>>87344321 (OP)
>Why didn't they let Shogo stop it?

Because terrorism. And shit can't change overnight. Basically, people are the problem.

Akane is too lawful neutral.

>How can Akane support a system
Best rewatch the finale.

You need to calm down and let it sink in, it's not every day that you see something written by the master, Urobochi.

Still mad that Kagari died.

>>87344418

2Spooky4Boogie

Sibyl in power: haipaa ootsu
Sibyl removed from power: no haipaa ootsu

For the millionth time, Akane recognized that Sybil is, for now, a necessary evil to uphold a mostly harmonic society. If Shogo had his way... well, the riots should have given you a taste of what had happened. On top of that, Shogo wasn't right in any way, he was a murderous, cruel, self-righteous fuck who thought he was 2deep4life because he read some books.

Also Yayoi could be completely removed without even affecting the plot

>>87344321 (OP)
>How can Akane support a system that was repeatedly and intentionally shown by the writers how flawed it was?
Because she saw what anarchy was like. The system is bad, and highly flawed, but people are currently dependent on it. She's biding her time to wait for a chance to destroy it later, but for now its a necessary evil.

>>87344321 (OP)
Because Shogo was an edgy retard who didn't know shit and destroying Sybil outright would simply create a new shitty system, people who follow shitty leaders usually end up sinking in deeper shit than what they were in. At least Sybil actually does protect most people from violence. Akane trusts the people to overthrow Sybil themselves in the future, and does her part for that to happen.

It was a pretty realistic ending and choice, perfectly in synch with the general tone of the show.

She doesn't, but she also knows that declaring herself to be Sibyl's enemy to its face is a good way to get Destroy Decomposered by Kasei, and even if she could do something without being killed (such as conveniently not preventing Shogo from infecting the oats), she knows that will just cause helmet riots all over again (and probably even worse).

Would the show have been better if it had stopped with Makishima getting taken out the first time?

>>87344535
This.

It would be disastrous to destroy the system outright, but it also has some good sides, and the most beneficial thing to do is to work for small changes and reforms for the better.

Akane, for instance, started advising her newbie to treat Enforcers as people.

By the way, Shinsekai Yori had the exact same message.

>>87344539
Yayoi and Shion could've been combined into one character and nothing would've changed

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Every single time we have a good character. Every single fucking time.

>>87344539
>>87344677

Psst, they're saving Yayoi's terrorist friends and Shion's backstory for season 2.

>>87344677
It would destroy Shion's lesbian character so Yayoi was absolutely necessary.

>>87344699

>generic wise-through-age dad character #198492790
>good character

I always wondered how was the rest of the world looking at this whole social experiment they had going on. Did I miss something when they explain this?

>>87344747
Japan blockaded itself tighter than North Korea, no one from the outside knows what's going on inside.

>>87344747

Nope, all we know is that enough countries are so fucked that opening Japan's borders would result in a flood of refugees.

On a side note, Gino's devastated face as his dad is about to die was one of the best-drawn and moving expressions I've ever seen in anime.

>>87344535
Shogo was a pretentious hipster whose dialogue mostly consisted of namedropping famous books and authors, but he was damned entertaining.

Which I suppose is more sad than anything else that there were few other compelling characters in the series.

>>87344737
He wasn't original but he was still a good character.

>>87344785

The renegade cop (I'm terrible with names) is leaving the country at the end, I'm fairly sure the world knows what's going on, Just like we know bits and pieces about North Korea in real life.

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>>87344535

>being this afraid of change

There can be no revolution without blood. You "peaceful revolution" types truly are delusional. Shogo's way was the only way to a free society.

I bet you're not American, hate freedom, and don't even own a gun.

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>>87344811
>he sees your penis

>>87344851
He's from a good archetype.

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>>87344699

>that scene

;_;7 RIP in piece old man.

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for me, it just felt that changed their mind at the last second and though the series could sell well enough another season

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>mfw Shogo gets caught through posting on 4chan

almost dropped it right then and there

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>>87344884

First off you're right on two out of three accusations. Second, don't expect a Murrican sentiment in a Japanese show. Reform being better than revolution is a fairly Japanese thing, see also: Shinsekai Yori for the other recent example. Third, stop baiting.

>>87344943

The sales ARE pretty good though. Way above average.

>>87344847
Shogo was an utterly shitty human being but yeah he was entertaining. Sometimes villains make the show after all.

Generally shows whose characters form a core group always end up having a small number interesting characters vs a host of less interesting characters. Same thing happened in GiTS SAC.

>>87344644
Honestly, the way Shogo came back at all almost felt like bullshit to me.

Suddenly a new enemy appears, whose existence had very little hints until the episode before (Kasei also dropped a couple in episode 13 I will admit), who does next to nothing to advance the plot other than killing off a main character to give edgy faggots the SUFFERING they wanted, fucks up and causes the main villain to go free, and then does very little for the final few episodes while the main villain causes more SUFFERING.

>>87345169

Shogo was all about manipulating all the other latent criminals into action.

>>87345169
>other than killing off a main character
One of the few good ones at that.

>>87344884
Most revolutions end poorly. America was very lucky.

>>87345200
Which he doesn't even do for the final six episodes, he just goes free because a Sibyl brain was dumb enough to let slip that they were in transit and not in a secure room in the MWPSB, and tries to infect the oats.

>>87345312
The hyper oats plot came out of left field and felt more silly than anything.

>>87345090

>utterly shitty human being

>tries to save his society from a tyrannical system
>uplifts the weak and downtrodden
>gives the rejects of society a chance to make their own decisions
>shows the people their more human, repressed side
>fought to make the truth public, fought to free his people

>utterly shitty human being

Everyone he killed deserved to die. Name one person he killed directly who didn't deserve to die.
You can't.
Shogo was the real good guy.

>>87345415
>Name one person he killed directly who didn't deserve to die
Yuki.

>>87345415
Shogo gave Maaya Sakamoto the means to butcher her lesbian school friends. You can't justify that.

>>87344884
America's revolution was shit.
The stuff you should be proud of is the later constitution.

>>87345312
The whole Shogo escapes from the plane episodes were badly handled both in story and execution (remember the QUALITY), I think they'd do it much better if they had the occasion.
The whole thing was set up nicely, Sybil even camouflaged the fact that they were on a plane, the fact that it wanted to convince Shogo and not force him made sense, but Shogo's actual escape was pretty bad and funny.

Hyper Oats didn't bother me, though it'd be better if they were mentioned before maybe. The coming out of the blue was what took people off-guard.

I never understood why Akane was so soft on Makishima shogo.

The enforcer had it right all along. Akane "justice" was too soft for the likes of Makishima Shogo. You needed old fashioned justice.

The enforcer did 99% of the work. He slashed makishima so he couldn't get away, and even if he did, he would most likely die of his wounds.

Akane didn't do shit except "muh morality"

>>87344993
Why aren't you proud of us?

>>87345577
>The Enforcer
That's Kougami "Nipples" Shinya for you.

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>>87345562

>>87345539
It probably didn't help that everyone in that school had a severe case of mental retardation though.

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>>87345415
He killed Masaoka, who practically had him in custody and then had to sacrifice himself for Gino because Makishima threw a pipe bomb at him with a free hand.

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>>87345624
The inhuman terror they faced daily had its effects.

>>87345525

Shogo didn't kill Yuki. Akane killed Yuki through her indecisiveness, impotence, and muh morality.

Shogo was just the hand that slit her throat, like a machine he's not accountable for it, the real killer was Akane.

>>87344321 (OP)
>Why didn't they let Shogo stop it?
Ok, If you have been watching the series properly, in the last few episodes Kogami was talking with the professor about the implication of what would happen if SYBIL goes down. The society they live in relied too much on the system to the point that Sybil provides and absolute (100%) life(or sexual) partner and career placement for them.

The system itself controls most if not all of the major factors of human physiological needs. It guarantees or provides most of the levels of Maslow's hierarchy of needs to the citizenry. Letting Shogo take it down will only result in to having their society plunge into chaos.

>>87345636

Masaoka was going to stop Shogo from the fruition of his plans.

>"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin

Thus Masaoka gave up his right to live, and is justifiably killed.

>>87345715
I never quite understood that scene.

Evidently Akane has no problems LETHAL ELIMINATAHing the fuck out of Shogo, but bullets are apparently a different story.

>>87345832

And through vhaos people grow stronger

>>87345849

Did you even watch the show. The whole point was that when you kill someone with the Dominator, you're not judging them, the gun is. So all you do is shoot when the gun tells you to.

When you have an actual gun, the power of life and death resides in your hands, not through the System. That's why she wasn't able to shoot. She can't think except through Sibyl.

That's why Shogo should have won.

>>87345893
Tell that to those African girls who get raped by child soldiers and their AK-47s.

I liked that ending.
SMASH THE MACHINES, HURRAY WE'RE FREE ending would have been way too easy.

>>87345946

Niggers are a different story though. Niggers will always nig.

>>87345936
>So all you do is shoot when the gun tells you to
Isn't that judging them?

SHOGO WAS RIGHT

>>87346022
No, that's enforcing the judgement.

>>87344884
>Living in totalitarian police state
>still believes he lives in a free society
>Americans

>>87346022
>>87346043
guns responded to sybil system judgement.

one thing is sybil system saying you can do it, another is you yourself deciding you can do it.

>>87345936
>>87346022
Director didn't lie when she explained why the dominators don't shoot on their own.
They're enforcing the judgement, but they can choose to disagree with it and not pull the trigger.

>>87346052
Pretty sure that post was parody.

>>87345946

Chaos cares only for those who sre strong. Shogo eould had to prove that through chaos he can prosper.

>Dominator takes at least 10 seconds to judge Crime Coefficient, and transform into a useable state with safety unlocked before it can fire
>even when it fires it requires a charge-up of light

shit gun/10

Even an average crook can shoot an entire MWPSB team in the span of ten seconds, with just a normal revolver or rifle or shotgun

The Dominator is complete and utter shit.

>>87346190
>Dominator takes at least 10 seconds to judge Crime Coefficient, and transform into a useable state with safety unlocked before it can fire
Most of it was for dramatic effect. It takes little amount of time to transform into LE mode and shoot, DD takes more time to charge.
After the gun ID'd Akane in ep1 it scanned targets instantly.

>Even an average crook can shoot an entire MWPSB team in the span of ten seconds, with just a normal revolver or rifle or shotgun
Good thing no average crook is ever going to get his hands on such a weapon.

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>>87344884
>America
>Free

>>87346190
You know, if it's possible to create firearms not much larger than a handgun containing enough destructive force to vaporize decent sized holes into mechs, what exactly are the actual military forces in Psycho-Pass like?

Psycho-pass is a prime example of why every citizen should own a gun.

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>>87346052
We need a Shogo to take down the incoming dystopian police state here in America.
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/january/ngi_012609
http://rt.com/usa/fbi-recognition-system-ngi-640/

>>87346303
>all dat wire running through the air
PRESENT DAY!
PRESENT TIMEEEEEE!
AH-HAHAHAHAHA

Seriously though, why?

>>87346190
This is no-guns jupan we're talking about.

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> mfw Psycho Pass is an anime they will talk about 10 years from now.

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>>87346335

>>87345832
>>87345893

Part 2:

Also, it is stated in the story that most professions have vanished like farming since Sybil presumably controls and regulates the production and cultivation of HYPA OATS.

Professor also mentioned in one of the episodes that experts(presumably those with PhD's) have been shunned by the Sybil system and was rendered obsolete by the new society since career placement is handled by the system and placing people on jobs based on their Psychological profile and aptitude. We can safely presume that mastery of certain fields comes in the form of OJT and most of the people living on that society only takes GED courses and Sybil would decide where to place them. Once Sybil goes down, people would be clue less and would lead to further decline of education in all levels.

International Relations is also handled by the system. That is why on their simulation, they have tackled the problem of refugees trying to get in Japan since it was stated that they are most stable country in existence during that time frame. Once the system goes down, Japan would lose all of its diplomatic power since there is no one capable or experienced in creating and handling foreign relationships.

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>mfw haters claim everyone forgot about the series
>mfw threads pop up every now and then and 99% of them aren't bad at all
Don't know about that 10 years stuff but I sure will remember it. Most good series that didn't become exploding successes tend to be forgotten after all those years anyway.

I liked it.

>>87346379
All of the power poles are on the left side of the street, so all that wiring in the air is connecting the houses on the right side of the street. Not entirely sure why, but guessing that it uses less overall wiring than power poles on both sides.

>>87344321 (OP)
>How can Akane support a system that was repeatedly and intentionally shown by the writers how flawed it was?
I don't know, how do you support your government?

>>87346379
he he he

>>87346619
Hm, that makes sense.
Why not lay it through the earth? It's what most countries seem to do, and I wager it would be safer for a region of the world as filled with with catastrophic occurrences as the US.

>>87346612
YOU SICK FUCK!
You don't just come here on MY /a/ and spout such phrases!

>>87346719
Money, underground lines cost about ten times as much as above ground lines

>>87344884
>America
>Free
Give us back our bees, faggots.

Why was better than Gargantia at least.

What everyone seems to forget is just how TERRIBLE Shogo was at selling his message.
Things Shogo did:
*Murder a lot of people.
Things Sybil did:
*Be a cynical cunt
*Lie
*Try to protect people and give them guidance

Hmm... who would a teenager rather believe?
>>87347002
Fair enough.

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>>87344884
>Government supports flying drones over you so they can spy on you 24/7
>"Freedom"

He was never trying to "sell his message." He did everything for his own reasons, and would have succeeded if Kogami wasn't such a stubborn fool.

>>87347146
He was good at selling it to other decadent people like himself though to be fair.

But the Inspectors and Enforcers would of course have none of that.

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>>87347271

Which gives Akane even less reason to rebel.

>>87347338
>He was good at selling it to other decadent people like himself though to be fair.
Indeed. People who were at a disadvantage due to the system's rules, to be short.

>But the Inspectors and Enforcers would of course have none of that.
Which I found rather understandable.
The only thing Sybil has going against them is being decidely unpleasant, from Akane's PoV.
I know it's a dangerous thing to say, but I consider P-P fairly "mature" because of this. Not because of the gore, the violence or the depressing world, but because it doesn't go all chuuni power fantasy but because it portrays characters who are allowed to accept the system instead of having to play "hero".

>>87347486
>but because
*and because, sorry.

>>87347486
>People who were at a disadvantage due to the system's rules, to be short.

Well I... wouldn't call the rich robot president a disadvantaged person. Oryou neither

I agree with the spoilered part. In a way Akane and Shinya both do play heroes, but in 2 separate directions and one has to face severe repercussions for it (barely escapes with his life and is forced to leave his country, also has murdered someone), the other has to work with the system and not share her knowledge with anyone, and do her best little by little and resist against Sybil in a slow way that's not guaranteed to work. I'd say that in real life not every hero does very loud and noticeable things and makes everything OK in a day anyway.

>>87347486
You might be one of the few people who got what mature really means.

>>87347783
rich robot president and Oroyu were crazy, Crazy people are a piece of cake to manipulate, if you know their mindset that is.
From experience I know that you can make narcissistic people do literally anything if you just praise them.
for crazy people you just find out what crazy logic they have and base your request on that.
example: You should do [action] because it's the way God wants it.
When they even want to kill its even simpler, Lawyer btw

>>87346363
People like you are the reason why we need killer robots.

>>87348115
Yeah they were crazy, that's why I said decadent people. Other than them Shogo's other willing supporters weren't much more than some faggots wanting to raise hell for the sake of it (the guys he killed with his martial arts for example), not one of them had shown a shred of intelligence.

I hate character with that "the law's the law" attitude. Same reason I despised Suzaku who enabled all the Britannian brutality even though he knew it was wrong.

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>>87347086
Gargantia isn't finished yet.

>>87348226
Weren't those the people who the system had decided weren't suitable for good jobs and therefore saw themselves disadvantaged by the system?
Could be wrong but I'm not going to rewatch this

>>87348281
You mean Gino? We all hated him at first for that, but he changed.

>>87348386
There were those people too but they weren't the ones directly helping Shogo, IIRC. They appeared during the riots to brutalize their former classmates they were jelly of, that was really their only objective and had no ideological background or anything.

>>87348428
no that was Suzaku's attitude through most of the show. "Yeah I know Britannia engages in mass slaughter of countless innocent civilians, but I'm gonna stay on their side cuz the law is the law/might makes right"

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>>87348281
If you can't beat the law, join it.

>>87346632

I don't.

>>87348557
You don't pay taxes?

>Wanting Shogo to win

Do you not realize that guy was like supposed to be the epitome of a pretentious fuck. Sure he was fun to watch but he's not someone you're supposed to say "oh yeah, that guy totally knows what's what"

Kogami even said that he was just a butthurt fag who was just mad that he couldn't fit in (I'm summarizing)

>>87348281
>I hate character with that "the law's the law" attitude
Are you talking about Gino? You know his whole character arc was growing out of that and being more like his dad

Forget it all. What I can't get over is how nobody seems to realize that the show went a lot under the "I CAN'T LET YOU BECOME A MURDERER ;_;" thing despite the fact that Shinya EXPLODED A GUY RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER IN THE GOD DAMN FIRST EPISODE.

He was already a "murderer", he was just going to kill another criminal and she was as aware as him, if not more since he was being moved by revenge, that Shogo was more of a criminal than the other guys he had killed, despite not being labeled as so by the system. If the other common folk had to be killed for being criminals, he had as well, despite if "killing for revenge" was wrong or not.

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>>87348605
Kogami rekking Shogo was absolutely delightful to watch. There was also this scene.

>>87348597

I pay them but I don't want to.

>>87348631
Shinya wasn't really a murderer. As in, he never made the decision to kill himself, and he had no personal feelings to decide on the fate of his target. Accepting Sybil as a good system, you could also say that he did it for the good of all.

With Shogo, it was completely personal and he decided to kill him all by himself, he made a free choice.

>"Are you afraid of dying even after gaining the perception of God?"

THIS WAS OBJECTIVELY THE BEST SCENE

HOW CAN ONE MAN BE SO BASED