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Because it's cool to hate it.

I liked it a lot. I'm just going to be pissed if they gloss over the kids wandering through the red waste in 4.44.

why does it have a mutant colon faced emoticon?

A lot of people like it.
The people who hated it are just more vocal.

>>90363847
As is the case with most series/movies.

I enjoyed it as well.

Its a great movie.

People that are upset are mostly Reifags cause they didn't get what THEY wanted. So that equates to the movie being shit.

>>90361300 (OP)
Because it's shit.

I hated the camrip when I watched it. I rewatched it later when the BDs came out and loved it. It was actually 2deep4me the first time I guess.

Its a really good movie, people just get confused by it because it plays more like a movie than a anime OVA, and its all from shinji's point of view

Initially I was pissed but once I got used to the drastic changes I ended up enjoying it. I just hope 4.0 will answer some questions

The OST is the best one in the series so far

It changed too much, too quickly, and without explanation for the things that are different. It reset all the character development we got in the previous movies, to the point you wonder what was the point of doing it in the first place if you were just going to do this.

And no, it's not just Rei. Although I don't see why complaining about her character is suddenly wrong to do, considering she's a main character in the series. Again, what was the point of this new Rei after we got all the development of the previous movie? She's worse off than she was before and for what purpose? We see Shinji rescue her at the end of 2.0 and now that was pointless as well. Asuka honestly fares even worse. Remember when she was a really deep and interesting character in the TV series? Not here, she has one note, and that's pissed off, to the point she's borderline irrational to the viewer (because we never get enough explained, since nobody tells Shinji crap) and is now just a generic action chick. Mari, who I had hopes for, is still a pointless character with cringe-worthy dialogue. Kaworu is a homoerotic, one-dimensional plot device. Yeah, you can say he always was, but they were foreshadowing his appearance in the previous 2 movies so much I thought they were going to do more with his character. But nope. Gendo has always suffered from "just as planned" syndrome, which isn't bad. But here, it gets to the point of being ridiculous and nonsensical. Wasn't he basically boasting to Seele that his instrumentality was going to win out? Then it fails and somehow it was "all according to plan" anyway? Misato is butchered. She becomes a cold bitch to Shinji. Why? She was the one vocally cheering him on at the end of 2.0, remember? Now she hates Shinji for doing what she was cheering him to do before? We get no reason. Timeskips are a lazy, awful narrative device.

And what was the point of resetting Shinji's character? Why will nobody tell him anyway?

>>90367186
TL;DR, but

>Why will nobody tell him anyway?
Because no one fucking likes him except for Angel Jesus. Stop being dense.

should i watch the movies or the tv?

>>90367313
Both you retard.

>>90367362
let me rephrase
should i watch the movies or the tv first?

>>90367404
Production order retard. (Aka TV).

>>90367240

Why? Most of these characters were cheering him on at the end of the previous movie. Now they suddenly hate him? Why? We get no solid explanation for this. We get a timeskip and suddenly every character is treating him differently. Again, timeskips are just a lazy narrative device and an awful method of "character development". And if they do hate him, why wouldn't they still at least tell him the reason? Why wouldn't they make it clear why he shouldn't pilot again? Why wouldn't they tell him what has happened and what will happen if he does it, so that it doesn't happen.

If they hate him so much for what he can do, why not tell him not to do it so they won't have to hate him. It's almost like they're setting him up specifically so that he will do something that will make them hate him, by not telling him why and what just so it happens and they can hate him for it. It doesn't make sense and we're not given adequate information as to why people treat him so differently now.

Miscommunication is an awful and just lazy plot device for creating drama. That's all it is, shoddy writing. Stop being retarded.

>>90367707
Again, TL;DR, but

>Now they suddenly hate him?
It's been 17 years bro. That's not sudden. They hate him for almost killing all of humanity. Don't be this dense.

>>90363985
I'm a reifag and I thought it was pretty good.

The only thing I don't really like is the departure from the Super-Robots-In-A-Real-Robot setting sort of deal.

What I mean is: one of my favorite things in Evangelion was the scale fo the human effort. In the first two Rebuilds we saw fleets of Ospreys filling the sky, millions of people working together on operation Yashima, the massive complex of machinery that went into maintaining and defending Tokyo-3 with all dat bleeding edge tech and geniously engineered dakka.

The sense of scale and realism is just... gone, in 3.33, its just so off da rails that it doesn't feel like Eva. The magical floating ship flying over a desolate world and the pink Eva and all the AT-field fuckery just doesn't mesh with the established Eva setting in my mind. It's just straight super-robot now, there's no believable, semi-realistic aspect to the series. Who the fuck is funding Wille? How can they afford to build their Evas? Who's funding Nerv? Who fucking WORKS for Nerv? Just HOW fucked is the world, and if its as fucked as is implied, HOW ARE THEY OPERATING THESE MASSIVE FLEETS WITHOUT LOGISTICAL CHAINS.

It's hard to transition from the believable world of Evangelion, where the nations of the world united and pooled their dwindling resources to just barely stave off a mighty and common enemy, to 'Gurrenbusterreka 7' as a setting.

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Ruined Evangelion but looked pretty cool.

>>90361300 (OP)

>>90367822

If you're too stupid to read it, don't bother. I answered your question. And the one in the previous one as well, for that matter. If you're too retarded to read because it's too long, don't bother. Why wouldn't they tell him this so that he won't do it again? And it's still falling prey to the laziness of timeskip development, which never works well. How he almost killed all humanity is still not fully explained, certainly not to Shinji.

If the first ten minutes of 3 took place directly after the events of 2, and then the time skip happened, I would be happy.
But that combined with zoids and flying airships was no good

I didn't like it because they introduced so much new stuff at the beginning and then didn't do anything with it, they just crawled back into the Geofront and had more talking and more piano playing and shit I didn't care about.

>>90367822
To be fair, nobody wanred Shinji that it was even possible for him to start off an impact by getting pissed off hard enough. He probably didn't even think Evas did that. IF someone had WARNED the guy that he could cause an extinction event, he might of not fuckin' done it. It's hard to blame a guy for killing your family by pushing the button that said 'save your waifu press here' but was actually linked to a bomb, I mean, come on.

>>90367954
I'm not reading your posts because I can tell they aren't worth reading sense you are asking really obvious questions that only take a second or two of thought to answer. "WHY DON'T THEY TREAT THE GUY THAT ALMOST KILLED ALL OF HUMANITY NICER?"

Gee, I dunno.

>>90368015
Oh no, I don't blame the guy at all. I'm just saying what happened.

>>90367822
It seemed to me that the only people who absolutely hated him were the new people, the ones who didn't know him prior to his impact.

The people who already knew him, Misato etc, seemed indifferent to the world in general.

>>90368055

Which wasn't the primary question or point of my post. Of course they would be stand offish to someone who was responsible for the world's current state. I would go into why it was bad and lazy narrative-wise with inadequate explanation, but you're not going to read it anyway.

>>90368248
The timeskip is kind of a lazy plot device, sure, but they do a good job explaining everything.

We've been through this millions of times before, and I'm not particularly in the mood.

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>>90368055
>"WHY DON'T THEY TREAT THE GUY THAT ALMOST KILLED ALL OF HUMANITY NICER?"
They're hypocrites that's why. It goes beyond hate, it's illogical in the way they try to hate him.

We still have NO concrete idea what they were trying to do with Shinji in the first place. They certainly weren't trying to win his trust or cooperation.

>>90361300 (OP)
its a movie about giant robots where there are only 10 minutes with giant robots

>>90368438
EVA is and always has been about the characters

Robots and plot are the background

>>90368381
They wanted EVA-01 not Shinji. Masato couldn't bring herself to kill him given their past. It's not hard to figure out.

>>90368481
NGE yes, not Rebuild. that's for sure.

>>90368304

It's not well explained. They tell Shinji almost nothing.

>>90361300 (OP)
becasue it's no cannon.

>>90368599
You can figure out what you need by being an omniscient third-person viewer. Stop bitching about Shinji, no they don't want to treat a guy who almost destroyed the world nicely.

>>90368481

This leads into my biggest complaint.

I agree with NGE, but how was 3.0 about the characters? Maybe Shinji, yes, but everyone else was pretty bad or one dimensional. Asuka and Rei are pale shadows of the deep characters they once were. And even though it's interesting, they basically hit the reset button on Shinji.

>>90368520
>Masato couldn't bring herself to kill him given their past.
If she couldn't bear the thought of killing him, why use a bomb collar at all. Or even tell him about it? They withheld detrimental shit like that about eva01 so he'd be loyal.
And why in hell would she feel it easier to kill him awake and conscious rather than asleep and painlessly?

Let's not forget allowing Mrs. "I'll punch you skull in" to visit. Misato knew how much Asuka hated him, and still lets her visit. Hell, fucking Ritsuko just sat there like nothing ever happened after she cracks the glass.

>>90361300 (OP)

I liked it too. This is probably what it was like when EoE was released.

I see a lot of criticism about everyone keeping Shinji in the dark, but they were explaining the situation to him when Rei attacked. They had just established a time skip and were explaining the Rei situation when they were interrupted.

>>90367186
>has one note

She has a few moments like running to Shinji's plug off screen or still trying to communicate with him rather than just order him around.

She also makes it clear she's putting on a hard edge when she says to Misato "Nobody in the world has the time to care about this anymore. Right, Colonel, Katsuragi?" It sounds more like a reminder to Misato that they need to remain focused on the situation in spite of their feelings.

>>90368678
Because she thought she'd be able to kill him if it came to that moment, but she was wrong. Are you really this stupid or are you just messing with me right now?

>wah why do they let Asuka be mean to someone they don't like!
Gee, I dunno.

>>90368643
>Stop bitching about Shinji, no they don't want to treat a guy who almost destroyed the world nicely.
By that logic they should never have let him live in the first place. This is the post apocalypse. They comprise half the world's populatoin, which is the size of city cized population living on battleships. Food is scarce, as is room. People who have no use get thrown out like parasites.

Beyond that, they treat him like a threat, and take great care in telling him this.

What's the point in keeping a man alive for sentimental values, if you don't give him a reason or desire to live?

>>90367186
>And what was the point of resetting Shinji's character?

Did I miss anything? Shinji still acts like a self-entitled brat who just wants the world to bend over his wishes.

>>90368678
Asuka probably would have attempted to punch him even if he hadn't created an impact, and if he was only gone for a month.

She likes punching things.

Given that she helped him out of the red desert even after he had disobeyed her, it's pretty clear she wasn't actually too upset about the whole thing

>>90368861
Willie isn't full of cold-blooded, utilitarian murders, but I guess that went over your head too.

>>90368774
>Gee, I dunno.
Maybe because your so hilariously retarded?

He woke up from a fucking coma. He's clearly confused. They KNOW she will only be detrimental to his situation, and they still allow her through?

>>90368643

It's not bitching about Shinji. It's bitching about awful writing. Shinji asks what's going on. Nobody tells him what happened and why he shouldn't do it again.

So of course, it happens. Miscommunication is a pretty lazy plot device for drama. Even if their irrational hatred is justified, which isn't the point, why wouldn't they tell him? What was the point of not just killing him if that's the case? If they can't bring themselves to hate him enough to not kill him, why wouldn't they also not be able to at least tell him what he did wrong so it won't happen again?

Shinji asks "What's up?", Misato tells him "You nearly triggered third impact by accident. Don't get in an Eva again, 'kay?". Shinji: "'kay". Bam. Crisis averted.

Of course, then we wouldn't have a plot or the dramatic ending. But having them not tell him just because they hate him strikes me as nothing but poor writing. This isn't not talking to someone because you are a pre schooler and somebody stole your eraser. This is an adult military commander who could potentially prevent a world ending event by taking a few seconds to give a simple explanation. I don't buy it.

>>90368948
>Willie isn't full of cold-blooded, utilitarian murders, but I guess that went over your head too
It's like you didn't watch the film. No, you definitly didn't.

They put a bomb collar around the boys neck, and didn't even give him a false pretense of it being something else. No, they say at any moment they're ready, willing, (and from how they acted, would love to) kill him.

>>90368975
I see that you are lacking some serious reading comprehension.

>They KNOW she will only be detrimental to his situation, and they still allow her through?
Detrimental to what? Being nice to Shinji? No one at Willie gives a fuck about that.

>>90369042
Yeah, and that collar ended up being a bluff they couldn't go through. Again, you're just failing to comprehend the details here.

>>90369035
>Shinji asks "What's up?", Misato tells him "You nearly triggered third impact by accident. Don't get in an Eva again, 'kay?". Shinji: "'kay". Bam. Crisis averted.

Right. Did you see the movie? You know that he didn't want to believe it even if he had been taken outside by Kaworu to see what was left of Tokyo 3? Are we talking about the same character, Shinji Ikari? You seem to not know who are you dealing with.

>>90369138

/thread

>>90367842
This x1000. Something indescribable about the movie was very off-putting to me, and I think you put a finger on it.

>>90369035
You just don't like the plot and are calling it bad writing. Given all the events, people not communicating with shinji and hating him makes perfect sense.

Everyone was driven by their emotions throughout that whole damn movie, of course they weren't going to be rational, logic beings.

>>90367842

Eva always worked because it was somewhat grounded.

3.0 was not. Even the action scenes were over the top to the point of being ridiculous.

>>90369066
>Detrimental to what?
There is in no way her visit would've positively contributed to ANY scenario that doesn't involve showing shinji their hatred of him.

>>90368975

The only one at Wille who cares about Shinji is Misato. But she wouldn't stop Asuka from venting out either.

Wille would rather have him dead if that wasn't obvious. Misato just can't man up and blow him up.

>>90369272
And why should anyone at Willie care about?

>>90369266
>Even the action scenes were over the top to the point of being ridiculous.
Yeah, EoE was pretty realistic action too.

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Because it has a shitty plot, deviates 540º from everything that happened last movie without giviing convincing explanations, and all the characters are annoying as hell.

Reminder that EoE could have been averted if someone had simply told Shinji they cared for him 24 episodes before the movie. They acted like emotionally constipated retards for 24 episodes, if they acted the same way in a few minutes in a movie, it's perfectly reasonable and ic.

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>>90369368
10/10

>>90369368
Reminder that Batman never would have happened if his parents didn't get killed

>>90369140

Yes, but if they had told him the reason it happened in the first place and so he would know the reason they don't want him to pilot again, then he would have had a good reason in his head about why it wouldn't be a good idea. Instead, he genuinely believes what he is doing is for saving the world. Yeah, Kaworu kind of messes that up by encouraging him, but if Misato had given him a reason in the beginning that would discourage him and why he shouldn't, he would have had better reason to doubt and a logical one to do so. No, I don't believe even Shinji is that dense.

>>90369337

I never used the word realistic once, did I?

>>90369368
>>90369420

Evangelion: a story of communication (and miscommunication). For God's sake, Shinji ended the world and then he realized "oh maybe people didn't hate me? Ooops." That's even more pathetic.

>>90369035
>Why wouldn't they tell him?
They were in the middle of talking to him when NERV attacked.

>adult military commander
>adult
I don't think you've got a handle on Misato's characterization at all. Even Asuka has to remind her that no one has time for his bullshit before her exit. Misato also didn't speak until Asuka left the room as I recall. For all we know, Misato is the one who insisted Shinji be kept alive and debriefed before the attack occurred. She certainly wasn't able to kill him when he was about to become an active threat, so why would she be able to kill him when he's defenseless?

>>90369312
Because someone in Willie kept him alive for a purpose. The fact that he is still breathing is proof some cares for him for some reason. Someone with poor planning on exactly what to do with him when he is alive.

>>90369285
>Misato just can't man up and blow him up.
That's better, so the lynchpin of this all boils down Misato, not Willie, keeping him alive for her own sentimental reasons, being an emotion driven commander who does things without actually planning how to go through with them? I can dig that.

She kept him alive as a pet, to be locked in a cage for people to growl at and fear.

>>90369337
I like how much weight and mass the Eva's had in that scene. The way it took like five seconds to swing a sword, just because of how TITANIC they were? Gave some fucking scale to it.

>>90369546
Well geez, what do you think the opposite of "over-the-top" is? Anyways, no. EoE had absolutely ridiculous action in it too. I don't get this complaint at all.

>>90369498

Eva characters are emotionally stunned idiots prone to miscommunication. It's always been like this. The shit they pulled is completely expected. Anyone who believes they can be honest and open and communicate like normal people never watched Eva. The only one who was frank was always Kaworu until the Dogma scene where he gets Shinji confused.

It's the same shit, 14 years in the future.

>>90369558
>Shinji ended the world and then he realized "oh maybe people didn't hate me? Ooops."
Shinji is merely the scape. If anything he was as unaware of the possibility of impact as anyone else. He's simply the center pawn, just as they all were pawns of Gendo and SEELE, and they all contributed unwittingly toward the impact.

>>90369681
Yeah, I know. I was just pointing out how dumb his claim was

>the story never would have happened if the problem was solved in the beginning

It's too late to talk smartly, my apologies.

With Asuka I saw the entire thing as she's more mad he saved Rei and not her kind of deal.

Throughout the whole movie Shinji kinda inadvertly fails to save or even really give Asuka the attention she so desperately wants. I thought it was beyond obvious when Mari told Shinji to go save the Princess and instead she had to go save him.

Asuka still likes Shinji, but his inability to recognize it pisses her off so much that she also hates him. (aka the same thing the entire series has done with them).

I think she's mostly mad in the begining because shinji keeps asking about Rei, not her.

>>90369632
>Because someone in Willie kept him alive for a purpose. The fact that he is still breathing is proof some cares for him for some reason.
Because they aren't cold blooded murders? Serious dude.

>Someone with poor planning on exactly what to do with him when he is alive.
Not going to deny that, but I don't see how this is a negative.

>>90369517

Kaworu told him he awoke the Eva, he tells him they are risking to awake the Eva again. You confuse Shinji as someone sensible who cares about other people when he only wanted to "do the right thing" to get back into Misato's good graces. He's not their priority, he's lucky they didn't kill him.

And, frankly? Wille had no time, Shinji awoke when they were in a middle of something. When they separated him, Rei Q attacked.

>>90369230

Because that's what I think it is. Of course I'm going to call it bad writing. I don't know why people would ever defend timeskips as a good plot device, but anyway. Not wanting to communicate him makes sense. Not communicating with him the situation what happened, why, and why he shouldn't do it again isn't so easy to buy. They're adults. Tell him the reason briefly, then go back to hating him after it's settled.

And Shinji was driven by his emotions and look how that turned out. They're doing the same thing, so they're not better. They're hating him for behaving in the exact same manner they are, if that's the case.

And maybe that was the entire point of the series. But again, I can't so easily buy that nobody, among all these mature, old, highly intelligent characters, would realise this and help alleviate the situation by setting aside their emotions for 5 seconds to tell him. IT's pretty hard to believe.

The whole point of these movies I thought was to give Eva a concise and deserving ending.

Instead we the characters we love IE Misato and Asuka turned into shitty little bitches, a fucking brain dead retarded Rei, now theres magic and people dont age xD

I was okay with the homolust cuz I'm into that, but Shinji acted like a colossal fuckwit and then some 2deep4u shit happens.

Fucking garbage

>>90369744

>the story never would have happened if the problem was solved in the beginning

That's exactly what the other guy was proposing. You can't explain or be open with your feelings and communicate successfully in Eva unless:

1) You're Kaworu (away from Dogma)
2) The end

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>>90369138
2.0 was only slightly better, but still pretty crappy.

>>90369748
That would be fucking stupid

She's 28, and knew him for like a month 14 years ago. Why in the FUCK would she still have feelings for him? It's a disservice to her character.

>>90369802
>They're doing the same thing, so they're not better. They're hating him for behaving in the exact same manner they are, if that's the case.
Exactly! Does that make this bad writing? No.

>They're adults.
Go watch eva again.

>But again, I can't so easily buy that nobody, among all these mature, old, highly intelligent characters, would realise this and help alleviate the situation by setting aside their emotions for 5 seconds to tell him.
Welcome to Eva. If you can't suspend your disbelief on this point, then you shouldn't be able to enjoy any of the franchise.

>>90369730

Who cares about them? In EoE, Shinji said clearly if nobody wanted him, everyone should just go die. That was his wish. He made this happen because he wrongly believed everyone hated him. He believed that because nobody except for the guy he personally was forced to kill was honest with their feelings for him. They kept sending him "mixed messages".

>>90369681

Yes, but in NGE and EoE, we get to see the character development leading to their actions. It makes it easier to believe and certainly much more interesting.

In 3.0, it's just "here's a timeskip, this is what happened and why everyone is different". Which is always a bad idea. As a viewer, you don't get to see the characters change or why they are like they are. You're just told, not shown. And being shown rather than told is a golden rule of writing.

>>90369938
Although I agree with you, it's possible Asuka only woke up recently too. Just playing devil's advocate like the cunt I am

>>90369938
I'm proponent of the restart with slightly more knowledge idea. So the way I see it, everything learned the last time around is still in their mind buried deep or something. Their relationship was always pretty important in the story, to suddenly drop it would be a disservice to the series

this shit made NO FUCKING SENSE.

the folks that made it got into some good drugs though.

>>90369938

I find it amusing that people complain about Rei being the one who was butchered. At least she has the excuse of having a clone. Asuka's character in 3.0 was an abomination.

Unless you just thought the eyepatch was cool.

>>90369748

You know Asuka knew him for a month or two 14 years ago? Asuka was mad with Shinji before he brought up Rei.

>>90370112
>I'm to retarded to follow a plotline.

Go watch SHAFT if you want to see drug-induced animation.

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>>90363985
I'm not a Reifag and thought it was shit. But I think all of Rebuild is awful.
I don't see what there is to like about the shallow characters, drama they didn't bother trying to get me to care about and non=stop pandering. Not to mention they keep forcing ina bunch of characters and doing nothing with them.

>>90370139
>Asuka's character in 3.0 was an abomination.
Why? How much screentime did she even get? Like 5 minutes?

>>90370052

Not according to Anno or Miyamura. Ogata was told to portray the only "middle-school" character in a cast full of "adults" (mentally or in body).

>>90370139
Granted this guy was buttmad over my post but I still agree with you.

I'm just trying to make sense of shit and the only way I know how, is to hold onto what I DO know about Asuka and assume that it still applies since, well she got zero development in comparison this time around.

>>90370139

The majority of the characters got shafted in Rebuild. Some aren't savable, some are.

>>90368381
>We still have NO concrete idea
everything on Q