding dresses) and if they are rare and get sold out quickly, so resell is higher because of supply and demand.

>>1418609

My implication is just that. I feel like someone should be able to go 'Man, I do love this to little bitty pieces, and it's the best item I've ever seen, but it's $450 that I don't really have right now. Maybe I should get something more practical instead.'

As I've said time and time again though, if you have the money, or if you don't mind spending the money, or if you're using the item as a personal carrot, or whatever reason you have to justify it the purchase, then fine. Have fun! Don't let me rain on your parade and don't get your panties in a twist just because someone thinks your spending your money oddly. It's just a hobby, and it makes you happy, so why should you care what I think of you?

I'm just sharing my opinion here.

>>1418614
Your argument there made no sense. Especially in the quotes. What if someone has $450 (which, again, an exagerration...) to spend on clothes? Not everyone who buys brand does so when they can't afford it. Brand =/= impractical for everyone. Some people *want* to spend more than you personally would on clothes, even if they aren't rich and need to do some saving. That's as bad as the argument "x could've gone to charity/donated to a third world country instead!" that people sometimes bring out, when they are just as guilty of spending money on what anyone in a third world country would consider frivilous.

In that same vein, why do you concern yourself with what other people buy at all?

>>1418616

Okay, you got me. I did contradict myself. I don't know how to make it any clearer though.

My feelings are as follows: Damn! That's a lot to spend on clothes! Do they realize how much they're overpaying? It seems like they're doing it just so people will be jealous of them. Oh well man, whatever makes them happy I guess.

>In that same vein, why do you concern yourself with what other people buy at all?

eh, because it's 4chan. Because I can. Because it's 4am and I'm bored and despite acting like a dick at points, I'm actually enjoying debating with at least one of you.

>>1418619
See, but... you're wrong. I mean, yes, there are people in lolita (moreso in Japan, where there is a larger emphasis in the culture on BRAND BRAND BRAND, not just in lolita) who might buy stuff simply because it's brand, but it's a minority. In fact I have never, ever seen anyone (even in more private places like personal journals or in IMs) say anything remotely close to "I buy a certain brand to be recognized for it." I can pretty much guarantee that the majority of the lolita community, if they buy something brand, are doing so because they *like* the item, regardless of price.

And I don't mean why are you talking about it on 4chan, I mean in general. Why waste any energy on thinking about what other people are doing with their money?

>>1418625

Hmm. Okay, sure. Because this entire thread wasn't created just to bitch about girls who wear bodyline. You're right, no one ever cares about brand anywhere ever.

>And I don't mean why are you talking about it on 4chan, I mean in general. Why waste any energy on thinking about what other people are doing with their money?

Because it was on the front page of /cgl/ and I read it, had some feelings, and decided to respond thusly? Thinking isn't some bitter chore I have to spend my time on, like you seem to think...?

>>1418619

i think what you fail to realise is that people do not buy just because its brand. Thats why meta nearly went out of business.

>>1418626
Excuse me?

Show me a post on here (that isn't obvious DURHUR BODYLINE SUCKS, though there were, what, a few of those at the top?) that says "girls who wear bodyline are horrible!" Any critiques against it were critiques on quality and the ability of their items to fit lolita standards. In fact, the Western lolita community is pretty damn accepting of Bodyline, exceptions being to people who disapprove of the replicas they sell. Again, I've never seen these mythical posts where people bash Bodyline and say anyone who wears Bodyline can't be lolita.

And, it's odd... I'm not allowed to judge on how you spend your time, but you're allowed to judge on how people spend their money? Funny business, that.

>>1418626
this thread seems like it was created so people could bitch about the supposed elitists that hate bodyline and handmade clothes. (Though no one has, to date, provided a link to any evidence that the community thinks this way.)

Speaking of Bodyline...

Anyone know how long their sale is going for? I see:

SALE on all bodyline sites!
MAX 50% - 90% OFF
From 2008-11-09 9:00 am (Japan Time)!

I see no end date.

>>1418651
I also see no sale prices

I didn't read ANYTHING of this (wtf 150+ posts in a thread about Bodyline) but all I have to say is the stuff I bought from them is pretty good. I have the blue princess skirt and a white blouse, the skirt is lined and the lace on both is high-quality...

Not really BURANDO quality but for its price, the (newer!) stuff is good. I've heard their old stuff (wa-loli shit and so on) is really low quality

>>1418226
1) I wear my stuff in public all the time, adoy. I wouldn't spend so much on the clothes to just have them hang in my closet. I've gotten to the point where I've got a large enough collection to wear a different dress for three weeks straight. But, I mean, I've worked on it the past four years. I don't get harassed when I got out, really. The worst I've gotten is 'You look you're a kinky girl' by this old business man who wanted me to go into the bathroom with him, which was whoa, creepy, but a rare occurance I'm sure.

2) Coordinations is all up to the indivual. Most lolitas like art or are in fashion and most of them know what colours go together. Sometimes you get the ocassional girl who mixes colours that probably should NOT be seen together. I tend to keep it simple: my top ALWAYS matches my shoes. If my bolero is white, my shoes will be white. I feel it rounds out the outfit. I've never been a big fan of over the top coordinations with a bunch of shit tacked on (like a certain Man-Face) but I go for matching socks (or plain socks if the pattern speaks for itself) and a plain bolero/cardigan/blouse. It's very simple to over complicate a coordination which is why a lot of girls look like shit in sweet. Deco lolita looks tacky to me and it grates on my nerves. Too much becomes too busy. I've got most of the popular (neon cupcakes and all) AP prints and I manage, I think, to make AP look elegant and classy despite the crazy patterns just by letting the dress pattern sort of, be itself and my shoes/socks/accessoires being toned down. Sweet coordination doesn't have to be in your face all the time.

>>1418513
Honestly, if you've never seen Twinkle Mermaid up cloes you'll never understand. The sheer beauty of the mono-print and the sparkles is just heart achingly good. Its crazy to get so worked up about a print, but Twinkle Mermaid is just one of those prints. I feel the same way about my Paris Window JSK by BtSSB. The details are just gorgeous. And it makes you FEEL gorgeous when you're in it. While my closet is completely brand, it's not because I'm a 'brand' whore. I simply like the patterns and the style. Bodyline, for the most part, doesn't have anything that interests me. I've owned a few minor things from there (pettis, bloomers, headgear) but naw, not a dress because it simply doesn't appeal to me.

>>1418627

True. Meta needs to clean up their act. They haven't been very good this past year and I'm really disheartened by their lines this season.

It's really disappointing. :(

>>1418787

This is where Bodyline is getting annoying. They had a Halloween sale, brought the prices back up for all of about 5 days, and then had another sale which most of the things aren't much cheaper than in the last sale, if at all. On top of that, the exchange rate changed, thus adjusting the pricing further to make it look like there isn't a sale at all.

You brandwhore loli's are a bunch of cunts. I bet your mommy and daddy buys everything for you.

I've been to Japan and lolis don't care about brand there, they just care about looking cute and having fun. How many of you cunts can say you've been there and actually KNOW wtf is going on over there? Get your heads out of your asses.

This thread bores me.
Just wear what the fuck you want.
Only weak people care about what other think.

>>1418938

Ohgtfo and stop baaawwing because you're too poor to afford lolita. It's nowhere NEAR as expensive as designer stuff so shut the fuck up.

And yes, I have been over to Japan and I've met quite a few lolitas when I did my year abroad there -- MANY of them care about brand, because, ZOMG, they DO. But the ratio of lolitas in Japan to the ratio of Western Lolitas is HIGHER in Japan as well so you might have met a handful of them who don't care about brand, but all the ones I've met DID and they had a preference of clothes.

You need to stop being such a bitch and assuming that girls are spoiled rich kids just because they can afford nice brand. It's pathetic that you have to resort to 'brand whore! brand whore!' because your jealous. It's not 'brand' whoring to like a certain designer, jesus. You wouldn't BUY it if you didn't LIKE it, dammit.

And you know, I work hard to afford my lolita. And I'm a student.

Grow up anon-loli and gtfo outta my /cgl/.

>>1418619
The point is, YOU don't know wtf overpaying for certain things is because you don't understand how much they're worth period.

>>1419088
I don't buy lolita, nor do I find it "kawaii". Fuck you loli cunts.

The problem is nothing to do with brand/not brand. The problem is when bodyline steals designs.
When you pay more for brand you are also paying for the hard work the designer put into the dress.

>>1419088
you did NOT just type all of this in response to a troll

oh wait, you didn't sage correctly, you're a troll too


...
This thread sucks.

As an Innocent World, MMM, Angelic Pretty AND Bodyline owner I can say:
NOBODY FUCKING CARES
gb2 'trolling' loli_secret

It sure is underage b& in here

>>1419396
you do realize most lolitas are old hags who dress in little girl's clothes, no actual little girls, right?