that's nice

>Anime is becoming to repetitive, says man who made five different super robot anime.

Maybe they should just go milking the fans that aren't into late-night anime, like they used to.

>>86566289 (OP)
>he no longer watches much TV anime
But that won't stop him from talking about how bad it is!

Muh shonen! Muh giant robo!

It's funny, if you reverse nationalities. The grass is always greener.

>Berserk (TV) : Series Composition, Script
And he thinks he has the right to criticize?

Is the implying anime pre-EVA and late-night is on par with American and Euro cinema?

>this thread again
Anime was never good. People who compare anime to films should kill themselves.

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Why didn't you stop it?

Do they know what "innovaton"means?

Anime is not dying, japanese otakus have shit taste and they just want their stupid waifu wars on everything.

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Dai Sato, scriptwriter of Ghost in the Shell: SAC, Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo
http://www.otaku2.com/articleView.php?item=679
>When I see anime today, I realize that we have no pride left.
Sato was upset with the lack of respect for stories in Japan. He pointed out that “Ergo Proxy had DVD box sets around the world, but not in Japan.
Anime has become a “super establishment system,” where nothing can be changed. And the system is moving towards the model of Akihabara – the importance of characters, images, merchandise.. As Sato sees it: “Manga is the last hold out. If that is lost, there will be no more anime.”
He feels anime will die out in Japan over the next few decades

>>86566488
>>86566638
Shhhhh... you're making too much sense

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>inb4 400 replies

>>86567107
THIS guy is somewhat right though. Anime don't have good stories anymore. Barely. 1-2 per season at best.

>“Manga is the last hold out. If that is lost, there will be no more anime.”
And he's right about this too.
Otherwise he's a faggot

>>86567003
>bakemonogatari
>bad

>>86567090
Frankly, modern Hollywood isn't better. Many auteur directors complained about Hollywood in 60s and 70s. Nowadays they would kill themselves after watching all these shitty blockbusters.

>>86567170
>You
>Triple digit IQ

>copy of a copy of a copy

We be simulacra up in here.

>>86567090
>implying the oldfag directors and writers can top Anno with their limited view
To get anime going again, you need something mainstream that is relatable to the current sociological state of Japan. Those retards can't write anything for this and we will be in the current state for years. Something that is a mecha or a shouned but has social commentary on their declining birthrates and the economic catch-up of China and S.Korea. But no lets bitch about moe instread of trying.

>>86567256
>me
>not trips

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>>86567107
>Sato was upset with the lack of respect for stories in Japan.
>write scripts for pic related and Tekken: Blood Vengeance

Lel, what a faggot.

>>86567107
Anime has almost died multiple time. I have followed the industry for decades, and there have been shows that have saved and breathed life back into the industry before.

Though this may seem the darkest we've ever had we simply need a savior; we must wait for another chosen. Ko'lora Shari

>>86567169
Most anime never had good stories. Episodic, monster of the week, filler-laden bullshit dominated anime storytelling in the past. All these disillusioned industryshits are doing is nostalgiafagging just as bad as any random anonymous retard on 4chan does for DBZ and the Beboop dub.

>>86567339
Well, at least I tried

>>86567303
but, but muh moral superiority!

>>86567351
>Though this may seem the darkest we've ever had
Just to be sure, this is supposed to be sarcasm, right? Economically anime now is way better than the 93/94 when it was supposed to die.

>>86567256
>you
>being this much of an idiot
Explain to me how, objectively, kyoani has destroyed the industry.If you can bring up market trends brought on by their series I will believe you. Or are you just throwing opinions around?

It's all Korea's fault.

>>86567449
I am talking to the teenagers who never experienced that. Not many people on /a/ realize Evangelion saved the industry and made anime was it is today.

>>86567456
>Falls for a troll image
>Doesn't even have the grace to bow out

Truly summer has arrived

>>86567456
He was just pointing out how stupid it is to answer seriously to a joke image.

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>>86567303
Wait, I know what we need. I saw this post a few days ago. (see pic)

We need to send Digital Age /a/non to Japan. He can save the industry.

>>86567617
>not realizing that I know it is a joke image and am arguing for the sake of argument
Summer never left

>>86567667
Sounds like live-action.

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>>86567003
>AKB and GuP screenshots
Great laugh did I have

>>86567730
Needs more Rotoscope

>>86567667
That sounds fucking horrible though

>>86567667
That doesn't sound very good.

You had me until the Vidya shit.

>>86567667
I'd watch the fuck out of that, sounds awesome.

I hope you guys know shit like this was made to piss off /m/ and not specifically /a/. It's also sourceless and leads to an /m/ blog with more shit like this. About the only one that matters is the one for Macross.

>>86567756
>>86567770
>>86567784
And there you have it. Controversy, what we need to save the industry.

>>86566289 (OP)
Where's the original source of this?

>>86567667
Wow that's actually pretty good. We come up with a lot of trash ideas and shitty joke ideas but that would be cool to watch.

>>86567833
It's not even original, all it does is replace the music in Legend of Black Heaven to videogames.

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Toshio Suzuki, chief producer and president of Studio Ghibli.
>"Honestly, I don't watch much anime. I think there are not many good ones... do I sound like a snob? Sometimes I will take a look at one or two, but they are not so good, so....... it's unfortunate that by the end of January, 78 episodes of animation were shown in Japan; last year there were 192 OAV titles, of which half were really series. I think there are about 9000 animators in Japan - how did all this anime get made? The answer is that only about 10% were made wholly in Japan. This outsourcing is not necessarily a good situation. If it continues, Japan will lose animators and I worry for the future.
>There are fewer youths today who want to be in the industry. There are 2 reasons - that the number of titles leads to lower budgets and lower pay; and more seriously, while they may want to *watch* anime, they don't want to *make* it.

>>86567833
If people on /a/ disagreeing about whether something was good or not was enough to save the industry, anime would never have to worry ever fucking again.

Also >>86567974
>all it does is replace the music in Legend of Black Heaven to videogames
This

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Yutaka Yamamoto, former KyoAni director, on the state of the anime industry:
>Nowadays, good animation doesn't good sales, most otakus barely even notice good animation quality, only sakuga fags happy to see animation
>For example, Denno Coil and Birdy: Decode sale fail to live up to sakuga fags's hype, compare to Bakemonogatari and Railgun win the Otaku market.
>Your anime is always going to end up on Youtube. We're reaching the end of being able to sell home video. We're probably going to back to toy-funded business models of past: give anime away, try to sell toys.
>The lack of originality and the desire for exclusivity by the fandom has created a highly transparent industry. Mr Yamamoto affirms that the creators and the fans are “too close.” This is the biggest reason behind the isolation of the anime industry. The creators feel too obligated to please their fans, and the fans naturally expect the creators of anime to cater to them specifically, as opposed to society at large. This negative feedback loop simply exacerbates the problem over time, and now we have an industry that has boxed itself into a dead end.

>>86567667
That sounds like blues brothers

>>86568060
>The creators feel too obligated to please their fans
Well, at least nobody will ever accuse Yamakan of doing this.

>>86568043
>LoBH
>popular and overdone
Very few series go that route, at least this hasn't been done in the past decade.

But we just had Madoka! The most original anime of all time!

What about this?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-05-27/japan-ruling-party-to-reintroduce-child-pornography-law-revision

>>86568166
Madoka is the evangelion of anime.

Only three posts in foolz recommending watching Yasuo Otsuka's Joy in Motion. Shame on you.

http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/57390011/#57390240
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/69197908/#69198728
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/79418802/#79418917

For insighful views on the industry:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2009-09-14/yoshiyuki-tomino-press-conference/2
http://2chan.us/wordpress/2009/07/11/mamoru-oshii-toshio-suzuki-ponyo-vs-sky-crawlers/
http://www.otaku2.com/?p=679

Here's an idea, why doesn't anime take a something from the playbook of American dramas. Make the characters behave in a realistic way, give them more depth, make them dynamic. Drop the yuri and the moe, and replace it with genuine interactions. Draw characters with realistic proportions and appearances. Make something based on real life events, or at least something that could really happen. Write a story about soldiers in the SDF, or even American forces in Japan. It doesn't matter, just make something serious and original!

>>86568170
I'm okay with this. This is how laws work in civilized countries. I doubt loli will be banned. Not in Japan.

>>86567508
But muh moe killing the industry!

>>86568366
Just watch live-action films.

>>86568366
So basically, you want anime that nobody will watch, instead of anime that only a small handful of people watch.

>>86566289 (OP)
>If you continue to make a copy of a copy of a copy, eventually the image degrades to nothing.

Evangelion is a story of repetition.

>>86567974
>LoBH
>popular
We haven't had something done like this in the last decade. if we're gonna have a cycle, might as well make it a longer one.

Besides, a general plot synopsis does not an anime make. if we are going to do something as basic as what /a/non wrote than many plots that are vastly different sound similar.

>>86568366
Why even bother making it anime?

So he's the opposite of most people here?

I couldn't give a flying fuck, it doesn't ruin my Hidamari time

What is Imagawa doing with George. Did George give him a handjob?

>>86568366
They should animate the Gate novels.

>>86568366
So watch western entertainment?

>>86568445
>Besides, a general plot synopsis does not an anime make.
And yet people say that all anime are generic and repetitive based solely on general synopses of their plots.

>>86568434
I'm just saying, make it more accessible to a wider audience.

>>86568512
Most anime have a completely different setting yet end up reusing the exact same tropes for the entire show.

>>86568366
>why doesn't anime take a something from the playbook of American dramas
A lot of American dramas are just as bad as the repetitive moe shit that comes out of anime; like most mediums of entertainment, the vast majority of it is shit--this is true for both Anime and American TV.

>Draw characters with realistic proportions and appearances
Yeah, because Aku no hana was such a success.

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>>86568442
>Here's an idea, why doesn't anime take a something from the playbook of American dramas

No.

>Write a story about soldiers in the SDF, or even American forces in Japan.
Done

>just make something serious and original!
They do every fucking season.

>>86568534
But making anime into the same boring crap as live action shit means that people who hate live action shit won't watch it AND people who hate anime won't watch it.

>>86568484
Maybe they should do something new instead of wanting the old days back. I don't need another GiTS or the 101st "war is bad" anime. I will watch moeshit and harems till those retards do something actually original that isn't a close of 80s things.

>>86568496
Which Gate novel would you be referring to?

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>>86568608
Evangelion

>>86568126
Totally, Yamakan fucking hates the fans! Fuck moeshit!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIn5gwmGIM0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SmEK9TdtRA

Oh wait.

>>86568657
Web novels for Maximum YAMATO DAMASHII

>>86568657
The source material of Gate - Jietai Kare no Chi nite, Kaku Tatakeri. It's YAMATO DAMASHI as fuck.

>>86568712
He learned from his mistakes. He now knows that he shouldn't pander to an extremely specific group because that doesn't generate enough income for the industry as a whole.

>>86568357
>http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2009-09-14/yoshiyuki-tomino-press-conference/2
I don't want to give china anime money.

>>86568716
Hmm, that actually sounds really interesting.

>>86568793
>He now knows that he shouldn't pander to an extremely specific group because that doesn't generate enough income for the industry as a whole.
But every anime he has directed has had the same target audience.

>>86568496
Gate would make a much better live action series than an anime, but I don't know if Japan really goes in for the high budget special effects SF TV shows like America does.

People really care about anime that much? There are so many great films out there, why limit yourself only to anime? It's pretty stupid. I like good anime, but I don't really care about the state of the industry. I mean, there are like 12 films from Cannes 2013 alone that I want to see.

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Saying anime is dead is like saying painting is dead. You can't really kill it it just go through different ages of good and bad shows, and the latest age always being the worst.

So enjoy these threads all you want but for now everyone who agrees is as crazy as pic related.

>>86568992
>there are like 12 films from Cannes 2013 alone that I want to see.
Then go.

ufotable just needs to animate heaven's feel into a at least 50 episode anime and the industry will be saved.

>>86568992
You like anime but you don't care about state of its industry?

So you don't mind repetitive moeshit with shallow characters, overused jokes and bad writing?

>>86568992
Leave /a/ then, faggot. You might as well get a girlfriend, go to strip-clubs and get married. Why all this delusional 2D after all?

Anime is shit
Anime fans are shit
Most anime adaptions are shit
Anime studios are shit

Manga is way better

>>86568992
We're talking about anime because this is the fucking anime board you faggot.

>>86569164
Type-Moonfags confirmed to be >>86569098

>>86569124
Why? I'm saying that watching only anime is pretty stupid. Because this is the reason why people complain about the industry, right?

Anime is indeed shit but isn't that the biggest appeal of it?

Who the fuck watches anime for deep themes and thought-provoking plots?

>>86569224
Guaranteed replies.

>>86569249
I don't watch it for shit like Naruto and Yuri Yuri either.

>>86569180
Yes. Anime isn't my only hobby, so I don't care about it that much.

>>86568609
How is it boring crap to make romance in anime seem real?

And by real I mean: Couples break up.

>>86569249
Evangelion fans

>>86569249
>Who the fuck watches anime for deep themes and thought-provoking plots?
Teenagers

>>86569315
Nice boat.jpg

>>86567667
Unfortunately, this kind of plot can't be turned into a moe (all childish girl cast) anime.

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>yfw Aku no Hana will save anime once and for all from all these mindless plebeian moeshit

>>86569315
People do not watch cartoons because they want reality. If you can draw anything you can imagine, and all you do is make something that you could have gone out and found in the real world, then you shouldn't have wasted your time drawing it in the first place.

>>86569396
But aku no hana is a deconstruction of moe

>>86569249

Deep themes and thought-provoking plots aren't necessarily. You can have a good story without either.

>>86568992
>I mean, there are like 12 films from Cannes 2013 alone that I want to see
Why do you watch gay liberal shit. I'd rather marathon LoGH again than watch those. Only good Cannes movies are by mudslimes and asians. Too bad the actors aren't white like the characters in my anime.

>>86569435
It's the first step for the demoefication of the industry

>>86569249
I agree. I love series the crappier they are. I'm currently watching Dragon Crisis and loving every second. My favourites include Maken-ki and Fight Ippatsu! Juuden-chan

I like pretty much everything, though. The only thing I really hate is the UBW movie.

>>86569406
>people don't watch cartoons
>cartoons

You're an idiot and on the wrong board.

Also, there's something in anime called story and writing. Anime is supposed to be somewhat immersive and that's why it's fiction. Because we can immerse in that fictional world.

>>86567351
>Anime has almost died multiple time.
Japanese animation survived the Kanto earthquake and World War II, so I think it can survive moe.

>>86569528
But anime technically its cartoon

>>86569396
Aku no Hana is fairly standard drama which takes itself way too seriously and is loved by trolls. The manga is also far better.

>>86569528
I think you're in a fictional world.

>>86569489
Inside Llewyn Davis, Nebraska, A Touch of Sin, The Past, Venus in Fur and The Missing Picture are gay and liberal? How?

>>86569528
Anime are cartoons. Deal with it weeaboo.

>>86569555
>Moe
>Not worse then WWII

Check yerself son.

>>86569528
Anime is cartoons whether you like it or not. Anime is simply a term for Japanese cartoons. Get over yourself and stop making inferences that aren't there.

>>86569644
Free is worse than both world wars.

>>86569618
Oh so story doesn't matter to you? You don't care if there's some realism?

So if in K-ON, they drank poison instead of tea, it wouldn't matter right? It's like you said, realism doesn't matter.

Actually, you're right. Let's take this further. Anime shouldn't have human looking characters. They should be humanoid reptiles.

>>86569717
>They should be humanoid reptiles.
I would watch it.

>>86569582
>>86569643
>>86569651
Anime is animated cartoon.

Cartoon is not animated. That's the correct definition. You guys are probably Americans, right?

>>86569717
What are on about?
>It's like you said, realism doesn't matter.
I never said that.

>>86569814
Well that's what the convo was about and if you weren't the anon I previously replied to, why even bother to enter the debate. Since you used the word "fictional" I rightly assumed that you were of the opposite position.

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>>86569717
>They should be humanoid reptiles
Wait, they aren't?

>>86569528
Anime is a form of cartoon. It just happens to be cartoons from a specific nation.

Think of it like scotch or champagne. Scotch is a type of whiskey, and champagne is a type of wine. However, in order to actual be scotch or champagne, it must come from specific area (scotch from Scotland, champagne from Champagne-Ardenne, France)

Don't get me wrong, the guy is an idiot. However, step off the high horse. Anime are cartoons.

>muh good original anime
Like "Free!", right? Pretty damn original. Not original, but unusual.

Fuck KyoAnus. First moe, now fushit.

>>86569717

internal consistency isn't realism you moron

>>86569098
That's a very loose analogy which proffers no argumentative substance. Yes, a painting is still a valid form even if it is copied over and over since the meaning could shift into the act of copying as opposed to the original portrait's meaning. An anime cannot undergo this process and it loses its meaning each clone and becomes stale to the viewers. I don't think a person who holds criticism of anime can be labeled as crazy, in fact its a healthy sign. I'm agreeing with your views that there is a cyclic fashion to the quality shows and that the latest age can be ill perceived as the worst. This does not mean I can't entertain the possibility that the overall quality of shows has gone south.

>>86569787
What the hell? Are you retarded or something? Or do you mean comics? Cartoons are animated.

>>86570051
It's just some retard doing a
>I'm going to use a definition for a word that was outdated before I was even born and then claim that everyone who uses that word for what it now means is wrong, and then try to insult America.
It's some epic trolling, I gotta say. He is truly a master of the ruse.

>>86569787
>You guys are probably Americans, right?
Stop that. Just because he's retarded doesn't mean we all are.

>>86569596
Sometimes too much junk food is not healthy anon. Besides, the realistic art style and animation along with droning ambient gives it a certain kind of atmosphere that is rarely captured in anime. The plot so far may seem standard but it fits perfectly with the style they are going now making it more engaging to watch.

It's the best example for a show that is more grounded but still exhibit anime attributes here and there. I think it's the right way to go and experiment rather than remain stagnant with how the industry is right now.

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>>86567003
>top middle is GUP 2012
>bottom middle 2, 90s
good job bro

>>86570051
>>86570191
Retards can't into definition. I surely hope English isn't the only language you know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon

>>86569906
>Oh look I googled some term and now I'm using it for the first time

How much a retard can you be? I was talking about external consistency.

>>86570357
>Because of the stylistic similarities between comic strips and early animated movies, "cartoon" came to refer to animation, and the word "cartoon" is currently used to refer to both animated cartoons and gag cartoons.
Yeah, you sure showed us, didn't you?

>>86570283
>still not getting it

>>86570191
Well that turned out to be a pretty accurate prediction.

>>86570357
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon#Animation

>>86567003
Fuck you, I liked Card Captor Sakura when I watched it as a kid .

who the hell watches only anime? How can you have any opinion about it without a comparison?

>>86570283
>thinking anime was actually made in the 1980s

>>86570403
>>86570488

There's no citation for that dumbass. Look at the top defintion. That's what cartoon means.

Just when I thought yanks couldn't get any more retarded. Congratulations you outdid yourself. Oh please No ! Don't call cyber bullying hotline on me, I don't want to get arrested by the cyber police.

>>86570283
Top left is AKB0048, and the right is Ixion Saga. All three of those are from episodes that aired around the end of March. That is the joke. Anime wasn't actually invented in 1980. Moe wasn't invented in 2007. KyoAni did not invent moe.

Any questions?

>>86568076
Blues Brothers is a wonderful plot for a movie, though

>>86570191
>outdated
>what's a dictionnary?

>: a preparatory design, drawing, or painting (as for a fresco)

>a drawing intended as satire, caricature, or humor <a political cartoon>
> a ludicrously simplistic, unrealistic, or one-dimensional portrayal or version <the film's villain is an entertaining cartoon>

The correct term is "animated cartoon". The word "cartoon" on its own can't be likened to anime.

>>86570608
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cartoon
>An animated cartoon.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/cartoon
>a film using animation techniques

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>>86570671
>>86570600
>>86570430

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>>86570795

>>86570608
Why are you so obsessed with America?

Isn't the purpose of the Noitamna block to challenge genre norms and put out unique shows?

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Newsflash, anime has always been shit, and will always remain thus. It's inherent to the medium. Good anime requires a large monetary investment, creative freedom, and moreover great talent, to create, all of which the industry sorely lacks. This is simply a result of the production method being resource intensive, the market being very niched, and the people that make up that market, in turn, being, by and large, retarded degenerates. Anime can be good, even great, when, and if, things click, but it rarely ever does. By rights, it really shouldn't. At all. Ever. But there are exceptions, even if they're few and far in between.

We should support good and original anime like VVV and Aku no Hana to support the industry.

>>86570973
>Noitamna
>anmatioN
How hard is it to write Animation backwards?

>>86567667
That sounds god-awful.

>>86571090

Nigga u high?

>>86567667
It's like Space Bros, only with video games.

>>86570764
>using free dictionnary
>being this retarded

>>86570937
Most /a/tards are also Americans so I'm just drawing parallels.

>>86566289 (OP)
>He spends much more of his time watching American and European dramas-cinema which he feels has depth and substance
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

What a dumbass.

He's like those asshats who brag about only watching superior Japanese animation, but in reverse.

>>86571090
>Aku no Hana

You may have a point.

>VVV

....

If anything VVV is exactly the kind of cancerous, derivative anime that is killing the industry.

>>86571223
He may be a dumbass but at least he can correctly write in Japanese.

I can't say the same about you when it comes to proper English.

>>86571220
Most of the worst tripfags aren't Americans.
Most MAL accounts listed in such threads aren't Americans.
Nighttime /a/, hailed as the best time to lurk , was based on the ESTzone.

Chances are if you see a shitposter they're from South-East Asia, Eastern or Northern Europe, or South America.

OP here.

What the fuck happened. Why are you guys fighting over semantics?

>>86571220
>/a/tards
euro /v/ at its finest.

>>86571474
/a/ - Semantics & Shitposting

There's also not all that much to talk about. Everyone agrees that anime is shit, and getting worse, fast.

SnK will save anime.

>>86571609
>Everyone agrees that anime is shit, and getting worse, fast.
I like where anime is going.

>>86571609
You're clearly not searching well enough.

>>86571223

Breaking Bad? Firefly? House? Lost? Do you even watch television?

>>86571669
For real?

>>86571724
>Lost

>>86571724
All bad. Your point?

>>86571724
>Breaking Bad?
Only good thing you listed
>Firefly?
Outlaw Star Live Action but worse in every regard
>House?
E.R. for the younger crowd. I bet you also like Scrubs.
>Lost?
Terrible shit

>>86571609
Anime has never been better than it is right now.

>>86571223
Nigga, you need to watch more western TV and cinema.

What do you guys think about Mahou Shouji Tai Arusu?

I think LWA couldn't beat it.

>>86571899
Sheila is mah waifu.

>>86571726
For real
I love moe, yuri, SOLs, etc. It's the only reason I watch anime.

>>86571959
I'm so glad moe and SoL is dying.

>>86572016
Not him, but you'd prefer fushit instead?

>>86572016
>moe is dying
As long as there's anime there's moe.

>>86571724
>American Idol
>16 and Pregnant
>Pawn Stars

I can play that game too

>>86571609
Anime is getting better every year. Just compare 2013 to 1993, or whatever year your favorite MANime came out.

>>86572048
Did I say that?
I'm just glad that after almost a decade something new is going to take the stage and no it won't be any fujoshi pandering nonsense. Irony being that /a/ is gay as fuck but hates fu-pandering.

>>86572078
I mean archetypical moe characters that serve no purpose other than to be clumsy shitheads that everyone wants to waifu.

>>86572165
You forgot
>JERSEY SHORE

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>>86572240
lel

>>86572365
Is Cooking Papa subbed?

>>86572240
>something new is going to take the stage
What is?

Fucking AnimeBytes faggots won't seed the shows I need them to seed, but literally thousands of faggots will seeds shows that I don't give a fuck about.

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Nigga, dis some skunky ass copypasta.

>>86572636
http://www.otaku2.com/?p=679

What he mostly said is true though especially the ability for manga to still tell good engaging stories rather than relying on cuteness alone.

>>86572971
>teenage protagonist uses superpowers to save world

ok

>>86572971
>Sadly, he believes that fans are losing their media literacy – the ability to read narratives and stories and the meanings in the background.

Can't really blame the fans when you continuously pump out derivative shit. The older fans will leave and the newer crowd, not knowing any better, will take to the fore. The problem comes from doing nothing but complaining about it.

>>86571851
It was better when there were not so coward with lolis.

>>86573215
>The problem comes from doing nothing but complaining about it.
This. Meta discussions are always shit and not only don't serve any useful purpose, but they can be detrimental like in this case. Doing general remarks to a medium composed by extremely different and unique parts is just plain retarded.

That's why everyone hates /q/.

>>86573215
Hell it's like introducing some high-tech shit to cavemen when there is a new show that goes against the convention of recent anime. When they can't accept new ideas and methods they will forever lap shit up not knowing the potential of the medium thus rotting it to the end of times.

To be honest it's not just only the fans are in the blame in trying to keep this sickening status quo.

>>86573566
>>86573603
Yeah, it's the fans of the "good" anime's fault for not buying anything. Shame on them!

>>86573215
>he older fans will leave and the newer crowd, not knowing any better, will take to the fore.
RIP /a/.

>>86571817
>Firefly
>Bad

Lets list some more, X-files, Fringe, Doctor Who, Torchwood, Falling Skies, Walking Dead, Heroes, Red Dwarf, Battlestar Galatica...

That's just science fiction.

>>86573942
X-Files
Red Dwarf
BSG

Only good things listed and I'm not counting that as the new BSG.

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>>86573942
>Fringe
>bad

>Walking Dead
>good

>>86574022
We're not getting into a personal taste war here, because nothing either of us can do to argue against each other will convince the other that our opinion is incorrect. Lets just chalk it up to personal taste.

In terms of cinematography and certain other things we can determine a few objective points of show quality, but even then it is muddled in differenced in professional opinion by those more qualified than us to argue the points.

>>86573826
What. No one said anything similar to that.

>>86574154
Excuse me?

Guys, haven't you heard of the best anime ever made? It's vary nice and it's called PTHC. Go google it!

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>>86572971
>“No one wants to hear about NEET [the unemployed],” Sato said. “They’d rather watch a group of high school girls in a band asking, ‘How do I play this note?’” By this point, he was livid and practically spitting in disgust at these fans who “luv anime” (anime daichuki). “If we are always escaping from reality and real problems, when will we face them?”

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>>86574631
>K-ON fags are niwaka scum
Who'd of guessed?

>>86574631
Why is he so mad about a sitcom doing really well with sales?

>>86572971
>Sato praised rap and hip hop because, to him, it looks like they are still underground and people don’t sell out.

hahahahahahahahahaha.

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I'm posting without reading the thread, but I'm sure you all know that trigger is saving anime.

>>86575122
>>86571899

>>86575122
This is why nobody likes triggerfags,
Please go back to your KLK containment threads.

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>>86575122
Anime never died. People are just getting mad that stuff they don't like is outselling their shit. They tack on this honor crap like anime is supposed to be an entirely new medium that's comparable to Broadway shows but it's just tv entertainment meant to be consumed.

>>86575212
>doesn't know I*a*s*i
You fuck off.

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Seems like no matter what people will always bitch about the 'now' and hearken to 'the good old days' which don't exist anyway.

>>86575360
Please get back in your containment cell.

>>86568608
>>Write a story about soldiers in the SDF, or even American forces in Japan.
>Done
Fucking where, faggot? Other than Zipang and some minor edutainment productions, there isn't any.

Cartoon is not an accurate description of anime. Words have connotations,
and the connotation of "cartoon" is unrealistically proportioned characters,
usually talking animals objects or something, usually aimed at children.
If someone asked me "what are you watching?" and I answered "a cartoon"
and they had to guess what I was watching, they would probably guess something
like bugs bunny or similar. If it was revealed that I was watching Jin-Roh,
the answer should seem an ineffective way of communicating what you're
watching. 95% of "cartoons" are aimed at children. You have the modern
day exceptions of comedy shows for adults like family guy and the simpsons
and also weird shit they do in russia and where ever, but aside from that, in
the west, using the word cartoon to describe japanese animation doesn't
make much sense. Let's break this down further. Special effects generated
for a movie like, say, the matrix reloaded, fall under the idea known as
"animation". They are computer generated animation sequences. Yet,
nobody in their right mind would call the sequence a "cartoon", even though
its animation. Why not? Because the word "cartoon" has a stronge
connotation carried with it. A power point presentation can have tween
animations of text or symbols or something, but we don't really call those
cartoons. We'd just call it an animation. Once again, why? Because
"cartoon" has always meant, unrealistically proportioned characatures
of animals or people doing silly things to humorous effect. In this sense
the simpsons and the like can easily been called "cartoons for adults", etc.
However anime is much more diverse in its expression and style. It can depict
super realistic characters with serious dramatic themes and settings and
animation that does not warp or distort proportions. Crayon shin chan can
be called a cartoon and that makes sense. Do you see the difference here?
Anime is not explicitly "cartoon", since its so diverse.

>>86572365
Yotsuba°C, please leave.

>>86566289 (OP)
> If you continue to make a copy of a copy of a copy, eventually the image degrades to nothing.

I thought that the japanese folk were a bit better with modern technology...

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>>86575811
That pasta tastes like shit.

>>86567003
>ComicSans

sorry, your argument is invalid

>>86575983
Perhaps, but go ahead and make a logical point against it. you can't

>>86576062
cartoons are also diverse

>>86571405
>implying eastern and western europe have vastly different time zones

dude, 1h difference is nothing

>>86576148
Not in the sense I'm speaking of. Show me a "cartoon" without talking animals and isn't aimed at children. Animation =/= cartoon, this is obvious, so that means the word cartoon is a subcategory of animation, and that it has a unique quality that separates itself from the idea "animation" in general, since special effects sequences are also "animation" and nobody calls those cartoons. So go ahead.

>>86576368
El Super Beasto
Archer
Dethklok
Venture Bros

>>86575927
>I thought that the japanese folk were a bit better with modern technology...
No. That's a Western misconception. Japan hangs onto tradition for tradition's sake. They still use fax machines, for fuck's sake:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/06/29/japan-automation-nation.html

And all the high-technology companies (Sony, Sanyo, Panasonic) are losing ground to Korea and cheap chinese junk.

>>86576466
All of those are comedy shows. The west never uses animation to tell a dramatic tale, nor are the characters or animation styles particularly realistic either, so they still fall under the idea cartoon.

Here's wiki:
While the specific definition has changed over time, modern usage refers to a typically non-realistic or semi-realistic drawing or painting intended for satire, caricature, or humor, or to the artistic style of such works.

And as I stated in the pasta, those indeed would be "cartoons for adults."

>>86576466
Also this:

While "animation" designates any style of illustrated images seen in rapid succession to give the impression of movement, the word "cartoon" is most often used in reference to TV programs and short films for children featuring anthropomorphized animals, superheroes, the adventures of child protagonists and related genres.

I wonder if they complained about the surge of Super Robot and Mecha in the 80's and 90's.

>>86567003
Really sick of this cherrypicking shit. If you look at the images that shows each anime series/OVA/films released per year, there's a very obvious trend.

If this were the case then humanity would have ended a thousand years ago.

If you don't like it, don't fucking watch it. Eventually those Animation companies will see that no one likes the shit they are putting out, and they will come to the fork in the road:
A: Shut down
B: Produce something worth a damn

Human example: Car, Train, Plane, Interstellar travel, Time Travel, Whale fucking, Evolving into flying fairies, then finally our star will explode.

>>86577031
Summer /a/ pls go