Neither Fate/Stay Night or Fate/Zero are shonen.

>>88848931
>This is what Type-Moonfags actually believe

>>88849186
Define shonen.

>>88849264
Flashy battle scenes.

Is mostly like what he's going to say, and that's fucking retarded.

>>88849302
>implying the Fate franchise would be even half as large if it had no battle scenes

And Type-Moonfags = Raildexfags.

>>88849264
Anything containing Nurutu shit:
Powerlevels, tryhard edginess, silly clothes, silly dialogue, trying to hard to make characters cool, takes itself seriously despite how dumb it is, etc.
The works.

>He thinks that shonen is a genre and not a demography

>>88849522
Except for silly dialogue there's nothing like that in F/SN
Also it's too gory/lewd/disturbing to be a shounen

>>88849619
>silly clothes
You have to admit that there's this one. Takeuchi's clothes are atrocious.

>>88849522
No, shonen is something that runs in a shonen manga magazine.

Fate/Stay Night is an eroge, and F/Z is an LN. Neither are shonen.

>>88849684
I don't mind admitting, but I can't think of any instance. Closest one is Archer, but it's tame enough to be stylish

I know that it's summer and you guys and bored, but try not to reply to troll threads.

>>88849605
>Hiding behind semantics

>>88849619
>Except for silly dialogue there's nothing like that in F/SN
Are you blind? Look at the OP's image.
It's one of the many cringeworthy speeches in F/SN. Don't get me started on Tsukihime.

>too gory/lewd/disturbing to be a shounen
>Implying teenagers don't dig that shit

Is it just me or is nearly everyone in this thread talking about the semantics of shounen and its definition rather than what OP thinks it means, i.e. the elements, some of which stated in this post >>88849522, which most people associate with shounen anime? So in the end, OP may be wrong about it being a shounen, but perhaps may still have a point?

>>88849880
You're the blind one, I said there ARE silly dialogues in there
>Implying teenagers don't dig that shit
It doesn't matter whether they dig it or not, it's not targeted at them, so it's not shounen by definition

>>88849918
He's already proven himself to be retarded with his definition of shonen, so why bother pursuing the argument further?

>>88849732
>I don't mind admitting, but I can't think of any instance.
This is what happens when you read too much chuunishit.

>>88849988
>accepting international phone calls
Haha no

>>88850028
How about bringing up an argument, huh? How about that?

>>88849619
>there's nothing like that in F/SN
>Powerlevels, tryhard edginess, silly clothes, silly dialogue, trying to hard to make characters cool, takes itself seriously despite how dumb it is, etc.
HOW ABOUT EVERYTHING?

>>88850182
I may be wrong, bring up an instance of each

>>88849980
Retarded people can still say true things. He may have a point aside from the obviously irrelevant shounen one. Attack what he really means and not his mistake. Basics of logic and argumentation.

>>88849522
As expected, the words of a fucking retard. Shonen is a demographic, and nothing else. You can have that (which is highly subjective anyway) in a seinen, josei or shojo. It's meaningless to say it's shonen as if it could describe the work in any way.

>>88849918
Yotsuba is shonen. It's not really some nuance about the meaning or a slight correction, it's just plain wrong.

And everything else are buzzwords (autistic, chuuni, edgy,...) or things that are just opinions (silly clothes and dialogues).

Power-levels is the only thing he has said that has some meaning, but it's not inherently bad and everything depends on how it's done. F/S relies on the characters more than the fights so it's not that relevant. And I don't think the differences in character's power is handled badly

>>88849969
>It doesn't matter whether they dig it or not, it's not targeted at them, so it's not shounen by definition
Yet again hiding behind semantics.
Teenagers LOVE that shit. They ARE the main audience.

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>every shounen is Naruto

>>88850318
It doesn't matter whether they dig it or not, it's not targeted at them, so it's not shounen by definition

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>>88850243
Seriously, do I really need to?

>>88850318
Dude, you should probably just drop it at this point. If you see >>88850425, he just doesn't understand that the definition of shounen as a demographic is not important here. As a final note: so what if it's not shounen? OP may have a point here even if the target demographic is elderly women. The question is do you see it and can you attack that instead?

>>88850318
It's an eroge. It's not aimed at underaged teens, the main audience is probably between 18-30 which is actually seinen.

Besides, no one is hiding behind anything because you really haven't come up with any relevant flaw. Spouting buzzwords is not going to give you any point.

The only thing close to a criticism you said is that it takes itself really seriously, that's true. No one will say it's a masterpiece or anything, it's just entertaining to read/watch/play/whatever.

IRC is out in force today.

>>88850631
Depends on whether or not you want to prove me wrong

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Report blatent IRC threads.

>>88850358
>Every chuuni powerlevels battle shounen is like Naruto
Yes.

>>88850631
Yes, you do, you dipshit.
If you make a claim and have no facts to back it up, your argument is null.

ITT: IRC baiting hard.

>>88850736
I can actually agree with this. It just depends on if they veil it thickly enough to fool /a/.

>>88850725
The group you are refering to only cares about currently airing shows that they don't like for their autist reasons. This is just a normal troll.

>>88850675
>It's an eroge. It's not aimed at underaged teens, the main audience is probably between 18-30 which is actually seinen.
I think I'm gonna have a stroke from all this delusion.

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>>88850755
SERIOUSLY, IT'S GODDAMNED TYPE-MOON, I CAN'T BELIEVE PEOPLE AS DELUDED AS YOU EXISTS.

Some chuunishit is good. Naruto is bad chuunishit.

>>88850876
>>88851004
NO YOU

>>88850876
I'm just talking about the intended audience. The VNs of F/S, since they feature explicit scenes, cannot be played by underaged teens legally.

That doesn't mean it's more mature, which is the path you are taking in your poor attempt at trolling. Gantz is seinen but I wouldn't be surprised if most of it's core fanbase was underaged.

>>88851007
>Chuunishit I like is good
>Chuunishit I don't like is bad

>>88851004
>>88850631
>I want to create a discussion without bringing up any points to discuss
Be careful, someone might even think you could be trying to troll people.

>>88851150
The opposite can be true as well... for a masochist.

>>88851150
Exactly. I have good taste, everything I like is good.

>>88851150
That's how it generally works though. It's just a matter of having enough decency to admit that your point comes from your tastes, and not from what you think is universal truth

>>88851088
>The VNs of F/S, since they feature explicit scenes, cannot be played by underaged teens legally.
That's like saying teenagers don't watch porn because they're underaged.

>>88851298
Yeah, but you're generally saying that porn is as good as cartoons because teenagers like them

>>88851298
Read the post you mongoloid.

>>88851298
>I'm just talking about the intended audience
>Gantz is seinen but I wouldn't be surprised if most of it's core fanbase was underaged.

Naruto isn't chuunishit, it's just aimed to kids.

Pretty much the only actual chuunibyo in F/SN are Shinji, Kariya, and arguably also Waver.

>>88852263
Kerry is the chuuniest