It was shit.

>hurr durr /a/ is a hivemind

Kill yourself.

Very disappointing movie that ruined a lot of characters.

>>90497201 (OP)

Why do you like it?

Let's start there

I would say "because it's bad" but that never stopped /a/ from liking something before

I thought it was pretty good, personally. Not as good as 2.22 though.

>eva

Automatically shit.

Racism

I liked it. I've stopped paying attention to other people's taste a long time ago.

>>90497201 (OP)
It's no cannon Evangelion.

>>90497201 (OP)
I love it, therefore /a/ loves it, therefore your post doesn't make any sense.


People hate it for the some reason they hated eoe when it first came out: they didn't understand it and were not expecting it at all.

Anno said he made Rebuild to destroy eva. 3.33 gets straight to that point.

Eva a shit.

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Timeskip erases character development from the last movies and sends us off with completely new characters the movie doesn't bother to shed any light on, instead we about an hour worth of fights. Then fujoshi fanservice. Every character but Shinji is a boring one-dimensional idiot.

We get barely any worldbuilding aside from a short tour of Nerv. Bunch of characters die off screen. Characters continue to be shallow, Mari still pointless and they still are introducing new characters like Rei Q and the Wille crew. No information on what happened during the timeskip. They rectonned the damage made during 3rd impact last movie. Every character acts retarded to move the clumsy plot along. 3.0 was a boring waste of time and now dooms 4.0 to be shit when it needs to cover to much ground 3.0 didn't touch with the character and plot.

Mr. Anno's wild ride never ends

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>>90497408
It's easily one of the most beautiful things in the entire franchise. Pretty much the only thing in eva to approach the surreal.

>>90497408
Because it was bad. Like Rebuild in general. People made countless threads and posts about why already, goddamn.

Everyone is a dumbass and the only reason the plot still exists is because nobody will fucking sit down and EXPLAIN things to Shinji.

The whole movie I'm tearing my hair out because whenever something bad happens, it's because someone fails to explain what happened.

Or when they do, it's vague. Or they get pissed at him for doing what he's told, get mad when he does what he's not told to do... it's so fucking contrived I can't wrap my head around all the illogical happenings.

Jesus Christ
Let's get this fucking straight
Contrary to popular belief THERE IS NO /a/ COLLECTIVE, there isn't any opinion that could be universally agreed upon unless it's kirino being a shit
stop doing this
I know it's an excuse for discussion but it's lame

>>90497201 (OP)
Why are you asking why people don't like a bad movie?

>>90497539
But /a/ as a whole dislikes 3.33

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Why did the Wille people wake up Shinji if they were gonna do nothing with him and treat him like shit?

Because it's shit. Didn't we go through this already?

You're months late to the party, and /a/ is not the collective.

I myself didn't like it because it was a pointless, plotless, CGI filled mess that didn't advance any story or characters. We're as lost as Shinji is, which might be the point, but it still doesn't make for a good story.

>>90497201 (OP)

We at /a/ all agree, and will always agree, that Evangelion 3.33 sucked because there wasn't enough AsukaxShinji interaction. I addition, the homosexual undertones were not appreciated. We at /a/ believe that men and women were created to procreate and anything outside of those parameters constitute a capital offense. The punishment of committing such a heinous crime is 20 years of tickle torture, and nightly viewings of Boku no Pico for life.

>>90497588
That's wrong.

>>90497591
We don't know what they were going to do with him. He gets kidnapped like half an hour after he gets woken up.

>>90497524
>sit down and EXPLAIN things to Shinji
I don't think you understand how deeply in denial Shinji is
Even if the folks on WILLE did somehow put aside their anger at Shinji and explain things to him, he'd probably have run away with Rei anyways
Also, they don't trust him, so why should they tell him anything?

There are plenty of shows with idiotplots, but this wasn't one of them. The characters' reactions to seeing Shinji again were probably the best part of 3.33

>>90497591
I thought they just wanted the eva, and just kicked him out

I personally don't like it. All there is to it. I'm sure many others love it.

>>90497711
I thought he just woke up naturally.

Action wise and ''WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON'' wise, it was great.

Eva wise and actually making sense wise, it was pretty fucking disappointing.

So, if you turn off your brain you'll enjoy it.

>>90497780
If I want to turn off my brain, I'd watch Bayformers or something like that

>>90497650
He's right.

>>90497780
Sorry you didn't get the 20 minute shoehorned expository dialogue that takes you through every detail of the universe, all of the characters and all of their motivations like every other shitty anime. God forbid you have to try and put some of the pieces together yourself.

The only people that didn't like it were butthurt Reifags. The movie was fine.

>>90497846
He's wrong!

>>90497780
It isn't hard to understand at all. I understood is fine, however it was still terrible in the character department(everyone is shallow and boring) and story department(how am I supposed to give a fuck about these characters when we barely know anything about them or the world the things they've been through etc?). Only good thing was the music. But that's how I always felt about Rebuild.

>>90497901
So is Rei II still out there somewhere?

Also what were people calling Rei Q when it first came out? Shininami Rei or something awesome like that, right?

The reason I'm not a huge fan was that is was just a poorly made film. The structure, pacing, character arcs, nothing made any sense. The plot was relatively simple, but it was made artificially complex because everything was put together so fucking poorly.

Having said that, it was fun to eva in space with advanced effects in battles, and some new characters alongside the changed old characters

1.11 = literally NGE
2.22 = literally TTGL
3.33 = metaphorically EoE

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>>90497901
The only people that didn't like it were people who actually like Eva and are not shallow idiots like yourself that drool over flashy CG fights and "badass" characters. You'd have to be a Kaworufag if you liked this turd since they didn't deliver anything good with Shikinami yet. She's still a one-dimensional action girl that doesn't hold a candle to Soryu.

>>90498090
Why is it that everyone's reason for not liking this film are that the film is bad? Are you people incapable of having opinions based on specific aspects of reality instead of a reality that arbitrarily validates your opinion?

>>90498125
3.33 had an hour long fight at the end with A.T field lasers, giant battleships and cat Evas and started with a goddamn CG battle. It's far closer to TTGL than 2.0. Doesn't not compare at all to EoE.

>>90498209
No you dipshit, 2.22 was TTGL-tier because shinji went full shonen-mode at the end, and it was literally the worst thing Anno has ever made.

>>90497898

When I say making sense I mean the fact that they pulled shit out of their ass with curse of eva bullshit and the fact that they were complete dicks before even trying to explain what the fuck had actually happened to Shinji, which made him go ''FUCK YOU MISATO YOU AIN'T THE BOSS OF ME'' and caused the entire fucking issue.

But I guess reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points.

>autism the thread

You spergs only hate it because it's popular. God this place is a shithole.

>>90498156

>peoples excuse for thinking a film is bad is because a film is bad.

Genius, never would have realized it myself.

>>90498137
>you'd have to be an xfag to like this film

omedetou, you've reached the final stages of internet forum induced vegetation and are now completely incapable of convincingly elaborating upon an opinion without relying on meaningless qualifiers and insults.

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I liked it.

Why? If I wanted old Evangelion uncut then I'd watch the original. 3.33 is new content, and thus better than any fanfic because it's it's actually part of the EVA universe and not just some guys spinoff. It presents something different, and was it bad? Well there were moments it was stupid (curse of EVA) and it wont be properly fleshed out like the original series was, but honestly, we already know about Misato being a slut, Gendo being an obsessed dickhead, Asuka being the best girl, etc.

Why would I like repetition? It's been nearly TWO decades since EVA aired. New content? Yes please and thank you.

Don't like it? Just watch the original

>>90498412
You only like it because it's not popular.

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>>90498412
>You spergs only hate it because it's popular

>>90498412

>waaah you guys don't like it because it's popular
>literally everyone gave their own reason.

>>>/v/

>>90498389
I don't know if you noticed, I assume you did cause you must have super ultra masterful "reading comprehension", but the crew of the wunder had a couple of things to deal with before going over the last 14 years of apocalypse caused by the already scarred mind of a newly alive and massively ignorant 14 year old child. You and everybody else who makes this complaint are just angry because you were expecting exposition for the new rules in place and didn't get it.

Why was Asuka wearing an eyepatch?

>>90498526
Yeah, pretty much.

It's just like a fanfic or doujin or any other spinoff, you didn't get mad when you thought they were crap. You just not watched it.

>>90498639
Bardiel incident.

>>90498269
No, that'd be 3.33. Shinji still went full shounen retard AGAIN in 3.33 in addition to being even a worse movie than the 2nd with even longer CG fights and this time with fujoshi fanservice instead of otaku fanservice.

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>>90498639
"It's none of your business."

Bardiel infection most likely. It has angel sealing glyphs in it.

I hate the entire series of Eva remake/reboot/rewhatevers because they feel like ultra high budget fanfiction. The only true Eva is the original series + EoE.

>>90498730
If you think what happened in 3.33 was him going "shounen retard" like in 2.22 you didn't understand the scene. He was having a breakdown.

>>90498775
NGE2 is good for it's continuity supplements.

What about the manga?

>>90498610

Are you implying they didn't have enough time to explain what the fuck was going on? They sure did have time to strap a bomb on his neck and give him a fucking tape player, how hard is it to say ''Hey Shinji we're doing all this shit because you fucked up, badly'' instead of just being mad at him for no apparent reason.

And I'm not bad at the movie, hell, I just said I enjoyed it because I ignored all the stupid shit and just pretended it wasn't an Eva movie.

>>90498501
>forum
It must be hard being mentally deficient enough to like this film.

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Fucking this. You can't top the original series.

>>90497676
Except their reactions were kind of stupid. Shinji had no idea what he was doing, and they knew that because none of them told him anything about what was really going on. Misato fucking egged him on.

Seriously, they gave a fourteen-year-old kid the keys to a superweapon that could destroy the planet, didn't give him a manual, and didn't tell him what it was capable of. What the fuck did they think was going to happen?

Mind you, it's possible that none of them knew it would happen either, since there was absolutely no foreshadowing for what happened at the end of 2.22.

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>>90498526
The entirety of Rebuild is new and shallow content. If you liked Eva why would you like a version of it where everyone is shallow fanservice bait that exists only for pandering?

>>90498137
Actually, most of the old Kaworufags hated what they did with him.
Now he's dead and completely wasted.

>>90498922
> If you liked Eva why would you like a version of it where everyone is shallow fanservice bait that exists only for pandering?
Why do people fap to doujins?

>>90498806
It's the same fucking thing. The same shit happens except now in 3.33 it's even more over the top with more stupid looking Evas and action. Both instances were Shinji being delusional and selfish.

>>90498730
>>90498806
3.33 is even more Shounen retard. The first power-battle, then flying battleships, then more battles with nuances of hotblood and shit everywhere. Because one kid gets sad or fucked up (happened in 2.0 and 1.0 as well), doesn't remove the majority of the movie.

3.33 is so much TTGL it hurts.

You have black spiral Rei, you have spiral king Gendo, broken down shinji-simon because kaworu-kamina died, you've got leeron-ritsuko, yoko-asuka, the fucking dai-gurren brigade AKA WILLE, and the thing that comes out of the ground from NERV's base looks exactly like the Teppelin belonging to the Spiral king if you flip it upright.

Don't give me that "hurr 2.0 is shounen because Shinji's EVA went berserk in the ending", have a look at 3.33. Do you seriously not think even shounen shows feature breakdowns? Deaths? EVA is fucking light on the casualties so far, it's only "implied" deaths.

>>90498879
>Mind you, it's possible that none of them knew it would happen either
Ritsuko would've been the most knowledgeable (bar Gendo, SEELE), but the worst she could think of was Shinji being unable to return to human form. Not the risk of impact until after it started.

1) Some people take Evangelion too seriously
2) /a/ can't appreciate a good anime when it sees one

You guys looking forward to 4.0 after seeing 3?

>>90498922
On-topic, friend. I only spoke on 3.33 and I enjoyed it purely because it was new content. Characters are more or less the same but in a different situation.

Do you want to watch a cut down version of EVA all over again? It wasn't bad (nothing we haven't seen save for a few important changes) I enjoyed 1.11 and 2.22 (it had me going, I thought Rei was gonna win this time) but 3.33 changed it all.

>>90498822
Because if they had said that he would have wanted to know how, and then they would have had to explain the entire sequence of events to him, and he probably would have gone more insane than he did when Kaworu gave him the glossed over version. The choker was to prevent another impact, giving him the cassette took like 5 seconds.

>>90498975
The great mystery of life.

>>90499003
>>90499011
you fucking dipshits

2.22 was shonen because shinji went full B-BUT MUH WAIFU IMMA SAVE REI WITH DA POWER OF MUH INNER SHONEN XD

3.33 was seinen because it was "Everything is fucked, fuck you, you caused this, you are literally worse than hitler, you fucking nigger"

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What's this character's appeal?

>>90499145
otakubait - the character archetype

>>90499145
she's kawaii~

>>90499103

Hell yea, when I finished 2.22 I couldn't wait for 3.33

>Anno will make everything right, don't worry

>>90499104
>Characters are more or less the same but in a different situation.
Except their not.
All the characters have been completely changed and givennew (and as of now mostly unkown) backgrounds and histories.

Shikinami:
>not affected by her mothers suicide or being strangled, playing with dolls confirms this
>Kaji was not her caretaker either
>She is no described as an introvert instead of an extrovert
>We have NO idea of her backstory beyond a single title of captain.

>>90499003
No it's not, at all. He was delusional during the scene in 3.33, disconnected from reality and incapable of even understanding what Kaworu was trying to say. In 2.22 he was just determined and irreverent. There's a big fucking difference.

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>>90499145
>What's this character's appeal?
You can order them in bulk

>>90499011
>>90499003
Holy fuck how do you people even read books. It's like you saw the film in 3 minute chunks, each sealed in vacuum.

>>90499145
economy of scale

>>90499011
Don't forget the timeskip.

>Gendo/Spiral King
Gendo is now the King of the Lilim, leads an army of beastmen/eva's that aren't human. (No souls/spiral power). His daughter is Nia/Rei, who both betray/abandon him but not without remembering him fondly.

>Leeron/Ritsuko
The gay science character. Ritsuko even has a matching outfit.

>Dai-Gurren/AAA Wunder
Prior enemy battleship stolen/converted for use by our heroes. Can fly after the main mech upgrades it. (EVA01, Gurren Lagann)
Battles on the sea as well.

>Kittan/Mari
Kinda crazy but lovable character that "ends up" up Yoko/Asuka.

>Teppelin/Black Moon remant
The Spiral King/Gendo's set of power. They have roughly the same shape.

The setting takes place in a post-apocalyptic desert landscape.

The Moon has also moved closer to earth, though in Rebuild the effects are unknown.

Rebuild went full TTGL with 3.33.

>>90499121

I know what the choker was, giving him the tape player took a lot more than 5 seconds, hell, it included putting him in a god damn ''safe'' room and having Asuka punch the living shit out of the glass.
And there isn't much to be said about what happened. ''Oh yeah Shinji you remember that one time where you tried to save Rei? Pretty cool moment right? Yeah well it caused Third Impact and you almost wiped us all off the face of the Earth''

>>90499230
What do books have to do with this?

>>90497201 (OP)
no one explains a damn thing to the obviously confused person
yells at him for acting on the limited information he knows
Blames him for the third impact but we all saw Kaworu end it so either a retcon or something that greatly needed explaining
Rei Q is a shit character and Mari is annoying

>>90499104
>Characters are more or less the same but in a different situation.

No, they are not. Jesus christ I am now convinced the only people who enjoy Rebuld either hated the original series or didn't understand the characters at all and like them as shallow otaku/fujoshi bait.

>>90499273
He wasn't put in quarantine to deliver him the player. How would you even reach that conclusion? And there's a ton left unsaid about what happens, Kaworu's little speech barely touches it, which is why you're capable of complaining about how different and incomprehensible the world in 3.33 is, jesus.

>>90497201 (OP)
Well, what do I tell you? It's crap, really.
Granted the animation and soundtrack is nice, save for some usages, but it's passable. There's a lot more crappy 3DCG, but that too can be "passable" for the most of the time. Still worse than the predecessors, and worse is that they've made no serious leap in tech since then. But this is the good part of the movie. The bad part is the rest.

I'm actually convinced that it's the extreme pandering that's going wild that's killing it, and it's definitely the Kawoshin/Fujoshi pandering that is mostly to blame. It's the only answer that's reasonable I can bring up given the various interviews given by the staff.
The moronic Curse of Eva aside, it all goes back to one thing: creating an atmosphere where Kawoshin will work. Shinji has to be abandoned, friendless, sad, and be alone with Shinji so Kaworu will be there to take advantage of the situation. This will replicate the situation in NGE and virtually every other time Kaworu shows up.
How to continue this from 2.0? Very hard, considering Shinji is OK mentally, and he's got support in the form of Rei and Misato. So these people have to be removed from him somehow, and they're even competition if you want to do Kawoshin!

The result and answer was to introduce a timeskip, which gave them carte blanche to do whatever they wanted. They had the characters act like retards without having to justify it, so that it can all achieve the predictable end goal: a repeat of ep 23 and 24.

Result is, Rei is ruined beyond repair, Misato is dumb as hell, and we've got so much silly shit instead of the actual characterization and development EVA is known for.
But for what? Kaworu wasn't even better than the original, in fact he was worse. So the only part of him left is the Kawoshin, and the true reason for the movie having problems.

>>90499011

In shounen a hero doesn't usually get punished for acting hotblooded and shit. In 3.33 Shinji's decision bites him in the ass and by acting like a hotblooded mecha pilot he only makes everything worse.

>>90499274
Attention span. The ability to link sequential pieces of information. Pattern recognition. You know, things like that.

>>90499183

It's actually interesting that despite everything you mentioned Asuka is still Asuka.

>>90499318
>>90499183
Seriously. I can't believe it's not obvious.

EVANGELION 2.0 COMPLETE RECORDS COLLECTION
http://www.gwern.net/docs/2010-crc#kazuya-tsurumaki

>"Things like the story of Asuka’s relationship with her mother, or the somewhat adult episodes between Misato and Kaji, were revised or eliminated at the stage when the storyboards were being brought together."
>"As I thought that fans from the original work would probably not expect changes to the extent that Asuka’s name would be changed, I wondered if the sense that, Ah, this is different than before could be conveyed in a shocking and easy-to-understand way"
>"Asuka in particular changed from her [original] character settei."

>>90499132
The amount of idiocy and delusion in this post is astounding. Even if you want to be ironic by typing like that it's incredibly annoying. There's is nothing about Q's narrative that is mature, your post demonstrates that even. All of it is the same basic crap.

>>90499132
Good job not understanding basic movie storytelling, and using buzzwords to defend your argument. Good job accomplishing nothing.

>>90499230
Word by word, sentence by sentence.

>>90499259
Ritsuko has the haircut too. SHE HAS THE FUCKIGN HAIRCUT.

>>90499392
>In shounen a hero doesn't usually get punished for acting hotblooded and shit
>doesn't usually
Good job defeating your own argument. Try again with this extremely dumb "it's shonen xD" crap elsewhere, the ONLY thing it achieves is outing you as a retard who can't discuss movies or anime properly because you're stuck at the fucking MAL-stage of "lol it's SHONEN xD".
Get the fuck out my /a/.

>>90499416
I would bet that the fanbase who prefers 2.22 to 3.33 reads more long books, actually. They can tell that 3.33 was poorly put together.

>>90499475
Deeeep criticism man. I'm sure you convinced him how right you are.

>>90499103
Not really.

Was hyped for 3.33, but since 3.33 was so bad it can only lead to a lackluster 4.0.

>>90499145
The design and relative freshness of the character, according to Japan. Plus she's cute.

>>90499416
..and where's your argument? Nowhere. It's only butthurt insults because you got showed up.

Reaction to 3.33 will be like the reaction to eoe. People will begin to understand it and its purpose 5 years from now.

>ITT: STOP LIKING IT BECAUSE IT'S POPULAR

Typical /a/utist behavior.

>>90499528
Not him, but aren't you the same? If not even worse?

>>90499604
A couple of posts above the one you quoted, actually. I am literally one of the only people in this thread who has managed to quell my petty manchild urge to insult someone over a movie.

>>90499520

Wow, you sir are a cunt.

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>>90497450
Sometimes I like to think that Khara made 3.0 just to milk money out of idiots in preparation for 4.0. So in the next movie everything that happened in 3.0 will be forgotten (complete with a big "fuck you" to TTGLfags/fujoshit) and we get a continuation from the end of 2.0.

>>90499606
EOE has a purpose?

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>>90499011
>>90499259
2.22 was the first warning. Then 3.33 drove the franchise off a fucking cliff. I can't wait for what kind of bullshit hour long fights 4.0 will have with A.T field lasers and dog Evas and dual piloting bullshit to replace character development.

>>90499367

But Kaworu's speech was enough, Shinji knew he had caused some serious shit, he doesn't need an accurate report with every detail about how much and how exactly he fucked up, any ex-member of NERV could have given that explanation.

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>>90499656
Yeah. Definitely. I'm much worse. The worst, even.

>>90499659
>I am literally one of the only people in this thread who has managed to quell my petty manchild urge to insult someone over a movie.

Then why do you insult others over a movie?
When you insinuate they don't have the capacity of properly reading a book, that's an insult.

You don't really believe you're above them when you act just as bad if not worse yourself?

Do you have autism? This is a serious question. I will not judge you.

>>90499606
People already understand it and find it to be bad. You can't fix an already flawed product. It's only in the west that EoE is loved to such a degree anyway.

>>90499677
>>90499761
Why don't people like EoE? I'm just curious.

>>90499375
>>90499375
>>90499375
This. Kaworu and fujoshi-pandering scuttled Rebuild.

From one episode of 24 to an entire movie, it is the sole reason we don't get the more complicated and interesting cast of the original.
Because they made room for Kawoshin.

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>>90499679
>being this mad at someone for having good taste

>>90499698
Except he does, as his descent into madness and incomprehension and crossed-wires 5 minutes later illustrates. To properly dump that kind of information on him would require a lot more than a 10 minute info dump or hour-long historical report of the last 14 years. It would require something like Kaworu's emotional softcelling and a summary of the mechanics involved.

>>90499606
Don't think so. EoE was a first. 3.33 is part of a remake. The reaction is fundamentally not the same.

3.33 isn't hard to understand, it's just completely lacking, and will need hours and hours of padding to even reach ankle-high to NGE.

>>90499796
/a/ fucking loves it, so does /tv/ as well.

>>90499806

Kaworu was the most likable and interesting character of the original series so I don't see what's wrong with that.

>>90499755
I wasn't insinuating though, I was asking god, or you if you had chosen to answer instead of interpreting it as an insult.

And yeah, I'm quite thoroughly convinced I'm better than you and "them" in most meaningful ways.

>>90499853
>3.33 is part of a remake

>There are still people who believe this despite the current year

>>90499674
I am sure 4.0 is going to continue the TTGL shit 3.33 sent into full gear. You saw the 8+2 atrocity? There's gonna be power of friendship in there somewhere too.

>>90499884
He's hardly a character. He's too "perfect." By being so, he offsets the balance in chemistry of the rest of the cast's fuckedup-ness

I thought the movie was good. Great animation, cool fights, and Misato acting like a badass. It was great!

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>>90499679
2.22 was hardly a warning - it was "hey we're adding some new stuff to keep things fresh, as well as HEY, guess what we're going to do something different!"

So shit like beast mode, impacts, faction warfare, characterization and developments based on 2.0 was ripe to be picked and shown in 3.0, but what happens?

A rehash with more beast modes, impacts and some new stuff thrown in that's poorly presented and not even the focus.

>>90499928
muri da

>>90499944
>minimum troling

>>90499853

But it doesn't need to be the original.

>>90499902
That is insinuating, unless you're literally asking a bearded space wizard about why some people you don't even know might not be able to read books.

Take your picks: a retard, another smug idiot under the guys of anonymous that's butthurt, or both.

But seriously, do you have autism?

>>90499884
You don't actually believe that, do you?

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>>90499606
No, what 3.33 is missing is build-up, context, backstory, character development and the like. We barely followed most of these characters for more than a month or two in Rebuild, even less with Asuka or Mari or Kaworu. You can't compare it to EoE which builds off the tv series characters and plot directly.

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>>90500037
It's not insinuating, even a little. I wasn't being ironic, even little. Please feel to inflect as much as you wish though.

>>90499928
If you've seen the earlier PV's you already know that PV's don't really mean shit. We saw Kaji pointing a gun in one but it never happened in 3.0. Many cases with Mari too. But yeah, it's just wishful thinking.

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>>90499944
>HUUUR IT WAS GOOD BECAUSE COOL FIGHTS XDDD!!!

>>90500037
Also did you just confuse "guys" with "guise"? Because that would be cute as hell.

>>90500035
>But it doesn't need to be the original.
It doesn't, and 2.22 wasn't the original either. New shit happened, and when 3.0 came, it follows the same structure Tsurumaki speaks of in one of his interviews:

The ep-23-24 structure.

>Tsurumaki: Right. There was a feeling that we wanted the difficulties to be, as far as possible, confined to Break, because we wanted a situation where we would be able to try various things in the third part. So, after Rei’s death in episode 23, Kaworu comes to Shinji; we attempted a structure similar to the TV series. But, in the end, Rei didn’t die…

So, look at 3.0. It's that exact thing. In new wrapping.

>>90500164
It's insinuating by definition, and even if you aren't ironic, it's still an insult.
So you're both, autist
get lost

>>90500179
>shitposting

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What were they thinking?

>>90500120
3.33 is shit since it shits over the original characters, esp. Rei.
Then it doesn't even have the decency to do put in effort to do something with them, leaving too little time for 4.0.

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>>90500272
Hahahaha, you should really know the definitions of things before you go verifying your misguided opinion as being "by definition".

a : to introduce (as an idea) gradually or in a subtle, indirect, or covert way <insinuate doubts into a trusting mind>
b : to impart or suggest in an artful or indirect way : imply <I resent what you're insinuating>
2
: to introduce (as oneself) by stealthy, smooth, or artful means

My QUESTION was pretty fucking blunt, wouldn't you say?

>>90499936

I'm not sure about "perfect." He's not a very deep or developed character but there are things that make him work.

1) He's mysterious and that makes him interesting.
2) He treats Shinji well and that makes him likable.
3) He's not overused. Even 60 minutes of 3.33 didn't wear off his charm.

>>90500375
you know you're insinuate people are idiots when you suggest they can't read books properly, having a lack of attention span etc...

but I know you know that, and you're just panicking with retardation.

>>90500375
See the definition, "indirect".
Check and mate and you can go stop posting for the night and take your autism pills.

>>90500309
What's wrong with that? That part when Asuka went beast mode was awesome.

>>90500461
I didn't suggest anything though, I asked a question. Was my incorrect punctuation too informal for you?

you nerds take your children's cartoons meant for other cultures seriously

>>90500429
>3) He's not overused. Even 60 minutes of 3.33 didn't wear off his charm.
Disagreed, I'd rather not see him in 3.0 for more than a minute.

He achieved nothing in 3.0, not for himself, not for Shinji, not for anything but to contrive the story further, and to give this kind of character more screentime would be like giving 4.0 to Mari.

Sure some faggots would rejoice, but any man or woman with some sanity left in his mind would puke in disgust.

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>>90500489
I wasn't introducing anything indirectly either though chess master. Please try again.

>>90497201 (OP)
Mari promised fanservice.

SHE LIED.

>>90500539
Insinuating through asking questions is both possible and an often used tactic among basement-dwelling retards who are mad someone didn't like their cartoon movie.

>>90500539
Do you even know what suggesting means? Yes you can suggest something through a question, holy fuck is this somehow hard to comprehend for you??
At this point it's actually a good question to ask how the hell YOU are able to read books at all if you can't understand something so basic!

>>90500606
Fanservice to kaworufags.

>>90500608
Good thing I did no such thing! I'd hate for you to think poorly of me. Actually I wouldn't, even a little. I kind of expect it.

>>90500606
See >>90500673

The fanservice ruined Rebuild in the end.

>>90499104

>>90498526

Best posts in this thread. Goddamn anon, preach it.

>>90500692
3.33 was shit, anon. The sooner you accept it, the better. Move on with your life. Get off the train.

>>90498269
>No you dipshit, 2.22 was TTGL-tier because shinji went full shonen-mode at the end, and it was literally the worst thing Anno has ever made.
Take that back you son of a bitch

>>90500654
Sure you can, but I did no such thing. I read books regularly by the way, probably much classier books than you'll ever read.

>>90500743
They're some of the most uninformed and dumbest posts in the thread. How the actual fuck can you even think that.

>>90500752

It wasn't, move on with your life, you NGEtard.

>>90500606
I'm sure there will be plenty of fanservice next time. Keep believing.

>>90500752
No it wasn't, but that's not even tangentially related to the conversation at this point.

>>90500561

Did you like him in the original? He actually achieved something. His character was needed to drive Shinji into despair. That was his role in the original too but this time it's Shinji's fault so in 4.0 hopefully Shinji can learn from his mistake and change into a better person.

>>90499674

That was 2.0 purpose, so Anno could do 3.0.

>>90500830
He was better in the original. But not particularly good compared to the rest of the cast.

>>90500496
Enjoy your kawaii~ neko eva.
To me, it was absolutely retarded.

I actually can't believe that people watched the original Evangelion and didn't become fans of Kaworu.

>>90497408
>Anno said he made Rebuild to destroy eva. 3.33 gets straight to that point.

When did he said that?

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>>90500830
Even calling it Shinji's mistake is a stretch at this point.

When you've got one super-organization planning for one kid to fail, manipulating them and brainwashing them into failure, and another would-be good super-organization failing just as hard, blaming it on the kid that's on the wrong place at the wrong time is a real stretch.

I'd sooner blame Kaworu than Shinji for this.

If anyone could do anything, it was Kaworu. With 14 years of prep-time, and god knows how many loops, Kaworu doesn't even find it in him to meet up with Shinji himself. Nor to help WILLE. Not even talk to anyone else like in the original.

>>90500959
1.0 release.

>>90500929
He's shallow.

>>90500911
Yeah, that's how I'd describe Asuka's beast mode. Kawaii.

>>90500792

Haha, oh wow, those are the post that doesn't retort to the /a/ hivemind which hates this movie just because it diverged TONS from the original Evangelion. Shit writing? That's an opinon, for all it matters the movies have fleshed out the characters for the first time watcher succesfully. You as a diehard eva fan disregard this because you're entitled to the old series. With the timeskip and all the plot is developing in new ways, this fucking implies the rebuilds aren't a remake from the original apart from 1.0. Anno is trying new stuff, everybody is disqualifying the whole work just for a single movie that was (in the first place supposed) to be displayed together with the final part.

So sorry for some people to not jump in your silly hate bandwagon for a movie that did its job succesfully, taking Evangelion to new places.

>>90500929
I can't believe people watched the original Evangelion and became fans of Kaworu.
He's like a damp cloth or something, and he's like, only good for yaoi or BL shipping? I get he'd be huge in those circles (which is already HUGE in Japan now as it was then), but for anyone looking into characters then he's just a minor side-dish or something.

>>90501067
It's not supposed to be kawaii!

>>90499679
>"I wanted to see crazy alien shit and robot fights and that's what I got!"

Oh god, this will never fail to amuse me.

2.0 was mediocre at best, 3.0 was so bad people praise it.
4.0 is going to be so bad, we'll all adore 3.0

all the while Rebuild only serves to further immortalize and thrust NGE into godhood by comparison to it

>>90501083
Like I said, uninformed. The movie wasn't supposed to be played together. They dropped those plans years ago.

What you dismiss as "opinion", can be dismissed for you as well - what you write, i.e that it's "good writing", is just opinion as well, right?

You're also mistaken that things are new. The only things that are new are the plot mechanics, evas and so on. The plot is actually the same as in NGE's 23 and 24.
The problem is that it's the same goddamned thing, without the depth, without the characterization, and with worse, weaker characters overall.

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>>90501246
>You're also mistaken that things are new.
>The only things that are new are the plot mechanics, evas and so on.

>>90501083
>taking Evangelion to new places.
What new places did it go, chum? The part where the main character is sad because some white-haired faggot dies, in preparation for the final impact, AKA instrumentality?

Yeah most people watched that in 1995. Except it had ten times more character and depth.

>>90501356
In other words, nothing but the scenery changed. The important part is the one that did not change.

>>90501205
>4.0 is going to be so bad, we'll all adore 3.0
Anno can't possibly do that
. . .
can he?

>>90501363
Except instrumentality is completely different in nte. Which you would know if you paid attention to anything other than super obvious surface elements.

>>90501246
>>90501398
Can you explain to me how the plot of 3.33 is the same as the plot of 23 and 24 in NGE? Teach us Dr. Eva.

>>90501480
I'd like to let you try first. Tell me, what happens to Shinji in those episodes? What does he experience?

>>90501410
Do not doubt the master

>>90501543
Hahaha of course you can't. I'm sorry I asked, I have absolutely no idea.

>>90501480
Remember how 23 has Shinji lose Rei and become sad? Then he gets mindfucked by the Reiquarium? Then he meets Kaworu who he becomes buttbuddies with, then they both go down to Terminal dogma, Kaworu gets rekt and dies and Shinji is butthurt?
Guess what just happened in 3.0.
The same fucking shit.

>>90501012
>If anyone could do anything, it was Kaworu. With 14 years of prep-time, and god knows how many loops, Kaworu doesn't even find it in him to meet up with Shinji himself. Nor to help WILLE. Not even talk to anyone else like in the original.

There is no proof that he didn't try to do these things during the time skip either. Maybe he did, but it ended in disaster. Maybe he's also being brainwashed like Shinji and Rei. Maybe he doesn't care that much anymore because he remembers and he knows that all of this shit repeats so he takes it easy. Who the fuck knows.

>>90501480
Well, you see, many of the events that happened in 3.0 mirror that of episodes 23 and 24.

>Shinji being stuck inside Unit 1 for a while
>Shinji discovering Rei is a clone
>Kaworu dying

It's basically the same thing, with a twist.

It takes place....IN THE FUTURE!

>>90501585
No seriously try. I'd like this to be a pair experience.

>>90501614
I think you may be focusing a bit much on the superficial elements of the two stories!

>>90501585
see >>90501614
if the other won't explain it in too much detail.

>>90501627
>There is no proof that he didn't try to do these things during the time skip either.
There's less proof that he did. They only know Kaworu as SEELE's boy.

When Shinji arrives, what does Kaworu do? Tell me what he does.

>>90501668
>superficial
Nigger, that is the most important thing in the movie. Everything else in the movie from the timeskip to Rei Q exists just to have it happen.

>>90501646
I can't, all of the meaningful parts of the two stories differ. There are almost zero meaningful similarities. I am sorry sensei.

I am treating 3.33 at this moment like a feast for crows, it is setting the stage for new
material and should not be considered shit yet just because it is portraying the story of the
Eva world through a different light. But if 4.44? cannot intellectually hit me in the feels with the new or same-ish ending, depending on how
different anno's conclusion is for the the story, then I will pass on it.

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>>90501643
>It's basically the same thing, with a twist.

As expected of The Master.

>>90501668
oh boy, if you think those are the superficial parts you don't get plot developments or even EVA.

See the quote here: >>90500238
This "plot structure" is what was present in the original, and what they re-did with some strain in 3.0.

It's highly important.

>>90501733
Yeah, the massive inversion of impact mechanics and the effect these new mechanics have had on the world and every character and ultimately Shinji is definitely less important than out-of-context similarities with 23 and 24.

>>90500929
He was in it for like 15 minutes.

>>90501745
All right.

In NGE, we have Shinji who has at the current time, his friends and comrades he trusts.
Then he loses them one by one - Asuka goes insane and is a bitch, Rei dies and she changes so much Shinji doesn't regard her as Rei any more, and then Kaworu comes up, they get friendly and then Kaworu dies. Shinji is broken and loses the will to live.
Then EoE/4.0 starts.

These are the most important events, and if them not being the absolute highlights of this movie which it spends the most time on didn't clue you in, then I hope this post will.

In copying the original from plot point to plot point, all they achieve is changing it's surroundings. AKA, the new EVA designs, the new character designs and so on.

Does pupil understand now?

>>90501083
But the main reason why I liked 2.0 was because it was taking it in a different direction while retaining the overarching plot. 3.0 pretty much rebooted the series into a shitpile of bad writing and fanservice. The characters weren't fleshed out anymore from that point. All we got was some bad CG and apes that were supposed to be main cast.

>>90501083
Rebuild is trash, sorry to say. It pales in comparison to the original series and you'll have to deal with your wrong opinion.

>>90501939
I believe it was approximately 17.

>>90501956
Nah, your examples are all deprived of the context which delineate them form one another.

0/10, would not pay tuition.

>>90501820
They are less important. Notice how they ended up being beneath those "out of context similarities", and how they changed nothing of the general structure.

EVA cannot be new if it follows the same structure. It can be made better, it can be expanded, but it will not be new.

You need a new structure. One that was made possible in 2.0.

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>>90502030
I understand, totally different impact mechanics and a 14 year timeskip and vastly divergent characterization have not meaningfully affected the plot.

>>90502021
The context is different but the plot events are the same. It mirrors 23 and 24, no matter how hard you try to deny it.

>>90501012

They manipulated Shinji but it's not like he wasn't doing it out of his own will. He wanted Rei back. He wanted to redo everything.

>>90502127
I know you want to be stubborn, but tell me: how did things proceed differently? What changed in the plot?

It's the same thing in new wrapping. Maybe 4.0 won't mirror EoE, but 3.0 mirrored 23 and 24.

>>90502186
I'm not denying anything champ, the differences are in the details which you have ignored.

>>90502207
How important is his own free will, when he has neither the knowledge, the mental state or even possibility to fully understand what needs done?

>>90501703

There's less proof than no proof?

>>90502241
The details are outside the structure - the details is the wrapping. The contents is this structure.

>>90502232
I don't want to be stubborn, you've actually convinced me. Everything is, essentially the same as 23 and 24 in 3.33. It's basically a pretty retelling of those two episodes of NGE. It's like, the exact same story. Nothing changed, certainly nothing meaningful.

>>90502259

He needs to grow up. That's what Eva is. A coming of age story.

>>90502262
Proof is that WILLE doesn't know Kaworu.

The proof is that you don't see Kaworu take any action at all.

There's the proof. You saw the movie. You saw him do nothing. Except play piano and gaze at stars. Which was Shinji's initiative.

>>90502282
Not even a little. Seems to me you're picking details and arbitrarily labeling them structural because they match events in 23 and 24. You wouldn't do that though.

>>90502329
Essentially, yes - the story which revolves around Shinji in 3.0 more than ever in any EVA story is what makes the focus and plot events a retelling of those episodes.

>>90501956
>Then he loses them one by one - Asuka goes insane and is a bitch,

No, Asuka goes catatonic and is missing or in a hospital. Here Asuka is wide awake. What is so hard to understand?

>>90502382
They're not arbitrary, they're sequential and match up.

Don't be an idiot. Even the staff knows what's up: >>90500238

>>90502343
>Proof is that WILLE doesn't know Kaworu.

Mari does. Kaworu says the collar was made for him originally.

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>>90502414
my sides are gone

>all these butthurt NGE fags still trying to shit on a good movie

Christ, you spergs.

>>90502447
It's all in the ellipsis.

>>90502479
Yet you do not know who produced the collar, or whether or not Mari is playing secret spy as usual.

Youre also ignoring the most important point, Kaworu's obviously lack of action in the movie we see.

>>90502259
The irony is that even though he criticizes Shinji for his inability to change and let go of the past, it turns out Kaworu can't either. He's exactly like Shinji in that aspect, even with the memories of the previous loops still intact in his mind.

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>this thread

Holy shit, it wasn't like this when 3.0 came out. Where did all the haters come from?

>>90502609
...and so I don't take any criticism of Shinji's apparent "inability to change" seriously - it's more the other factors than his "inability to change".

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So can someone explain to me the difference between Rei Q and any other Rei? Seems like the same shit, to me.

>>90502667
Go samefag somewhere else.

3.0 was instantly shat on moron.

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>>90500606
There was plenty fanservice.
Look at Shikinami's design. Two new plusguits and cat ears for doujins and otaku to drool over. She's still miffed about Shinji for 14 fucking years she hasn't forgotten, and goes out of her way to retrieve him at the end of the movie. Otaku see that as ample ship fuel when you see the doujins created. Mari's existence as her lesbian partner artists like to fanwank. Boobs shaking in plugsuits even though they never did that before. Rei Q being a literal doll that cares for Shinji for reasons unknown, will do anything he wants, is a retarded waifu worse than poka Rei. Misato still has a soft spot for Shinji as though he was one of those feel-good protagonists.
And curse of Eva, keeping the pilots young and ripe for otaku.
Then of course all the fujoshi fanservice already mentioned that was much more overt. The whole thing was specially made to they could market it to otaku/fujoshi easily once again.

>itt
one autist retard failing to defend 3.0 and the idiots that reply to him

>>90502667
Oh man, 3.0 was crapped on as soon as we had the general outline.
People hate the movie here.
and rightly so, one of the few tings I agree with /a/ on.
it really is a bad movie

>>90502677
Rei = Rei
Rei Q = Not Rei

Most simple explanation you'll ever get.

>>90502667
3.0 was always shat on. You must have missed the godawful generals.

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>>90502677

Rei Ayanami = Old and busted
Rei Q = New hotness

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This is now a pirate Asuka thread. Dedicated to the fact that everything meaningful in 3.33 is already in 23 and 24 of NGE.

>>90502667
3.0 has always been considered terrible. It's about damn time the tone on Rebuild changed and people saw it for the shit it is.

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>>90502840

>>90502791
>>90502730
>>90502685
see >>90502713

>>90502677
You aren't very perceptive.

>>90502867
2.22 was good though. It's just 3.33 that drops the ball so hard it can't be picked up again.

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>>90502872
That was me being wry.

>>90502701
>Two new plusguits and cat ears for doujins and otaku to drool over.

That are exploited in the Eva women's clothing line.

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>>90502921

>>90502667

It got popular. Stupid people watched it. The same shit that happens to every anime on /a/.

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>>90502946

>>90502867
1.0 - Straight up rehash
2.0 - Fresh new events and characterization not present in the original with a killer ending
3.0 - Not so fresh events and zero characterization, rehashes the ending of 2.0 except with Kaworu

Watching 2.0 made me believe 3.0 would be great, and made me wonder how they would top 2.0. They didn't.

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>>90503025

>>90502987
>2.0 - Fresh new events

Cooking fights? That's the only new element.

>3.0 - Not so fresh events and zero characterization,

Misato breaking out and forming her own organization isn't a new event but Rei learning how to cook is?

>>90502479
Mari never mentions him by name or seems to know him. Plus no one knows who actually made the collar or anything about it. He doesn't even try to talk to Asuka and explain the situation when Shinji is busting his balls trying to convince her to back off. He only talks internally to Shinji as though he has no idea who anyone is. He hardly does anything in the film.

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>>90502987
>2.0 - Fresh new events and characterization

Like what? Fucking Mari that came out of nowhere and served no purpose in the movie? Oh, you must mean loads of fanservice like dining scene or Asuka cooking.

>>90503059

BUT M-MUH POKA POKA

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>>90502924
And otaku love it too. It's just more ridiculous pandering.

What if...
Okay, bear with me...
but...
okay now...
what if Kaworu was...
are you with me still?
What if Kaworu was
just as clueless
as Shinji?

>>90503059
>Misato breaking out and forming her own organization isn't a new event but Rei learning how to cook is?

Don't you see how deep is Rei's culinary skills? Far more important than the existence of Wille!

>>90503059
The impact, introduction of new NERV bases, characters changing differently, etc...

>Misato breaking out and forming her own organization isn't a new event but Rei learning how to cook is?
It's not an event that was in the movie, who knows how WILLE got started. Misato is a captain of a battleship, but is WILLE steered by someone else? Who knows.

>>90503075
It was fresh and new, even if it wasn't quite there. Tell me, how fresh and new is Mari in 3.0? Exactly.

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>>90503149

>>90503177
He's possibly worse, since he knows a lot of things but can't do anything.

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